Should Hitler have allied with the Soviet Union?

In June 1941, Nazi Germany began the invasion of Russia. For what purpose?

Why did he start the war with the Soviets? What was his primary purpose in invading in 1941? Contrary to popular conception, the main motivation was neither lebensraum (this could wait) nor the fear of an immediate Communist threat (a popular German myth during and after the war) - but to crush the Allies' hope for victory by destroying any possibility of Continental opposition; to force Britain, which could rely mostly only on air and naval power, out of a continental land war. To end the war.

Evidence for this:
On 27/12/1940, in response to Admiral Raeder's insistence on concentrating all German resources against England, Hitler replied "This cannot be done until England's last continental hope is eliminated." In 1941 he wrote that Russia was defeated, "this will force England to make peace. Hope this year." A source taken by a Luftwaffe general, according to Irving, says on 14 June 1941 "The main enemy is still Britain." On the same day, General Halder writes in his war diary "After the attack on Russia and the evolution of his calculation that the collapse of Russia would induce England to give up the struggle." Hewel's diary, 20 June 1941: "A long conversation with the Fuhrer. Expects a lot from the Russian campaign... he thinks that Britain will have to give in." To Admiral Fricke Hitler says, on 28 October 1941, "The fall of Moscow might even force England to make peace at once."

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no, Britain should have allied with Hitler

As we can see, this did not quite work out. Which begs the question of if Hitler should have strengthened the pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union that they had established early on in the war. After all, the alliance between the communist Soviets and the capitalist Allies was not a natural one, it was born only of the common interest of eliminating Nazi Germany (which is why it disintegrated immediately after the war). The alliance of Soviet and Nazi forces - at least for the timeframe of the war - would have been a powerful disincentive for the Allies, and would have prevented the devastating failures of the Eastern Front. We can see that the invasion of Russia was counterproductive to its main purpose, and that an alliance would have been more fruitful.

During the Munich crisis, when the Western Powers and Nazi Germany battled diplomatically over Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia, Hitler paid barely any attention to the Soviets - who were allies of the Czechs. He did not fear their reprisal. He did not worry that they would use his invasion as casus belli for war against Germany, as he did with the Allies. And he dismissed the idea of Poland involving herself in this conflict for an interesting reason too; "Poland, with Russia in her rear, will have little inclination to engage in war against a victorious Germany." In other words, in 1937, Hitler sensed that the Russians may have taken advantage of a German-Polish conflict to invade Poland, remarkably prescient of the coalition that they would form several years later.

Some interesting things to note:
- In Jan 1940, Hitler says to Mussolini: "...since Stalin's final triumph Russia has been experiencing a change from the Bolshevik ideology to a more nationalist Russian way of life."
- According to the documents of Bormann, Hitler's personal secretary, he wrote on 26 Feb 1945: "The brutal manner in which [Stalin] decapitated the Jewish intelligentsia, who had rendered him such signal service in the destruction of Tsarist Russia, encouraged me..." as well as "The Stalinist empire which, in all its essentials is only the spiritual successor to the empire of Peter the Great." On the 2nd of April he writes "It is possible that under the pressure of events, the Russians will rid themselves completely of Jewish Marxism, only to reincarnate Pan-Slavism in its most fierce and ferocious form.

Toward the end, Heinrich Himmler, behind Hitler's back (which Hitler considered treasonous) began contacting Jewish associations (such as Roosevelt's Refugee Board) to begin diplomatic talks with the Allies, primarily the Americans, and on the 25 April 1945 broke with Hitler to offer capitulation to the Allies.

On the contrary, Goebbels (as well as foreign minister Ribbentrop) wanted Hitler to seek a deal with Stalin. Goebbels had always been a more radical figure in Nazism, and had more distaste for bourgeois liberal democracy and capitalism than he did for socialism. Goebbels attempted to negotiate with the commanding Russian general of the Battle of Berlin. Before he killed himself, Hitler appointed Goebbels as Reich Chancellor and Admiral Doenitz, who wanted to reach an agreement with the Allies, as Reich president. An interesting balance.

The historian Rainer Zitelmann says:
>The thesis spread by propaganda that the issue of was the defeat of Jewish-Bolshevism Hitler did not himself believe; he had concluded that Stalin pursued "a national-Russian policy, having freed himself from the Jewish influence through his purges."

The USSR's plan from the beginning was to conquer all of Europe.

Believe it or not but Hitler saved Europe with operation barbarossa. Germans ground the Soviets to a shell army. Zionists in America lobbied to resupply Stalin.

nother interesting point is that Hitler would have been better off not starting the war so early in the first place. Mussolini advised him:
>Already at the Hossbach Conference in November 1937, he said that he had to assume that Germany's "problems" must be solved before 1943-45, when time would turn against Germany, when the rearmament of the Western democracies against her would be completed. His friend Mussolini advised him against this - and not only because Italy was not ready for war in 1939. Time was not working for Britain and France, he wrote Hitler. They would not sustain a disciplined and severe program of rearmament against a National Socialist Germany and a Fascist Italy, strong and resplendent across Europe. Hitler, who believed in the innate superiority of National Socialism to the outdated liberalism of the West, should have listened to Mussolini, who was largely write; but for reasons peculiar to him, did not. That was probably the most important miscalculation of his statesmanship, and led to his undoing. Two other mistakes were his misreading of the British, especially in the summer of 1940, and his consequent conviction that he ought to attack his Russian neighbour no later than in the early summer of 1941.
Historian John Lukacs, the Hitler of History

Hitler pushed for an early war out of fear that his death was near and his goals were Germany would be left unfinished. Many of his medical issues toward the end of the war, though not illegitimate, were certainly fueled and exaggerated by his anxiety (as they tend to be).

But even Hitler didn't believe that user, if you look at the evidence I presented. And secondly, what interest would the Soviets have in conquering all of Europe? Ideological? No, by that point practicality and statesmanship had overruled idealism. What could the Soviets have gained from owning all of Europe? And how could they possibly do it?

*largely right, even

>what interest would the Soviets have in conquering all of Europe?

The same reasons (((they))) want to conquer Europe now. A one world government where the gentiles are ruled from Jerusalem.

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PostWW1 Germany and USSR were both political pariahs whom had a lot of revanchism in common so they worked together from early days since both were under have resourse and political pressure from rest of the world. Their cooperation was a lot more complex, deeper and old than Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Both of them also played political game with Britain since it was three-way stalemate in war for domination and backhandely they had agreements to fuck over one who go ahead of others. Brits had upper hand in diplomacy so they manipulated Germany taking a fight with unprepared USSR to bleed both of them dry.
Do they actually not teach that in your schools?

You would have made a fine soldier or pamphleteer, perhaps, but not a party official. Illusions are good emotional fuel, but poor chess pieces.

He did it to "make England see sense" in his own words

I mean, they expected to win in a few weeks

Good goy.

I'd like to hear more about Brits manipulating Germany to take a fight with the USSR. How was this achieved?

Natsoc and Communism are as incompatible as Natsoc and Capitalism

In a perfect world both Hitler and Stalin would have kept their alliance up for longer so that they could take out the west first since the turbokiked Anglos turned out to be the biggest problem, but in reality it would have always ended with a confrontation between the Reich and the USSR

They also manipulated USSR to take a fight with Germany at the same time.
Its just normal British external politics and diplomacy which worked for them since the day they became world power and managed to jew rest of the world with their founding of spy and intelligent agencies and influence methods. They even used same trick back in Napoleon days with assassination of Paul I because he was plotting to ally Napoleon.
As a Brit you should take pride in it rather than being pro-Germany.

even if moscow fell why would (((britain))) surrender?

(((They)))'d just swan off to america and "NEVER REEEEEE"

Communists are subhumans. Below the jew.

The fact is if he would have a been a little less ambitious and little more patient things would be far better in the world today.

He should have made repeated attempts to expel and deport Jews. He should have not invaded Poland and waited to Russia to make the first move, which they would have eventually. With Russia as the aggressor the whole world would have united against the commies including Hitler.

Anti-commintern pact

the whole (((world))) was against national socialism anyway, it wouldn't matter if russia inading poland first,

even in this timeline the allies guaranteed poland independence but just convineintly forgot about them after the war

Hitler was always going to be the evil baddie for the judeo-bolshevist capitalist world

No. dirty sub humans.

>For what purpose?
>Why did he start the war with the Soviets?
>What was his primary purpose in invading in 1941?
Same reason as always you commies post this pasta to start this debate on false kike and commie narrative premises.

To destroy the massive backstabbing Soviet invasion force that had already amassed on Germanies eastern border over the previous years for the explicit purpose of invading Prussia and sweeping over the rest of Germany to central Europe, instead of getting steamrolled by a heavier armed and larger commie army with the initiative (that just turned out to be even vaster than they had calculated due to help from (((Burgers))) and (((Bongs))) feeding, supplying and literally training the Soviet army) after unsurprisingly paying very careful attention to the Soviet movements than commir and kike revisionists like to claim.

Hitler never tried to invade/start a war with poland or russia. It was the jewmericans who got jealous and afraid of germanys strong growing economy who ordered the soviets to attack germany. As a reward the soviet subhumans got german weapon blueprints and german women to rape.
Fuck you russia, you deserved Tschernobyl and much more! Russians are the niggers of europe.

That is becuase you can't beat the Jew by blind force. You have out Jew him. Hearts and minds.

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