So, I'm a Catholic, and I intend to remain Catholic.
However, I have a dilemma. On one hand, I believe that I ought to remain Catholic - at least culturally - and carry on the traditions associated with Catholicism. At the same time, I agree with Nietzschean moral precepts. I believe that Christianity is a form of slave morality. It has produced liberalism. It justifies everything for which liberals stand -- including mass immigration, anti-racialism, internationalism and the homogenization of the world, etc. The Catholic Church cares not for culture, but invites in all who are willing to fill its pews.
So, how do I reconcile my desire to remain Catholic and my belief in Nietzscheanism? If I cannot, and I suspect that I cannot, where should I turn?
Should I return to European paganism? To the Greek emphasis on nature? Catholicism is a synthesis of Christianity and European paganism, and so I find comfort in knowing that I carry with me the religious beliefs of pre-Christian Europe.
I'm going to self-bump once or twice. I know everyone is involved in e-celeb threads at the moment, but I'd really like a few opinions.
Ryder Jones
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As a Catholic, you should be intimately aware with the way the Church has changed over the past 10 centuries with regards to how scripture is interpreted: as well as how the interpretation of the religion itself has changed.
You should be intimately aware with the way that Christianity has been ultimately feminized. People seeking to return Christianity to its traditional roots are detracted as trying to preach "muscular Christianity".
You understand, as do I, that there is no hint of a slave morality in following the ideal set forth by a man that divorced himself from all things that the lemmings held dear, flogged money lenders, and respectfully, but ceaselessly, criticized hypocrisy and unrighteous behavior.
Modern Christianity is a heavily subverted, and feminized, slave morality: but that doesn't mean that the Christianity of our ancestors was one as well.
Ayden Cox
I recommend gospel of thomas
Liam Scott
Similar situation myself. Its pretty demoralizing senpai. What do?
Wyatt Flores
God bless you, user.
Jesus Christ is Lord!
Brayden Collins
Furthermore, I must admit I have not read Nietzsche for perhaps 6 or 7 years so my understanding of Nietzschean philosophy may rusty. However, I see little difference between a who, of his own accord, embraces Christian religion to liberate himself from the petty, earthly desires of the plebs and Nietzschean's overman.
To my knowledge, both philosophies preach the abandonment of current worldly understandings to transcend the limitations placed on man.
Jesus of Nazareth was not "nice". He was just, he had love for all men, but he absolutely hated evil, injustice, and undeserved worldly authority.
Modern "Christianity" which is mostly a universalist philosophy with a thin veneer of "Jeebus" on top could not be farther from what was intended.
One rejects the world, its requirements of men, as impediments on man's journey to union with God, while the other entices man to worship the church, and his own vainglorious charity, above all others.
Isaiah Long
The church/vatican is actually against you, your family and your people (assuming you're white). The church and organized religions are a tool used to control, just like the entertainment industry and politics, (((they))) call the shots.
Oh and you better not burn a church, sacrifice animals or use drums or woodwind instruments for worship or they'll send you to jail goy. Stop asking questions.
Gavin Roberts
I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will say this:
I have a degree in Classics with a focus on Greece and Egypt with specializations in Hieroglyphics and Ancient Greek.
We know absolutely nothing about the Ancients: ergo our understandings of pagan traditions are childish at best and complete fabrications at worst. The amount of knowledge that wast lost after the fall of the Roman Empire, and during the rise of Mohammedan power, is absolutely staggering.
If you want to reject Christianity entirely, I'm not going to sit here and stop you. However, at least embrace a functional ideology like Nietzschean thought and not silly reconstructionist religions put together by a few professors and laymen.
Jose Reyes
You can't self bump your own thread you stupid newfag
Jonathan Morris
we really need to remove Francis from Vatican
Nolan James
If you truly believe? Keep the faith, live the faith, and strive to be a better man. Challenge yourself fully at every opportunity: secure in the knowledge that God has given you the strength to succeed in your endeavors.
Take up fasting, spend time in prayer, and limit your sin.
While we all hope for a church that embraces such views and expects excellence from its congregation: the horrible truth is you are not likely to find such a church.
You do not *need* a church to believe in God, Christ, or his message.
Leo Howard
>So, how do I reconcile my desire to remain Catholic and my belief in Nietzscheanism?
You give up Nietzscheanism, because it's hollow and meaningless.
Luis James
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Bentley Brooks
All sandnigger lovers must die.
Adam Richardson
>I'm a catholic >Dark wizards are the leaders of my faith wew lad gas yourself
>Nietzscheanism Herein lies the problem. Nietzsche was a walking talking contradiction. He espoused self-sufficiency, strength and superiority while he himself was sick, weakly and mentally ill. The more I read about his life, the more I'm convinced he was compensating for his weaknesses and failures in his life. It was his self-defense mechanism and the protection of his ego that caused him to write his drivel. His philosophy obviously never works. People need the divine to see the marvels and beauty of life. People need community instead of the extreme end of individualism if human society is to function. Why pseudo-intellectuals idolize and put forth his ideals is anyone's guess, unless of course (((they))) have some agenda to put forward to, that's why Nietzsche often gets the spotlight in western academia.
Asher Rivera
You clearly haven't read Nietzsche in any great depth.
He clearly says that the church is the foundation of western society and by undermining the church all of western society will collapse.
If you read his genealogy of morals it may sound as if he condemning slave morality and praising the previous pagan master morality, but he is actually neutral between the two.
When he advocates for men to create their own meaning in life it is not because he does not respect the church but because he sees it as a collapsing organization, and therefore a replacement is needed to prevent nihilism.
Easton Rogers
Christianity is too cucked and gone for me so I'm looking for a local heathen group or will try to create one with our own rituals to a God and the spirits of our ancestors.
Caleb Murphy
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He vaingloriously chose the name "Francis" to appropriate the legacy of Francis of Assisi. He has said as much. He *says* he wishes to never forget the poor: while ultimately working to destroy the working class of Europe.
He's another universalist Jesuit concerned more with earthly praise than righteous action. Harming millions to save millions is not "good". Destroying one group's history, culture, and livelihood to save another is not "good".
However, to the current church: intent matters over results. He "intends" to save immigrants so even though his actions may lead to an equal amount of suffering his "intent" justifies his action. This is a disgusting perversion of faith.
Daniel Garcia
Find the Black Sun, you don't need faith, we will show how to find and commune with the architect
wow, thanks m8, looks interesting and I am watching.
I believe in the computer simulation theory and God is the operator of the software we are in.
Dominic Morris
In Wells cathedral, they sell wooden copies of decorations i assume are copies of what is inside the church. One of them is a face of leaves kek I didn't tell them that it's not 'christian'.
John Harris
B-BUT HISTORY DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE THE ROMAN EMPIRE GOY
Nathaniel White
uw start with the playlists watch ancient knowledge first, then zero point, then electric universe. Strap in brother you are going for a ride
Landon Taylor
I lol'd indeed, brother
Asher White
39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him,[d] saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Aiden Stewart
The church is coming more and more into alignment with anti-white, cultural marxism, because;
A: It is the dominant culture in Europe at the moment and they are following trends because they are stupid and human like everyone else. B: They are power hungry, controlling, bullheaded so find solace in SJW morality.
A load of commies took over the church with Vatican 2. Learn your history. Nietzche has fuck all to do with it. If a little thing like this would make you consider moving to paganism then you seriously need to rethink your priorities and ask yourself if ((((you)))) were ever truly Christian to begin with.
Thomas Clark
39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, [d] saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Who? The Romans? The Greeks? Are Southern Europeans less "European" than other Europeans? Because it sure wasn't "sandniggers" who brought christianity to all of europe. Unless you're one of those folk who think that only nords are true europeans, but in that case you sure must be happy that christianity is dying in scandinavia.
Noah Thomas
>You do not *need* a church to believe in God, Christ, or his message. Go away Martin Cuck.
Jayden Martin
Jesu fucking Christo dude. Do you believe the Nicean Creed or not? If you do, fine, you’re a Catholic. If you don’t what’s the fucking point in pretending to be one?
It’s not complicated, you’re just being a pussy about it.
Levi Jenkins
If the choice is going to a subverted Church and being completely and utterly ostracized for your views, or staying true to the faith and not going to church : what do you think someone who actually has faith should do?
-t not a protestant
Jaxson Wright
Evola is literally -- I mean literally -- the synthesis of Nietzsche, Catholicism and Paganism.
Christian James
>European paganism you mean science, knowledge and intellect? Got news for ya, we are the stupidest men have ever been, our ancestors were far more intelligent and advanced than we are. What is referred to as "Pagan" in the ancient world means knew the truth, which is why the church hunted down and destroyed them. Can't have people exposing the truth and fuck up their nice slave system now can we?
Jaxon Hughes
That’s the sort of problem you get when you belong to religion designed by committee for political reasons.
Hunter Stewart
The true Aryan religions are Hindu and Buddhism. The Vedas are right this is what Hitler discovered and why they crushed him so he couldn't expose them
The church is merely coming more into alignment with its original purpose.
David Gomez
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Jacob Lopez
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Gabriel Martinez
This. This guy right here is enlightened for sure.
Noah Smith
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Kayden Powell
Sup Forums is a pagan board.
Nathaniel Hill
You are literally — I mean literally — wrong about Evola. First of all, it was a dude, not a thing in itself. Second, he hated Christianity. Third, Catholicsm fucking is paganism: gods impregnating women, gods incarnating, gods being killed and resurrected, ritual cannibalism, holidays being calculated as “the first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox”. You don’t get more pagan than that.
Jace Flores
this nugga right here found the Black Sun
Christian Ward
So, I'm not seeing too much here. I ought to just give up the Christianity, to be frank. I see nothing in Christianity worth saving at this point.
Catholics are basically SJWs. I'm sure I could go to my Church, and find that most believe in abortion and homosexual marriage.
Jaxson Thomas
Sure. So?
Easton Stewart
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Samuel Martinez
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Carson Roberts
thunderbolts.info
(copy pasta) mine though :) They created the Torah to create a slave race of superstitious, a book telling them knowledge is evil and anyone trying to teach them anything is Pagan and evil. Lol Pagan simply means educated in the ancient world. The Romans saw what they did, and thought hey this works great a book we can give to people about a zombie space Jew that tells them to work as good slaves and pay their taxes (give unto Caesar what is his), not to pursue any wealth (easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle), and be meek and meager in this life and you will be rewarded in the next. The Bible is a way to make you a good slave, a good goy. But it also coded so the sharp can find the real answers in the bible and become part of the priestly class, who can do research and study all day in their white collar lifestyle while the dumb goy plow the fields and do the hard labor to support them. Let me explain, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 squared is 144, which is the first digital root of 9 in the Fibonacci sequence. The holy trinity is 3,6,9 where 9 is the God head. 9 is the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, the vortex. Also the mark of the beast is 666, the digital sum equals 18 the digital sum of it is 9. The atomic number of Carbon is 666, carbon is the glue of our reality we are carbon based life forms. 9 is the ether the glue. The bible is a science book of ancient knowledge of our ancestors the Atlanteans, and before you say w/e about this being silly this can be proven conclusively and I do on my channel. youtube.com/watch?v=SYGF25asipc&t=773s
Colton Carter
Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.—Leo Tolstoy
Jack Edwards
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Anthony Gutierrez
Of all the good evidence for connections between geographically distant ancient peoples, you go with “here’s a cross with circle in it”?
Eli Jenkins
Everything you do will be counted and judged.
Do not forget this, go in peace.
Jonathan Lewis
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
Bentley Bell
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Oliver Parker
lol this is one small part,this is irrefutable my friend, but as with any knowledge you have to pursue it, this shit goes deeper than you can possibly imagine. Everything you think you know is all lies from top to bottom my friend and you will never beleive the truth if someone tell you, you have to find it
Logan Wright
So what is all of this pointing towards? What is it showing us? That is what I'm not understanding.
Dylan Jenkins
You dipshit. “Pagan” literally comes from the latin word for “rustic” and your numerology is absolute dogshit. Especially in light of the fact that you slam Judaism while doing third rate gematria.
Caleb Torres
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
James Martinez
>The true Aryan religions are Hindu and Buddhism Hinduism to an extent could be argued but Buddhism absolutely not.
Yeah the Bible mentions the Nephilim and the the "Gods" of Antiquity
Connor Powell
And posterity will judge you for having destroyed their inheritance by holding onto an institution that seeks to replace you with Mongrels.
Nicholas King
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Nolan Green
Revelations 19:11 - 21:12 is a truly beautiful work.
Aaron Sanders
>First of all, it was a dude, not a thing in itself. You're being pedantic. You can use the name of the author to mean the doctrine, as you would say "in Leibniz there is a synthesis of Scholastic and Mechanistic philosophies". It's perfectly normal usage. >Second, he hated Christianity. It's common to divide an author's thought in periods, and Evola is no exception. He was more critical of Christianity in his early period (Pagan Imperialism), but in his late works and his autobiography he has a more nuanced view. >Third, Catholicsm fucking is paganism: Catholicism has many things in common with other traditions. Some are due to historical and practical reasons. You "baptize" pagan holidays and temples to convert the pagans, specially in rural areas. Others are due to the commonality of the esoteric doctrines in all authentic traditions (according to the Perennialist School).
Levi Ortiz
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Thomas Phillips
Skip the religion and just go straight to God. Have you ever asked God to show himself to you? Don't be afraid.
Austin Bennett
If you have read anything I have written, you will know that I do not attend mass.
Rejecting an untrue church is not rejecting the original faith.
Zachary Smith
>So, how do I reconcile my desire to remain Catholic and my belief in Nietzscheanism? You don't. Either you're an aryan or you worship foreign kike on a stick, make your call.
just fyi, you don't need to believe in jewish doctrines or laws to claim culturally christian heritage as yours, you're the continuation of it
Aaron Powell
Ephesians 2:1-10English Standard Version (ESV)
By Grace Through Faith 2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body[a] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.[b]
4 But[c] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them
At the top of the world stands the midnight mountain. His light is eternal. The human eye can not see him – And yet he is there. Over the midnight mountain the Black sun. The human eye can not see them – And yet it is there: inside, your light shines. The brave and the righteous are solitary; But with you is the divinity.
White sun, beaming above the world earth – You give light of the day. Black sun, shining inside us – You give the power of knowledge. -Reflecting the kingdom of Atland, Which was high at the pillar of heaven Before the sea rage devoured it. Thinking of the wise giants, Who came and taught beyond Thule.
A true Gospel presentation. Hopefully those who haven't heard watch, and those who have can share this.
Christianity and paganism are mutually exclusive, and a choice must be made between the two.
Adam Long
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Kevin Williams
You can't reconcile it. You can either choose God or Satan.
Luke Clark
there is a lot of truth in the bible if you know how to read it, it is a puzzle
Parker Barnes
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Jace Lee
Stupid fuck: I was studying this shit when you were swimming around in your dad’s balls. You could’ve gone with the similarities between mayan shit and chinese shit. You could’ve talked about cocaine and tobacco showing up in mummies. You could’ve talking about the possibility of Basque being linked to Etruscan. You could’ve gone on about linear a. How the all that olmec shit? How ‘bout calculus and the Archimedes palimpsest. Maybe the connection between cultures that build pyramids. Extra points for the similarities between the statues at Gobekli Tepe and the buried parts of the statues on Rapa Nui.
But no.
You went with the star with a circle in it.
Evan Gomez
>You should be intimately aware with the way that Christianity has been ultimately feminized. Don't need to feminize it, it was feminized from the getgo (pic related)
>To my knowledge, both philosophies preach the abandonment of current worldly understandings to transcend the limitations placed on man. Correct. But this is an inherently anti-christian view, since a core tenet of christian philosophy is divine revelation, and the rebellion against it is by definition "sin". (Hebrew word for sin is same as rebellion)
> Modern "Christianity" which is mostly a universalist philosophy with a thin veneer of "Jeebus" on top could not be farther from what was intended. Not just modern, there aren't multiple ways to interpret it. The text says what the text says, and universal brotherhood is the stated goal of christianity on planet earth.
Bentley Richardson
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Andrew Ramirez
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Samuel Walker
>You give up Nietzscheanism, because it's hollow and meaningless. Literal pleb detected
your progeny will not conquer the stars
Isaiah Gomez
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Caleb Gutierrez
>holding onto an institution that seeks to replace you with Mongrels. Desu this is their purpose, to maintain and half wit slave class of people to worship them and do the work, the goyim, the churches and Jews are on the same team
Sebastian James
top kek, excellent reply
Dylan Ward
I. Deceiving Spirits and Doctrines of Demons
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)
Jaxon Jones
>At the same time, I agree with Nietzschean moral precepts. Are you 14 years old?
Liam Bailey
Wow! You've learned so much you lost truth of everything. Tell me your highness, who is God?
Jace Richardson
In this text that describes those who have departed from the faith and given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, there are only two teachings given ("forbidding to marry" and "to abstain from foods") by which to identify the ones to whom this text applies.
The Roman Catholic Church practices both identifying marks.
Jaxson Thomas
Continuate this!
Angel Anderson
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Noah Watson
You have an IQ of 101 at best
Jace Hall
Exodus 13:21
By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.
Joseph Murphy
Christianity is simply jewish mysticism. All it teaches are jewish ideals of absolute equality, domination over nature, jewish history and myths, etc.
Europeans are contrary to christianity, and it is why christianity changed a little in two millenia. Europeans for a long time did not care about absolute equality, and legalised slavery since ancient times (e.g. as a means to pay debts). They had a profound respect for nature and what it provides. Europeans obviously have their own myths and history, whether roman, greek or nordic. Etc.
Michael Reed
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Noah Perez
half wit alert, we all believe you, you are very convincing
