This thread is mainly for the discussion of the events of Ruby Ridge and Waco, but feel free to add anything else.
>The Story of The "Siege" at Ruby Ridge according to FBI Grand Jury Testimony, US Marshals involved in the cover up, the media, and the story from the Weaver's perspective... Today, you are considered an "extremist" by the ADL and SPLC if you think the actions taken here by the Federal Government were out of hand. For the first time in US history, the FBI was given permission from cabinet members of the George HW Bush administration to change their Rules of Engagement to, "can and should shoot to kill" effectively rendering the US Constitution useless; the same thing was done under the Clinton administration in Waco, Texas with Janet Reno taking the lead and Eric Holder doing cover up. A young boy was shot in the back and killed by US Marshals, and FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi later shot and killed Vicky Weaver while she was unarmed and holding her 10 month old baby in her arms. This incident serves as an educational tool to all Americans on just how useless our coveted Constitution is to the Federal Government when you cross them.
Could the tragic events of Waco bring down the President and the Democrat machine after 20 years? Mike McNulty, producer of the Emmy Award winning, Academy Award nominated documentary Waco: Rules of Engagement, and its follow-up films, Waco, A New Revelation, and The FLIRProject, believes it could. McNulty says that the close ties between the Waco atrocity and members of the Obama administration – including Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, and powerful congressional Democrats, could unravel the administration and the entire Washington power structure.
McNulty insists that Hillary Clinton in particular was deeply involved in the Waco debacle and in the multiple cover-ups that followed, and that criminal prosecutions could be brought against her and others, “There’s no statute of limitations on murder,” says McNulty.
That’s a pretty dramatic allegation, but McNulty says that’s where the evidence leads, and no one knows the evidence of the Waco tragedy better than McNulty. He and his experts were given unprecedented access to the Waco files and evidence locker during the making of the documentaries, and they carefully catalogued what they found – including items that were incorrectly identified in the official records.
Nolan Walker
McNulty is no wild-eyed conspiracy theorist either. He was credited with debunking several claims made by earlier documentarians who distorted the evidence to fit their own anti-government agendas. McNulty and his team went to extreme lengths to verify every detail and validate each assertion they have made regarding the event, and there is much damning evidence which is totally irrefutable. Actions of the government after the violent conclusion of the Waco siege strongly suggest an organized, intentional effort to obscure and conceal the facts of the case. Failure to follow standard investigative procedures, failure to protect the scene or collect certain significant evidence, loss of important evidence, and destruction of evidence, along with multiple incidences of conflicting statements – including statements under oath – from various government officials, with no formal follow-up, resolution, or consequences, go well beyond simple incompetence and in many cases are clearly criminal. Waco - The Rules of En... Best Price: $12.40 Buy New $17.95 (as of 10:25 EST - Details)
The fact that so many of those responsible for directing the operation and its aftermath are still power-players in Washington, means that revelation of the truth of Waco could have devastating effects on the current power structure. Just the role of Obama’s close friend, Attorney General Eric Holder, in demonizing the Waco survivors, and leading the official cover-up – especially when aggregated with his more recent scandals – should end his career and the careers of several of his closest allies, and would disgrace the entire administration
Andrew Ross
Hillary Clinton’s role in the assault on the Davidian campus and its subsequent cover-up has never been fully disclosed. McNulty says that his information indicates that Mrs. Clinton was not only involved, but in command, directing the FBI’s actions from the White House, and leading the subsequent cover-up. The Texas Rangers have said that their objections to the destruction of the Waco evidence were squelched directly by the White House. Texas Governor Rick Perry would do well to sit down and have a candid conversation with those Texas Rangers and then seriously consider pursuing prosecutions.
When Clinton’s close friend and former law partner, Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster, was found dead, his widow told FBI investigators that she believed that “Foster was horrified when the Branch Davidian complex burned,” and that “Foster believed that everything was his fault.”
Somehow Mrs. Foster’s statement to the FBI has been almost totally overlooked by the media – and even by most of those insisting that his death was murder. The obvious question that never seems to have been asked is, why would Vince Foster, whose primary role in the White House was to support and protect the Clintons, feel responsible for the deaths at Waco?
Nicholas Rodriguez
At the time of Foster’s death, the FBI ordered that his office be sealed as part of their standard homicide investigation, but at least 2 boxes of files were removed from Foster’s office and taken to the residence area of the White House. Those files were never recovered, and their removal from Foster’s office was never officially investigated.
If the ghosts of Waco were to come home to roost, they would be sitting on the shoulders of some of Obama’s closest friends and allies in Washington – all of them outspoken advocates for citizen disarmament. This 20-year old atrocity could be the key to bringing down the whole house of cards.
McNulty has recently released a 20th Anniversary DVD twin-pack containing both Waco, A New Revelation, and The FLIRProject, and he’s actively searching for financial backing to make a follow-up documentary chasing down the lost evidence and exposing details of the extensive government cover-up. If he can secure the funding – and survive – McNulty believes he can finally force some accountability for the atrocity.
btw OP what do you think the endgame was for the waco + RR slaughters? Why did zog want them dead?
Ryder Jones
Very interesring stuff OP.
I was actually re-watching a couple of Waco documentaries yesterday. One interesting thing i picked up that i didnt remember was that the Federal building in OKC happened to have a ton of files related to Bill Clinton. They were transfered there not long before the bombing. All the files were destroyed and any surviving remainders were collected prior to rescue operations being allowed to commence. Question is, what was in them?
Given all the shady glow in the dark black op shit tied to McVeigh, it seems he was part of the team put together to destroy the files amd ended up either being the patsy or possibly still alive.
Joshua Campbell
The government tends to like fucking with people who separate themselves from government. They the then use the ATF, FBI, or US marshels. This is done to eliminate any possible threats they face while perpetrating their agenda.
Ryan Gray
clinton did waco
Christian Bailey
Some jap nigger shot innocents at both Waco and RR.
anther reason to hate bill maher the kike "comedian" faggot
Kevin Myers
FUCK
REEEEEEE
I HATE THESE FUCKING KIKES
FUCKING SPAWN OF SATAN
Jack Robinson
Randy weaver’s wife, Vicky had been writing letters to DC politicians ranting about racist crap. She put them on the FBI’s radar. Not saying they deserved what they got but she was kind of asking for it.
Like DWS and the Awans, the Deep State pukes never pay. Never. Kent State, Ludlow massacre, you can go back through history. They never pay.
Chase Ross
I see you studied up on Claude. His Dallas Cheerleaders in court made a joke of shooting two cops. Truly one of the most Americana stories ever.
Kevin Roberts
delete this
Austin Martinez
Looks like a Jew. Are Jews in the FBI outside of comfy desk positions?
Thomas Wright
Waco was just a case of the government being angry and they wanted the event to end
They were embarrassing law enforcement by making demands, having them granted and then they just ignored law enforcement afterward
The leader of the Waco compound gave a national sermon and then was supposed to surrender but he said nah and embarrassed the FBI, so they killed his ass
The FBI was mad and wanted shit to end so they said fuck the law and just did whatever they wanted
Austin Ward
Lets just say the Jews and Clintons goons were arming and training Fuqra. The gubberment was busting down on white patriots and at the same time arming Fuqra.
Elijah Watson
That is not a jew, my friend. That is one of you
Easton Thompson
0300 Infantry marine
Asher Gonzalez
Maybe he's Italian.
Nathan Scott
he was posing to show the 4 ammo cans on his right.
Isaiah Howard
This is when Posse comitatus ended. The Feds decided it could send military agents against civilians. Since then every time a cop wears camo or rides in an APC it is illegal. No matter what the Feds say, it's illegal.
Caleb Thompson
Asking Sup Forums today? >hurrdurr dey shulda listen to based cops you cuck. >fucking dead cuz dey stupid like niggers cops have rules ya gotta follow wtf why don't you just listen shill It's really deep discussion happening here
Gabriel Carter
I know about Waco but could someone redpill me on ruby ridge?
I read a little bit on it and essentially it sounds like a small family ran into a federal officer who then executed one of their dogs, their 16 year old son and then was shocked when the father defended himself and killed the agent
The fbi got mad and surrounded their family home and gave their people on the ground execution orders in the form of a rule of engagement edict they basically said kill anyone on sight, including dogs (which is weird to just throw in there) they shot the dad when he went to go visit the body of his son and then when he and his wife ran back into their home they blindly shot through a door and killed his wife.... despite the fact that she had nothing to do with anything and she was holding an infant
They then had the nerve to try and charge the victims with murder although they got off
They paid out like 4.3m and told the survivors to go fuck themselves.... woweowoow
Grayson White
The gummint cant have white people telling it to fuck off. Niggers can get away with it because the gummint folks know niggers are too dumb to be a threat but when white people tell the gummint to fuck off it scares the bejeesus out of them so they chimp out.
Do things make sense now?
Alexander Moore
Also, this was at the start of the "off grid" self sufficiency movement. If everyone started living independently ... Well, can't have that ...
Hudson Wilson
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Wyatt Campbell
What more must you know? The government killed them to eliminate them as a possible threat to their agenda, Randy Weaver and people like him frieghten them.
Eli Gutierrez
b u m p
Isaiah Price
that's below russia-tier
Ryder Young
Bump
Chase Smith
>The FBI was mad and wanted shit to end so they said fuck the law and just did whatever they wanted
This basically describes everyday for the US government, and probably every government.
>they just do whatever they want.
Every US president since the first Bushtraitor, has carried out a massacre on his watch, except Obama/ Obama declined to carry out a massacre at Bundy ranch, simply ordered his federal troops to go home and don't kill anyone. (they still murdered one man, but can't call one death a "massacre")
Drumph still has 3 to 7 years we'll see what he does.
Liam Kelly
So Obama was based after all?
Robert Ross
His only sin was what he did to Libya. As far as presidents go, he was better than the two Bush retards, and way better than Bill Clinton.
And technically, Trump hasn't done anything so far, in any way more conservative or better than Obama. Plus Obama did not take our guns, and he had 8 years to do it.
Now that being said, they all sucked.
Leo Reyes
>Obama declined to carry out a massacre at Bundy ranch the feds would have incurred heavy casualties the Bundy's posse was prepared for war
Jeremiah Cook
He was Hillary Clinton's cousin as well.
Aiden Ortiz
>Plus Obama did not take our guns, and he had 8 years to do it not that he didn't try to advance that cause the Sandy Hoax op was designed to do that even after the Ds lost control of Congress O tried to guilt them into passing national registration thankfully the NRA pressured key Senators into shooting that down
the 2010 midterm Senate change alone thwarted
Jayden Perry
EAD
Anthony Robinson
(((they))) cancered Bill Hicks for talking about WACO openly all the time. fuck 'em
Daniel Myers
What about that embassy in lybia?
David Morales
It would have been a massacre user. The feds train constantly (for massacres) they have remote positioned snipers, heavy armor, communications, and besides that, one APC would have mowed down the entire assembled Bundy Army like shooting ducks in a barrel.
Obama or his AG just declined to carry out a massacre, (unlike the three previous presidents who eagerly carried them out on the American people) and Obama should get credit for that.
>NAAH FUCK IT, JUST PACK UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE I DON'T WANT TO KILL A BUNCH OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS.
Said only one president, and that was Obama.
James Sullivan
>not that he didn't try to advance that cause
You could say the same about Trump with the Vegas dog and pony show. I though things would change with Trump. More like Hope and change. (but I feel safe that Trump will not take our guns for 3/7 years, but he will kill any favorable new gun freedoms we should have expected, like silencers)
Is ANY of that stuff different from what Bush, Reagan, Clinton did? And Trump is fixing to do worse, provoking Russia, sucking cock for Israel?
Luis Martin
A -- We will never know what happened at Bengasi or why, government always lies about this kind of thing.
B-- Who cares if one administration sacrifices some of it's own overpaid bureaucrats? Fuck them anyway.
C-- You will notice the ambassador they killed, was a goy. He should have known that only God's chosen people are protected. It was a message to non-jews to know their place and not aspire to high positions like ambassador.
Logan Cruz
Wow, out of the kindness of his own heart I bet
Not the fact that it would have been live streamed from a hundred angles, both inside and outside the killing field. Bad PR, m8.
Blake Morris
>Is ANY of that stuff different from what Bush, Reagan, Clinton did?
Yeah, they didn't win a Nobel Peace Prize, then continue to bomb the fuck out of 4 countries.
Aiden Turner
No. Quite a few of us were watching that shit go down irl. The gummint snipers had snipers behind them. And THAT was why they tucked tail.
Brody Adams
Waco knew about the shady shit out gov was doing especially trafficking children and went rouge. FFS, it was Hillary's cousin. He got tired of the trafficking and rape. That's why the Clintons we so adamant about taking them out. Almost got exposed.
Tyler Turner
Actually no. See Obama, Bush, Reagan, Clinton and Bush Jr. All served Globalist interests, not interests of the U.S.
All Trump has done so far is cater to U.S. interests first. Though it's funny, Trump is both provoking Russia and Doing what Russia wants but is also sucking cock for Israel while making things worse for Israel by disrupting the status quo. Which is it?
Luis Richardson
the government already payed the iron price for both of those events
Luke Brooks
I'd guess that the ambassador was reporting things about the SoS's doings to the Prez that the Prez didn't want to hear.
Hunter Allen
BDs were rescuing children being trafficked by CIA, documented local gun/drug running Also it was a satanic ritual sacrifice, check the date importance. A literal burnt offering andthe you can tell when watching video. They are careless with the scene where dozens including pregnant women died
Joshua Kelly
That is nonsense and you know it. Government controls the media and the message. It would have been broadcast as
>Heroic federal agents outmanned and outgunned in a fight for survival against dangerous terrorist mercenary army.
The would have awarded themselves medals and praised each other for their heroism , with much more powerful adjectives just imagine.
Bushes and Clinton bombed the shit out of countries, most of them on Israeli orders, like Trump. They just forgot to award them the Nobel, maybe they can give Hitler one retroactive Nobel prize.
No they didn't bro. Obama just decided to hold all fire, and go home and don't kill anyone (did kill the one. Mr. Finnicum, RIP) Just to prove that the feds still are murderous bastards.
Kevin Williams
the Feebs do prevent a lot of bad things from happening tho; amirite?
Jeremiah Young
They protect you from evil racist white nazis who would threaten your freedom by saying dangerous things online tho
Levi Baker
My dad has a copy of the WACO footage you used to be able to get by mail order in the early 90's. It's been banned for a long time.
