Sup Forums, what the fuck is with ad-gag laws?
Why do we allow ourselves to be so ignorant towards the blatant slaughter of animals?
Does anybody have the redpill on ad-gag laws?
My autistic ass doesn't understand why we allow these things to happen under the table.
>amerimutts itt "mmm cuz chicken taste gud"
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>ad gag
It's ag gag you cunt
Ur mom ad-gags on my dick LMAO
well how the fuck is that even a thing? why do you amerimutts allow yourselves to be blinded?
As a chickenspecialist, I van confirm that most of the things leftwingers say about animal farmers Ans slauthering is propaganda and bullshit.
Taking the picture in the OP would be enough to land you in prison in the U.S. now. What do they need to hide?
That seems to make sense, I suppose.
But there are many documentaries out there, essentially breaking these bull shit ad-gag laws with the narrative of "what it's REALLY like on the inside"... How much of that can be false, though?
And if most of it is propaganda, what the hell is the end-game to it?
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I don't necessarily think they need to be hiding anything, which is kind of my point.
What are they so scared of?
I found that image by googling "chicken slaughter"... So, why do ad-gag laws even exist when I can just google image search that shit anyways?
>blatant slaughter
well, that's why we keep them, bud
The ag company would say you were arrested for trespassing, which is a big concern because you could bring disease into the flock. Millions of chickens in the US died of a bird flu a couple years ago, so that is a legit fear they have, though the conditions themselves make the birds more susceptible.
Because Americans (like most of the ones who frequent this board) don't give a shit about how big agriculture might be poisoning them or hurting the environment, because they have been groomed to view corporate profits as the most important factor.
what the fuck is ad gag?
Also I don't care if an animal died so I could eat.
Because politically motivated cunts on a moral crusade keep filming on private property without permission in attempts to ruin the livelihood of good and productive people.
You can't even fly a plane nearby in open airspace and take pictures of such facilities with a telephoto lens. Why is that, you think?
I think you just won the thread.
I feel as if it's only "blatant" to me because I care enough to know... Some people just don't know, or even care.
Fuck, I know this shit but I still eat chicken.
What the hell is wrong with me??
Even their own workers aren't allowed to document instances of animal abuse, unsafe work conditions, or violations of environmental policies.
Oh, I know why it is. People would be upset at the conditions. I'm not a fan, just saying that would be their excuse.
Personally, I'd prefer a few more of the restrictions I hear Europe has. There are farmers in the US pushing an "animal welfare" model rather than "animal rights," to where the animals get to live better but we still get to eat them. But that will make food more expensive, and Walmart doesn't want that.
My chickens have plenty of room in their coop, and they get to come outside and graze during the day (though they won't come out in snow).
Uncle was usda inspector. He said it was the hardest job to inspect factory farms. Depressing actually. While a lot of them were in compliance, it was just a shitty place to be for humans and animals. Uncle was an avid hunter/outdoorsman, could handle blood and death...it was over inhumane treatment. at one point had death threats for threatening to shut down a larger farm for a major chicken brand for employees removing legs of the birds and watching them roll for sport. Pretty sick.
I’m all for meat, but I’d rather just raise my own cows/pigs/chickens and at least not have them suffer in life.
I fucking kek'd
You can still be an omnivore, just take steps to be a more ethical one. Eat local protein where the animals are treated more humanely during their lives. Plus they aren't pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.
Gotcha. Totally agree. And good job raising your own chickens! That's awesome.
The value of an animals life is measured by its use as a resource. Nothing more.
I agree entirely.
I am of the belief that they may even potentially taste better, if raised in humane conditions.
Their muscle/tendons would probably be more relaxed, less stressed, and therefore more tender and delicious.
Nothing wrong with killing and eating animals. You are well withing the bounds of normal
Why don't you just raise awareness to eating properly cared for animals?
Why do you have to involve the government which just leads to more collusion and wasted money.
Collective purchasing power is far stronger than any government when it comes to regulating corporations.
Maybe you believe that people need their morals and decisions made for them? Seems like you're kind of a fascist?
>ignorant to the blatant slaughter of animals
I'm cooking dinner right now what the fuck are you talking about. You think I'm under the assumption the beef in these stovies was gifted to the supermarket prewrapped in plastic from the gods? Nah, there's a cow that's fuckin dead now so I can eat. Welcome to life, queer.
Right, totally agree as well.
Thanks, it's pretty cool if you have a place to do it.
grass fed eggs taste noticeably different
That's the problem with 'representative' democracy. Broad issues are what the populace cares about, narrow ones, only the lobbyists. But yes, I have to agree, it seems like these laws couldn't, or shouldn't, be able to stand constitutional challenge.
For those who don't know, here's my stab at what Ag Gag laws are - you can't secretly record the conditions in agricultural farms, and maybe not do anything to harm their interests. I'm not fresh on it though.
Sniggered at this
Nah, bro. I'm just a fuckin' weeaboo with no means of raising awareness to "eating properly cared for animals"... That doesn't make me a fascist.
I didn't even mention involving government. I think that's a terrible fucking idea.
Eat meat. I literally do not give a fuck. I eat meat, too.
Ive just gotten into raising chickens and noticed the shells are alot thicker than store bought ones, why is this?
I've never had them, genuinely feel like I'm missing out on life.
You sure that's not just in the Netherlands? In the States you can own quite a large chicken farm and make only $20-ish K / year. Lots of incentive to squeeze costs everywhere.
Because the dumber elements in our society might freak out if they knew how their fried chicken got to that point, and we're still a few decades away from losing by the numbers automatically.
Is this how we start the race war? Get niggers to attack their own food sources for being too cruel?
That would be ideal. Unfortunately, most people are too far from the source of their food to feel any connection for it. They never even see the animals. Most people rarely even see a whole dressed chicken anymore, just pieces with the skin and bones removed so it doesn't look like anything. Or nuggets.
I met a woman who didn't eat red meat because it was raised inhumanely, but ate chicken. I had to point out to her how chickens are raised. Maybe she switched to fish, but now they're raised in barrels where it's solid fish, just enough water to keep the mass of fish alive.
The government already has limits on what you can do with livestock, just like there are limits what you can do to your pets. Some people just want to move the limits on livestock a bit closer to the limits on pets. That's all.
You have it correct. The funny thing is these laws, and the agriculture industry affect us all, but even in this thread people are trying to paint them as a liberal issue. So easily divided against our own interests.
Shells are calcium, so your birds are probably getting more calcium than theirs. The factory naturally gives them just enough to produce a shell that won't break in cleaning and shipping. Any more would be a waste. The small chicken farmer usually just puts out oyster shell or some calcium source (or they get enough grazing) and they get as much as they want.
Thank you for not being a brainlet.
Representative democracy is most definitely an issue when it comes to the challenging ad-gag laws.
> niggers ... attack ... for being too cruel
If you don't support free range for all farm animals and strong animal welfare laws you are not white. It is the moral duty of every National Socialist to care for his land and the people and animals on it.
It's noticeable in the replies to animal welfare threads that the majority of
>lel fuck animals based factory farming
Are amerimutts.
I don't believe that this should be a partisan issue, but you're right. It's almost as if you don't support ad-gag laws, you get painted as a liberal fascist (as I have been in this thread).
I think they're a lot better, but then we kept some chickens when I was little so I'm accustomed to the taste.
Might have something to do with how often they lay eggs. Just a guess but it's the best I've got. I know they can pop them out at pretty ludicrous speeds so it can't be easy getting enough calcium.
>you ameri mutts
Nothing worse than a self hating mutt
If you’re a vegan I’ll laugh at your life even harder
Unpasteurized milk tastes better and is healthier (and is illegal)
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I just don't think they understand how much better things would taste if we treated animals humanely, as opposed to beating the shit out of them within inches of their already predetermined lives.
because those are fucking delicious, and humans are carnivorous, am okay with vegetables mostly, but we need meat as well
It's ag-gag, and since we're talking so much about it:
'course the thread's about dead - the shallow memesters who'd learn the most aren't around anymore.
> The whistleblower advocacy project Food Integrity Campaign (FIC), a campaign of the non-profit organization the Government Accountability Project calls undercover video of livestock facilities by whistleblowers essential:
>>When it comes to bringing horrific truths to the public eye, undercover footage and images are often an effective outlet for whistleblowers who otherwise risk retaliation when speaking up. Going through "proper channels" to report abuse often results in supervisors intimidating those employees who have made complaints to keep quiet. Statements by Ag Gag bill sponsors imply that "real" whistleblowers have a safe and effectual means for speaking up, when history shows that's often not the case.[18]
> Ag-gag laws have also drawn criticism on constitutional grounds by eminent legal scholars such as Erwin Chemerinsky, as a violation of the First Amendment for restricting unpopular forms of speech.[19] In August 2015, a U.S. district court ruled such a law passed by the state of Idaho to be unconstitutional as a violation of the First Amendment; Judge B. Lynn Winmill stated that "Although the State may not agree with the message certain groups seek to convey about Idaho's agricultural production facilities, such as releasing secretly recorded videos of animal abuse to the Internet and calling for boycotts, it cannot deny such groups equal protection of the laws in their exercise of their right to free speech."[20]
Requiring milk sold commercially to be pasteurised is not actually a terrible idea. There may be only a handful of bacteria which pose no threat initially, but during processing, packaging, shipping, storing and sitting on a shelf those bacteria can and will multiply like crazy.
I agree though that fresh from the cow milk is dank as fuck.
weird how pol constantly berates ebonics, but then engages in ebonics of its own
See I didn't ask to be born in burgerland.
>Why do we allow ourselves to be so ignorant towards the blatant slaughter of animals?
>Muh poor animuls
Not an argument shitskin
Why do vegans not care that peta kills animals?
Here we can see a perfect example of what I am talking about.
>ignorant towards the blatant slaughter of animals
not ignorant, tolerant. i fucking love meat and getting it for cheap is nice too. that's the whole point of enormous animal farms. cheap meat.
Is representative democracy really the problem though, or is it a lazy, uninformed voting population? We could easily get rid of sitting representatives who vote against our interests in the primaries if people actually gave a shit. That's really the only way the swamp is ever going to get drained.
I'll concede that. I also enjoy cheap meat, but I think it would taste better if we didn't cram them into factories as such.
Here is a perfect example of some emotional twat who places emotion over efficiency. Notice how he doesn't have an argument besides muh feels. These kind of people are dangerous because over time they develop feels for rapefugess and will value subhumans as much as normal people.
There's no reason to keep them in inhumane conditions though.
Hawaiifag here. Id rather pay 1.99/lb for shitty treated chicken and 9.99/lb for a decent ribeye cut than 4.99/lb and 17.99/lb respectively.
Samfagging. We should give as much of a fuck about how cattle, pigs and chicken are treated for our vets and homeless vets first before shoving another moral agenda down our throat.
We just end up paying for cheap meat through indirect means: subsidies, higher fuel costs, environmental impact, healthcare costs... We are getting close to running out of effective antibiotics, in a large part due to factory farming.
Both an issue, maybe the ladder is a bigger problem. But two separate problems, nonetheless.
It's pretty sad. But yeah. They taste good and I'm human and they're not. So I eat them. You think that if chickens were capable of harvesting humans as livestock they wouldn't? Pure evil I tell you. Hell they'd likely keep harvesting their own kind.
Is factory farming the only viable means of getting cheap meat across the US? Not a rhetorical straw-man, I'm just not an economist so I genuinely do not know the answer but I have a hunch that it is...
Farmers already have to be subsidized and even then a lot of them struggle. There is a reason their suicide rate is so high.
This thread went a lot deeper than I imagined, but I'm afraid I am jumping ship now. Goodbye for now, anons.
It's really not. I work as a chef, and I can usually find locally sourced products for very competitive prices, supporting indie farmers, getting a better product, and without the huge carbon footprint.
Have you tried just not buying cheap shitty meat? If you don't think there are options you haven't looked hard enough.
Thing about it is, every load of milk is tested for bacteria using a sample taken at the farm when it's picked up, and the load is dumped if it's over the limit on anything. So they have on-the-farm testing and regulations in place now that would make raw milk plenty safe (I drink it), which they didn't have back in the day when they started pasteurizing.
The main reason they had to start was that cities were growing and dairies grew with them, so the manure load grew too, and it got harder to keep the milk clean. It didn't help that they started keeping the cows in as dairies got larger, instead of being out on pasture where they stay cleaner. And employees weren't as particular about cleanliness as a small farmer was. They had to start pasteurizing to deal with the shit in the milk (literally), or go back to smaller, pasture dairies. Big confinement dairies made milk cheaper, so they pasteurized.
t. dairy farmers' son
That's because everyone else is buying factory farmed shit. Imagine the prices if everyone started buying *insert term that is constantly switched around here.*
USDA, FSIS, and the entire big ag industry is one of the biggest travesties of American society.
The corruption is on such a massive scale - that it is essentially ...unbeatable. Chicken processing is probably the worst - hundreds of billions dying on such a massive scale - centrally located - huge chemical/pollution/contamination problems - it's a fucking mess.
The large chicken producers should be banned from practice. 5-10,000 max per plant should be the limits imposed. Speed is also a huge part of the problem.
All people in "power" in the food industry on the federal side are largely uneducated, dimwitted, and/or bought and paid for.
Raising chickens for your family is easy, cheap, and a thousand times healthier for you.
If you have to purchase from the store - buy whole chicken. Everything else is fucking disgusting.
Standard practice is pallets of raw chicken "pieces" sitting at room temp for hours on end.
On the west coast - I'd wager to say half or more of all illegal aliens are 95% of employees at these large slaughterhouses. The rest are criminals. They work 12+ hours, double shifts, no overtime, no holidays ...5-7 bucks an hour
Pork is similar - plus the huge environmental pollution these places produce, rampant disease, and speed of production.
Beef is alright - save from ..those cull cows with abscesses all over - with the owners insisting on selling it. The chemical adulterants are easily sorted by the end customer.
The worst part of all of this is the farmer producing these animals. They "know" when they sell sick animals. The afflicted disease will be in the entire fucking lot, and the slaughterhouses are more than fucking happy to buy the lots at a reduced price. There's an entire idustry of "middlemen" out there buying the sick animals from farmers, rounding them up - and selling lots to slaughterhouses. Easy money for them - but entirely fucking immoral.
Ok let's put some facts down then you unempathetic piece of shit
>Factory farming produces an incredibly concentrated amount of waste which leaks back into you water supply at a much higher density than animals spread over fields
>Factory farming has accelerated the rate at which we need new antibiotics for animals at an exponential rate and we are almost out of new antibiotics
>Factory farming produces shit tier quality meat compared to free range
>Factory farms are massive employers of illegal immigrants. They get caught regularly, slapped on the wrist and carry on breaking the law
>Factory farms have a shocking health and safety record
The solution is not "indie" but rather - decentralized. The factory farms should be broken up across multiple owners on smaller lots across multiple counties. Slaughterhouses should be decentralized as well - and the grocers stocking meat should all get their produce locally.
I think feeding 5,000 people off your products should really be the limit for farmers, slaughterhouses, groceries, etc.
Yes there is: profit margins. They are animals, not humans. “Inhumane” need not apply.
working at a slaughterhouse should for a week should be mandatory for anyone eating meat. you'd shut the fuck up real quick if you ever step foot into a large scale plant.
Factory farming does make meat cheaper in the grocery store. However, a lot of the price of meat in the grocery store goes to various middlemen, shippers, marketing, etc. If you go directly to a small farmer, you can usually get better meat even cheaper than the store. My last half-hog worked out to $2.25/pound. You can't find bacon, pork chops, ham, and sausage for that price very often, and you can't find the same quality in the store at all.
So factory farming keeps the farm price down enough that everyone else in the agribusiness/grocery chain can get their cut and still keep food prices down, which is important for food stamps and school lunches and other government programs. But if you go around that system, you can do better.
Factory farms don't have to be as bad as they are, either. Animals can be let out into pens to get some sunlight part of the day. They can simply be given more room. I've been in hog buildings where the mother sows can't turn around. They can lie down to nurse their pigs or stand up to eat and shit. Just making the pens twice as big so they can move around would be an improvement. But then the building would cost a little more per hog....
eating meat can't be justified any longer and soon only literal subhumans will continue to do it.
Nothing large scale but I have slaughtered chicken and rabbits before. It's not a big deal. Only thing that stuck with me is when I had to beat a hare to death with a tire iron after I ran him over and turned him quadriplegic. That was nasty.
nothing wrong with killing animals to eat them. I'm just referring to conditions that exist at large scale production plants.
I like eating meat - and enjoy killing the chicken I toss on the smoker. I enjoy and respect the responsibility.
You could at least post some necklacing eyebleach after that, you monster
My dad, a farmer, says when they first packed thousands of chickens into a building, he didn't think they'd be able to do it with hogs. They did. Then they did it with dairy cows. I've never been on one of the really big places. I've been in a building with several hundred hogs, and that was enough. Constant squealing from fighting or pushing to get back to the feed, makes you deaf after a while.
Outside, with some mud to root around in, they're content, grunt once in a while, and healthy without pumping antibiotics in them. Tasty, too.
The big crux with regulation in these sorts of places is only needing ONE vet to assess the health of the animals per 12 hour shift.
I hate to admit it - but 90%+ of these vets fall into three categories -retired(old age, etc.) - they couldn't handle their own practice(weak willed) - or (and this is the majority of cases unfortunately) they're legit criminals. I know of at least two who were actual pedophiles (they both molested their prepubescent daughters).
When someone DOES decide to stir the shit in one of these places - execs call DC and bitch at why their generous donations are only causing problems at their plants. Offender will be "moved" or "replaced'...repeat ad infinum.
>tfw you get redpilled on milk
I AM ANGRY, ANGRY ABOUT MILK. WHERE IS MY RAW MILK IN A BOTTLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.