What makes you think the holocaust never happened?

What makes you think the holocaust never happened?

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Define "the holocaust".

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Because their claim of 6 million Jews makes no mathematical sense.

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Lack of irrefutable evidence and laws against actual investigation (truth does not fear one) you can literally get sued if you announce you don't think there was 6mil. jews in public and someone records it.

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>What makes you think the holocaust never happened?

Basic math is ample.

Quick maths

1.Leuchter and Rudolph proved the alleged as chambers are a lie.
2.No documentation or orders have been found that clearly show an extermination was planned or performed. This includes messages the messages sent from auschwitz which say nothing about any killings, just about deportations FROM the camp to elsewhere.
3.Laws that impeach human rights in an attempt to keep people quiet about the truth.
4.The vast ludicrous claims and proven lies the holohoaxers spout.
5.The fact that every camp that was actually investigated was found to not be an extermination camp.
6. Statistical data from both the red cross and the books from the Germans that show the death toll was only a few hundred-thousand.

>oy vey!!..would a juden ever lie?

It happened
But only a few dozens were executed

step out tha 4 car door with a 44 count em 1 2 free and 4

thumbs up citing Leuchter! The jewish lobby forced him out of business in the US after his findings. Before that, he was the top execution "machinery" designer for the US prison system. Hence, his expertise and why Ernst Zundel requested he investigate Auschwitz.

israel being founded three years after the holocaust makes me believe jews couldn't have hyper bred enough adutls after a genocide to populate their own jewish state.

All the death camps were captured by Russians. I don’t trust commies.

t. Fred Leuchter

Because anything involving jews also involves lies and treachery.

Just another coincidence. It's such a crock of shit.

The fact that Auschwitz very clearly wasn't a "death camp" is a big factor. Also the fact that the holy 6 gorillion figure never changes, because it's a Rabbinical prophecy far predating the war, even as the supposed Auschwitz death toll has shifted by millions.

That's not to say that jews didn't suffer and die, some deliberately killed by Einsatzgruppen on the eastern front, but hey it was a brutal war that killed vast numbers of civillians and the jews were in no way special. It's just wartime atrocity propaganda that has survived to the current year because of its usefulness in jewing the goyim, e.g. white countries must become "diverse" to stop annudah shoah.

The holocaust was real, there were death camps all over europe, the only thing not real about the holocaust was the 6 million figure the jew cockroaches made up to make themselves look like martyrs.

i dont expect the actual number of jews killed in the camps to be bigger than a 500,000- 1 million, but the camps also consumed tons of non-jew lives of other nationalities.

it is extremely disrespectful for all the people that died there to say the camps were 5 star hotels hitler built for shits and giggles.

its not even a secret, really, a lot of germans survived the war, escaped germany to tell the tales of how much fun it was to be the boss in a camp.

my personal opinion is that hitler was a crypto jew, hired by the american jews to exterminate the non-compliant european jews.
sheeeit, the entire WW2 was nothing else but a gigantic jewish fucking trick to kill as many whites as possible, and create israel on the corpses of white soldiers.

never trust the german, and never trust the jew, they are the same shit, but from a different toilet.

lol everything in this picture is such bullshit, its hilarious, no wonder nobody takes naziboobooos seriously.

>look, i found a picture of a horse!! holohoax debunked!!!

here they come

that is true, which in turn makes them abominations of humanity. that 6 number shit they got goin on comes from the supremacist religion that is steeped in bullshit. 6 here 6 there 6 everywhere. and they dishonour all the innocent people who met their end within those 4 years.

but why use that meme flag you fag. drop it like its hot.

yeah, bud, I'm sorry but a couple of pics don't really prove anything. Do your homework, there are reports of American soldiers finding piles of bodies/gas chambers. This is stuff you should've learned in middle school.

>here they come

yeah man watch out, logic is coming.

i think the number "6" has some special spiritual significance for the jews, thats why they keep dropping it non stop, 6 gorrilion here, 6 gorrilion there.

I maintain that jews were systematically killed in nazi germany, but not nearly as many as they claim

I assume it was somewhere near a couple of hundred thousand, which by itself is an appalling number still

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yes numerology and 6 in particular is something they have a hard on. remember that french world bank witch few years back talking about number 7 and crap? "the elite" and chosen people intermingle big time. muh secret knowledge muh destiny muh superior intelligence.

Were there even 6 million Jews in Europe?
I think even worldwide that number would be cutting it close in the 40's

>your picture is bullshit lmao
>logic

Kill yourself

>look, an empty room!!! hlocaust real xDxddx!

Ernst Zundel

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The jews

There are still Jews.

Because I would be persecuted if I publicly stated my doubts.

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There's truth behind ot not being 6mil Jews that died. Some of them lied and exaggerated to get a bit of publicity. But it did happen

what makes you think it matters?

>it did happen
Again, define "it".

What do you mean by "the holocaust"? Once THAT has been established, we can start discussing whether it happened or not. Because by "the holocaust" they usually mean "the massive extermination of 6 gorillion jews in the gas chambers of concentration camps in the countries occupied by Germany, particularly Poland" which, as you have already explained, didn't actually happen. So if by "the holocaust" you mean something else, define it.

There isn't a single autopsy report that confirms that anybody got gassed in german captivity.

why do you say this?

there were over 11 million jews in europe, plus 3 million more in russia. over 6 million fewer after the war.

where did they go?

Stop being stupid.

sad to see you put up such an obvious denier fake - here is the full sequence, which show the whole process.

now you know the truth I trust you will never post that fake again.

there are no laws against investigation. there are laws against lying about it. You find the truth you can publish it. the truth is it happened.

Can't wait to see this used in your video Kraut, or maybe not actually used and only references as "proof" of something.

so what are the numbers you use, and where do you get them from? please show us this basic math.

The real victims of genocide were countries of Eastern Europe and Germany. Just look at the victim figures....
All other countries didn't do shit.

I got myself expelled in middle school when I immigrated in France, because I argued with the female teacher. They study that De Gaulle radio call from UK to frenchmen to "resist" was a hero act. I was trying to explain that that was absurd, he ran off the 1st chance he got because he was too scared of ze germanz

>1.Leuchter and Rudolph proved the alleged as chambers are a lie.
but their reports are both junk science. Took samples illegally from the wrong places, failed to properly analyse them, made stupid assumptions, both have been utterly debunked

also, even if they were right, and they are not, how do you account for the million people that were taken to Auschwitz and the 900,000 at Treblinka who just disappeared? Oh apart from the mass graves and the testimony of the guards and the commandant, and the still existing ruins of the gas chambers and the crematoria, and all the documents about the need for more ovens to cope with the new influx, and the mass of design documents that mention gas chambers and dead body rooms, and the enormous mass of documents about mass killing of jews, slavs gypsies and others that the Nazis left behind?

because there were still millions of jews int eh world who travelled from all over the world to found the state? Adults, not three year old babies?

why would this be an issue for you? Really?

The fact that it never happened makes me think it never happened. Wow.

The total LACK OF PROOF convinced me.

>now you know the truth I trust you will never post that fake again.
We both know he will.

That dead person obviously died of famine. You realise that, don't you?

True. But the holocaust is much more remembered due to the atrocity of the process. When we look at the victims figures you are absolutely right but in the end it is just a number for most people and they remember more what shocked them.

>famine
God digits of truth. The allies had a hard campaign of destroying german ration factories and farms and shipments and shit. But that corpse also shows tuberculosis.

As for the french fag, I'll ask for the third time ITT: define "the holocaust".

>the supposed Auschwitz death toll has shifted by millions.

no it hasn't. from shortly after the war end the historians in the west (jewish and non jewish) settled on a figure of about a million jews killed at Auschwitz I, II and III and the forty sub camps, most at III (Auschwitz Birkenau) by mass murder in gas chambers, but also at the other camps.

the soviet figure of 4 million people killed there did not specify jews - we know hundreds of thousands of soviet prisoners of war were killed at Auschwitz, as well as many others - and while that figure was exaggerated it was never accepted by the western historians.

as for the wonderful holiday camp facilities - these were mostly at the labour camp, Auschwitz I, and the pool was for the guards. Guess who went horseriding.

it was an extermination centre, on an industrial scale. look at the german documents. stop being a fool.

as for "some killed by einsatzgruppen" would "some" be about three million people? that is a vast number, and to say they are not special - they were not specially picked out, they were not divided from the rest of the population and murdered en masse specially - well that is at best disingenuous.

I really do not get why people are deniers. if you are a nzi fan surely you want to praise how good they were at killing millions of jews. If you just hate jews, surely you want to celebrate that mass murder. deniers are just nazis who feel guilty about it. as they should, but they do not realise that feeling guilty about doing something means that what they are doing is wrong, adn that they don't really think it is right.


deniers feel sorry for the millions murdered, but just don't have the moral courage to face their own humanity.

This jewish newspaper written in 1919 which has several mentions of a holocaust where six million jews perished.

He couldn't have died to gas because he was that skinny is what you are trying to say?

>i dont expect the actual number of jews killed in the camps to be bigger than a 500,000- 1 million

why? where did you pull this figure from?

Not him, but they are loading one corpse to one of four depicted cremation ovens (Auschwitz had 9). ONE person, not dozens who were told to take a shower in a packed room and given gas instead. Being loaded in a cremation oven that takes hours, possibly even over half a day, to turn a body into ashes.

The current official toll of gassings in Auschwitz alone is of 1+ million jews (since the '90s, after being forced to lower it from the alleged 4+M).
ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005189
>It is estimated that the SS and police deported at least 1.3 million people to the Auschwitz complex between 1940 and 1945. Of these, the camp authorities murdered approximately 1.1 million.
They are all supposed to have been cremated, of curse, because there were no bodies to show. But given what I explained in the previous paragraph, that is logistically impossible.

Also, seeing as how the corpse clearly had tuberculosis, they HAD to cremate it to avoid the disease from spreading even more.

Why? I went to private Christian School and didn't have it shoved down my throat. My wife went to public school and had a week long Holocaust shaming with special guests. Why?

And why exactly would one waste precious gas and effort on a person that CANNOT even walk into your gaschamber and is about to die in five minutes anyway?

I'm on the fence here. Could you point me to the documents you mention in the last sentence?

By the way, assuming 9 furnaces that miraculously cremated 4 people a day each and worked 24/7 for the 5 years between '40 and '45, the most jews that could've been cremated totals under 66K. 65,700, ignoring leap years. Let's say 65,880 if each year had had 366 days.

To cremate even half of the 1.1M number, let's say 500K, and assuming every furnace ran 24/7 and miraculously cremated 4 people a day for 5 years, you'd need about 70 furnaces. Imagine not only procuring, but wasting all that carbon during war times.

Millions of bodies through that one oven?

back at you.
1> inefficiency. Killing 1.1 million at auschwitz took time and effort and resources - you complain that a few survived?
2> They wrote about the aspects of the war they were involved in - the mass murder in the eastern European camps and the ones in germany were not part of their experience.
3> Auschwitz was also a labour camp. you know this. No one ever said it was solely for extermination. it had a large number of non jewish inmates as well. stop asking stupid questions that have been long debunked, it makes you look even worse.
5> they did shoot a lot. But not in civilised western european countries under relatively stabel occupation. Consider the massacre at Oradour sur Glane - SS burn church full of people, wiping out village. this is shocking because it happened in France , once. It happened all over the Ukraine. thy brought that tactic from the Eastern Front. They only did it once, because there was fear of a general uprising in France in protest.
5> that is a plain lie. Masses of documents, including orders and even trials of german soldiers who had killed jews without permission - the crime being that it was not their job, they should have given them to the Einsatzgruppen to murder.
6) 7) the euphemisms were understood. Perhpas they wanted to keep it secret to stop the panic of the jews? Like the way they had sight screens at Auschwitz and Treblinka so that those getting off the train could not see the crematorium they marched towards. Also, there are records of private speeches by Himmler and letters and diaries that speak more plainly about this - they talk openly about the extermination of the jews.
8) only in certain places in the camp. other parts are built on hilly upland. Also, the pyres were not necessarily in deep pits.
9) there were conflicting claims - yes. Not by all historians, not by all authorities, and not by all witnesses. Wars are messy, it takes time to sort out the truth

>Not him, but they are loading one corpse to one of four depicted cremation ovens (Auschwitz had 9). ONE person, not dozens who were told to take a shower in a packed room and given gas instead.
They could have chosen to take 1 corpse just to keep the process clear for the photo, there is nothing saying that there isn't a dozen more corpse not shown in the picture and going to be incinerated once the photo is over.

>They are all supposed to have been cremated, of curse, because there were no bodies to show.
There were bodies to show once the camps were captured by the allies and that's what they did. Regularly they (the soldiers) would show them to the Germans to make them aware of the holocaust.

Obviously not.
might have worked though...

Which German documents should I be looking through?

>And why exactly would one waste precious gas and effort on a person that CANNOT even walk into your gaschamber and is about to die in five minutes anyway?
Germans were tight about procedure and people can survive surprising amount of times even when they are that skinny, definitely one or two days that can be further prolonged if he gets a little food, executing him was much more reliable than letting him starve.

>They could have chosen to take 1 corpse just to keep the process clear for the photo, there is nothing saying that there isn't a dozen more corpse not shown in the picture and going to be incinerated once the photo is over.
Nice way to ignore my point about logistic impossibility.

>There were bodies to show once the camps were captured by the allies and that's what they did. Regularly they (the soldiers) would show them to the Germans to make them aware of the holocaust.
Yes, but not 1.1 million bodies. Not even 100K million bodies.

The bodies found in mass graves are of those who had died from non-contagious disease (those who died of Tuberculosis or Typhus or shit like that were cremated) or famine.

And I'll ask for the fourth time: Define "the holocaust". Because we're talking nebulous shit here. Do tell what "the holocaust" means, and I'll gladly tell you where you're right and where you're wrong. Now, if by "the holocaust" you mean "the systemic extermination of 6 gorillion jews through gassing in the german concentration camps during WWII, specially the polish ones even though originally it was supposed to be the german ones but those got checked during the Nuremberg trials and no gas chambers were found, so it was the ones that were in control of the russians at the time. No, seriously" then, clearly, THAT did not happen.

Ah, wait, I knew I had a picture of that.

Because I'm not one for conspiracy theories and the Holocaust is the biggest conspiracy theory going and the evidence to support it is laughable.
>I swear they killed six gorrilion and burned all the evidence
>I swear there was a final solution, Hitler said so we just can't find out where
>I swear the Nuremberg trials were legit and the testimony offered wasn't from tortured memes
>There doesn't need to be bodies, ashes goyim, ashes

>Germans were tight about procedure
Explain?
>executing him was much more reliable than letting him starve
Not at all. No drinking for the whole camp would solve your "problem" within a week. Guaranteed. Try it, you'll see I'm right.
And how about that oven?

>Nice way to ignore my point about logistic impossibility.
Explain.

Also you have never once asked me to define the holocaust prior to now. To me the holocaust is the nazi process of ethnic cleansing in germany and the conquered territories, from the eisatzgruppen operations in eastern Europe until the death camps, that did concern Jews but not only them.

I bet you never noticed that almost ALL camp survivors on almost ALL pictures are cleanshaven. Some, just some fashion types, have a well trimmed beard. Haircuts all military style. Tell me about that. What does it mean?
Check:
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No legitimate evidence.

>people can survive surprising amount of times

>No drinking for the whole camp would solve your "problem" within a week. Guaranteed.
Auswitz was also a labor camp, those who were deemed fit to work were sent to work until they were chosen for extermination. Taking away the water would have made it just an extermination camp and that's not what the nazis had in mind

You evade the subject, holocauster. Industrialized mass extermination happened you say. So why not just dehydrate your victims to kill them? Not cruel enough? Too cruel?

10) The gas chambers were ventilated afterwards. In addition Sonderkommando who removed the bodies (who were prisoners who were killed after a few weeks in any case) wore gas masks.
11) the original claim came from a mistaken acronym - RIF - on german soap. It was for Reich industry Fat, but some (thinking perhaps of the propaganda from WW! when British press claimed the Germans made soap out of British war dead) meant "Juden" fat. Given the rest of the horrors that the nazis did obviously do, one can understand the willingness to believe it. but that mistake has been corrected, and no-one now claims that (no one serious anyway - deniers like to claim they do of course) Similarly the other claims
12) Those claims were based on non-eyewitness accounts. people speculated about what happened - and a witness on a cold morning may have seen the water vapour of thousands of people breathing their last gasps being vented from the gas chambers. Again, you know people who were eyewitnesses on 9?11 say there were no planes, that it was men in black with explosives that did it?
14) Wiesel wrote about his mother and sister being seperated, the men going to the other side, the females and children marched off to death adn then "Never shall I forget that night, the first night in camp, which has turned my life into one long night, seven times cursed and seven times sealed. Never shall I forget that smoke. Never shall I forget the little faces of the children, whose bodies I saw turned into wreaths of smoke beneath a silent blue sky."
He did not witness the gas chamber, he was sent to the labour camp.
15) not true, but whatever lets you sleep at night.
16) search "Treblinka gold rush" then come back and apologies for this outright lie.
17) false. it lies in thousands of documents, archaeology and confessions,as well as survivor testimony. It did leave a mountain of evidence

>(((illegally)))
Why go to the trouble of rounding people up, shipping them all over in trains, death roller coasters and eagles, etc. if you are just going to kill them anyway? Pic related.

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>no mass graves ever found

>>Nice way to ignore my point about logistic impossibility.
>Explain.
Reread and >you have never once asked me to define the holocaust prior to now
>As for the french fag, I'll ask for the third time ITT: define "the holocaust".

>the holocaust is the nazi process of ethnic cleansing in germany and the conquered territories, from the eisatzgruppen operations in eastern Europe until the death camps, that did concern Jews but not only them
Other than the term "death camps" and up to a point the way you use the term "conquered territories", there's nothing false about what you said. Nazi Germany clearly wanted to cleanse its country from mainly jews, but also gypsies, blacks, gays and other few groups. Hell, Hitler even had an edict where he gave the jews I think 3 years to leave, and they were leaving in droves for Palestine 'til England, which controlled Palestine at the time, closed the border, and then they mass-emigrated to the US. But a bunch stayed, so he sent them to concentration (not death) camps, together with the other undesirable groups, from where the Nazis planned to deport them once the war was over.

In that way, there WAS an ethnic cleansing (and social cleansing, if we consider their detainment of gays and the very few non-jew pornographers there were too) in Nazi Germany. But not a genocide.

As for conquered territories, by which you most likely mean Poland and France, Hitler wasn't really expanding. When it comes to Poland, he was butt buddies with its ruler before the war, but then the guy died and a communist jew took control of the country and wasn't only forming an army in the border around Germany himself getting ready to invade, but there was also the issue with actual genocide of Germans going on in Poland at the time, so he attacked Poland preemptively, and was meaning to stop the occupation after the war. A similar thing with France, who were the ones who declared war on Germany first.

That they were treated for lice?

(((cohen-cidence)))
awful lot of those seem to always surround (((you know who))), don't they?

>the Jew always cries out in pain as he strikes you

I'm not evading the subject idiot, I literally told you that they were also used as labor until they were scheduled for extermination. Ask any manager what happens when you dehydrate your workers and you will have your answer.

I see, and their clothes were disinfected with what and where exactly?

Morale of their men was a consideration though, besides the fact that starving men would be more likely to revolt or try and escape. The Nazis did note (I think) that shooting those they wanted to kill in the back of the head was not only inefficient but also caused psychological stress for the men who had to do it. No matter how much you hate a certain group of people killing them individually over and over without resistance is mentally damaging

>Auswitz was also a labor camp, those who were deemed fit to work were sent to work until they were chosen for extermination
So wait. By official numbers, they detained 1.3M jews, and out of those, 1.1M (85%) were deemed unfit to work and exterminated?

Man, I thought the Germans were supposed to be efficient.

The lack of all evidence and jews being the snivelling kikes they have always been. Why would anyone believe them?

The fact that it is illegal saying so.

Allies bombed all trains going into camps. And destroyed any ways to get supplies into the camps.

The died do to the allies.

And there is now way 6,000,000 died.

Relax, now explain why in your "extermination" camps the evil Nazi's did not just dehydrate their "victims". Leave the workcamps out of this please.