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A couple of hours ago I made this thread. I asked people who shit on the various right wing "ecelebs" that get posted here to name one person who's worth listening to.

I want you to read the thread. You know how many names I got? Zero. ZERO. Oh no wait, I'm sorry. I got one. "uuuuh Hitler".

I want you to stop letting yourselves get gaslit by these people who constantly shit on the right. They may not be leftypol or JIDF or shills or anything but they're useless, paranoid schizos. They have nothing to contribute. They have nothing helpful or useful to tell you. All they can do is shit on things without offering an alternative. Ask them what they have done. Ask them how much of their time they spend attacking leftists or liberals as opposed to attacking the right. If these people really were successful or were a part of some super secret club of real right wingers, they would not be here posting "eceleb" threads.

Rely on your own intellect to decide whom you're going to listen to. Only let yourself be swayed by rational arguments and not "this guy is a jew".

This is a good reason to stop following somebody:
>this guy's argument is weak and underdeveloped because X

This is a bad reason to stop following somebody:
>this guy is ugly, just look at this picture of him

I'm not telling you to blindly follow somebody. But for God's sakes, make sure you can tell the difference between rational criticisms of the person instead of ad hominems. And if you do accept somebody's criticisms, make sure to ask for a viable alternative. If he has none, chances are he's not worth listening to.

And lastly, remember there's no shame in following someone or listening to their way of thinking. "heh kys pussy, just be an individualist such as myself :)" is not an argument. Leaders and followers have existed in humanity since the dawn of our race. Not everybody can be a leader and most people aren't.

Other urls found in this thread:

mileswmathis.com/updates.html
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html
moldbuggery.blogspot.com/
jacobitemag.com/
socialmatter.net/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

It's time a purge happens, it's long overdue.
Tell anyone trying to force an eceleb to got back to plebbit or whatever shithole they immigrated from.
Also post redpills while you are at it too, you'd be amazed at how little newfags know.

Good example, just look at the lack of content and substance behind this argument.
>go back to plebbit
Fantastic stuff.

But seriously, his abhorrent post aside, pay attention to the pic he posted, that has actual content and merit to it, AND names and quotes you can check up on yourself.

>You know how many names I got? Zero. ZERO.
Why would that surprise you? Only r9k white knights worship e-whores and send them their welfare paychecks.
'Car crash' videos are more educative than any c-celeb garbage talk.

I'm not talking about e-whores, you are. And not offering any valid criticisms of them either. For the record, I don't like them either. I think it's retarded to say
>omg western civilization is dying we must sound the horn and let everybody know
>oh no somebody called me a whore on twitter, guess i'll leave the MOVEMENT now, even though i'm making thousands of dollars per month on patreon, i'm not getting enough support
>better luck next time white bois, shouldn't have called me a whore, i'll just stay home and wait to get raped by niggers now

Bump for interest

gracias

Why are you so desperate to listen to some Jewtuber or FBI agent LARPing? Learn to think for yourself.

Thanks for the bump. This is quite entertaining, couldn't you at least make an argument that wasn't adressed in my OP? Surely a mental leviathan such as yourself who thinks for himself could do that.

You're absolutely right. The_Donald with their brainless e-celeb worship has fucking ruined this place.

Most if not all of those threads are bots.

Uh, thanks.. Guess that's one valid way to interpret my post.

Good point op. Too much of the right adopts the leftist way of thinking and sloganeering that never gets thought about before repeating it

You are probably replying to a bot as well.

Wife with a purpose.
She's real deal. I don't think she's a giant intellectual. Bit she is not larping. Six kids etc.

Hey, it's a free bump. Gotta be polite to the robotos, I don't want to get killed when they take over the world

Oh yeah, I remember finding out about her. I should subscribe or something, I see she has some good stuff, at a cursory glance.

What's your fucking problem with this "argument" thing? are you molymeme faggot?
Just fucking chill out, you will die one day and none of it will matter, dumbfuck.

Hey did you just sage my thread you low IQ faggot? Don't do that

The real red pill is to stop listing to other people and to think for yourselves. This was old Sup Forums. Podcasts and ecelebs are no different from msm tv shows. HUMANS DP NOT PARTICIPATE IN ONE SIDED FORUMS. It’s cancerous for culture and all sides are guilty

If thinking for yourself made you so smart, why weren't you able to make a post that wasn't directly addressed in my OP?

Eat shit you fucking faggot. Learn to think for yourself without some e-thot or bearded manchild regurgitating Sup Forums talking talking points to you. You brainlets belong on R*ddit.

Who cares shareblue lost. Current pol is the result. It’s not like we’re going to go out and really get sexbots, cmon. The best we can do is shit up the shill threds with truth bombs

seeThese people are like a broken record. Even if you literally tell them "inb4 muh individualism", they are simply incapable of making a different argument.

Hey faggot, I'm here now, thinking for myself and talking to people who disagree with me. How about you address what I'm saying instead of chanting your mindless, worthless mantra?

Stop attacking me for agreeing with you fuckwit. You’re response is literally a glaring reflection of your on post. You sound like a fagor eceleb/shill that doesn’t want to engage in a real conversation. Keep sucking that dick faggot

Nah, you just can't read if you think you're agreeing with me. You might as well be saying "don't read books, form your own opinion". I don't want you to think I'm on your side. You are, unfortunately, quite dumb.

What are you rambling about? E-celebs are cancer. They are fucking blatant shills fishing for money from beta-orbiters and retards who are incapable of completing basic tasks without looking them up on Google. That's the best case scenario. The more dubious ones (i.e. Spencer) strike me as blatant CIA controlled opposition.

>BUT THE ALT_RITE NEEDS LEADERS!!!!!!1

No, we don't. You cancerous retards migrated from /r/t_d are so insecure that you seek validation from a bunch of literally who's masquerading as right-wingers.

Sage.

Bump for anti-e-celeb posts, I agree that there's a lot of gaslighting going on here and that it makes the boards kind of creepy. I took a three week break from pol to kind of think without talking to others about this, and it makes me think I should leave.

Noko to piss off the sage-fags! :)

bump :^)

You are literally incapable of escaping from rigid brainlet train of thought and saying something other than "just be ur own man :)". This is quite funny to watch. I bet you're going to repeat it again in your next post too, if you make one.

You haven't disputed a thing I said. Kill yourself shill.

It's still worth it to check upon this board occasionally and throw your two cents in. At least in my opinion. Who knows, you might convince someone of something.

Literally did it in my OP my lad, even before you made your post. :^) Just knew what kind of argument retards such as yourself will make in advance, because you're so simple.

I get that you're trying to make a neutral call for rationality here but level with me for a sec, e-celebs especially girls are cancer. a big part of the reason we don't like them is because their followship are a bunch of soft losers that let pretty girls tell them what to think, and that's a problem not because the pretty girls are wrong, but because you're just a fag if you let a woman lead you when there are a multitude of men saying the same thing for years, and better.

Your broken English is pretty pathetic, Stanislav. But I honestly think you just have a low IQ.

it's also a problem because human nature is to get a big ego when people look up to you. it happens to men sometimes, and it happens to women all of the times. so the pretty lady e-celebs engaging in camwhore nationalism are getting big egos, and those of us with any real world experience at all know what a pain it is to talk to a girl with a big ego, worse than a man in some ways.

Well, I agree with you about female e-celebs and women in general. Just didn't want to make the thread about that particular topic and get sucked into another Lauren Southern debate. I figure, these people who follow them will eventually finally realize how shallow they are, that's why I intentionally didn't mention any specific names in my OP.

But I have no problem with following other personalities and hearing their thought on various issues, as long as you double check the things they're saying and don't repeat them blindly.

Hey great, so I guess we'll both walk away thinking we're smarter than each other. Good job on using an actual Bulgarian name.

This whole thread is a pile of fake shit. "The e-celeb issue" is manufactured.

You don't like my thread?

the evidence seems to indicate that Sup Forums is actually pretty divided on the issue

>Just didn't want to make the thread about that particular topic
what else then? richard spencer? is he even an e-celeb? maybe you're talking about the whole big wide world of public figures occupying dissident spaces. then I get what you mean about Sup Forums being against any one of them in every case. yeah, it's not rational in the sense that every one of the figures is wrong...

...but here's what you're forgetting, the original OG Sup Forums attitude, i'm talking old-school Sup Forums, is individualistic and contrarian if nothing else. we're the original trolls. the type of attitude that gets the president OTUS elected, then gets bored with him once he stops being controversial. because the whole point is to be controversial. once something gets popular, or reaches a consensus, like the alt right which doesn't have social acceptance but it is clearly defined, everyone (i'm talking the OG fellas) makes sure they're not seen as alt-right, even though everything they did up to that point was alt-right.

thankfully Sup Forums still retains this attitude in some places

I think you're ugly and I'm not gonna listen to you.
Also listen to Queen Nat.

This is a fucking good thread. Thank you for this OP.

Also, continual reminder that the left wants to divide us. They said as much in the ISD report about the emergent right. I would be VERY wary about the sort of people who bash "e-celebs" and women in the movement.

so I think you're not assigning enough value to the anti-authoritarian anarchistic spirit of Sup Forums. that's where a lot of this seemingly antisocial stuff is coming from. it's how certain types of strange, smart people create identity for themselves. negative attention-getting, for validation but also for comedy. step away from the psychos who actually want to make a "movement" out of anything and look at how much comedy is generated from all the shitposting inbetween.

Interest in e-celebs is almost entirely fabricated. The board is less split on the issue than you might think

then it should not only fade into irrelevance (once the shills stop posting about it), but it's harmless in the moment, because whether you like or dislike e-celebs they're irrelevant to you. so it doesn't really matter how much shilling goes on, right

I don't really like Richard Spencer, he sounds kind of effeminite to me, but I have no problem with what he's saying or doing, so I try not to shit on him. I'm intentionally trying to avoid names because I don't want to make the thread about arguing about specific ecelebs.
>the original OG Sup Forums attitude, i'm talking old-school Sup Forums, is individualistic and contrarian if nothing else
You're right about that. If I wasn't in this thread, I'd be engaging in some shitposting too. I just wanted to make a warning that will hopefully get through to some newfags and help them not get gaslit.

Ultimately, I like shitposting as much as the next guy, but I think the West and Whites really are in trouble and shitting on people who call attention to that is very destructive. If you take the shitting too seriously that is.

Think for yourself you dumb faggot

why?

...

You've got a good point, about not assigning enough value to contrarianism I mean. Ultimately, I'm just trying to pull the board slightly towards my way of thinking, I'm not going to change much, if anything.
Thank you too.
kek, I love these

Your argument only works under the premise that there’s one worth listening to.
There’s isn’t
Qed

>"Let's have a movement without leaders, followers, or any real participants at all"

It doesn't fade because every person who wants to be famous can just create some edgy persona and spam 5 threads a day about themselves. Mods don't delete them which is the biggest issue so sliders have figured out that they can just make a dozen generic pro/anti e-celeb threads and bump them by presenting a terrible argument for guarantees (you)'s

>but I have no problem with what he's saying or doing
i barely know who he is. but. a lot of people say he's controlled opposition. so hypothetically he'd ultimately be harmful to you wanting to draw attention to the west and whites. so perhaps you actually should be against him (and all other controlled opposition, e-celebrity and camwhore nationalism)?

these fools unironically reciting simplistic "think for yourself" platitudes might be on to something, in the sense that any dissident movement as extreme as what the "worst" of Sup Forums wants can't have a public leader, as necessarily he would be assassinated. so if there is a public figure representing the dissident movement, guess what...

"Controlled opposition" has become a meaningless phrase. It requires no evidence.

Why is Spencer "controlled opposition"? Because he said some nice things about Jews once? He's still far more right about issues than Trump, and you'd have to be crazy to call Trump "controlled opposition".

This debate also isn't whether we should have one supreme leader, it's whether we should have public figures at all.

I don't like being exploited for someone else's fame, but what do you propose? greater authoritarian stances from moderatorship? that's a slippery slope that's gonna hurt you down the road, and arguably hurts free speech, not of the sliders and shills but the occasional fella who actually wants to talk about it. you'd delete him too.

you have tools to avoid it. just keep scrolling.

Well, the thing is, he's not actually suggesting doing anything illegal, like controlled opposition would. He's also arming people with good counter arguments against jews and leftists, although he's not the best at it. I've seen him get bogged down arguing semantics with retards at his events multiple times. Mike the Kike Enoch has really good ways of shutting bullshit leftist arguments down.

So if these people are controlled OP, but they're not suggesting people do anything that will get them arrested and also arming them with good counter arguments against leftists, they're not very good at it. Long sentence. I mean, they're not very good at being controlled opposition.

Matt Christiansen is an "e-celeb" and I watch his videos every time I see them drop. Generally I'm against e-celebs, but not him. It helps that he's not popular, so I subconsciously feel more indie cred for being into him, but maybe it also helps that I agree with him? so it's not that I don't like public figures, I just don't like people I disagree with. which might not be a philosophically sound stance to hold. dunno.

>This debate also isn't whether we should have one supreme leader, it's whether we should have public figures at all.

How do you feel about camwhores? they're the ones I don't like.

Steven Crowder.

Styx.

Jordan Peterson.

Adam Carolla.

Dave Rubin.

There, faggot, I gave you a wide ranging list of thoughtful people to listen to. Who gives a fuck how popular said e-celeb is?

>Matt Christiansen
Thanks for the name, I'm always looking for more people to check out.
Thank you, fellow based pede

Some of you think genuine OG Sup Forums is unified in staunchly indifferent disposition to e-celebs, but I disagree. I think there is at least an equal number of people who are vocally for and against them. surely you'd at least assign a proportion of sincere Sup Forumsheads to be vocally AGAINST camwhore nationalists.

if you agree with this then you shouldn't desire to shut down discussion of the matter, as clearly it's inconclusive how to feel about it.

>people you should listen to
How about thinking for YOURSELF you dumb shill
We don't have to listen to whoever is currently called "THE LEADER OF THE ALT-RIGHT FOR REAL THIS TIME"
forcing people to subscribe to the beliefs of every e-celeb on "our side" weakens us

The only solution is greater awareness from the userbase.

this guy is a jew is an important warning

look over here goys
>opens borders
our real threat
>produces interracial porn
is the muslims
>funds NGOs helping muslims get into Europe
the white race
>communism
is a natural ally of the jew
>sinks USS liberty
together we can fight
>raises rent
these mudslimes
>israelis protest own war
the judeo christian religion
>writes Scofield bible adding passages here and there
must defeat the intolerant religion of islam
>funds islamic terrorists

"the jews" only operate at the pleasure of the catholic church in rome. the final bosses in power structure you're looking for are chinese dynasties and dragon families. they are to jews what a tank is to hotwheels.

Nobody should be FORCED to follow a leader. The problem is the endless deluge of anti-"eceleb" shill threads. If it gets much worse we will end up like infinitychan, constantly circlejerking about how bad "ecelebs" are while accomplishing absolutely nothing of value.

Just look at all these individualists saying the exact same thing in the exact same way, even though I addressed them in my OP. (which they probably didn't read because it was too long)

If you want to become stupid and mindless like them, by all means, do what they say. They literally cannot do anything besides chant their stupid mantra. This is what "thinking for yourself" will turn you into.

Jared Taylor
Sup Forums is retarded

>ctrl+f
>No results for Miles Mathis

mileswmathis.com/updates.html

You're welcome

>this guy is a jew is an important warning
Yeah, if it's 100% true and confirmed.

He's a great.

>implying I'm reading any of that shit
lolno I do as I please
Fuggin lel

bump, 100% agree and thank you for writing this out.

Keep up the good work OP.

i never thought about that because i don't watch them but it is one sided which makes it cancerous, they spam Sup Forums for patreon and merchandise money and people lap it up.
Its the great weakness of an open forum a bit like communism unless you enforce it it degrades into being the same as youtube, twitter, facebook, reddit all the platforms they currently occupy.

>No Moldbug in the entire thread

this is honestly embarassing. What happened to intellectualism? Start here: unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html

Then go here: unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html

After that, browse around here: moldbuggery.blogspot.com/

And in the mean time, keep tabs on Jacobite: jacobitemag.com/ and Social Matter: socialmatter.net/

After that? Well, if you haven't figured it out by now, you're fucked. But just in case: Become worthy, obtain power.

>9/11 truther
>Schizo mathmatics, Pi is 4?
>le "everyone is jew" meme

Are you serious right now? Why not post Francis E. Dec and Time Cube while you're at it?

Thanks for this.

Thanks

Wow nobody came in to plug their favourite eceleb? That would mean that all these eceleb vs eceleb threads are entirely astroturf

>9/11 truther
If you buy the official story you’re a bluepilled nigger, go be a dumbfuck somewhere else

Or maybe we just don't like ecelebs

I honestly want to know how the Simpsons came up with this stuff.

The fucking anti 'e-celeb' crowd are the worst on Sup Forums rather than criticising and scrutinising the people who put themselves and their opinions forwards in the right wing sphere of politics, they just encourage people to ignore them and sit having a wank in their rooms instead, they're just another cancer that's contributing to the mass migration to infinitychan.

The flaw is the idea that there are people you need to "listen to" and be "swayed by" (your words) and I think this demonstrates an underlying issue relating to our human psychology. The logical idea is to look at these people and their ideas as information of varying credibility, pieces of your perception for you to interpret and determine the value and substance of.

This association of people and ideas is illogical and prevents actual critical thinking/encourages group thing

The NRx crowd has the best handle on issues like this. They put the rest of the Right to shame.

I don't really see it as a flaw. Yeah, obviously what you're saying is 100% correct, but we're not machines, we're never going to be able to think like that. I strive to look at ideas as seperate from the people who espouse them as much as I can, but I still referred to "people" for convenience in my OP.

Just don't really see it as an issue that needs fixing. But I definitely encourage people to do this exact thing you said:
>look at these people and their ideas as information of varying credibility, pieces of your perception for you to interpret and determine the value and substance of

Another thing I want to add. Group think isn't bad in and of itself, unless you're referring to a literal hive mind. Group think is what I would consider civilization.

This is a fine principle for intellectuals or philosophers, but terrible for practical politics.

e-celeb hater here. Read news and history, form your own opinions.

Thanks, never thought of that.

So do you think Pizzagate is real too? And what about Area 51 and the HAARP project?

Long time cuckchan poster, e-celeb worship happened only during the last couple of years, before that we actually discussed shit on a deeper level.
You forget, /bant/ was created because of how poor threads have been here lately, and they still suck ass.

politics is inherently flawed. not advocating anarchism or anything though, its absolutely necessary to advance society, as far as we know at least.

Group think is certainly a important component of civilization, but it is still has a negative effect on reasoning and critical thinking.

And also, there is no way we can "fix" the way our human psychology works, we are already operating so far from our natural psychological environment, the last thing i want is to tell people what to think or take some authoritarian action in a effort to manipulate culture and humanity.

Well, it's true that the level of discourse has significantly dropped, but I wouldn't put it on "eceleb" threads entirely or even mainly. It's just the influx of new people and anti-pol trolls. Posters here certainly wouldn't sound so retarded if they were consuming more thoughtful content. As to what "good content" is, it's up to the person to decide.

It's my belief that if you listen to a retard, and then you come here (or anywhere really), regurgitate his or hers retard opinion, you'll get shit on enough, that if you're of decent intelligence, you'll drop the retard.
Good point about authoritarianism hides dangerous for the current level of humanity we're at. I've also realized how far from nature we are and I'm desperately trying to acquire more new skills related to outdoorsmanship and I go camping as often as I can.

try living in your car. i've been doing it for 3 years

Doesn't seem that tempting. Do you post on the hobo general on /out/?

i only lurk Sup Forums and Sup Forums and occasionally shitpost

go fuck yourself faggot

People don't like e-celebs because people suspect they are not being honest and just trying to get coverage, they are seen as attention whores and obnoxious, and people don't like that. Who cares about their ideas when they present them badly.

They aren't true leaders because they themselves parrot and conform to their viewer base because they are dependent on them to keep their revenue. This is a horrible set up, it promotes bias and popular appeal over debating ideas. This cycle of reinforcement makes any journalist turn to shit.

Sure, we'd like leaders but the alt-right isn't one group and much of it is attention-seeking and little debating about right-wing ideology.

Also this is Sup Forums, everyone is a faggot nigger kike shitposting from a sweatshop in Asia.

Slide thread

yep, noko