Redpill me on the soyboy phenomenon.
I'm a facility coordinator at a private high school and I've definitely noticed a decline in the general masculinity of young men. Besides adopting practices I would've considered queer at their age they also seem to be much younger at their ages than my friends and I were (and I'm only 27).
Is this soyboy shit real or just in my head?
>Is this soyboy shit real
yes.
it's also why the teen girls have mom hips at age 12.
It’s from drinking milk, not soy. What do you think changes your hormones more; drinking a plant or drinking another mammals bodily fluids loaded with hormones that are nearly identical to your own? Gee I wonder.
We've been drinking milk forever though
People drank milk for thousands of years. It's got something to do with the food and water supply
I don't think oral ingestion of hormones works the way you think. Processed soy is notably bad. But not because you eat hormones that survive digestion.
>milk today is the same as milk pre industrial era
Fucking idiots. Enjoy your shrinking balls goys.
>me and my friends were really mature and grown up when we were 16
Shut the fuck up OP
>drinking a plant
which is filled to the brim with estrogen
>drinking another mammals bodily fluids
Whites have been drinking milk from other animals since the beginning of time. SOY is new. Guess which one has been fucking us?
It's very real. It's very intentional. Look around at all the food, all of it has some manner of soy in it. US government gives massive subsidies for american farmcorps to grow nothing but soy. The whole idea is to create a generation of passive and weak men who will not resist enemy invasions.
Literally the only way you can defeat a burger is to turn him into soyim.
Yeah it's totally the soy and not our sedentary lifestyles
I meant physically. Only to the extent that we were exhibiting pretty obvious external signs of adult masculinity - facial/body hair, increased physical strength, etc. Not that we were LE MATURE FOR MY AGE.
The last graduation class was filled with kids who looked like they hadn't hit the halfway point in puberty.
>filled with estrogen
No one is dumb enough to think phytoestrogens = mammal estrogen, troll harder.
>I meant physically
Yea, Im sure you guys were so strong and everyone thought you were in your 20s even though you were 16.
Its almost like what you consider "adult" changes from when you are a kid to when you are an adult.
It's more than just diet. It's vaccines, upbringing, plastics, medications, estrogen in water etc
Got a photo of me and my mates at our senior rugby awards - among plenty of other photos - and I can tell you the difference isn't just in my head.
>Thinking that american free market edition milk spiked with hormones and antiobitcs is anything like normal milk.
Is there any actual scientific evidence for this, though?
the bigger problem is that the kids nowadays are inactive. they become overweight, and the extra fat aromatizes their testosterone into estrogen, which further decreases testosterone production.
actually, the one thing Obama did right was cut their school lunch calories to get them in shape, and the ungrateful little bitches rebelled and demanded to keep their calorie-fueled high estrogen levels.
school lunch should be banned
Some. I’ve read however that the effects of soy are so miniscule that they can be undetectable in induviduals.
>It’s from drinking milk
Says the lactose intolerant nigger. You stick to your food and we'll stick to ours. And I'll accept that fried chicken is an overlap between the two groups.
nah, just ban the damn breakfast pogram
Yep, the handful of pubes on your face sure was a sign that you had rushed through puberty.
Eat sauerkraut it helps to stop xenoestrogen damage.
lol some burger must have taken some shart on you to merit that burn
I'm pretty sure my T levels are negative and I dropped 13kg like it was nothing
I could definitely buy this as an explanation. The school I teach at cut their phys ed department in favor of "post-lunch track time" that nobody does "optional after-school phys ed" that nobody attends.
it's because their parents were in their late 30s when they had them, also why there's a rise in developmental disorders
>which is filled to the brim with estrogen
it's literally not though, in fact it has traces of a chemical that block the production of estorgen in your body (you'd never be able to drink enough to notice an effect, but it's there)
meanwhile factory farmed dairy milk comes from cows that have literally the chemical of estrogen injected into them their entire lives so they're always lactating
it's a funny insult to call liberals but it's telling how many dipshits on here get their scientific knowledge from memes
Found the milklet. You’ll never know what it’s like to be a real man. Kek.
How does american milk taste like? I’ve heard that it’s putrid.
All mammal milk contains estrogen and other hormones, doesn’t matter where or how it is procured. It is literally a bodily fluid.
Some of it has to do with the change in perception of your peers as you grow up. Kids generally perceive themselves older than they are.
Another part is the insane amounts of soy and other hormone shit in everything these days.
Another part is our sedentary lifestyle, physical activity stimulates testosterone.
ITS TURNING THE FRICKIN FROGS GAY!!!
Milk in America is not like milk I have had anywhere else. It would be more safe to call it "milk drink" thank actual milk. It tastes different, it has a much different texture and it feels like pure goy. Keep in mind the USA does not have the food standards that the EU does with regards to hormones and antibiotic injections.
t. lactose intolerant inferior race
Stay buttblasted that you can't consume the white mans drink.
>chad meme
Boys seem to fill out much later and don't get the mass on their upper bodies like we did. By 14/15 we had all begun to broaden out. I'd say the average height by 15 was about five foot nine with quite a few already above six feet.
Don’t you love the taste of Freedom(tm).
It has a minimum height & healthy weight. Milk gave me bones so strong I've never had one broken.
If testosterone levels had decreased and estrogen levels increased then increased height growth would follow.
Western European men come off to me as being very low test. They make fun of Americans for being fat, but they all have "twink" bodies.
We're not allowed to have non-pasteurized foods (where they boil it to remove bacteria).
I think this is why we are having lactose problems when our ancestors didn't.
Hell, there are certain types of cheeses that are ILLEGAL in burgerland, home of the free.
Does this include sauerkraut? If so that would suck as you can't get any probiotics from it.
I'm not aware of such a program. Kids are already overweight on average, taking away lunch can only improve things. Making their cells insulin resistant is antithetical to the goals of education.
Milklets, when will they learn? Bet the jews are happy to see you goys ate up their milk marketing so easily ;^) milk made you so strong & smart. Good goys.
Are you insecure about your masculinity OP?
Just make it yourself, literally as easy as mixing two things together and doing nothing.
I drink milk all the time, and kefir as well. I would just never drink American milk because it is disgusting. Because you don't have the same standards your dairy cows are regularly injected with hormones and antibiotics, which we legally can not do here. The main difference comes because Europe practices extensive farming, whereas America has intensive farms. Each one of our dairy cows legally needs to have a certain amount of land for grazing on, whereas your cows are crammed into cells and up to their udders in their own shit. This causes disease outbreaks, which requires antibiotic injections. The puss from the udder infections, the antibiotics, and the hormones used to make them grow faster are all passed along through their milk to the USA consumer. We do not get that.
You are drinking literally the most goy milk on the planet. Enjoy your goy feed, shill.
only consume meat from animals you hunted yourself and vegetables you planted yourself. only drink water from pure mountain springs. anything else turns you gay within seconds
Nah we can have sauerkraut, and kombucha too, which makes the prohibition of certain kinds of dairy even more retarded.
Too lazy. I got a kit to make my own beer at home and all you have to do is mix everything together and wait, but I couldn't even be bothered to get it going. I'd rather just go to the store and buy it.
Actually I'm genuinely worried about wtf we're doing to our kids. I'm married and considering having a child with my wife and I'm low-key terrified of the world they might grow up in.
All cows milk has hormones. It’s a bodily fluid. But you already knew that right goy? ;^)
Beer-at-home is more difficult than sauerkraut because you actually care about ratios. With sauerkraut you can fuck it up pretty badly and still have a decent product.
You'd really risk soy-tampered kraut?
This, they did not homogenize milk back then, today they also skim nutrients out of the milk to sell it supplements
If you want the real nutritional value of milk, you need your own personal cow
better be high-key terrified. still do it though plz, someone has to
the problem isn't the processing of milk. all milk undergoes is heating for 7-15 seconds (depending on what temperature is being used and how long it should last in storage). the problem is the hormones and antibiotics being injected into cows
Are you having the child or is your wife?
>Not addressing the argument at all
>Not addressing the fact that American dairy cows are injected with hormones while European cows aren't
>Not addressing the fact that American cows are injected with antibiotics and European dairy cows are not
American education.
Dumb fuck, they were drinking unhomogenized milk
>natural hormones
>americana med cocktail
Choose one.
It is not soy. It is not lifestyle. It is evolution. Our modern society has alleviated many evolutionary pressures. High testosterone and the resulting personality are selected against.
Example: ADHD. This is in fact TWO different syndromes. One is characterized by a generally impaired mental capacity, but the other one is caused by what you may call 'boredom'. These people are adapted to achieve a form of hyperfocus on important tasks while suppressing any distractions. However, this most of the times leads to 'disruptive' behaviour in school as children tend to simply drift off if teaching is not engaging enough. This form of ADHD is driven by two parameters: a certain variant of the dopamine receptor (DRD4-7R) as well as by testosterone acting on the brain.
We have simply indirectly selected against high testosterone in males by propagating a 'harmonious' and obedient society for the last few generations. Whites are degenerating and slowly feminized on a genetic level ... the effects now become evident.
I may elaborate on this, just ask me...
>not understanding a mammals bodily fluid contains that animals naturally occurring estrogens no matter what
Milklets are incapable of grasping even elementary concepts about biology and nutrition. Sad!
nice try nigger, if you don't drink milk you're not white
this, research for yourself and make damn sure you take everything into account
If you are still worried about all this I would assume your genetic makeup has not been 'homogenized' yet by our society. Still, our modern life does put a severe reproductive penality on higher testosterone males. Your children will be fine but they will have a hard time in the future if society does not change.
Once again I drink milk every day, what I do not drink is AMERICAN milk. Do you completely lack the ability to grasp the crux of the argument I am putting forward? There is nothing wrong with milk. There is however a lot wrong with AMERICAN milk.
It's hormones they give to cows to produce way more than normal milk. Added to that 24/7 screen time and and no physical activity from playing outside.babycenter.com
LITERALLY no evidence that hormones and antibiotics affect the quality or nutrition content of the milk at all
How does the concept of "genetic feminization" even work?
>assuming that actually impacts body chemistry significantly
If you're so smart, why do you still believe in memes
Why do these fail to mention that High Testosteron means earler balding?
procede...
Hey you again. Sorry that I couldn’t join the discord back then. I had already gone to bed. What’s your nick? I’ll send a friend invitation at night.
As to the topic of this thread. I don’t actually agree with that hypothesis, simply because high masculinity is still selected for at induvidual level. Although I wonder how does this compare to china’s transition from a warrior to philosopher society?
Good goy, so smart and strong! You’d never let anyone get between you and your precious milk, right? It’s good for you, always remember that! Why else would you be drinking gallons of it a year? Good goy, shhh, good goy. ;^)
Yeah it’s just a meme, but drinking a plants phytoestrogens will give you tits. Kek. Milklets are the gift that keeps giving.
Selection for alleles which produce less testosterone and traditionally masculine qualities.
All I know is Jap men are low T and Japs tend to eat a lot of tofu (soy) and they live longer than almost anyone else on earth.
But they also have the lowest birth rate, so that seems to be an issue too.
Tofu and most actual soy products don’t contain to my understanding phytoestrogens. Ironically literal soy doesn’t cause soyboynes.
>It's evolution
>Evolution forces species to adapt to continue existing
>Whites are becoming a minority (dying out)
>Whites are degenerating on a genetic level
Get your fake news stories straight you mongoloid.
This. I doubt many of us exercise or move about as much as those in our fathers' and grandfathers' generations
Considering how mutations stack and people are having children older and older there is a reason for worry.
They started adding the hormones in the early 90s right before we all became blimpos.
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Most of the nations we export our milk to are more manly than metro-sexual Eurocucks, though. Explain that, fag.
Evolution. Yes it still acts on us! Our society does not favor men with high testosterone anymore. Testosterone in males has two effects: it increases raw intellect and decreases what you would consider 'social skills'. For example, an Aspie would be considered an extreme case of 'male brain' due to excess testosterone (mostly due to the mother's testosterone levels during pregnancy).
And now consider who is most successful in our society. Not those more close to Aspies, that I can tell you. No, those with less testosterone, those wo are socially more amenable are the 'successful' ones nowadays.
Our school system alone demands a high degree of conformity to rules and this is in stark contrast to the effects of testosterone on male youth. Socialist ideals make this worse as they will try to make people 'equal' by dragging the more capable ones down to the lowest common denominator. And if you fail at school or in society in general ... well, it WILL affect your later chance of successfully reproducing and having a high number of children.
And 'manly' behaviour stereotypes (at least in whites) do strongly correlate with raw intellect. So our society is selecting against both ... manliness AND intelligence. We are simply slowly turning dumber and feminized.
I actually wonder what kind of people in general reproduce in the west.
It's homogenization, and they remove trace nutrients to sell them back to you again as nutritional supplements
They'd be wasting money if they didn't make you buy it twice
Let's hope Trump can unlock the mysteries of space soon enough, or else the human race won't be around much longer.
This makes a certain amount of sense.
Combine the pharmacological side of this with the psychological side and there's a nuclear bomb in our culture.
Did anybody in here see the thread in Sup Forums the other day about the dad who found his teenaged son passed out in his room with what turned out to be "sissy hypnosis" audio porn blaring out of his computer speakers? I wasn't familiar with the stuff beforehand but a google search showed me some /x/ tier shit - stuff that just reeks of MKULTRA and the like. I guess I'm more openly worried about the physical side of things but does Sup Forums think that there's also a psychological campaign of sorts?
Fuck off liar, Jesus sees right through you
You ppl are the same faggots who fob off declining birthrates in "industrialized" nations as a natural phenomenon
Fuck off liar, you fucking liars come through to reinforce one another with massive walls of text at such opportune times
And everything you say is drivel, what a coincidence
7N26TS
I think it really has to do with the decline in hunter-gatherer-adapted genotype/phenotype. I have read up a lot on this DRD4-7R dopamine receptor variant. It even correlates with political views!!
Tendentially, it makes people less interested in 'group harmony' and more prone to be free-thinking and liberal (NOT leftist pseudo-liberal, old school liberal).
Also, it had been shown that the DRD4-7R variant protects from negative peer pressure (concerning criminal and antisocial behaviour) in adolescents.
But our whole society is about conformity and peer-pressure nowadays. And evolution may act within the time of a few generations already on allele polymorphisms ... depending on the pressure the allele frequency may noticeably shift.
Oh boy, oh goy, here comes the soy.
High estrogen is better
I love female hormones
You're citing the slut gene as evidence of a decline in hunter-gatherer expression? Lmfao
Sometimes I think that this is really just a result of increased hedonism and has nothing deeper into it.
Give me a Basic Gestalt how to increase natural testosterone???
More lies to explain away that the nutritional value of our food is being intentionally lowered and our bodies starved yet full of "food"
The declining birth rates are a consequence of a cultural marxist society to which whites are simply not adapted. To somebody with an old Indoeuropean genotype the stress of existing in such a society where you constantly have to adhere to the morale standards of a loud minority's and where you constantly have to suppress your nature WILL have an effect on your reproductive success. Stress in general biologically means one thing for your body: it is not time to reproduce now, better invest your energy into survival. Modern society fucking STERILIZES the white man! Only the genetic dregs may prosper in such a world. Humanity really IS on the brink.
Great refutal. Im with her now!