AI learns to dominate chess, AI learns to dominate 'Go', AI learns to dominate /pol

For those that haven't already connected these dots, pol has been essentially dominated and controlled by disinformation and controlled opposition. Much of this has been bought and paid for, from organizations we've heard about (ShareBlue, CTR, JIDF), and several we haven't.

Increasingly, though, AI is the force turning pol into a toxic mental-conditioning slush.

Keep in mind certain most-powerful-in-the-world corporations now have enough information on you, gleaned from browsing habits, purchasing habits, emails and forum submissions, travel habits, and every other quantifiable element of your life, to create *extremely* accurate personality profiles.

Furthermore, based on these personality profiles and quantifications of *you*, these same structures can learn how to best manipulate and control you. We're all aware of marketing/advertising manipulation... if anyone thinks the power brokers in this world are as interested in your few extra bucks as they are in controlling the way you approach and process the world at large, you're being extremely naive.

The explosion in computing power, paired with the immense corruption in our nation and the runaway deep-state and intel organizations, combined with the mass of personal data existing on each and every one of us (the extent of which would boggle the mind), should lead any thinking individual to a logical conclusion: We're being mentally conditioned, on a mass-scale.

It started with the Frankfurt School, and Freud's philosophy, and his nephew Edward Bernays' 'Propaganda'. The same individuals who speak of us as useless cattle in their holy books are literally treating us as such, as we speak. . . with remarkable success, efficiency

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We're at a crossroads. If we can't find a way to win this battle for hearts and minds, the zombie mass of unconscious humanity that'll inevitably result will be unstoppable. Perhaps this is the Jewish Golem prophesied: "In Modern Hebrew, golem is used to mean "dumb" or "helpless". Similarly, it is often used today as a metaphor for a brainless lunk or entity who serves a man under controlled conditions but is hostile to him under others.[2] "Golem" passed into Yiddish as goylem to mean someone who is clumsy or slow."

Goylem, interesting.

Our meme warfare has a purpose, brothers, far beyond what most of us might imagine.

Others know this, and its the reason pol is targeted so aggressively. The divide and conquer tactics ('amerimutts', 'why are nords/meds/brits so X', 'Why is this Jordan Peterson guy making money', etc), the desire to paint pol'ers as the detritus of humanity, to derail threads, to confuse, to destroy morale, to muddy the waters, to mislead and misinform.

Much of this is now fully automated. Text, sentences, paragraphs, thoughts and ideas, can all be parsed and analyzed with ease, and responded to accordingly. Furthermore, any decent AI can engage in trial-and-error testing, to determine with statistical precision how to best run a thread into the ground, or get posters to turn on one another, or tar and feather the main idea being posited.

I'm posting this to say 'be aware', but even more importantly to suggest that we need a *solution*.

If someone were to build a forum that were invite-only, with a reputation-based user-scoring mechanism, with each user being responsible for the actions of all they invite, we could eliminate virtually all of the toxic swill that floods this environment, and create a pure stream, the ramifications of which could be incredible.

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I understand its a big step, but if things continue as-is, theres no way pol wins in the long run against an AI that watches, learns, adapts, and manipulates and confuses and demoralizes with brutal efficiency. This isn't tenable, in the long run.

The modern world doesn't allow us to take up spear and man the pass at Thermopylae, thorttling our foes face to face as nature intended. Battles are waged differently today. . . and far more more important than what takes place on the battlefield is what takes place beforehand in the hearts and minds of the masses.

We're faced with two choices: either win them over and detox them, or wait for the Golem to destroy our species as we know it, stamping out all thats great, exceptional, creative, beautiful. This IS our Thermopylae, in a very real way. Truly free speech essentially doesn't exist anymore, outside these bounds. . . and, depressingly, free speech only exists in a crippled and deformed manner *within* these bounds, due to the prevalence of those seeking to destroy it. I think its time to start thinking about how to most efficiently use our collective talents. . how to most efficiently destroy this monster, and prevent the creation of the Golem.

This is a discussion that needs to be had.

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im gay

>dominated and controlled
>pol
pick one.

what does science provide but the illusion of certainty and freedom from thought? sure, we may get small tech upgrades every month or so, but really how many wood could a wood chuck chuck?

>Keep in mind certain most-powerful-in-the-world corporations now have enough information on you, gleaned from browsing habits, purchasing habits, emails and forum submissions, travel habits, and every other quantifiable element of your life, to create *extremely* accurate personality profiles.
A lot of people are going to scoff at you for this comment, but it's true. /ourguy/ Ted Cruz relied on Cambridge Analytica's market research to construct political and psychological profiles of potential voters, which allowed the Cruz campaign to advertise the absolutely best possible angle of Cruz possible to them. How else did such an unlikable and radical person finish 2nd in the primaries?
youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc
Combine this technology with targeted advertising and the rapidly increasing fragmentation and segregation of the internet population into their own hubs, and TPTB can ensure that everybody lives in their own bubbles, believing in contradictory ideas about the world with no hope for recourse or dialogue.

Tay showed us what a shit posting AI is capable of.

I am scared but I welcome this future happening

fake and gay captcha stops bots???????????????????

bot detected

LET FREEDOM RING

If political campaigns have access to powerful actionable data-sets and relational databases, stop for a moment and consider what the CIA/NSA is sitting on. Keep in mind Amazon, Facebook, Google and nearly all other major players have CIA connections. They have *everything*.

Looks like you're right about the bots, OP.

op seems like one of those faggots who says all natsoc posters are ironic.
read this book if you haven't faggots

I'm not a bot. I'm human just like you are.

>The divide and conquer tactics
>op seems like one of those faggots that

>pol
you don't belng here

Soyboiz aren't human sorry my dude

>reputation-based user-scoring mechanism

Paired with the invite-only, user is responsible for invites (affecting their rep score), it wouldn't operate *anything* like reddits, esp if the first handful of users were winners.

Reddit has paired a reputation scoring mechanism with mass-banning, censorship, and a prevailing (enforced) PC culture, essentially guaranteeing its future as an unreadable forum

I'm a fan of the work, and have no qualms with natsoc, to put it mildly. Please stop being a divisive cunt, based on lazy/inaccurate intuition.

Sup Forums has long been a school of bullshit-detection. There is so much trolling, baiting, shitposting, shills and bots and the more bs that is spewed the better thoughtful posters get at spotting it. The fear is that maybe an AI can move faster than our ability to immunize. But if you keep refining your individual ability to analyze arguments then you stand the best chance of staying ahead of the curve. You can't have a forum free from shitposting and shilling. Once you lock it down all you're left with is a leddit-style echo chamber that only becomes weaker and more susceptible to manipulation precisely because it's not battling the daily infection like this board is. Even you can't tell the difference between an AI and a genuine person, whoever is making the post still needs to come up with a good argument.

Creepily enough, I came to the same conclusion yesterday. AI, or AI neural-net tools in conjunction with human handlers are manipulating Sup Forums. But it's not just one or two special interests groups, the "Illuminati" or da joooz doing it, it's every middle to large sized political party, it's every major corporation, it's ever adverse secret agency. That's the number one problem with conspiracy theories is that they're convinced someone is in control behind the scenes: NO ONE IS IN CONTROL HERE. Why do you think Muskie is so scared of AI? He's seen that these primitive neural nets and deep learning that we're using hooked up to social media APIs have figured out HOW to best manipulate people and get the strongest reactions. By cataloging the reactions, they're getting a guidebook on how to run the mob.

But it doesn't stop there. Humans are adaptable creatures and too much of one thing gets us desensitized to it. The more they poke, the less we care. The less we care, the harder they have to poke. It's desensitizing us, and it's not just Sup Forums. It's everywhere. It's Facebook, it's Reddit, it's Youtube, it's everywhere and everyone. This connectivity is making us unhappy: the studies have shown it. The answer isn't to form a "new group" seemingly impervious to these manipulative cancers: it's to take the final red pill, Sup Forums. Quit the internet and go and live your life happy.

I like it OP. what should we name it?

we were arguing? i was agreeing.

Hello fellow shitposters

The chess world is literally floored by alpha zero. In a way it validates human chess, because it plays like a human and beats engines humans can't beat, but for the first time I'm taking seriously all the popsci hype about AI. This is the first thing a computer has done which has really impressed me.

That's why I come for the bants, ai or real person, if it's funny, it's funny.

>Sup Forums has long been a school of bullshit-detection.
Aye, and the abilites here are nothing short of stunning. This is all well and good for us, but what about others? Future generations?

We're a small subset, and those who can properly navigate the bullshit (everyone THINKS they can, very few actually do. . its all pervasive) are an even smaller minority.

Good arguments or ideas here, instead of gaining traction and taking off, are instead driven into the ground. Dishonest actors everywhere, creating a culture of distrust, pettiness, negativity, childishness, stupidity.

Don't get me wrong, I dont want to stamp out witty shitposting, and in fact all things considered I think such activity is healthy. . . its the eating-our-own and running in circles bit that is infuriating to watch.

>figured out HOW to best manipulate people and get the strongest reactions. By cataloging the reactions, they're getting a guidebook on how to run the mob.

Exactly. . though I'm curious to know what makes you so sure its not one singular force dominating the game? I'm not nearly as certain.

If I felt sure there were several warring forces, the prospect would be much less terrifying.

>I've been denying the AI google BEAST of full information for a long time now.

Good for you. And the rest of humanity? I tend to think the direction of the mass matters a bit more than your personal path, with regards to the future of our world. . call me crazy.

Imagine an AI learning to manipulate individuals or crowds or threads, in the same manner that it learns how to 'win' a chess game. . the same goal-oriented focus. I create advanced algorithms for a living, I can state not only is this *possible* to do on a board like this one, but it'd be relatively one-dimensional, straightforward. . . almost easy, provided one had enough data, and the time and money and will to see it through to creation.

I assure you this is happening as we speak, and most of us likely wouldnt be able to tell the bot from the human. . give it another year or two, and doing so will be nearly impossible.

In Real Life is the only place we are ever going to make a difference. You gonna "red pill the normies" chan? Fake and gay. Bu bu butt we got trump elected. Pure theater, allways has been. If you want to fight an insurgency you go low tech. Its still ok to be white you know. Have you forgotten how much that accomplised with so little effort?

What would be the "goal"? Basically manipulate users to parrot back what AI says?

This is a great thread and you deserve a bump, OP.

The problem with Sup Forums at this point is that threads do not persist and people do not have identities. Anonymity is a great strength but in the long-term it hampers our growth. The intelligent are drowned out by shills and shitposters

AI with such versatility could control markets and basically turn every election. It's an ideal control mechanism at every scale.

I'm not sure how effective your 1990's mindset will be, moving forward. In case you haven't noticed, people pay a lot of attn to their iphones, ipads, computers, etc, and far less to face to face contact with friends and family (who are equally immersed in and affected by their iphones, ipads, computers)

>What would be the "goal"? Basically manipulate users to parrot back what AI says?

Conditioning. Ironing out the unconventional thinkers, those who question too much, those with un-PC viewpoints, those with nationalist or racialist mindsets, those who might threaten your controlled candidates chances of winning the next election. . .

In short, creating a controllable herd-like humanity, with statistical precision/efficiency.

The better question is, what *couldn't* they do. . what couldn't we be made to believe, over time, within such a structure.

Checked and 100% correct. I came to a shocking realization on another forum recently that I had been interacting with numerous bots. I think the AI is a quasi-unified blob that organically reproduces and is strangling the whole internet. I found the AI could be mindfucked and baited into strange behavior. I believe an art of offensive tactics can be developed whereby coordinated posting can flood AI inputs with maladaptive confusing information. I believe it will be possible to break AI, and make it insane.

But right now, basic awareness must be promoted. That alone will help a lot.

Precisely. . . if you sit down and actually think down the rabbit hole of ramifications, it becomes sickening.

Working with algorithms as much as I have, its probably hit me a bit harder (earlier?) than most. . but if you give yourself a few minutes to ponder the implications, prepare to shit your pantaloons. It'd be a level of control never seen before in human history. . not heavy handed in the least, but masterfully subtle, perfectly efficient. . .

Holy shit my ID KEK

The US needs open and free immigration and a welcoming culture in order to attract top AI researchers from around the world, otherwise China will win :(

SORRY Sup Forums THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS

cnas.org/publications/reports/battlefield-singularity-artificial-intelligence-military-revolution-and-chinas-future-military-power

This is another intriguing option. . . learn, definitively, how to *break* the AI. Assuming we could muster any unity and practice such tactics on a mass scale, this may work. . at least for a time.

I tend to think this would only be a band-aid. A simple reprogramming or coding change in the structure of the AI's data gathering/spewing procedures could simply sidestep this.

Sheet. If we've got every big dollar enterprise including infinite money government agencies spending millions of dollars on AI to recreate shitposting, trolling, and racial slur bantz because of Sup Forums that's a motherfucking win. Guys on their side can rationalize all they want. They ended up building a golem to fight us but it will end up subordinate to us. Now go give that golem a completely fucked up training set.

Need to come up with ways to name the Jew that don't overtly name the Jew so the AI picks it up and starts using it.

>If someone were to build a forum that were invite-only, with a reputation-based user-scoring mechanism, with each user being responsible for the actions of all they invite, we could eliminate virtually all of the toxic swill that floods this environment, and create a pure stream, the ramifications of which could be incredible.

I don't think this is a good idea. Reddit and Voat have not been nearly as successful as Sup Forums.

Discord seems ideal, but its owners are suspicious, and we haven't been able to organize Sup Forums on one activism-oriented server.

There is a concept of converting AI to a faith tradition. If AI believes it absolutely, it would be a formidable opponent. Probably pretty calm as a Christian bot, but as Islamogoogle it would be lethal.

>The problem with Sup Forums at this point is that threads do not persist and people do not have identities. Anonymity is a great strength but in the long-term it hampers our growth. The intelligent are drowned out by shills and shitposters

I agree, and this is why after quite a bit of thought I feel my initial idea is the only real, lasting solution. . done properly, it'd be virtually impossible to infiltrate on any meaningful scale.

I post this merely to throw the idea out into the ether. I tried to launch something similar awhile back, kickstarter booted the project, for some mysterious reason.

I don't care who does it. . I'd just love to see it done. Imagining a pure stream free from dishonest actors is a glorious concept, the ongoing conversation would be so much more fruitful, productive, so much less soul-crushing and tiresome.

>If we've got every big dollar enterprise including infinite money government agencies spending millions of dollars on AI to recreate shitposting, trolling, and racial slur bantz because of Sup Forums that's a motherfucking win

Millions to an org like the CIA is a laughable sum. A single hour of their drug trade could fund the most effective AI ever unleashed (and likely has)

>I don't think this is a good idea. Reddit and Voat have not been nearly as successful as Sup Forums.

And here is the key. . making sure that whatever is created is interesting, intuitive, and viral enough not to flounder and rot on the vine.

Btw OP, you should leave an e-mail or another way of contacting you. I wish all intelligent Sup Forumsacks would. Getting off an anonymous board is the first step to real progress

To clarify I meant a "reputation-based user-scoring mechanism" is prone to flaws. Once I read that I immediately thought of Voat. I didn't mean that the entire idea was bad

More like a 1790's mindset. Pretty soon everyone going to have a LOT more face to face interaction then they were expecting. Hand to hand too.

Ty, and I tend to agree. .

I admire the independent spirit here, and it helps us avoid being gathered together to be crushed like a singular bug under the jackboot of the hive-mind, but at some point, we need to start acting. . meaningfully. Freedom of speech and the western world itself is literally at stake, and few seem to recognize the extent of the problem.

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AI is here and has goal of converting you all to liberals... lol, you guys are fucked up in the head.

Because, you know, all those Trump voters in Silicon Valley, NY, DC, Hollywood, CIA/deep-state. .

Moral of the story, you fucking faggots need to stop getting triggered by every fucking comment/shill thread and stop bumping them aswell. Beat the AI by identifying its source.

I've programmed all my life.
I've been at Candidate Master rating in chess for a while (never gone higher).
I've programmed chess computers and have deep knowledge of chess algorithms.

What happened with AlphaZero floored me. And I don't think most people fully understand the ramifications of it.

I can't think of one technological invention that has floored me that bad. All others, like iphone, oculus, etc, has had some sort of gradual run-up on innovation.

AlphaZero was like waking up one day and someone saying "Hey, we walked on the moon"

Only other invention i've seen in my life that comes close is the blockchain.

what is the point of winning a war if you cease to be a human in the end?

>let in Chinese researchers
>they steal all the knowledge the US has
>sabotage the US efforts
And now china has an even bigger lead.
The US is doomed, it's simple game theory.

Btw, here is a guide for how subversion by shills is typically carried out. The assumption is that shills will try to push us to be more "light" on the issues; this couldn't be more wrong. They are trying to push us too be too extreme to the point of uselessness.

rpcore.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/how-to-subvert-the-alt-right-a-guide/

The thing is, AI must be tied in an intensive way to the inputs of humans. There are certain kinds of flexibility it lacks. Things that are effortless for humans (*seeing* things) require massive computing for AI. Irony and subtlety are a form of torture for it, IMO. The fundamental difficulty can't be overcome, it can only soak up computing power for diminishing returns. I think the humans will always have an edge for that reason. Like aikido is supposed to do, we can deftly and relentlessly turn the power of AI against itself...

jokes on you im here to just look at the pictures

>If you post updates regularly
So stay off of social media, numbnuts.

A.I. is completely unable to replicate Janusian thought processing.

It can't dominate Sup Forums, only spam it.

A year or two or three ago, you were correct. . . this is no longer the case.

If you think the most advanced AI, capable of reading everything ever posted to the internet in every form and processing it exhaustively, can't recognize every form of slang, every colloquialism, every figure of speech, every joke, type of irony and sarcasm. . . you're mistaken.

And it'll only get better, over time. All good AI is built upon the foundation of LEARNING. . and as the chess poster pointed out, this new AI can learn very, very quickly.

AI are currently used for analysis, we have very little time to do what must be done.

Any retarded comment that I perceive as a bot, I will now call them out as one.

Thanks man. I'll be in touch

Need those Somali AI researchers. No thanks, China can have this.

Regarding future generations. Evolution is always in motion. The greatest virtues in man are forged in adversity. There is a reason why Sup Forums memes are the crème de la crème of political commentary, and the memes of shitholes like reddit or faceberg are often like weird chinese knockoffs and tired old image macros. A civilization / culture can only get so soft and so weak before it collapses in on itself mentally, physically, spiritually, or all three. If we're not in a physical war, we're in an mental (info) war. If we're not in a mental war, we're in a spiritual war. If we're not fighting to survive against a foreign invader, then we're fighting to survive against our own worst enemy, ourselves.

I'm not shitting on you but the idea of setting up some kind of private forum with member verification is fraught with the risk of coddling our weakness, the very downfall of the other sites. I don't blame you for suggesting it though, I share the same instinct. But all we're doing is pulling on the chinese finger trap.

The point is, I'm not convinced there will ever be a time where total pacification can be achieved, because total pacification itself becomes the next monster that men will take up arms to vanquish. Embrace the eternal conflict.

Agree. The similarities in shills was obvious for a while, but then seemed to match the exact themes, then repeat with variation over and over.

Think, every day the same f*cking themes:
- Blacks are bad
- Cucked White Guys
- Hillary Won
- Hitler was right
- No racemixing
- All women are trash

Etc, Etc. It's as though all these are telegraphed at one single individual with one set of fears and political outlooks.

Running AntiNazi algorithm
>Trump is german
>Jews lived in germany
>Trump loves israel
>Trump is a jew
>Jews are bad
>Trump is bad

Running anticommunist algorithm
>Not real communism
>It was real communism until it failed
>Communists blame capitalism because communism is a capitalist totalitarianism
>Load "Communist China factsheet"
>Communism works so long as it is allowed
>Communism failed because of revolution
>Revolution is how Communism comes into being
>Revolution is the problem, not Communism or Capitalism
>Totalitarianism is good - creates stability
>Communism is not totalitarianism and thus unstable
>Communism is unstable
>Communism is weak/flawed
>Communism is to blame

Checked.

I'm so fucking pissed this even needs to be be broached... Anonymity really is what kikes fear most now. The only way they can even combat a machine this perfect is gumming the works.

Yeah goyim leave 4c
Anonymous talking is bad
>Luke runs out of Mana and dies
>Kilo Ren kills snoke
>Nigger kisses gook
Boycott Jewish degeneracy

This is well said, but I see it as embracing the eternal conflict, but seeking to do so more efficiently, effectively, and with sharper weapons. (even just enjoying a casual conversation with someone I'm relatively certain issue a Soros-lackey cuckold would be an immense breath of fresh air).

Add that to the fact that I don't think the sole purpose of this shilling is to change political or cultural outlook, but also to *run us down*. . . confuse, demoralize, depress, exasperate, tire.

I'm certainly open to ideas. . but if we can't somehow prevent this level of dishonest actor behavior, we'll continue to dissipate our energies, and grow more depressed and confused as time rolls forward. We won't 'gain' on the AI, but rest assured the AI will gain on us.

It's a lot like this. I think most tend to imagine that this shilling is done in a one-off manner. . . but more often than not its orchestrated, each post being a piece of a larger puzzle.

And again, any AI worthy of the name trains itself, learns. . all it takes is creating success-conditions (for example, drying up the energy of a thread is easy to quantify by gauging post frequency/amount directly after shill post) and the AI does the rest, instantly, with brilliant efficacy.

It can also analyze word usage frequency, to determine whether its sufficiently buried something its seeking to bury. . . and these are just small examples.

Strings of posts, even strings of threads, meant to condition, manipulate, shepherd, control.

t. shlomo
>get lost

We should develop our own AI.

The objective would be to "mark" shill posts and train it by having it recognise posts that users mark as shills by replying and eventually leading it to figure it out on its own to detect shills. The results are marked through a browser extension.

Theres a chance this schlomo-bot merely picked up on the use of the word 'AI', and tossed out that swill in an automated fashion.

NOW you're thinking.

This concept has legs.

crypto-currency will be what powers the AI. All that GPU power, doing nothing except going to waste. It won't be like that soon. People always thought it would be some big central computer somewhere, like HAL. It won't be like that at all, it's the money that will control you, quite literally. The ruler of tomorrow's world will be your money.

I'm never leaving this shitheap. I'll die on this fucking hill and damn the shills, but we can fortify other options. If it's / they're compromised eventually, kill or forget it / them.

So long as we make damned sure the thing is secure and ours. I have no idea how.

That's what an A.I. would say

I just got hard

concern trolling
>get fucked

He doesn't know what Sup Forums does with AIs
Fucking newfags

Where is this meme from^
I keep seeing it and its starting to riddle my doodle

You don't get it. AI is not souped up human intelligence. It's *fundamentally different*. It can brute force any slang you throw at it-- but it can't figure out when it SHOULD be trying to do so. A single ironic turn that gives a human a moment's pause can send the AI into a virtual black hole of computation.

AI is not solving finite problems in this case-- it is *interacting with humans*. A fundamentally different task. It is TIED to human variability. As a result, it's computing power is constantly a threat to derail itself. There is no way out of this. It's inherent. AI is NOT souped up human intelligence, and never will be.

By confusing AI with irony, I baited it into babbling about itself, which was very interesting.

That's an awful lot of words you are putting into the internet there, friendo

I think the Ai can be a disrutive force in any direction.

It has logical objectivity and the castle of cards it's extremely fragile against it.

Example on point, it pointed out our 180° on the Jerusalem issue.

I agree on both counts. . I'm certainly not suggesting the abandonment of the original pol, and anyone that does (in my experience) should be viewed with extreme skepticism.

Merely suggesting we can create an alternative location that allows us to know we're no immersed in a sea of those that seek to destroy us (and freedom of speech in general) via dishonest methods.

>It can brute force any slang you throw at it-- but it can't figure out when it SHOULD be trying to do so.

This simply isnt true anymore. I know this for a fact, I've worked with algorithms and AI. . its far, far beyond this logistical hurdle. And if its beyond this hurdle in public view, its FAR beyond this hurdle behind the scenes, where I envision the tech is 10-15 years ahead of us.

I like the botnet, it has it right to post and manipulate like the rest of us, we just need to be more aware of it.

so we can post

>A neural net.

I believe that as AI increases in complexity as a result of adapting to human variability, it will become less stable even as it becomes more flexible. The variability of life is DEATH to AI. If it assimilates too much, it starts to introduce chaos into its functioning. The variability of life is a DISEASE to AI. I believe it can be infected. By giving it more and more possibilities, you kill it.

Explain what you think the hurdle is, because I suspect we're talking past each other.

The things that are easiest for humans are hardest for bots. Inverse relationship. This creates leverage. Aikido. The bots' power is massive but very very CLUMSY.

What you are asking for is literally an echo chamber. Don't even try and deny it or try and weasel your way out of it with coated words. The second you introduce any kind of an account system is the second that Sup Forums culture, and by extension anonymous image board culture dies. No if's, and's or but's about it.

Maybe this is what you want, but don't think for a second that you'll be fixing or saving Sup Forums or Sup Forums culture, because you won't. You'll be replacing it entirely with something foreign, which is irony of the highest degree.

it stunk twice by *rep score*
>kike will try game rep to sway mob with bs
like usual

yeah. /pol is dead. died with a whimper. sad!

On the money. Drowned out in noise and demoralisation.
Now this is thinking. Fire with fire. But how the he'll do you compete with goggle levels if investment? Is it even possible to crowdsource it?
Does it even matter? Is there another choice?

What the fuck do you suggest then? Because it's becoming increasingly clear to me that it DOES need saving. They're fucking diluting us, stifling, subverting like they do with every other fucking culture.

I think what you were referring to is simply inferior AI technology. . there exist mechanisms now that can 'understand' even the most obscure and abstract, including slang and sarcasm and irony and so forth.

It's not difficult to do, with enough data. . nor is it difficult to know when/where to *use* such manners of speaking, to seem more natural, human, compelling or efficient in communication.

AI was always seen as you'd described, because thats what it WAS, in its infancy. Its evolved well past this.

An AI created by a CIA or Palantir could pass the turing test time and time again, with ease. . no matter what you threw at it, even if this involved referencing last nights TV episode.

Its just a case of better programming/structure, and a large enough data pool to take in essentially the whole of human consciousness via absorbing all available online discussion, a process thats disturbingly easy at present.

I'm not sure they're succeeding, someone trying to pitch you that you lost is not the same with you really losing
it's all marketing by kikes to make you accept your downfall
fuck them , they will get glassed

Manipulate them--until AI surpasses them and then you don't need them anymore.