F/Z had
>strong female characters who weren't overly sexualized
>mature themes
>adult characters with interesting motives
>non-adult characters that weren't half bad
>good fights that didn't shy away from being brutal
What happened to Fate? Why is it all lolis and scantily clad women now?
Because Fate got better.
My nigga.
>now
First post best post.
>strong female characters who weren't overly sexualized
HA
>mature themes
No, it just had characters 10 years older than the ones in Fate/Stay Night. The themes were the fucking same, you just think they're mature because characters aren't in high school
>adult characters with interesting motives
I WANT MAGIC CUP is no an interesting motive. Since 2 people wanted the Magic Cup for the same reason (Fame) 2 people waned the Magic cup for variations of the same reason (I want to save "this girl"/I want to save "the world" and 3 of them were doing it just because they had nothing better to do
>non-adult characters that weren't half bad
You had Waver who was just you typical self insert character like Simon from Gurren Lagann.
>good fights that didn't shy away from being brutal
So did Fate.
>adult characters with interesting motives
I can guarantee that if these adult characters were replaced with teenage characters and were EXACTLY the same in every other aspect aside age, you would be calling this show shit.
Fate Zero is chuuni shit only liked by teenagers.
>mfw secondaries call Gilgamesh "Archer"
>mfw secondaries call Diarmuid "Lancer"
>mfw secondaries call Iskandar "Rider"
>mfw secondaries don't distinguish between Casters
>mfw secondaries don't distinguish between Assassins
> HA
Saber, Irisviel, Maiya, Natalia, Solia-Ui
>No, it just had characters 10 years older than the ones in Fate/Stay Night. The themes were the fucking same
Kiritsugu having to kill his mentor and father to save innocent people, Kiritsugu having to do the same to Irisviel. Kariya's suffering, Kirei's murder of Tokiomi and Aoi's brain damage, Saber's struggle with her past and Lancelot's betrayal etc.
>You had Waver who was just you typical self insert character
had better motives and character development than expected.
>So did Fate
Besides berserker battle, F/Z had Lancer v Saber battle, Berserker v Saber, Caster v Everyone, Rider v Gilgamesh
Not at all, F/Z had characters with all sorts of motives. F/SN had like evil vs good with no middle ground
Wanna know how I know you haven't read the VN?
Thread is about the anime, not the VN you mongoloid
Waver's reason to join the war was to show his meany teacher that hard work is more important than raw talent.
You can't get more generic shounen motivations than that
Fate/Zero had lancelot.
/thread.
If you think this shit is bad you probably like Naruto.
Isn't the Fate franchise based on a porn game?
I think Fate-Zero is the Macross Plus / Cowboy Bebop of the Fate franchise: a pretty unique spinoff that people who aren't fans of the series / medium found interesting.
>>strong female characters who weren't overly sexualized
Show me a F/Z woman who was basically tits on legs? You can't
Penis worms?
That's because F/Z was a sausagefest
Female Assasin
That's merit from urobuchi, and is the reason because I never put F/Z and SN in the same league
I just don't get how threads like this are still popping up in the year 2017. How do unironic Zerofags still exist?
>strong female characters
No, it has one female strong character, Saber. All the other women had no agenda of their own and were passive victims to the men's actions. I guess Kerry's teacher was another exception but her only purpose in the story was dying to give Kerry mainpain so it's not like she's a great character either.
Pretty confident the majority of people that shill F/Z are either fujo's or under the age 18.
It's a good part of the series. It's not the fucking bees knees either. Fate has always had lewd. There was rape worms in F/Z and lolis.
If you can't comprehend how deep and elegant is FSN you should just fuck off to and keep discussing your naruto shit instead of coming here just to say a line of a meaningless effort to try and take down an masterpiece of modern literature such as Fate Stay Night.
Leave the advanced discussion of subtext and symbolism to those of us who have done the requisite study to understand Fate/stay night - there are a number of intelligent responses that completely cripple your amateur analysis of Nasu's work
Nasu crafted not a game, not a "story", but a universe. It's every bit as detailed, every bit as supple and responsive as ours. It's a moving Sistine Chapel ceiling. There are thousands of themes seamlessly woven together. And like any well-designed instrument, "Fate/stay night" APPEARS to be simple.
You fucks understand that Stay Night came out first, right?
>tits on legs
So THAT'S what Sup Forums thinks of women.
>Saber
OH GOD WHY CAN'T I STOP JOBBING AND BEING BULLIED
>Irisviel
I exist to make this scenario tragic. Besides that I enjoy long periods of not doing anything and taking knives to the gut
>Maiya
A literal Cuckquen.
>Natalia
I exist to die and make Kiritsugu's life more tragic
>Solia-Ui
I'm a slut who lets my sluttiness get me killed because I fall in love with a literal magic craft doll
>Kiritsugu's story
Life sucks, I grow numb to it to the point where I get rused into thinking a magic cup can grant a wish in a way other than the one way I think it can be granted
>Kariya
Shit, I'm stuck with my cartoonishly evil family because my cartoonishly stupid sold his daughter to them. '
>Kirei
The only thing I feel is arousal to suffering
>Tokiomi and Aoi
I think I'm smart but I'm actually an idiot and shit maybe marrying a guy with no morals was a bad idea
>Saber
I tried to be too perfect and the second strongest knight in my army was a horny bastard who was only kept in check by someone I sent searching for a grail. WHAT COULD GO WRONG
>Waver
Literal Shonen Protagonist.
>Battles
Shirou vs Gil. Saber vs Gil. Any Hercules fight. Lancer vs Archer. Lancer vs Kirei. Most Medusa fights. Kirei vs Shirou HF. True Assasin vs Kirei.
What I'm seeing is that you only watched UBW anime.
The rape worms and lolis weren't sexualized though. The rape worms weren't played up for fetishists. They're plot rape worms.
So I am not the only one to think fate/zero is superior to fate/stay night (UWB)
Every character had development in F/zero and the designs were way more original.
Kotomine Kirei and gil is good in fate/stay too but the other characters are shit there.
"muh i Don't Want anyone to get killed"
Fate/zero is for seinen people and fate/stay night is like shonen
>all the other women had no agenda of their own and were passive victims to the men's actions
Sounds pretty realistic to me.
Is this a pasta?
Yeah but F/SN is inferior to F/Z
When will secondaries ever learn?
The only secondaries that exist are people who watched fate/stay night before fate/zero when they knew zero was out
they ruined Illya
>The rape worms and lolis weren't sexualized though.
>They're plot rape worms.
Nice may-mays.
>overly sexualized
Kill yourself
it was terrible
butcher is terrible
would rather read hours of nasu sex scenes than anything from him
that seems like it took a lot of work, youve earned this response from me sendpai
F/Z had a plot, the rest of the Fate series had retardation.
Sexualizing women only makes it better. If you got a problem with that, go back to the grimderp western media and take your Reddit spacing with you.
>I only like haremshit
Cuck
TRU
>implying Zero was mature
I like everything that's not
>woe is me I got muh moral dilemmas
and
>dude womyn and shitbloods are ppl too xD
zero babbies are delusional as always
>Miyu doesn't even acknowledge your existence, absolutely focused on Illya
>Illya sees you, but she doesn't think much of you. Just slight disgust and pity.
>Kuro is disappointed and thinks to herself that she's seen better
>Be king of Britain
>Rule over your subjects for many years
>Fight in many battles
>Very experienced adult
>Fall madly in love with naive Jap kid in middle school
Yes. Very good writing.
Shows are worse with women in it you literal retard.
>Be the one who created vampires
>Live for a long time
>Fight many battles
>Extremely experienced with the world
>Fall madly in love with Jap kid in high school
Tsukihime and Fate are jokes.
Re-read the post.
There is a difference between lack of women and pandering to fujoshits. FZ is the later.
>FZ
>greatest cool
>other typeshit
>no greatest cool
uhhhhhhhhhhm
fatebabs?
Team Caster was the worst part of Zero.
The recent anime adaptation of UBW seems to be the most mature and best take on this entire series.
And it's literally a shounen anime with a schoolboy protag.
No seriously, outside of the cartoonishly retarded blue haired dude, the thing is an excellent deconstruction of the typical shounen and shows how deeply broken a shounen hero would have to be to work in a semi realistic(grim derp)universe.
It had well written women of all kinds who I would also sink all nine inches into(cept for saber, she's a canon futa)
And it had the correct use of and right amount of saber. Very little and only when the plot absolutely demanded it or she had someone to fight.
>Extremely experienced with the world
arcueid is very specifically NOT this. bitch doesn't even know how to eat a burger
>copying and pasting MAL reviews
You need to go back.
>"""Mature"""
Maybe if you're twelve.
Doing what now?
If you think maturity is gore over the top violence and toned down or over the top sexuality along with ridiculously grim subject matter then you are a literal child.
Exploration of deeply held beliefs emotions reacting to things in a logical civilized manner. That is maturity.
You're confusing mature subject matter with mature thought and action.
Fuck off. Nobody is going to read your fucking cringeworthy blogposts you retarded sperg.
A friendly reminder that we could have had a decent urban fantasy story without genderbent mythological and historical figures if Nasu wasn't a hack afraid that the lack of sex and male protagonists to self-insert in would stop the otakus from buying it.
...
Wow you must be like an intellectual or something.
>what if we took a serious VN
>then, what if we took some random, unimportant side character...
>and then, what if we made her, and all her irrelevant friends lesbians
>prisma illya
a complete insult to the Fate franchise.
You did you embarassingly transparent cunt.
The fuck are you on a bout?
I know it's easy to think the grass s always greener on the other side, but Proto is pure trash. Just take FSN, genderswap some characters, add some more rules, replace swordboy with the blandest least interesting character ever and also self insert for fujoshits, and replace Kirei with some homo clown.
>an anime based on a literal porn game that people fap to is intellectual now
>calling character in way he was called in first appearance in original is wrong
Why do normalfags use "porn" to talk down to things?
both me :^)
All me.
>what if we took a serious VN
>reused most of it's characters and themes, but dumb them down a few notches
>and then filled the rest in with naruto-tier fight scenes where two people wank over their power level and special techniques until someone falls over
fate itself is an insult on type moon that killed it while it was stillborn, their first game as a real company and it's bascially tsukihime/KnK thrown into a blender and mixed with lots and made softer to appeal to generic otaku shiteater crowd to make money
Why do normalfags complain about lack of grimderp in their media?
Because grimdark shit makes them feel like mature adults.
Shirou vs black berserker was so dissapointing, just fuck it, let's have him job as fast as we can
Oh my god.
You need to be told when to think about something.
To find value in something.
Pardon the upcoming irony but,
I need you to think about that shit for a second.
>a serious VN
>no naruto tier fight scenes where people wank over their power levels and special techniques
Fatefags everyone.
We may never know. There's barely anything about Prototype except a 15 minute trailer and some vague scene outlines. We don't even know who three of the masters and two of the servants are.
And I need you to relocate yourself back to r/anime.
Do you mean a erotic tale can't be intellectual? Have you heard of the 120 days of Sodome?
Where the fuck did that Diarmuid and Seiba holding hands picture come from, I don't recall this from the anime
[Scat flashbacks]
And yet the weird thing about Fate is that the more mainstream it's become the more blatant Type-Moon's been about pandering to otaku, even though they have the leeway not to bother anymore. With FSN and Tsukihime it's like the sex scenes making up a fraction of each game were included to sell copies and they've long been been treated as a joke by the fanbase instead of being major draw. Kara no Kyoukai had none at all. Now we have loli Jack the Ripper and shit.
>Pretty confident the majority of people that shill F/Z are either fujo's or under the age 18
Fate/Zero was Fate's concept with all the bullshit stripped away. No harem antics, high school students from the same high school, or dates in the middle of a death match.
Can you just fuck off already?
Sade was an edgelord. Use something like Carmila as an example instead, it is more fitting.
>Kiritsugu
>Interesting motive
>Mature
>>>/Out/
Fate was a coming of age story of a boy and his ideals, with the HGW as a means to advance the plot. Having the main focus be the HGW is the reason all the spinoffs, including Zero, are so shit.
>already
>mark new IP just triggered
Shirou's ideals weren't the problem; Kiritsugu, Kariya, Saber, Tokiomi, all of them had something similar things going on. It's all of the other extraneous BS I mentioned that causes people to rank Zero over FSN.
Who are you quoting?
Einzbern Consultation Room, of you liked Carnival Phantasm then you would already know what it is.
>Very little and only when the plot absolutely demanded it or she had someone to fight.
that's because it's adapted from the UBW route
t. Saber
>No harem antics, high school students from the same high school, or dates in the middle of a death match.
>mature anime for mature individuals such as myself
You are the textbook definition of the Zerobaby.
F/Z had
>An entire cast full of idiots
>Edge for the sake of being edgy
>Failed in it's role as a prequel
>Half ass mature themes
they actually don't. why else do you think they hated Batman v. Superman and love the Avengers?
F/Z just didn't have fun. At all. No teenagers, no loli, no real bantz besides Waver. It was edgy for the sake of being DEEP and MATURR and only idiots fall for that shit.
If you want deep and mature why not read a fucking book?
Because it was shit?
I assume it's the underage ones who like the grimdark "mature" shit because they think it makes them more adult, which is the case for Zerofags.