As my last thread was deleted for absolutely no reason,despite eceleb threads and slide threads staying up...

As my last thread was deleted for absolutely no reason,despite eceleb threads and slide threads staying up, whats Sup Forums's opinion of psychedelics. IMO they should be illegal, HPPD is a serious risk, even if it's 1 in 10000 it's basically suicide, like being on a bad trip 24/7. there was legitimate discussion going on before the fucking janitor deleted my thread,. HPPD is the closest you can get to a living hell but unfortunately nobody cares/believes it even exists. it's induced irreversible mental illness stemming from illegal drug use, so it's absolutely related to politics. it's been really bad for me for the past few days. there's no cure and it only gets worse.

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Yeah I've got it OP. Doesn't bother me too much so it's likely not as bad as yours. I ignore it 90% of the time unless I'm looking at the sky or a white wall then everything's FReAKY

i started to develop it when i was doing shrooms/acid every day to escape reality, but by the time i knew i should quit it was too late. ignoring it would be easy if i had stuff to do other than shitpost, no turning back now, i just wish i lived in a country where guns weren't illegal so i could end it painlessly

theyre great

>there's no cure and it only gets worse.
Just relax and it'll go away with time. Stop being such a fucking wimp. Odin frowns at psychonaut pussies.

What the hell, I never had a drug in my body and yet I see those floaters, what ?

maybe in a century, but with all the stigma surrounding them +other stuff the risk of permanently ruining your life is too great due to HPPD, it's schizophrenia x 100000000

Same, I think everyone does

the tolerance is so high for those drugs that doing them every day does not work

It never fully goes away.
Not in my experience
Gets worse with stress

>HPPD

Okay, I'll bite.

What the fuck is HPPD?

>every day
nigger u dum

I eventually had some lasting effects from acid weekly, but more just like trees looked too spirally and "not right." Went back to normal after several months off, which I needed anyway because I had begun living in a fantasy land.

What the fuck is google?

I have that, I never even thought about it till you mentioned it. Stop being a faggot. I just thought everyone saw holographic clouds.

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>What the fuck is google?

What the fuck is go fuck yourself.

i did 10 dry grams of shrooms and didn't freak out until i realized a month later that my vision/jheadspace was still fucked, i have extremely messed up thoughts that i would never act on, but it's the most unpleasant feeling i have ever experienced
the only way to understand HPPD is to experience it for yoursel

you ever get that ribbon of light after you cum really hard?
Like rainbow road in your eye?
Shit freaks me out. Drink some coffee and it goes away pretty quick.

I blame satan , i have a thyroid problem and the more problems my thyroid has the more en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_snow i got

>What the fuck is go fuck yourself.

google.com/search?q=What the fuck is go fuck yourself.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

There you go, that was hard.

I BET ITS COOL BEING INSANE

Every day? What the hell dude. I tripped maybe 10-15 times in my life and they are present but not egregious

Hallucinogen perception persisting disorder

It's where even in your sober life for the rest of your life you see visual noise after doing hallucinogens. Mostly visual static and floaters, if I look at geometric patterns they morph, for example straight lines like window blinds will appear to "wave".

the most potent shroom grows here during the season like a fucking weed, there's an infinite supply,
i know, i didn't have any symptoms at all though until after a year, then i suddenly had full blown hppd, never doing shrooms/acid again

It's probably due to brain damage I've talked to people who. Claimed to have been suffering from it and contrary to popular opinion it isn't fun

okay yeah you need to meditate, take cold showers, do long distance running, fix your diet?
Do just one mushroom next time, unless you get them in the wild then you need more.
Maybe trip again to reorganize that state aka return to the battlefield
dont use serotonin re-uptake inhibitors
If you are in hell then you need to dive deeper into it to get out

when you start seeing a mirrored and negative horizon you need to put the acid and the shitposting down. acid is pushed too much. why inject yourself with anything short of insulin or other necessary things if you need them? and why take hallucinogens? dont you enjoy having functioning brains? when you drive, are the traffic lights blue and green and brown?

you can get floaters without drugs as well, it's a quite common problem of particles coming loose and floating around in the eye as the eye ages. just saying, but if you know it's from drugs than that how it is.

as for legality of drugs, i'd say it's not about denying anyone a psychedelic experience or to relax after work or whatever, but the issue with most drugs is that they are neurotoxic. you are not allowed to repeatedly bang your head against the ground, when people find you doing this you will be locked in a psych ward. so why should you be allowed to harm your brain with drugs?

i recently came across a truly whack channel on youtube called "Drugslab", it's one of those channels that claims to test drugs and educate for purposes of harm reduction. which is of course utter bs, because regardless of the intend, the effect those videos have is the complete opposite, they wake curiosity and cloud the viewer in a false sense of safety by implying there are safe ways to consume neurotoxic substances. it's however entertaining to watch, in one video the guy jerks off while sniffing poppers, if you're into that topic right now i suggest you check out that channel lol.

i can relate to your story, btw, because we both kinda messed up our bodies with substances we now wish we wouldn't have had access to. at the age of 13 me and kids around me had access to alcohol, tobacco, weed and hashish.. looking at it in retrospective, i'm like wtf, why do kids have so easy access to this things? i mean it's not my fault i did those drugs, i was only 13 after all.. teens are known for risk seeking behaviour, that's why society should make sure they can't get their hands on these things.

Aren't floaters, afterimages and visual snow unrelated to drug use? I mean... I have done a few psychedelics but I'm pretty sure my visual snow is due to my poor vision (near-sighted).
That said yeah I'm against psychedelics. As a voluntaryist I would prefer the community I live in to contractually obligate everyone not to take drugs. Society should be sober.
On the personal level, I don't drink or take drugs anymore, mainly because I'm a Christian now but also because they're a waste of time and a lot of my trips were quite uncomfortable. Obviously MDMA feels amazing and mushrooms can be interesting, but it's all too psychologically dangerous and, in the case of MDMA, neurochemically taxing.

psychedelics are already illegals in almost every non shithole aka white countries, being illegal will never stop people doing it. Plus shrooms is nice and safe, people that bad tripped for real (not just I felt sad BS) most likely mixed it with too much alcool or weed. Other than that, you really need a lot of the most potent strain to push your trip too far with shrooms. Don't forget that the more often you do shrooms the more your body is resistant to it, therefore the shrooms lose its effect. You can't do shrooms everyday and expect to trip. As for other psychedelics, most aren't natural and therefore total garbage for your body, but hey it's already illegal here and I still here stories of people getting HPPD from too much acid that now believe they're jesus. Darwin law will apply to them even if they don't do acid, karma will it the stupid people with something else anyway.

Floaters increase with age as well. They’re very normal but the snow is definitely not normal aging so I feel sympathy for those with issues from overuse of psychedelics.

>hallucinogen
>injected
lol
anyone pls

if you define brain damage as necrosis than no, because that would show up in an mri/ct scan, but it makes it so you're brain cant filter out a bunch of shit, that's where the intrusive thoughts come from, also i have never ever heard soimebody with hppd call it fun, i would classify it as brain damage regardless though because it's irreversible and it's just in your head, it's the ultimate mental illness, hppd will make the most sane person question their existence

Oh, so it's nothing. Go look at some optical illusions, your brain fills in the gaps 24/7

My ex did. She would see vivid colors after sex. Was pretty awesome for my ego at the time thinking my rod of God brought her to the rainbow bridge.

>Hallucinogen perception persisting disorder
>It's where even in your sober life for the rest of your life you see visual noise after doing hallucinogens. Mostly visual static and floaters, if I look at geometric patterns they morph, for example straight lines like window blinds will appear to "wave".

Ah.

I have "migraines with aura" every now and then. I end up looking like a fucking autist rocking back and forth trying to read cause I can't see shit when it happens.

What you describe sounds orders of magnitude more annoying.

How are floaters part of HPPD? A lot of people have them and everybody eventually gets them.

You can get floaters from psychedelics???

Yeah I know for other people that have them they all are miserable. Nothing really bothers me though, I'm an optimistic guy

yeah, it's called HPPD, it's what OP has

You should legit get your daith pierced. I have performed hundreds of this piercing on people for migraine relief. While it may be anecdotal the overwhelming consensus was that they experienced relief from migraines as frequently with some being cured entirely.

Weird.

I've never done psychedelics and see snow. It happens when I look at the blue sky, in which I see white specks or orbs that look like they're orbiting each other. Closing my eyes and focusing on the black void, I see multi-colored snow and geometric patterns.

>You should legit get your daith pierced. I have performed hundreds of this piercing on people for migraine relief. While it may be anecdotal the overwhelming consensus was that they experienced relief from migraines as frequently with some being cured entirely.

No significant pain, just visual artifacts.

I have done many many Psychedelics
My big regret was doing acid 3 nights in a row and i aged from that shit
Other than that it is exhausting but I have not been hurt from the trips.

Shit, I think I got the same condition

i got it from chasing the dragon, i don;t think i was particularly prone to it, but do enough drugs and anybody will develop it eventually

he did more

Damn I'm glad I never did any then. My eyes would be really fucked up, I already have glasses.

sigh*
Dr. Sebi would have cured the world.

Have you tried getting a PET scan or a mri, it might sound weird but i would love to experiment on you , you should try a good dosage on ketamine I've heard that reset the brain

...

the class of drug that ketamine belong to can actually put literal holes in rats brains from long term use, nor proven in humans but i've done plenty of dxm.
i havent had an pet/mri personally but other people with hppd have and it showed nothing abnormal, obviously i'm not expecting alzhimers tier degradation, but i don't deny there's some degree of brain damage even if it isn't outright cell death.
the best effective treatment for hppd is anti anxiety drugs, you cant make the symptoms go away but you can almost make yourself not care about them.
if i had 1k in my bank account for a brain scan it's the first thing i would do, but unfortunately i'm poor as fuck.

I will be a doctor in the next 2 years I can unironically pay for everything (my father is a doctor too) , hopefully you make this thread then too

total hippy bullshit trying to normalize drug use

ive done acid before and it was really scary. tell me more about HPPD it sounds awful . do you have it?

'scary' probably wasn't the right word to describe acid. its more like 'weird'

whats your point? shrooms/acid aren't addictive nobody denys that, but there's a serious risk of permanently tripping, if you have an iq above 100 you will probably have the sense to quit before you develop hppd, but when you do it's permanent and you're fucked for eternity. when you have hppd, feeling normal is like crack, you need to experience it for yourself

what the fuck did i just read

floaters are small pieces of collagen detaching from the backside of your cornea or the vitreous gel inside your eye separating into fluid and collagen clumps as you age.

Same. Not even an issue. Slightly distracting sometimes though.

what are the small moving light points. i have had them since a kid but never tripped..

oh jeez.

>took 2 hero doses of shrooms and expected to be fine

it's indescribable, imagine tripping with the visuals slightly toned down with negative euphoria, it's like being on heroin withdrawals 24/7 + your vision is absolutely 100% fucked. as i said it's like schizophrenia x 100000, and you have two separate consciousnesses, you're constantly telling yourself to shut the fuck up, but the intrusive thoughts will never leave

i'd done hero doses of acid/dxm before, like i said i thought i was immune to it until i didn't come down from an acid trip. i hope it goes away in the next decade if i last that long

if it makes you feel any better i have horrible floaters, everytime i look at a clear sky i only see black squiggles and blotches in my vision, doctor told me theres nothing he can do i just have to deal with it

HPPD on shrooms? Unless you extrect psilocybin, you must be kidding. It's not impossible to bad trip, if by bad trip you are vague. Real bad trips on shrooms, like ego death wont happen that easily, you need really potent shrooms and a lot of it, and usually weed or alcool to kick its effects. Plus shrooms lose their effect the more often you do some. You can do shrooms and the next day it wont trip. You really need to be an idiot to get too far on shrooms, those people will make bad decisions whatever else they do.

also hearing this makes me not want to try shrooms .. but i also want to try it. if i do it like once or twice how bad / risky is that

oh good

the visuals are the easiest thing to deal with, it's the derealization/intrusitive thoughts that get to you, do yourself a favor and never do acid/shrooms again

>derealization/intrusitive thoughts
what do you mean by this in more detail, if you don't mind?

Have you seen a specialist?

I have visual snow but never did any drugs
That shit sucks so hard, but it goes away for a few seconds if you watch tv static on youtube

acid/shrooms + dxm + weed, i'm talking 10+ dry grams, 600mg+ of dxm, and 1g+ of weed every single time, my hobby was trying to get as fucked up as possible, i only had one trip that was worth it. the euphoria was comparable to meth, it's just me lying in my bed being a degenerate loser but it's the best memory i have. the euphoria was better than meth, it was insane. you're last sentence is pmuch spot on though, my iq is 80, so i never stood a chance no matter what. my fate was sealed from day 1, ugly retards have no chance at life

it's mostly like schizophrenia, people that developed HPPD were either predisposed to develop it or just did way too much. Most likely with LSD. People that I know that got HPPD from overdosing it ended in asylum. That's why you should never play with the dose(not take any actually) when it comes to drugs that don't come from mother earth.

by derealization i mean looking in the mirror and seeing a stranger,constantly cringing at yourself, by intrusive thoughts i mean exactly that, unwanted fucked up thoughts about fucked up shit that i cant go into detail on, unfortunately no doctors have heard of hppd apparently and the ones i have seen refuse to prescribe me medication that works

>Mostly visual static and floaters, if I look at geometric patterns they morph, for example straight lines like window blinds will appear to "wave".
Wat. I've basically never done any hallucinogens and I still have floaters. Something like 90% of the population has floaters to some degree or the other (gets worse as you age).
As for the geometric patterns morphing, that's also something I have had, and apparently quite common.

>that's why society should make sure they can't get their hands on these things.
Correction. That's why your shitty parents should make sure of that.

Yeah I have bad floaters too. Asked my doc, had in depth eye tests done. He just went 'meh it happens, don't think about it.'

The more you think about them, the more you notice them.

OP might have an actual issue though. Overuse of LSD can obviously cause you really bad DR and DP which can be difficult to shake. Best course of action for him is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy I bet.

I have the same problem. Snow is easy to deal with. The intrusiv thoughts are very hard to deal with. It clouds your judgement. It sucks. Got it after doing a lot of stimulants. Did low dose shrooms once - it was pleasureable and a good experience for me. Not saying that psychodelics are good, but i believe that the intrusiv thoughts arn't exclusivly related to them. ( also: doing breathong exercises helped me a lot. "fuck anxiety" is a nice book to read for that - very short too)

>10+ dry grams
Well there's your problem. You're retarded. Are you half abo by any chance?

FFS, I did 2 grams once, didn't care for the effect, never touched them again.

>looking in the mirror and seeing a stranger,constantly cringing at yourself
sorry but i dont get it.

Hallucinogenic are not meant to be taken every day. It defeats the point. You done fucked up.

>2 gram
Pleb, 5 grams in silent darkness

>The more you think about them, the more you notice them.
ive never noticed a reduction in floaters regardless of any factor :/

they're really annoying and ive had them for like 8 years

I can't imagine man, usually 3 grams of good shrooms are good, I would avoid weed with some shrooms if you don't smoke often, alcool doesn't really affect it much IMO, 5 or 6 beers just your body feeling numb. As for other drugs, man, I would avoid at all cost. Last summer, I was lucky enough to find some really potent shrooms, god like, one time I've been time travelling on it for about an hour, the most annoying part was trying to light a cig, each time I was about to light it, visions kicked in. All that mostly happened because of the weed that I smoke, but it went away after an hour and my shroom trip went to normal. You just don't want to overdose it and avoid any other drugs, mostly those that are chimical. I really feel bad for you, you should have had someone with you to tell you that it wasnt ok.

Is this what Syd Barret had after he cooked his brains on acid?

Have you ever had a thought that did not originate in you, a thought you felt was of foreign origin?

Look up NatSoc Germany's drug policy. It was surprisingly lenient.

I've had it. De-realization or depersonalization are two different things but related. It's not necessarily from drugs though. You can get it pretty easily due to anxiety (in my case) which in turn causes more anxiety, and eventually can literally paralyze you. One time I I felt like a person inside of my skull trying to get out. Drove to the hospital and just sat in the parking lot considering committing myself.

Since then, laying off alcohol (I haven't done a drug in 10 years), exercising and meditating have effectively destroyed my anxiety. It's still present, but I can recognize and defeat it when it raises its head now.

some many stains with different level of potency, 2 grams or 5 doesnt mean shit, plus it was his first time so it doesnt require as much as someone that do it once a month or more.

okay so so youre admitting theres a well defined way to determine the mentally ill with one simple drug and illuminate the rest of the sane and healthy minds? oooooooo do go on!

I've had them for as long as I can remember. Try this, grab some boxing gloves, and have a nice spar with a buddy. Really get into it. Afterwards, think if you were noticing your floaters during the match lol.
You probably won't.
That said, if they're super bad, you can always get the surgery.

did you read my posts you brain dead pos? it comes out of nowhere, it doesn't matter if you did 1 gram or 100 grams, it's completely random. and if you did 2 grams then that was just a waste of fucking mushrooms, what do you expect to get from 2 grams? shits all wavy for a few horurs? lmao who hurt you? fucking pos trying to bring everybody down.

I vape marijuana every day and constantly crave THC, how bad is that

so parent's should make sure there are no drugs being dealt on the streets, i thought that's what police is for

P sure floaters are more to do with your retina than anything, as I had them as a child.
SO I was either MKULTRA'd or you can cross those off your list.
Sounds like you tripped youself retarded son, and the only way you can deal with it is if you just accept and live in it. If youre not down with the live your life differently town, just kys. But Im not sure anyone I've ever met thought PSYCs were okay everyday.

>it comes out of nowhere
Does a cocktail of drugs on a daily basis.
>it comes out of nowhere
Abo confirmed.

Are you sure you're not confusing HPPD with anxiety/depression/derealisation
I can understand how HPPD could make other mental disorders worse by triggering feelings of anxiety/etc but to blame all your feelings of anxiety/depression/etc on HPPD seems like an oversimplification of a complex issue...
HPPD doesn't even affect how well people perform in visual tests.

I know it's easier said than done but don't worry so much.
I know people who have had HPPD and it has gotten better.
Continued psychedelic abuse and the overuse of cannabis seems to aggravate the condition.

I'm curious what is it specifically about the HPPD that triggers negative feelings for you?
Do the symptoms cause you to worry that you've fucked yourself up or something?

It might help for you to know that recent research shows the brain has much more neuroplasticity than previously believed. Our brains can repair themselves far better than we previously thought possible.
Just take it easy and look after yourself... Maybe this experience is the wake up call you needed to help you place more value on your health and well-being.
Drink water.
Eat healthily.
Move your body.
etc.
Work out how to look after yourself better and you'll feel better too :)

I recommend learning and practicing some CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) exercises.
They can help give you more awareness of your mental/emotional states and also help you feel more in control of your mind and body.

Hope this helps.


regarding the legal status of psychedelics...
at least a few hundred people die each year around the world due to peanut allergies...
should we make peanuts illegal?
it sucks that you feel psychedelics have decreased your quality of life but i don't believe that it's fair that because of your negative experiences other people who use psychedelics to enrich their lives should be treated as criminals...

you're missing the entire fucking point, anybody can get HPPD.

I smoked weed for about 4 years 24/7. No noticeable long term shit. I think weeds only super bad for adolescents according to medical research.
Still, no dependency is good.

I would never, EVER get surgery on my EYES. fuck that. especially for floaters.