What do we do about SS, lads?

What do we do about SS, lads?
Is it a scam and insolvent ?

whats the point of fighting social security admin when illegals can vote and get free health care without it

1. Remove it
2. Yes
3. Yes

scam

Ponzi scheme
Abolish it

It's a scam in more ways than most people think.

Keep the promises the old people who got duped. Start ratcheting it down for the young until it goes away entirely. And make sure people know it's voluntary.

Good responses, lads.
Had an autistic level argument with family and was confirming I wasn't the retard in thinking this program is a scam.
>responding so you niggers don't 1 post by this ID me

my whole life these cocksucking babyboomers have been stealing money from my paychecks.

fucking why? they had their entire life to save enough money and they lived through the most prosperous time in history.

time to cut these fucking leeches off and also impose a 1 time 20% wealth tax to return the stolen funds.

no fuck you
i've been paying into it since i was 14.

Equifax gave them all away. far as i can tell they are worthless.

reform it is fine but don't just discontinue it.

It is worse than that. Boomer here. (Stuff it). I spent decades in the highest income bracket, paid well over $300K in. Started getting “my benefit” last year. About $15K per year. Pathetic. I would probably have to live to 150 yrs to break even. Meanwhile how many deadbeats have been getting money I paid in?

It worked great for several decades until tax cuts and an ever increasing burden on young people to get jobs that pay payroll tax screwed it.

>make 113 dollars for few hours of orientation of new job
>7 dollars for social security
>even less for federal tax
Serious, fuck social security.
I get my first Actual 2 week paycheck, looking at roughly 950 dollars for 2 weeks, and I know for a fact SS will be the majority of my pay taken out.

Take some laxatives and go take a shit GOP gramps. Not your personal army.

it's not voluntary

>Is it a scam

Kind of. Its a system designed to pay out at 65 when the average life expectancy was 62. Its becoming increasingly insolvent as the massive wave of boomers retire. If you're under 40 today you wont get much from it when you retire.

Already investing into my retirement. I have no debt and own all my assets and they are physically in my possession.

I'm 40. I'll never see a SS check.

Fat too many fat lowlifes are on disability too lazy to work. (administered by the SSA)

A government disability check and VIP handicapped parking spot is their way of life.

You don't actually need an SSN. That's were the hardcore scamming comes in.

But I should have phrased that differently so as to emphasize that it should be more formally elective, and also something that one could opt out of down the road should one decide it's been a mistake.

Eve though there's all sorts of original rules related to SS Numbers and how they were supposed to be used-- you pretty much do need one to work, open a bank account, take out a loan or credit card, and even function at a normal level.

This is why I, an american citizen, happily work under the table. If Trump doesn't reform shit, I'll continue to happily work under the table. I did the math on my first job while I was in high school, which I held for 5 years to pay for college, and the chunk of cash taken by big brother government (commiefornia) was nearly 50% of my paycheck for a part time gig. It's fucking bullshit.

Illegals get by without them, and immigrants just have TIDs and similar. If we're talking about SS reform there's no reason to suggest that we can't reform that part of it as well.

Eliminate it immediately. Along with medicare and medicaid. Give $12,000-$24,000 tax credit for each parent or elderly person you let live in your home (doesn't have to be a relative).

And/or set up temporary shelters for the elderly that cannot care for themselves until they die. Either way would be more cost effective than the current system, which is bankrupt anyway.

If you want an actual life, you need a SSN. Sure you could live in the woods and live kinda like primitive technology's videos, but nobody wants to.

Are we not talking about what to do about SS?

>Keep the promises the old people who got duped
Why don't they just get the money directly from their grandkids?
Why do we need to send the money to washington?

social security needs to be reformed, society needs to be reformed

If you introduce tax payers to the system, you should get a benefit for it. It takes a lot of effort to do good parenting and it pays off for the system, so there should be a reward.

gas the boomers

abolish the program

Mark of the beast

They payed in to the system expecting to be paid back. Pretty dick move to change the rules in the middle of the game. There's no reason we can't work something out to where the old people get taken care of without duping the young people into the same thing.

I'm in favor of reforming it.

Social Security Numbers make criminal impersonation and identity theft way too easy.

And illegals just use stolen or fake IDs or stolen SSNs.

Huge scam. Not counting on it whatsoever by the time I retire.

>Pretty dick move to change the rules in the middle of the game.
They are not my rules
>There's no reason we can't work something out to where the old people get taken care of without duping the young people into the same thing.
I already told you
People take care of their grandparents like the did for 1000s of years

The money is no longer there.

Look man, I agree with you about how it should be. But old people on fixed incomes are depending on that to eat on the expectation as part of their retirement planning that they would be getting their tiny little SS checks. We can afford to phase it out.

The money hasn't been there since 1933 when the US went bankrupt. In the meanwhile we can just borrow more fake money from the fed.

Well maybe if their grandkids were not forced to pay into SS they could just send them that money directly
What do we need the Federal government middle man for

I lose $150 a week to that social security scam.

That's where I'm at. Phase young people out of paying into the system. Maybe do it immediately? I don't know. Up for debate. I've seen some proposals about how to end it at nearly a net zero cost, though I haven't studied the numbers myself.

What about the people getting autismbux now and living it up on their hobbies on the NEET revolution? Those Millennials are smart. They're getting what other Millennials won't and are cashing in on social security early.

Thanks for the jew gold you minority enabler

What is wrong with people just giving the money they pay into now directly to their grandparents?

Keep paying for those boomers. They sacrificed so much for us. It's the least we can do.

That's not exactly guaranteed income considering employment uncertainty, but I guess if you wanted to start allowing people to opt out of the system, as I would like to see, then grandparents and grandchildren could decide to do that on a voluntary basis.

If all of your grandkids are unemployed you failed at life

Social Security is absolute dogshit. 1. your money is going to be worth less when they give it back 2. they have no obligation to even give it back at all 3. it depends entirely on people who aren't born yet being able to pay into the system when you retire because 4. they spend your money as soon as they get it.

Imagine if you were free to keep that money and invest it how you see fit

Literally all you'd have to do is stick your money in a fucking hole in the ground and you'll have a better chance of getting it back in 50 years

Doesn't matter, we've all been paying it. It's a Ponzi scheme, and it needs to end. The sooner we end it, the sooner you can invest the money you keep.

There's no reason to do anything about social security ever.
Money from workers goes directly to retirees. There will always be workers, and we keep importing more immigrants, and keep becoming more productive, so this formula works fine. It is the equivalent of your grandkids taking care of you when you're old, only the state manages it in case your grandkids are selfish shit heads who would rather smoke an extra ounce of weed each month than feed grandpa.
When the government taxes more from workers than it needs to pay out to retirees, the surplus into the trust fund, which is used to pay retirees during recessions and shit. But the trust fund is largely irrelevant.
Ignore all the faggot neocons who want to fuck with social security, they are just trying to get control of that money so they can milk fees from it and use it to manipulate their ponzi schemes. Everyone who tries to tell you social security is going bankrupt or insolvent or some bullshit is lying to you because they want to control all that money.

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Are you a mover?

You literally only have to work like 8 years full time to be eligible for social security meaning when you start taking it you are GUARANTEED to have money for food and clothes and power until you die. There's literally no better deal in existence anywhere.

It's a Ponzi scheme.

>niggers are dum,right guys?
>did jew see that new video from that based tranny?
>Trump is trolling the shit out of libtards on tweeter kek
>Haha Alex Jones has these globalist cunts on the run and is hilarious (I agree with the last part; love that guy)
>We will whip the dogshit out of soyboy antifa twats unless we lose fights - in that case we will whine about our ideas being shut down without purposeful dialogue

What can we do? How can we put a palatable face on National Socialisim without the stigma of Hitler and retards that gravitate towards the movement just because it's considered 'edgy'?

National Socialism is perhaps the most ideal political idea of the last century. Marketing is unfortunately important, so the phrase 'Natsoc" (or Nazi) is in and of itself cancerous. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm drunk as fuck right now but I'm also about to launch a deluge of pro-White material into the collective concsiousness.

To bottom line it, is there anyone at all who has any ideas about how we can get our ideas out there in a way that isn't offensive or overtly racist. I know there a bunch of kids and dumbfucks here, but it seems to me that this place has a higher percentage of intelligent people than most sites I frequent. There is a way we can get to people. I'm just not sure how.

Anyone have any ideas? Or should we just keep talking shit about niggers, pontificating on Trump's latest tweet, or waxing philosophic on the plight of the most recent broad that got a tit squeezed 30 years ago?

I refuse to believe that people are as dumb as the more enlightened seem to think. There has to be a way for us to come together that isn't a fucking nhoneypot.

What do you guys think? Could we start a movement based on common sense and human decency without the "alt-right" stigma? Until we make something happen nothing will.

Hope this is bait

In the event that it's not, understand that when the "let's just print money forever! we'll be rich!" theory of economics fails and all the bubbles burst, the money either won't be there or will be worth nothing. SS is just empty promises for those unlucky enough to be paying into it now

Welcome to socialism.

its a ponzi scheme . the government even admitted it a few times that the only way they can pay for it is by using younger generations taxed income

that isnt true they could cut defense spending or vet benefits or do away with nasa completely and stop paying russia to take our astronauts to the international space station but the only way the government has tried to pay for it is with taxed income from people not on SS

It's fucking welfare and entitlement. How is it NOT a bad thing?

>GUARANTEED
Guaranteed fiat paper that could be worthless by that time.

If you didn't have to pay into it, you could put your fiat into building a business, investments, or real tangible assets. You know, something that might actually be worth something in 50 years.

Social (Illusion of) Security

>Kind of. Its a system designed to pay out at 65 when the average life expectancy was 62.
This is the stupidest meme and repeated by people who don't understand the system at all. Life expectancy has gone up and so has productivity. Like productivity is insane these days.
>Its becoming increasingly insolvent as the massive wave of boomers retire.
Wrong. We imported tons of immigrants, and the taxes we take from them pay for boomers and their kids' taxes will pay for you.
> If you're under 40 today you wont get much from it when you retire.
Wrong. You will be guaranteed to have money to eat, clothes, power, etc until you die. GUARANTEED. NO RISK. If you put money in stock market, you may make some money or you may lose it all and have no money to survive when you're old. Social Security means you will always have enough money to survive, and you only have to work like 8 years full time to be eligible.
Social Security literally cannot go "insolvent", because there will always be workers, even if they are robots, and a share of their productivity goes to ensure that old people won't starve to death, since you greedy fucking kids won't help them voluntarily.
If you weren't being taxed for SS you'd just spend that extra $100 or whatever on weed and video games and let grandma starve.

Expand it into UBI, fund it with a wealth tax.

Get rid of all the entitlement programs, replace them with a Universal Basic Income for citizens only 18 and older of $100 a day - sounds expensive until you start counting up how much the government currently pays all the government workers for all the various different bureaus and for the offices, utilities, maintenance, security, groundskeep, etc. for all those offices - all o0f which could be eliminated if the government just gave every U.S. citizens over the age of 18 a $100 a day direct deposit onto a national photo ID card that could also be used for voter identification and would replace social security cards and other forms of ID.

>work for a college
>exempt from social security
>tfw

If you don't pay social security tax then you aren't earning work credits to be eligible for social security payments. So when you're old and all your investments went bankrupt and your children and grandchildren don't give a shit about you and you can't work anymore damn gonna suck when you can't collect social security payments to survive.

Shill.

It's not "Welfare". You pay money in == you get money out.

Just Identify as a 70 year old and collect your benefits now before its too late.

Why can't we just kill off the oldfags? The entire point of retirement is to have their pseudo paradise, but that is what Heaven is. It is an actual paradise.

Interesting fact. In the first years of SS it didn't pay out anything, only took in. A bill was passed much later to make those who didn't contribute eligible. Even new dealers were more fiscally responsible than today's conservatives.

No it isn't it's oldfags steal money from the young to fund their oldfags ways of sitting at home doing nothing all day while watching tv and eating microwave food and their coffee/tea.

Guess who else does that? Welfarefags and disabledfags. Just replace food with Doritos and coffee with Mountain Dew. It is literally the same fucking end result.

Time value of money. You don't get back even close to what you put in.

>Either way would be more cost effective than the current system, which is bankrupt anyway.
How are people this ignorant?
Social Security is not now nor will it ever be bankrupt.
>Government taxes workers
>Sends that money to retirees
>If taxes are greater than payments then the surplus goes in the trust fund to be used during a recession when taxes are less than payments
Even if the trust fund runs out, social security is not "bankrupt", Social Security existed just fine for over 40 years before the Trust Fund was even created.
Literally everyone who is against social security doesn't have any idea what they are talking about and are just repeating propaganda from the Jews who want to control all that money for themselves to collect fees.
If you honestly think SS is a "ponzi scheme" then you have to believe the LIFE is a ponzi scheme too. You have kids and grandkids to take care of you when you're old. SS just has the government manage it since your faggot kids would smoke weed while you starve.

Like I had a choice.

>immigrants pay taxes
Okay now I know this is bait

>Why don't they just get the money directly from their grandkids?
Lots of people don't have grandkids.
People who do have grandkids have grandkids who would rather buy weed and video games than feed grandpa.
So we just have government tax the grandkids and give it to grandma. Same thing but no bullshit.

one of the biggest scams of the last century. only benefits those who aren't financially responsible enough to save for retirement.

Outdated system. Made sense when the country was in economic turmoil and people wanted something to give them peace of mind. Also we had plenty of people actually paying into it.

Now we have millions of people who aren't contributing but will probably be receiving benefits for it anyway later on. It isn't sustainable and its funding will not last when the current generations hit retirement, what with them having the lowest average income in decades and more people pouring in daily who will expect payments that they haven't earned.

Grandpa should have the honor and integrity to not have to burden his grandkids to take care of him in the first place. There is this thing called a savings account. Something many oldfags don't use because they're a bunch of faggots.

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It's a scam for anyone under the age of AT LEAST 40, and we should have the option to opt out. I'm sick and tired of having a decent portion of my paycheck go to paying for fat entitled boomer cunts.

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Hey I have one of those cards quads and I'll post it

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this is why this stupid shit keeps going

>Huge scam. Not counting on it whatsoever by the time I retire.
The only possible way SS wouldn't be there for you when you retire is if there's a nuclear apocalypse or Children of Men scenario or you're dumb enough to elect people who will give all that money to Jews to (((invest))) and leech fees from.
You pay like 5% of your paycheck to ensure grandma stays fed, and when you can't work you are guaranteed to have enough money to live on until you die, no matter what happens to the jew stock market.
If you don't understand how great a deal like that is then you are smart or mature enough to be allowed to make decisions.

>Well maybe if their grandkids were not forced to pay into SS they could just send them that money directly
>What do we need the Federal government middle man for
Know, we all know that won't happen. The grandkids will spend the money on weed and video games and will let grandma starve. Like this kid:
>I lose $150 a week...
You'd just use that money to buy weed and video games instead of helping feed your grandma. And for that low price of not smoking weed you are guaranteed to have money to live on until you die when you can't work anymore.

it will not exist within the next 50 years though but people are still going to be paying into it? doesnt make sense.

It's not because you work at a college, it's because you are on a visa.

>the money either won't be there or will be worth nothing.
Another moron who doesn't understand how SS works. Look you dumb fucker. The money taxed from your paycheck for SS does not go into some sort of savings account to wait for you when you retire. It goes DIRECTLY to people who are already retired. And if there's any money left over that goes into the Trust Fund, where it waits until there is a deficit in the program. But the Trust Fund is irrelevant; SS ran for decades without it and it isn't necessary for it to function.
Even if there is some hyperinflation SS will still work. Because what is happening is that a percentage of the productivity of workers is transferred to retirees. The economy isn't going to magically become LESS productive in the future. It will become MORE productive thanks to robots and computers and automation.
So long as people and robots keep working and making stuff, grandma gets a share until she dies.

Insolvent scam and everybody knows it.

My parents were good to me so I want them to have social security so I don't have to pay for their retirement. I get other people had bad parents but I didn't. I also live in a family where no one goes to a nursing home either.

The SS is not a scam

The "trust fund' is all treasury bonds you dumb faggot when we talk about SS and the federal government becoming insolvent, do you not see how that is connected?

Even the SSA admits it started year over year deficits in 2010. The ponzi scheme is over and it's living on borrowed time.

SS is a FUCKING SCAM. Now I want to know, are you a public employee of any kind? You have to be, considering how ardently you defend and obvious government scam. You probably see the existence of SS as a buttress to your own inefficient government benefits and easy paper pushing job that really is useless and not needed.

OH SHIT THE ARCHITECT BROWSES Sup Forums

kys

You do realize Social Security is simply a tax? Nobody owes you shit just for paying in. THEY decide what your "benefit" will be and if they choose to rescind it for any reason, what the fuck are you planning to do about it? Complain? Cry?

Let me ask you this, do you honestly think it's safe to trust the government with your retirement and your own life?

>some hyperinflation
>some
Christ. If they have to drastically increase your benefits each month to keep up with inflation, we're already fucked at that point. The economy itself wouldn't survive that, don't tell me a shitty progressive welfare program will

>Boomer here. (Stuff it).
Pls die alrady

>time to cut these fucking leeches off and also impose a 1 time 20% wealth tax to return the stolen funds.
100% this X1000.

It's true though. I was a GA in grad school. No SS

Paying out to it user, not into anything. Both parties turned it into a pay out to instead of an Into decades ago. Big Difference.