Where were you when Kim won, Sup Forums? Its sad to see the US begging Kim to talk to them like a dumped slut.
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>We are ready to have the first meeting without precondition," Tillerson said. "Let's just meet, and we can talk about the weather if you want. Talk about whether it's going to be a square table or a round table, if that's what you are excited about.
I thought that Trump was going to be tough with the DPRK? Turns out he's a fucking coward.
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Scopolamine works best at close range dipshit
Trump choked. There will be no attack on North Korea's nuclear and missile facilities.
Sanctions will not work. China and Russia will continue giving North Korea the capital and expertise it needs to keep advancing its program.
North Korea will likely stop all tests for about a year or so, in order to lull everyone back into complacency. Then in 2018 or so, after having built 100 nucear ICBMs or so, they will do a spectacular atmospheric hydrogen bomb test near (but not at) Guam, and will demand the withdrawal of US forces from South Korea.
The United States will accede to this demand, and the collapse of South Korea will begin. The country is of course riddled with spies and North Korea sympathizers, which at this point represent a sizable proportion of the youth population.
They will wake up to the lethal threat in front of them, but by then it will be too late.
The North Koreans will begin to systematically terrorize South Korea into submission. A plane shootdown here, an island shelling here. An assassination there.
With the USFK gone, and the North Koreans possessing nuclear weapons, the ability of South Koreans to credibly retaliate will be hindered. South Koreans will be forced to pay more and more money to North Korea in order to avoid attacks, which will continue until South Korea's economy is fatally damaged, both by a lack of foreign investor confidence and by the weight of the tribute burden.
At this point, China will openly show its hand in favor of North Korea. Chinese sanctions against South Korea will be tightened, resulting in a wave of leftist agitation (increasingly violent). Moon and then later whoever replaces him will be forced to acceede to increasingly heavy demands for censorship against North Korean defectors (if not their punishment), the expulsion of all Japanese and other foreigners.
Finally, we will see major defections from the military and government as it becomes obvious that time has run out for the country적화통일타임
>or so
>or so
>or so
Jesus increase your fucking vernacular, you might have a point but I can't continue after the third "or so" in the same sentence
Thank God
Based Kim will finally drive out the occupation government and establish Korea as the power it's meant to be
That's probably an easier sentiment to hold when you're sitting in L
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Unless you're actually in Pyongyang right now it smacks of LARPing faggotry desu senpai
Or at least in Korea
shutup english teacher-monkey
Make me faggot leaf
>Right wing SK military leaders retaliate in face of Noel aggression
>WW3 starts
But I don't see why we'd pull out of SK in the first place. We haven't budged when they're already threatening Guam, and we'll have a far superior middle defense system in place by then to defend the mainland. The only card the Norks really have is attacking her Seoul, which they've had the ability to level for decades with conventional weapons. Being fully nuclear capable will not change any territories or strategic bases. We are more like enter a new Cold War where the biggest threat to either side is an accidental escalation.
>pic extremely related
USA are pussies who can only pick fights with weaklings
Yeah you're probably getting thicker anti-NK propaganda than anyone else is, I bet you're pissing yourself you dumb MSM-licking gook.
A very likely outcome IF USA doesnt attack after SK Olympics/Spring (March 2018)
They are going to convince them to nuke LA
>But I don't see why we'd pull out of SK in the first place.
Same reason you pulled out of Taiwan when Communist China got nukes.
American public opinion will not support being in an even only nominal state of war with a country capable of nuking the shit out of them, even if you say "they won't do it"
Also, nukes will increase North Korea's ability to carry out attacks like those carried out in the past against the Cheonan and Yoenpyong Island, only more daring and inflicting greater casualties, since they know the ability of South Korea and the US too to credibly retaliate is limited.
Kill 5 people here, 10 people there, 100. Enough to start fraying the South Korean economy and start demanding serious concessions and/or tribute. Just as before but worse.
You also have to keep in mind what sort of people are sitting in the Blue House now, pic related.
...uh.... I'm in that blast radius.
My opinions are almost certainly better founded than yours.
You are aware that it has been a long-term goal of the Korean Democratic Party for a long time to obtain a federal form of unification in Korea (연방제통일)? And that President Moon has the opportunity he now needs to justify making major concessions to North Korea in return for peace?
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Moon says he wants Korean denuclearization but he essentially suggests no way that will be brought about and has systematically undercut US pressure to bring it about. And since North Korean nukes actually favor his political ambitions, does any serious person thinks he really opposes them?
Taiwans doing relatively fine though.
Also the situations is clearly very different in that we didn't shed blood there and then build up their economy to be one of the most important on the planet. No one wants SK economy to collapse, it would bring down the global economy. You don't know what you're talking about.
reunification of korea has been endgame. why would moon oppose korea having nukes. everyone knows nk wouldn't nuke sk. that's why they developed icbm's
HURR DURR
>sizable proportion of the youth
Are over 25?
How the fuck do you sell an actual majority (and not maybe a fifth column counting 2-3% which would already be a lot) of the youth the Yuche state in favour of smartphones and Kpop?
Taiwan is doing fine, but as you probably know China plans to invade within the next few years, actually.
>No one wants SK economy to collapse,
Who said they do? What I said was that a) Moon wants to bring about a federal form of unification with North Korea and that b) the US will be forced to make major concessions to North Korea in return for peace if they don't do something before North Korea obtains a real ICBM capability
>it would bring down the global economy.
No it wouldn't.
In broad terms, you also have to recognize that Taiwan and South Korea are very different. While South Korea is actually stronger economically than Taiwan, it is in a strategically terrible position and its internal political situation is much more favorable to North Korea's interests than Taiwan's is to China. You would know this if you knew anything about Taiwan and South Korea's internal politics, if I can say that without sounding too condescending. Do you actually know anything about the Taiwanese DPP and Korean Democratic Parties respectively. They are not similar. At all.
>reunification of korea has been endgame
Yes
>why would moon oppose korea having nukes
He has to, for public consumption.
>everyone knows nk wouldn't nuke sk. that's why they developed icbm's
The purpose of North Korea's nukes is to force a US withdrawal. In this respect, they are targeted at the United States but the purpose of developing them is to achieve a local goal.
Who cares, pull the troops out. Most Americans can't point to Korea on a map, let alone give a shit about it if it'll get us nuked.
We lost to Iran, we lost to Russia, now we're losing to North Korea. We don't win anymore, folks
>new Cold War
>fat Kim dies of heart attack in 20 years
>military councils take over, back off saber rattling and liberalize economy as they have no fear of losing their dynasty and live like kings a la Russia or china.
Things are more complicated than that. Sympathetic to North Korea in a South Korean context doesn't mean you want Juche and communist tomorrow morning.
It means you want the end of the National Security Law and the National Intelligence Service, it means you want a US-North Korea peace treaty, the US forces out, it means you want more aid to the North Korean government, it means you want more cross-border co-operation with a goal towards achieving a federal form of all-Korea government, it means you want more "sensitivity" shown to North Korea by gagging human rights activists and defectors... you get the idea.
>NK threatens US with nukes
>US says fuck off
Not even a democrat would pull out of SK
trump goes to war: wow i knew drumppfpff was going to start world war 3!!!
trump makes peace: wow what a fucking pussy coward, I thought you were chad
North Koreans have the option of killing increasing numbers of South Koreans until South Koreans themselves start demanding a political solution.
Once they have nukes, no-one can credibly threaten to go to war with them, any more than anyone can credibly threaten to go to war with China or the United States.
One morning you wake up and 100 South Korean sailors are dead. The US and South Korea launch a limited retaliatory strike that kills a similar number or even double the number of North Koreans. But meanwhile it's the South Korean stock market that has fallen sharply into the red.
A few months later, an island is shelled with the loss of 10 lives. The same pattern.
A few months after THAT, 50 South Korean civilans are killed, and foreign investors are spooked. The stock market is down 7%. South Koreans are now trying to get their money out...
You see where this is going. North Korea will obtain absolute impunity from serious retaliation, greater than ever before. Even when they could only launch artillery attacks on Seoul, it was enough to make war hideous enough that punitive retaliation against the North that could spark a full-scale war had to be avoided.
What is about to happen is that North Korea will be in a good position to once again start testing their limits. How many South Koreans can they get away with killing? I'm guessing that number is quite quite high. And because of the open nature of South Korea's society, South Korean deaths are more costly to South Korea than vice-versa which gives the North massive leverage.
You're still not explaining why the US would withdraw. We can't and haven't been able to credibly go to war with them ever, because of Seoul being hostage to their artilery. And they couldn't credibly hit us, as I mentioned our missle defense tech is and will be light years ahead. If what you're saying is true then the soviets would have done the same thing in Berlin and Central Europe. Being on equal footing doesn't mean they can do whatever.
Also you're forgetting that Kim's biggest goal is staying in power. The more isolate his regime is the better for him. He has no interest in war or South Korea anytime in the foreseeable future
Missile defense tech is the most dodgy military tech there is, even the best we have in service right now has a 50% success rate and hasn't ever been used in combat conditions.
If the norks can create a mirv capable warhead then there's a very high chance they could get past missile defense systems
We'd withdraw because the South Koreans would tell us to GTFO. South Korea is a democracy and their people would quickly decide we were doing more harm than good.
I see, it sounded a bit more dramatic then that. Which is still a great issue.
The youth being full of singlechilds as over here might indeed tendenciate towards appeasment policies out of fear or naive hope.
That you have a fifth column in your parliament is rather probable though. The DDR managed to do the same here back then albeit to an unknown degree which sparks smaller controversies even today by critical voices who asks themselves why there has been no extensive revision of history regarding the extend of their spy activity yet.
You and the japanese do not like each other, but in the face of an US withdrawal might you find an ally willing to fill that role?
Abe is busy dropping the pacifist stance and they probably prefer the status quo. That this will disgruntle korean nationalists in the south who might see unification at the cost of freedom as a better alternative to shameful cooperation with a past foe is ofc a risk.
Now, should the north win as you described, your population advantage might loosen up their ability to project a totalitarianism as terrible as it is now at least?
>Also you're forgetting that Kim's biggest goal is staying in power. The more isolate his regime is the better for him. He has no interest in war or South Korea anytime in the foreseeable future
If this was really the case, why did he risk a war by embarking on a nuclear weapons program in the first place? His artillery was already making a first strike more costly than either the US or South Korea wanted to be responsible for, which is why neither country launched a major attack on North Korea between the end of the Korean War and today.
Between 1990 and the Current Year, the Kims exposed their regime to the greatest risk of being regime changed it has been under since the end of the war. Why would they do that, if survival was their only goal? Sanctions have been annoying, if not exactly fatal, and the US has seriously considered toppling the regime at least twice during the development process. So certainly during that period the regime was no safer than before, and if its intentions are purely defensive it is no safer now than before.
The logical conclusion then is that they have wider ambitions. Given the cost and the risk of the project it seems to me absurd to draw any other.
I wonder if this will have a domino effect, getting our allies to kick us out of their respective borders as well. That would be based as fuck, is this more 4d chess from Trump to end American military industrial globalism?
The real alpha thing to do, as opposed to wasting our tax dollars and sending a bunch of young white men and family members to die for a bunch of foreign gooks, would be to withdraw all military from the Korean Peninsula and tell South Korea to get fucked and deal with their retarded neighbors on their own. Stick our troops then on the border with Mexico, where shit actually matters.
Its a fucking waste of tax dollars and bodies to keep babysitting these ungrateful, anti-American South Korean pieces of shit.
>spies and North Korea sympathizers, which at this point represent a sizable proportion of the youth population.
Yeah gonna need a citation on this one buddy.
Why do you want Americans to die for these people?
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trump won't do any war shit till his second term other than skull Fuck Assad and protect CIA Afghanistani opium
expect more troops in the Baltic and more cooperation with India as well
Bingo.
Pic related is a perfect example.
Basically opening the door for China to dad-dick whoever they want in SE Asia. That WILL bite us in the ass down the road.
We don't need troops on the Mexican border. Cartels make way to much money to try actually kicking the hornets nest. The case could be made that we are keeping their operations active to keep SA destabilized and non-competitive.
>We don't need troops on the Mexican border. Cartels make way to much money to try actually kicking the hornets nest.
>Basically opening the door for China to dad-dick whoever they want in SE Asia.
Hi, I'm Joe Everyman, American citizen. Six months ago I broke my leg on a jobsite and lost my job, illegally hired foreign labor that is flowing across the Mexican border. I have developed an opiate addiction in the process of recovering from my injury, an epidemic sustained the supply of opiates that are also flowing across the Mexican border. My son can not find honest blue collar employment and he was rejected from higher education because slots needed to be held for the offspring of the previously mentioned illegal Mexican labor. Sorry for interrupting, please, explain to me why I, an individual living on the North American continent, should TOTALLY CARE about some GOOK GEOPOLITICS on a side of the world I will never set foot in, let alone care about in any capacity.
>stupid enough to get addicted to opiates
>doesn't care about geopolitics
Really makes me think