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continuation of
Lets keep watching commies get btfo

Socialism =/= Communism

Commie in the last thread got so royally BTFO lmao

So you actually had the balls. Post your shit reply so I can BTFO you kek

USSR wasn't even socialist, it was market socialism

The closest socialism ever happened was maoist china where markets were actually abolished

guess what happened, MILLION OF PEOPLE STARVED TO DEATH

Socialism clearly doesn't work.

>Post your shit reply so I can BTFO you kek
I typed it out in the last thread and you didn't reply because you're a sychophantic bootlicker that enjoys being enslaved.

Do you know how many marxists I've destroyed on this board.
I know their ideology inside and out. It's filled with contradictions.

>there is no property
I'll be taking the clothes off your back and your food then
>muh personal vs private property
nobody cares about your made up definitions

Aww now you're too afraid to post it, thought so.
>I'll be taking the clothes off your back and your food then
Personal property vs private property
>nobody cares about your made up definitions
Ok enlighten me with your definitions philistine

>Aww now you're too afraid to post it, thought so.
You were too afraid to answer it.
Oh well, I'll post one of them again just to trigger you.
Can't you just admit you're wrong?
Dialectical materialism is literally pseudoscience and you don't even accept human biological instincts as true.

Also free markets make the working class rich, socialism makes them poor.

Also getting surplus value back is impossible because the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
Take all of the capitalists wealth and it would simply cause massive inflation and shortages and people wouldn't be any better off.

You're a dumb fuck lmao

>Ok enlighten me with your definitions philistine
My definitions are what people have used since the dawn of mankind.

Why differentiate? Property is property.

Marxism is the easiest religion to troll.

Human biological instincts involve cooperation and working together to survive, not exploitation.
>Also free markets make the working class rich, socialism makes them poor.
Lol reaganomics was a disaster for this country. The working class is objectively worse off than they were before.
>the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
So the working class actually drives the consumerist economy.
>Take all of the capitalists wealth and it would simply cause massive inflation and shortages and people wouldn't be any better off.
>Take all of the worker's wealth back to them and it would simply blow up the economy
Yah that's bullshit cocksucker
>Why differentiate? Property is property.
Because there are big economically differences and implications between the two types of property dipshit.
Communism kills less than capitalism. Fact.

>Personal vs private property

So what is your car then? Personal or private property? Or anything you (or more likely, your parents) own that can't fit on your person?

lol, didn't even accurately address one of his points, commies really are retarded

Depends on how you use it. But it would probably be personal property. You don't have to be able to fit it in your pocket

The fuck are you talking about shithead

>Human biological instincts involve cooperation and working together to survive, not exploitation.
That's literally only one aspect of human biological instincts.
Humans tend to cooperate with their close friends and families and not as much with people and cultures/races they don't know.

Also TRADE is cooperation, it's win-win. That's why people do it.

Marxism itself says that humans have no biological instincts and that all human action is the result of economic forces.
This is false. This is pseudoscience.
Marx was wrong.

>Lol reaganomics was a disaster for this country.
Reaganomics wasn't even implemented, reagan barely did anything.
The REAL cause of economic stagnation in the USA is central banking and nixon getting off the gold standard in 1970 pic related

>The working class is objectively worse off than they were before.
If we had no central bank and we had deflation instead of inflation all these years, the working class would be extremely rich.

>So the working class actually drives the consumerist economy.
My point is that it's impossible to get your "surplus value" back because you already CONSUME what you PRODUCE under capitalism.
Prove me wrong you literally cannot.

>Yah that's bullshit cocksucker
AHAHAHAHA
How is it bullshit?
This is usually the thing that destroys the communist.
The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

How would giving back this "surplus value" the capitalists supposedly stole from the workers going to make the workers better off?

Will they get to buy more consumer goods?
NO, IT'S FUCKING PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, THEY'RE ALREADY CONSUMING VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM

You can't get around this.
Socialism makes no fucking sense.

>Because there are big economically differences and implications between the two types of property
So?
Only you retards define it this way.
People who do not give a fuck naturally define property as property and don't make dumb nonsense distinctions

>Communism kills less than capitalism. Fact.
No it doesn't.
Communism has killed 100 million people while capitalism(free markets) have killed zero and have raised living standards for everyone.

The people dying in africa live in countries with extremely low levels of economic freedom.

There are no famines or megadeaths in western industrialized capitalist nations.
There are in africa where they have enslaved markets and no freedom.

What if in my house I suddenly start paying some guy to produce clothing?

Does it suddenly become private property?

>lets have another thread to debate a retarded religion that failed wherever the stupid shit went viral even when supported by others because its just that retarded
waste of space on the catalog

no one gives a shit what these retards label themself as or label their versions of failure as and their flat earth tier fantasy economics conspiracies their call "theories"

>Communism kills less than capitalism. Fact.

that is a straight up lie fucking brainwashed moron

Commies actually fucking belief africa is somehow capitalist.

It's incredible how dumb they are.

>Let's argue with theorylet registered-democrat-turned-Marxist-Leninists for the 500th time to make sure they've got the script down pat

Why even bother?

That commie last thread got utterly DEVASTATED and its reallt funny that he hasnt come back (:

They really are a religion.

I understand marxism inside and out and it's hilarious watching them squirm.
I have every possible argument to counter them with.

>commies CAN NOT RESPOND

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIE TODAY

Capitalism clearly doesn't fucking work.

>MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIE TODAY
in countries with extremely low levels of capitalism

Bump.

commies already got destroyed desu

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The sudden stop in shills and commies tells me that they're afraid of these types of threads, and therefore are not responding in the hopes that it just goes away while they detract the focus to threads like "muh dikk muhfugga wiiite boi" and "is X redpilled?"

>USSR wasn't even socialist, it was market socialism
If you're referring to the post Stalin era, then yes

actually economic freedom made the things we enjoy

We live in a mixed economy with corporatism as well, this is why the economy is stagnating.

No, even under lenin.

Lenin himself had to abandon pure socialism.

Bumping again. I've taken an interest in this thread.

Bumping again.

That chart isn't really historically accurate though.

The countries that rate the highest on "economic freedom" are mostly social democracies (e.g. Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, etc) or literal police states like Singapore.

We need regulated Capitalism.
Corporatism needs to be put in check,
but it is true that Capitalism is the best
system ever created. It is the ONLY system
to ever create a surplus, that has historically
supported half the 3rd world, and propped
up the economies of over 50 nations.

>Communism has killed 100 million people while capitalism(free markets) have killed zero and have raised living standards for everyone.

>Communism kills less than capitalism. Fact.
Proofs? No? Yea no your full of shit, Oh
wait I forgot about all of those Capitalists gulags and famines.

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OP here

what do you want?

fuck communism

> I've taken an interest in the behaviour of shills and intend to study them

>t.incospicuous shill

Are you one of those lolbertarians that say everything not aligned with anarcho capitalism is communism? well sorry "socialism" as in national socialists like Hitler ?

>The countries that rate the highest on "economic freedom" are mostly social democracies (e.g. Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, etc) or literal police states like Singapore.
My point exactly.
They're the most capitalist nations.

Also Switzerland isn't a social democracy you fucking liar.
They're democratic, sure but they're much more free market than USA is.

>STOP USING ACTUAL FACTS AGAINST MY BULLSHIT
Prove me wrong then. What's wrong about my point?

Why is Zizek such a fat worthless piece of shit brainwashed by his own pure ideology?

You people seriously need to fucking die.
You're the most brainwashed cultists on the fucking planet.