Addressing the INCEL/MGTOW QUESTION

It's time we have a serious discussion about the INCELs and MGTOWs on Sup Forums. These self-proclaimed involuntarily celibate men going their own way are a burden to this board and to the larger political goals many here share.

These people do nothing but blame women and society for their shortcomings in relationships, failing to ever look inwardly at themselves and be honest about what they can do to better themselves and become more successful with the opposite sex.

They've allowed themselves to be mislead by PUAs, cherry-picked anecdotes, and their own sexual frustration.

The majority of the recent hatred being funneled towards the "e-celeb thots" comes from these people. Rather than support women who do good work spreading information to normies, they'd rather project their own insecurities onto those who do and risk subverting this movement in favor of archaic beliefs based on nothing but self-hatred and inadequacy.

The INCEL community, which at its peak was ~40k strong on reddit, has been banned, and they are now looking for other areas of the internet to spout off their ridiculous beliefs and un-channeled anger. Sup Forums is now suffering from this.

It cannot be stressed enough how important women will be for this new version of the political right to gain any ground. Feminism has run rampant for 50 years in the West and has become widely accepted by normies. Your impotent impotent online rage will not change that. This movement not having any women speaking for it makes it all the easier to dismiss not only by the MSM, but by all normies in general. Attractive women who spread the word are incredibly important for attracting normies, both men and women, to our ideas, whether you like it or not. You know how women love to follow trends. The right will never become trendy and thus accepted by the general populace if the only spokespeople we have on the internet or the real world are men, not in this day and age.

>cont.
This does not mean you should be a white-knight and kiss their feet. Rather, you should grow a pair of balls and put your delicate ego aside for the good of the many, and not the few.

I don't now what the problem is with the INCELS or MGTOW. But from my research, I can only assume most are unattractive, low-skill, socially autistic losers. It's not society's fault you're like that. It's your own fault. Because it really, really isn't that hard to get laid or to talk to women. The sooner you realize that, and begin working to fix yourself, (and also, not set your standards unrealistically high), the happier you will be.

jews

What if i just dont care about having a relationship and dont want to have children?

>It's time we have a serious discussion about the INCELs and MGTOWs on Sup Forums. These self-proclaimed involuntarily celibate men going their own way are a burden to this board and to the larger political goals many here share.
suck it up buttercup

OP is a faggot but we already knew that. No-one is "attacking women" you white knighting bitch. It's called holding literal whores accountable who are using an up and coming pro-White movement for shekels. They are actors, they are playing a part, and got rightfully called out on it and now you beta orbiters are coming out of the woodwork to defend these sluts.

Beyond SAD!

Then don't. Just don't be a sperg about it like the incels.

>image loaded with strawman arguments
nice way to deflect from any accountability

Most people sperg out at this very simple idea/sentence though.

Incels and MGTOWs are cool bunch, stop pestering them

lol why do you care if men choose not to be in a relationship, I thought it would be good for you, you have a higher chance to get a lady for yourself. Just ignore them, just ignore.

I'm really lonely and want a gf

Could they not care about women without being so repelling to them?

i'm not white knighting you autismo. i don't even watch their videos. i just know that what they do is important in the grand scheme.
>you beta orbiters
ad hominem fallacy projecting your own insecurity onto others. sorry i get laid more than you do, user. if i could help you out i would!

So what have you been doing to better yourself today? Do you generally keep up with it?

This is shill tactics everyone stop replying.

lol no

MGTOW is just speaking the truth of what's going on, it's not like they acting out and hurting females in any way.
Being offended is in the eye of the beholder, everyone is going to say bad things on everything. If you can't ignore that you'll always be butthurt about something.

jews

Well fuck them, who cares. There's nothing wrong with following your own path. It's the idiots who spaz out and think they're being rational that are annoying.

Seems like your own projection, considering you felt the need to the response. They serve zero purpose, Edelweiss Alliance does more actual activism than they could ever bother do because to them it's not about putting a face on it for clicks and money.

Oh so sorry I offended your future waifu.

>it's not like they acting out and hurting females in any way
Yeah they won't stop fucking trolling them.

Yeah I know m8. They are a pest. The cunts need to get out of our way. All they do is think of their jilted little micropenises and they could give two fucks about the future of the west.
The cunts are lucky they can hide behind their computer screens when they bully and troll right wing women, otherwise they would learn what a real white knight from the right will do.

>OP

This group was on usenet alt.seduction.fast until it was shut up around 2005, then puahate.com from 2009 to 2014 when that was shut down... then to reddit. It seems to turn into more of a beast with each banning

Did you read my second sentence? Learn to ignore it.

I lifted a lot as a teen and even got a date for end of school dance but I'm too autistic to ask them out on dates or progress the relationship. I just don't know how to talk to them, and it was always stressful. I always felt nothing but relief when I returned to my friends and just drank alcohol to forget about females

During the end of school dance it was awkward and we didn't even dance for very long cause it was super awkward and I hate dancing. So I went off to find my friends

Then after that I stopped trying. It was like talking to aliens trying to talk to girls.

Cause I realised I matter how attractive I made myself look. I am mentally and socially deficient with females beyond basic business interaction at a shop

I do ignore them, because they're losers, but when they start doing harm by creating instability within a movement it becomes a problem

No, and that's the problem.

White knight, case in point.

Not our problem that people are waking up, bad ideas always get replaced by good ideas, and if your movement is lead by bad ideas it deserves the instability it gets. So either you give people better ideas that they will forget about MGTOW or just deal with it.

You're surprised I responded to you on the thread I created?
>They serve zero purpose
That's where you're wrong, you tard. If you actually interacted with females you'd know how important having an attractive looking white girl dropping redpills is.

Just like lifting weights, communication and social interaction is something you have to work at to improve. Some are born with it, others aren't. You're probably going to be really uncomfortable at first and you likely will fail, but don't beat yourself up over it. Learn from it. And just keep doing it. The more you approach and talk to people the easier it gets.

Incles are men SENT their own way. They are rejected by he system and now think 'You can't fire me, I quit!' ... so they call themselves MGTOW for a while until they finally get lucky and get laid, and then obsess over that chick until she eventually gets a restraining order. Then the cycle starts over again.

MGTOW (not the incels) are men who could get laid/married/GF whatever, and choose not to play the game, save their money and spend it on things they like.

MGTOW get ripped on by tradcon males because muh white babies. These tradcons would like to see men married and with children, even though it's horrible advice (and they fucking know it).

>I'm surprised
No, I'm not. You've reacted just like the sperg you actually are because oh lord I dare called out bad actors using the movement as a means to an end. Again, Edelweiss Alliance is accomplishing more than these whores ever will - why? Because they don't need to use sexuality to get the point across you actual turbo autist. Take your loss because you earned it.

You really think MGTOW is a good idea for white nationalism?

The thing is, white nationalism doesn't fix the problem feminism caused. And if you don't address those problems, white nationalism will never take off.

It's easy to talk to people and socialise for me
If their male.

But if its female I freeze up and want to leave.

I've developed a lying habit to my family as I invent girlfriends who they never meet for them sake of my reputation

Bahahahaha! There we have it: a little fat fuck with a little dick. If you walked past me in real life you would scurry past in fear.
Only beta right wingers attack right wing women.

White knights are gayer than incels desu.

Women are not innocent little angels mate. Sure the incels are faggots and autistic and that's why they don't get laid, but let's not act like women are somehow exempt from criticism.

You're not as tough as a cunt as you think, bub. Keep thinking it though. You're absolutely right, a real beta WOULD attack right wing women. Good thing I'm not attacking such, I'm attacking infiltrators who have wimps like you wrapped around their fingers. Don't like? Come find me and put up or shut up, pussy.

Sex sells to normies. Who cares is someone like Lauren Southern shows some cleavage in a video about non-white immigration if it gets the point across? I think she's a conniving slut trying to ride the wave for money too but I still acknowledge what she does can be beneficial.

Dude do you hear yourself
These women won't fuck you mate

Personally I enjoy coming home from work to have my girlfriend there greeting me with a smile, and giving me a massage, meal, sex or whatever I'm feeling after work.

Granted I also get her attention with a dog clicker so I doubt its a common relationship.

Kill me

That wasn't my argument. Trust me, I know how women can be. My point is that the trolling is not a good idea, even if the e-celebs are just opportunists.

> I think she's a conniving slut trying to ride the wave for money too but I still acknowledge what she does can be beneficial.
Then I invite you to promptly remove yourself from association because you're no better than they are. Principles and standards matter more than ever.

shut the fuck up, whipped beta

Oh yeah no flooding them with hate comments isn't the answer. However there's going to be people that do that anyway because that's just the nature of Sup Forums. They should expect it from this place.

>You're not as tough as a cunt as you think
I sure am
Already have a gf you dumb cunt.

removing women from a movement is like sabotage 101 and these retards are doing it to their own lmao

You have to tackle those issues one at a time. And right now I think general awareness of white nationalism and giving it a healthy image is more important that deconstructing the problems that came with feminism.

Prove it then. Name the place or I will. Can't? Then shut your mouth and don't bother typing another word here, beta.

>Who cares about Coalburners and E-thots as long as I can stroke my dick to then why should it matter

White knights are worse than Incels and your posts have proven why.

Sounds like you're just thinking too much when talking to girls. You have to let what you say come naturally, even if you sound autistic at first. That's how you get better.

>i dont even watch their videos.
So you dont even know what they're saying to represent us and just want a cute mask to attract people with. You are no better than a jew.

I kinda understand that but the vast difference between males and females physically sets me off. They are visually offputting because they are attractive

I know what I need to do but I seem to have this autistic reflex whenever I try

No no no, you've got it all wrong, we need to go for the thing that will lead to collapse first. Men who allow women to vote and have giving politicians a hand at ruining all western countries (yes even Israel) is our number one priority. I won't go to white nationalism too much but I think it's flawed since it removes a lot of population that actually could do good if you have strict immigration and assimilation laws. Of course having a white image is important but it should come after if all of the above didn't fix it in a roundabout way

Yeah surely if everyone just held themselves to your lofty standards and principles this movement would have won 5 years ago.

It'll come for you friend, I was a late bloomer myself.

One day it will just snap in your head that women aren't magic creatures and you will be able to talk to them 100% normally.

I mean I'm sure you KNOW that now, but you can logically know it all day, as I did well before. Sadly until you really understand it from experience, age, or something else, your brain will always make you freeze.

only advice I can think of is try to interact with decent looking chicks with 0 intentions of persuing them romantically.
Seeing them as just friends and interacting with them as such will help you rationalize them not being some magic being.

Once you can establish that in your head, you can move on to actual targets.

hahahaha. Like Im going to burger land to be around niggers, spics and mutts to look for a little fat fedora tipper.

>t. projecting

Is she an abo?

removing women can be good or bad depending on the specific women in question. I don't pay much attention to ecelebs so I don't really know if this is self sabotage or not. Lauren Southern doesn't seem significantly more vapid than male alt-lite youtubers, unless she's done something terrible or retarded recently that I missed. Certainly if someone is giving her shit on the basis that woman == feminist == bad, then they're not mature enough to make important decisions.

Yes goys, refuse to find a mate while you're young and do NOT under any circumstances reproduce!

They give her shit because she fucked a nigger and rationalized it as "guys he's a based black trump supporter" when called out

>If we just keep making excuses and never make any actual progress because we're uncomfortable holding people accountable, we win.
That's you buddy, to a T. Congratulations, you win nothing. Just like we are now because of people like you.

You don't need these excuses for a reason as to why you don't want to get your head beat in. You're scared, I get it. Better stay where you are, you're safer.

That's fine but don't women because you have autism.

>Your impotent impotent online rage will not change that.

* Your impotent online rage will not change that.

You typed impotent twice.

Meaning I don't watch them religiously. I have seen a few and generally I know what their overall message is.

Feminism is a meme. A meme allowed to exist because of weak men. There is no future for the west with women "being equals". Women are shit tier at everything that has to do with guiding a society in the right direction.

Yes goys, find a mate and get married while you're young and do NOT under any circumstances change the marital and child support laws first!

And like they are winning now by being easy low hanging fruit now right? I mean pretty much your standards are "have a vagina and your in!" Then post softcore porn and shit up the board with e-thots? I wonder what could go wrong? Not like we tried this over and over again with the same result.

You realize incel means Involuntarily Celibate and not Intentionally Celibate, right?

These are people who want to be in relationships but they are like Elliot Rodgers and are on the spectrum so they can't get that pussy.

>suck it up buttercup

Suck it up, buttercup.

You forgot to capitalize and punctuation.

The thing is, we've made a lot of progress in the last year. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold them accountable either. I'm saying that infighting and trolling them is not good in present or future.

I hope so. I guess it doesent help my social environment is devoid of females

I have only one friend who has a gf in my friend circle

Well I'm talking mainly about MGTOW, people shaming incels for not being in a relationship should feel double ashamed for berating them because they just can't do it

thanks m8

Noice get grammer nazi

>They are actors, they are playing a part, and got rightfully called out on it and now you beta orbiters are coming out of the woodwork to defend these sluts.

Either take out the extra "and".....
They are actors, they are playing a part, got rightfully called out on it, and now you beta orbiters are coming out of the woodwork to defend these sluts.

Or split the sentence into two.
They are actors, they are playing a part, and got rightfully called out on it. Now you beta orbiters are coming out of the woodwork to defend these sluts.

>I mean pretty much your standards are "have a vagina and your in!"
Not even close. My standards are if you have views that support our movement, speak out if you have an audience to wake people up. Having women on our side is important. If we isolate ourselves we are fucked.

Sure I get being sympathetic to them for being autistic but some of the shit they say is just straight serial killer tier vitriol and they just sound like bitter retards. They don't make any effort to improve themselves and just curse everyone else who is moderately successful.

>nice way to deflect from any accountability

*That is a nice way to deflect from any accountability.

>Incels and MGTOWs are cool bunch, stop pestering them

* Incels and MGTOWs are a cool bunch. Stop pestering them.

>because they just can't do it
So they quit and become angry sperglords online? They sound weak anyways. Probably for the best that they don't reproduce.

>why do you care if men choose not to be in a relationship,

* Why do you care if men choose not to be in a relationship?

I didn't have a GF till I was 24.
I basically cut myself off mentally from the world when I was in my early 20s (this is before mgtow or anything was a thing) wasn't suicidal or anything, I just got really depressed and apathetic.

One day it just all snapped in my head, I got a job, started actually doing uni work.
after I became mentally OK with myself, the GFs came after.

Women like confidence user, if you don't believe in yourself how can they possibly want to follow you?

>i don't even watch their videos. i just know that what they do is important in the grand scheme.

* I don't even watch their videos. I just know that what they do is important in the grand scheme.

This is an ad hominem fallacy projecting your own insecurity onto others. Sorry I get laid more than you do, user. If i could help you out i would!

Having women on our side is important to the extent that you believe it is. Unless you're a feminist I wouldn't worry about them, they've only ever had the rights and privileges that we've allowed them to have.

The Jew gets it.

I think the problem with Feminism is that we failed a huge test that was for us to not buckle under the pressure and not try to view the world as equals. Females will never want to be treated equally because they know they can not lead and are unable to take necessary risks. Men are different we will take that risk and females are attracted to this in us men. Even if we lead

>Having women on our side is important

No that is where you are still on the Bluepill. You still think Females are leaders and they are not they are not the important element. Females have and always will follow men or even be the cheerleaders for them that is the key here. If you have Chad you can lead a ton of Stacys and high quality women. The problem is you are going in reverse thinking Females will lead men when they will just lead the weakest and beta of men. They will also try to monopolize and try to shift off important topics like Islam and Jews being apart of our government, Feminism being a problem etc. Because they know they benefit from them and will never talk down about it.

>MGTOW is just speaking the truth of what's going on, it's not like they acting out and hurting females in any way.

* MGTOW is just speaking the truth of what's going on, it's not like they are acting out and hurting females in any way!

Whining about not getting laid is not Sup Forums related.

Saged, hidden, reported, sent to the gas chambers, etc.

> I'm not saying we shouldn't hold them accountable either
You are, full stop. You're only changing your tune now because you've received pushback here that wasn't just me. Sorry not in the least, the time is better than ever to rid ourselves of loose weight. There are actual women who are worthy of the mantle, again I'm cyber waifus didn't make the cut for good reason. I don't care about the outside optics looking in you edge observer, why? Because I already know what to expect from anyone who isn't clued in this point. Latch on to anything deemed "negative" like you have been doing for several posts because in your eyes it shouldn't be called out. Well sorry, I don't care for that, otherwises I'd be ever other asshole clueless normie reading the NYT for a living on my way to work.

No-fucking-thank-thank. Step back and re-evaluate yourself, you are the problem yet again, not me.

>Being offended is in the eye of the beholder, everyone is going to say bad things on everything. If you can't ignore that you'll always be butthurt about something.

* Being offended is in the eye of the beholder, everyone is going to say bad things about everything. If you can't ignore that fact, you'll always be butthurt about something.

Dude I gave up , I have a good job , a house and am in shape. Still can't get a gf, fuck it , it's just not worth it anymore.

>Rather, you should grow a pair of balls and put your delicate ego aside for the good of the many, and not the few.
I always loved this sort of shit from you trad cons
>sacrifice yourself for others
Yea but why would I want to sacrifice myself for unworthy thots and "society" if all I ever get in return is sex once every 2 months?
>OMG JUST GROW A PAIR AND SACRIFICE YOURSELF

In my opinion the worse people are the manginas who enable women's natural instincts and let them loose. In life we'll always have losers but I just want those that can be dealt with, gone.

Incels are unfortunate but always a part of our society. Just remember that almost 60 percent of females reproduce with only 40 percent of males, so it's bound to happen.

nigger why

dont know how to talk to people Tbh I haven't really socialized with people since junior high school and that was about 12 years ago. no friends since then either