What went wrong with Bleach?

What went wrong with Bleach?

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Bount arc

It got popular

Aizen lost

Kubo

Not enough insane asspulls

The fandom.

All bad choices were dictated by the chronic shit-tier taste that Nippon has.

Not enough Toshiro.

What do you suppose Kubo is up to these days?

Everything. But you can pinpoint the exact moment it became unsalvageable to Yhwach opening his eyes.

Ichigo didn't even do anything in the last arc, except going back and forth between the royal palace and soul society.

Its conception.

Not enough fanservice

Aizen never loses, he plays 4d chess

Didn't kubo start dying or something?

This part pissed me off the most. Didn't see the main character for 50+ chapters at a time and his new power wasn't mentioned once. I still don't know what the fuck his new bankai does and so much shit is left unexplained.

This happened.

It should have ended after Aizen's defeat. Even if it would still have a lot of plotpoint not resolved, the ending would have been better than what we got

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No shinigimi can die in the 'war' except for Yamamoto and his lieutenant. And not even one from Gotei died in the so-called 'war' with arrancars. Gin and Tousen died but they were 'traitors'. Even when Byakuya was literally smashed on the wall and his sword broke he came back to life and even got a power up. It's not interesting to read when you know that it's just a shinigami fanservice galore and there is ZERO danger for them. I laughed at people who thought that Kira died for real. Oh, and Kubo killed off Ukitake and Unohana, but they didn't die from the hands of enemies, so it's not really war casualties. In case of Ukitake it was only to promote Rukia, so forced and unnecessary. Well, I'm not even starting on the plot holes, the plot went to shit a long time ago, but these 'fights' when you know that the enemy will die no matter what and shinigami will be 'deadly wounded', but not really, and will be okay after a while, are beyond annoying and retarded. It doesn't help that in most cases enemies died because they fucking told the shinigami how their ability works and didn't kill them when they had a chance. For example, Pernida twisted Yoruichi's arm. But he could have twisted her fucking neck! Why he didn't do it? Because you can't kill shinigami and upsets their fans, no-no.

>It doesn't help that in most cases enemies died because they fucking told the shinigami how their ability works and didn't kill them when they had a chance

It works both ways.
Rose explaing his BanKai to the Mask was probably the most retarded example.

Also Kira is stuck between being alive/dead

All good points, but holy wall of text batman

>It works both ways
Except not really because shinigami don't die anyway even after such retarded actions. So it doesn't matter what they tell or not. They will win EVERY fucking fight. Kira is obviously alive, all those explanations are not needed. It's just to create a false feeling that something 'serious' happened to him when in fact nothing changed at all, he is still in Gotei.

Ichiruki was the only good thing

Nothing really, its pretty much flawless.

Nothing just assblasted ichirukifags

Everything

Many people say the series lost quality after the SS arc, and I agree, but curiously the series didn't start dropping in sales after volume 42 or so (pic related with Bleach volumes first print), when the Arrancar arc was already ending.

Lost Agent arc being worse than anime fillers was not helping

I wonder how many people will cry when the anime comes back.

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Too many characters

It's not as if the Vizard or Hueco Mundo arcs were poorly received initially; vol 42 is just about where the arc fatigue started to set in.

How is that even a criticism when One Piece exists?

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THE HEART

Gin died...that's what went wrong

One piece characters get left behind in their respective arcs.

Meanwhile Bleach has like 40 shinigami that are all vying for screentime, plus ichigo and co, plus vizards, plus the villains of the arc.

Again, how is that a criticism?

Because the series just became character wanking and not a coherent plot.

And because of that plot threads get dropped, older characters get regulated to background (Chad, Uryu, fuck even Renji feels like he gets cast aside in the closing acts)
Meanwhile we get zany battles with mr giant quincy facing off against 3 shinigami to get no satisfying end at all.

So you're a speedreader I take it?

Because Kubo obviously can't juggle that many characters.

A designer got ropped into trying to write a good story.

The story got completely away from him. It's clear that Kubo likes and is fairly good at designing characters and powers, but he just ended up introducing to many that it got way too loaded.

Gin did everything wrong though.

I'm not really following you here, in what way? Obviously not every character got equal focus but how is that a criticism?

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Why am I supposed to care about Youtube "anime experts" again?

It kept going after Aizen

Hey remember Ichigo's other friends?

Remember when shinigami didn't just randomly pop up as they were arbitrarily needed?

Remember when Chad did ANYTHING at all of note after the SS arc?

Remember when Byakuya kept getting killed off?

Remember when Grimmjaw showed up again? Anything come of that?

Remember when everyones *ahem* favorite character captain facebook came out of no where and repaired ichigo's bankai via asspull?

Remember when the series wasn't about "Hm, which character do I conveniently have slightly offscreen?"

At least in One Piece you can't pull a character out your ass from 2 arcs ago because "oh right, they're on another island" but Bleach characters can magically teleport in with gateways between worlds

All that text and all you needed to say was "Yes, I am in fact a speedreader." If you weren't you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

Remember when Isshin and Ryuken were going to do something?

"I don't know how to debate" -the post

Thank you, I had indeed forgotten about that.
Sorry, sometimes when you leave so many little teeny tiny strings hinting at 'hey maybe I'll use this character this time' it can be easy to forget them.

And Sup Forums anons opinion is any better?

ZA HEARTO

What is there to debate? You haven't brought up a single viable point against Bleach.

Actually, yes.

>One Piece fags start showing in

Bleach may be shit but OP after time skip is on another level of padded shit
And it was never nothing special to begin with

Some way along the line Kubo concentrated on his porn career way more than on Bleach

There was nothing right to begin with.

Bleach has always been a bad copy of Yu Yu Hakusho.

>At least in One Piece you can't pull a character out your ass from 2 arcs ago because "oh right, they're on another island"

OPfags everyone, they seriously believe this shit.

>but Bleach characters can magically teleport in with gateways between worlds

Wow they used their tech and powers so it's an asspull, amazing.

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Bleach was a mess from the beginning, with Kubo trying to create concepts and throwing them out of the window once they din't work out.
Shinigami x Quincy, Shinigami x Hollow, Alive x Dead... he was always trying to throw some meaningful dynamic of balance and falling flat on his face. The classmates of Ichigo were supposed to be important and were throw outta the window once shinigami became more popular.

Kubo was a popularity whore, always going for pleasing fans and avoiding hurting their fee-fees like explained.

It went on after main battle agains Aizen.
Should have stopped over there.
Then it would be considered solid shounen manga.

Stop holding YYH to such a high standard, in all honesty its just as flawed as any other shounen manga. Also Bleach has a lot more in common with Saint Seiya in terms of arc and power structure.

Lets argue this fact then, which I have stated many times. And I'll put it into a nice clean format for you to understand:

Bleach has too many characters, that towards the ending of the series seemed to be able to be brought in at will when they were needed, not for any particular plot importance or character development moments. They showed up because "I need someone to fight this enemy". Because of that, the series feels like a mess of characters fighting each other in a generic good vs evil format.

Is that good enough for your head to wrap around simple concepts such us "Wait...why DID we have so many characters zerg rushing the final arc?"
Can you please give some kind of imput outside "lol no argument"

gin did nothing wrong.

He holds the same place in my heart as itachi does from naruto

>Can you please give some kind of imput outside "lol no argument"

I would, but as stated twice already, you're posting gives you away as a speedreader who can't into even the most basic of plot points; therefore I see no reason to waste my time on this argument. I recommended you post a few more walls of text full of rhetorical and easily answerable questions before repeating your first argument again, or simply find somewhere else to shitpost.

You clearly don't get Shounenfags. They only shit on other manga to make them feel better about their own brand of Shounenshit.

Did you even hit puberty already? Because you certainly smell like a fucking newborn

>single viable point against bleach

I think he meant how kubo threw in characters whenever he neeeded them and ass pulled them new powers to prolong fights that should've been a lot shorter.

>you're posting gives
>you are posting gives

Oh wait, you're an idiot

See, I can play "attack the person, not the argument" too

Sorry, I've got better things to do then throw walls of text at a person who failed grade 3 english.

>Sup Forums anons
lurk moar

I could make the exact same criticism about this entire genre of manga.

WTF is this shit! Is Bleach a secret shoujo like Rurouni Kenshin?!??

Thank you for falling for the lowest tier of bait possible, speedreader-kun.

This.

Shounen? Yeah you could actually that's a fair point. One of the reasons I barely read any now.

But with bleach it was probably a lot more frustrating as it was near the end. The series has always had insignificant squabbles throughout its arcs, but I've never felt this bored or deja vu reading a shounen. Maybe naruto.

Not that user, but I think they meant Kubo was never capable to give the characters their place after their time was done. Some even overstayed their welcome.

When you are in the last arc, and you barely did shit with the core group of characters, the ones that are supposed to be the main ones all while spending volumes giving flashbacks and long battles to others, but still not giving a proper development and resolution, then something is really wrong with your writing.

Hashwaltch or whatever his name is was the only decent character out of the sternitter. Maybe Askin as well, though his battle dragged way too much.

This was supposed to be Ishida's arc, he didn't even had enough focus and the conflict between Ichigo and him was brushed off by people (and Ichigo himself) pointing out that "because it's Ichigo, he'll drag him back with us".

At least he got a power up.

Orihime's character resolution was lackluster as fuck:

>I'm going with you
>Blocks an attack once
>I FINALLY PROTECTED YOU KUROSAKI-KUN
>Gets rekt later

Which would have been less bad if she didn't have that terrible trainwreck of a record from the Hueco Mundo arc

>But she changed in the fullbring arc

People who said this don't realize that the time for Orihime to get her crucial development was the Hueco Mundo arc. Whatever happened with her in the Fullbring arc was a delayed downplayed nonsense that lead to the wet fart final in the last arc.

And Chad...I don't want to be reminded of Chad. It's painful.

Same with Urahara and Aizen.

The final arc wasn't meant to focus on Chad or Orihime, they already had their arcs. It was obvious to everyone reading it that besides Ichigo and Uryu, the final arc was focusing on the Shinigami, which is why they got all the paneltime.

At least Kubo isn't as bad as Oh Great

>Chad
>already had his arc

That arc being....?

>they already had """"""""""""their arcs"""""""""""""


Fixed it.

I grew up with shonen like Saint Seiya, YYH, Samurai X,... but Bleach never clicked with me, it felt like bad mixture of other shonen, even Naruto was more original and unique.

Fullbring arc was Chad's arc.

>b-but he didn't do anything!

Actually, he did. He's the only one of Ichigo's friends that actually encouraged him to try and get his powers back, and it was also the arc where Chad had to establish his own limits of his power. Sure, Ichigo's development was primarily the subject matter, but Chad's role has always been as a catalyst for Ichigo's development, same with Rukia, Orihime, and Uryu.

>even Naruto was more original and unique.

Ugh, opinion discarded...

>Sure, Ichigo's development was primarily the subject matter

Then it wasn't Chad's arc.

Every arc is Ichigo's arc, he's the main character. That doesn't mean he's the sole character getting development in that arc.

This is why you get called a speedreader.

>Sure, Ichigo's development was primarily the subject matter, but Chad's role has always been as a catalyst for Ichigo's development, same with Rukia, Orihime, and Uryu.

This is half true and with a couple of exceptions in that list.

Yes, Rukia was a cataliyst for Ichigo's development, but it happens that Karakura and SS arcs and part of the HM arc were also the stages for the development of her own character.

Ishida as well, until the fullbring arc.

I can agree with this actually. I won't argue that Chad's 'arc' was the weakest of the friend arcs, but he'd already been given plenty of development on his own before that; likewise, Rukia and Orihime both continued to get development after their respective arcs.

>I won't argue that Chad's 'arc' was the weakest of the friend arcs

I meant 'wasn't'; although considering the arc was cut short I wouldn't be surprised if Kubo wanted to do more with Chad but had to cut it.

Kubo wrote in characters in order to advance the plot. He's a shit writer.

Wow, what a masterful thesis user, you should become a Youtuber.

>I wouldn't be surprised if Kubo wanted to do more with Chad but had to cut it.
He probably did, but unfortunately he had him brainwashed along with Orihime while the shinigami came to save the day.

I think a big problem Kubo had was how the human characters were never as popular as the Shinigami. Japan only seemed to care about Ichigo, Uryu, and Orihime.

The last two chapters, except for the thing with Yhwach's reiatsu and the SK remnants, could easily have come after Aizen's defeat (or the Fullbringer arc), and they would fit nicely as an ending.

>I think a big problem Kubo had was how the human characters were never as popular as the Shinigami.

That's to be expected; Bleach's popularity in Japan was almost entirely due to the Shinigami.

Eh, a lot of the Ichigo/Orihime and Renji/Rukia development didn't happen until after the first timeskip.

>Japan only seemed to care about Ichigo, Uryu, and Orihime.

Eh, I detest to be that guy, but Rukia has been always consistenly way ahead of Orihime in terms of popularity. Arguing that fact is pointless.

>a lot of the Ichigo/Orihime and Renji/Rukia development didn't happen until after the first timeskip.
Completely false. We see Ichigo and Orihime develop throughout the entire manga and its the HM arc where we see how they mean to each other especially Ichigos side, while Renji/Rukia are attached at the hip after the SS arc.

Yeah but Orihime was still in her 'save me Ichigo' phase; it wasn't until after the timeskip that her mantra became 'I will protect Kurosaki'. Final arc also had a lot of great RenRuki moments.

Re-read my post, I'm only talking about the human characters.

Rukia is a Shinigami last time I checked.

Then Chad was the only human main character that wasn't popular