Explain to me what is Wrong with Socialism

As someone who's going to be poor in less than a year I want to know what is seriously wrong with socialism? All Sup Forums seems to say is MUH RICH MUH JOBS but guess what, rich people only generate jobs that generate THEM money. So for every dollar a rich guy puts in the economy he gets it back PLUS profits. Profit margins right now are 2% so for every dollar a rich guy injects into the economy he gets back about 1.03 back.

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Involuntary transfer of resources.

Well it's not my fault the rich won't voluntary make me not poor.

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Buy bitcoin if you're so butthurt about it

It is your responsibility to make yourself not a broke bitch if you dont want to be a broke bitch

With what money? I'm not rich, obviously.

>what one person recieves without working for, another person must work without recieving
I agree, hard-working people like me should NOT have the fruits of labour taken away by lazy wealthy scum.

>you can't multiply wealth by dividing it
No but you can transfer it from sleezbags to me

Socialism is degenerate concept of punishing high-achievers and rewarding slackers.
All it ever does is lowering overall wealth of nation because high-achievers lose motivation to work hard and slackers stop caring at all.

When I have the whole world holding me down (almost whole world is capitalist) then it's not really my responsibility for the system to like get the fuck off my dick.

You're thinking of capitalism bro. Hardworking people get screwed while the lazy bums sitting in their ivory tower reap.

Socialism is predicated on entitlement to the wealth of others

This is essentially a pro-communist, right?

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No that's capitalism. Hardworkers have to give up all their money to CEOs, that's capitalism. The picture you posted is from 1952 when America was very socialist. Eisenhower supported 92% federal income tax, social security, farm subsidies, all that.

You want the system to get off your dick? that's free market capitalism. But you don't really want them to back off, you want free handouts that you don't deserve. Don't get me wrong i'm all for regulations such as a minimum wage but you commies are just trying to abuse our humanity to get a free ride.

Then how come the nazis were so successful? Fucking sub human slavic piece of shit, I hope the Wehrmacht murdered a lot of your family members

Free market capitalism is in a way holding me down. Think about it, there's not a single possible way for me to escape working class poverty and even if i get out it's going to be low working class.

Where do you think wealth comes from? Is it finite?

Fun fact: when USSR commies announced they will forcefully take "extra" food from wealthy farmers, farmers just stopped working past point of keeping their families fed.
Ultimately commies had to resort to "red terror", forcing people to work at gunpoint and regularly killing someone to make example.
Instead of increasing flow of food to cities and red army (as they expected), total food supply drastically dropped and major famines happened.

Its time for you to face reality. If you are poor, you are not hard-working. Society measured the value you generate and determined its below average. You are too lazy to learn new skills, to discipline yourself, to properly manage your finances.
And worse than being poor and lazy, you are now growing into sociopathic thief, rationalizing your desire to get it all easy way by some imaginary "social injustice".

The free market stopped existing on Dec 23 1913 when interest rates became socialized under the federal reserve act. Your plight is not with capitalism, your plight is with the fiat money cabal lending money they create from nothing at interest.

Wealth comes from production of people working, and automation of course.

>people willingly working for you is stealing!!!
>taxing them isnt though

yeah ok

So it's created
When you create wealth, who does it belong to?

I am a hardworking like all the poor are.

>You are too lazy to learn new skills,
Like what? I have lots of skills, not making me any money.

>to discipline yourself
Am very disiciplined

>managing you finance
Dude, i come from a family of bankers, I think i know how to manage my finances

>And worse than being poor and lazy, you are now growing into sociopathic thief, rationalizing your desire to get it all easy way by some imaginary "social injustice".
Funny that's all capitalists are. People who rationalize their desire to steal with Ayn Rand logic, "i werked for this".

I don't see how it would be any different. In the 1800s there was no social mobility either.

Yeah sure paying taxes is TOTALLY the same as Bonnie and Clyde

The corporation.

the majority of the 1800's was conducted under fiat money as well

Well then when is this capitalist utopia you speak of?

Are you answering sarcastically? A corporation is a group of individuals working together, under some agreement of how to distribute the profits of their work.

Essentially, wealth belongs to the earner.

You are lying to yourself and us all.
upwork allows anyone in the world earn at least 30$/hr while working at flexible schedule from any remote location.
But even learning Java is too much effort for you, so you will keep whining about "muh ebil capitalists" instead actually going to work on stopping being poor.

It gives the government absolute power.

Capitalism never claims to bring in utopia, it is a socialist concept, like heaven a religious one

every nation will you are not starving to death, restrained from worshiping your god, and forced by gunpoint to agree with the leadership of the state is a capitalist utopia

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where* not will

> I agree, hard-working people like me should NOT have the fruits of labour taken away by lazy wealthy scum.

Then start your own business or freelance.

>Let's give it to corporations instead :)

ARe you trolling? Corporate profits go to the shareholders who are usually assholes on Wallstreet.

You can't learn Java though. And $30 an hour is very hard to get. I have a cousin who has a degree and can't even get a decent job.

Those are just basic human rights, and omg such a utopia i can pray to something that doesn't exist

What business? Start it in what?

Found brain dead retard.

so do I user, so do I.

:)

Only actual children are libertarians. You must be 18+ to post here. Please leave.

7/10 troll I'm done

I am hard-working too but I do not earn much. One might consider me on the borderline to being poor. I see two problems here: first, society does not care about scientific progress and I am paid under my value. But second, halve of the money my employer has to pay for me is taken away by the state. Of this amount, maybe another halve 'indirectly' benefits me by being spent for health insurance and general services provided by the state (which are mostly bad and inefficient and do only benefit some lazy and corrupt officials) and the other halve is redistributed to people who are not working.

You're a 2/10 troll. If you lived in a real socialist country you'd be tossed in a Gulag for saying the shit you said.

I despite any people with absolute power, you brain dead retard.

So you think if your employer was given more money he'd pay you?

>those are just basic human rights
that communist countries don't have and socialist countries rarely have.
>pray to something that doesn't exist.
I don't care whether you believe or not, not my soul. But still when you start telling me what I need to believe that's where you cross the line.

Simply because human nature doesn't fit with it. Our race is ruled by the will of the strong.

All your problems are your own, stop making excuses.

>You can't learn Java though.
Yes, you can.
Part of my job is to train various subhumans to code and even IQ 60 retards can perform good enough in java junior positions.
>And $30 an hour is very hard to get
Not really.
Novices at upwork are usually paid at 15-20$/hr rate, and after year of work w/out major fuckups they easily get raise to 30-40$/hr.
>I have a cousin who has a degree and can't even get a decent job.
I never look at education when screening candidates. It doesn't matter at all, only code does.
Good github profile will bring you much higher wage than MIT diploma.

> What business? Start it in what?

Whatever you can do that's valuable to other people. Your problem is that you're economically worthless and resent the fact that you are. Do you think doctors, lawyers, programmers, engineers etc sit around reading Marx wishing for the workers uprising? No, because they're not worthless.

It's entirely within your power to not be worthless, but you'd rather cry for handouts than learn a valuable skill which other people will voluntarily pay you for. You could start learning to program today, for free, and practice every day. If you did that by this time next year you'd be worth enough to no longer be a socialist.

>Also dont try and say that communist countries actually do have those rights because you basically admitted it yourself.

>I agree, hard-working people like me should NOT have the fruits of labour taken away by lazy wealthy scum.
And that's why you get paid for your work.
If you're angry about theft, we can talk about income tax.

>that communist countries don't have and socialist countries rarely have.
I honestly wouldn't care if i was poor as long as everyone else was as well.

Literally every problem any of us has is the result of capitalists in wallstreet. Stop blaming yourself for everything, it's mental illness

>Part of my job is to train various subhumans to code and even IQ 60 retards can perform good enough in java junior positions.
Oh then in that case maybe

>Novices at upwork are usually paid at 15-20$/hr rate, and after year of work w/out major fuckups they easily get raise to 30-40$/hr.
Well even that wouldn't satisfy my parents so, not good enough

>Good github profile will bring you much higher wage than MIT diploma.
Bullshit. The only reason my dad is rich is because he went to Yale. He's dumb as hell.

Stop crying. Doctors and lawyers are "not worthless" because they are genetically superior. They had the genes to do well in school and get accepted into a descent school

So the Java jobs in Slavic countries aren't exactly a meme? What tasks are workers required to perform with Java?

You are painfully brainwashed.

I get paid like jack shit. They should pay me way more

dude you live in a slavic country.

Yes, in fact they would most likely. I do work in the official sector in research, we are simply not oriented towards profit maximization. In the long run they would of course try to minimize costs but the biggest issue is that research is bleeding away their best people to the industry as they simply do pay more. And as a research department lives and dies with the quality of its people and their output it would simply not be in their interest to decrease wages even more ...

Decreasing wage labor costs or a tax refund would directly benefit me. Of course, that money would then miss for redistribution. But I'll give you that, most of the money the state takes away is first of all wasted on corruption and lazy and inefficient state officials. Social redistribution comes only second...

> 40$/hr is not enough, I must be showered with gold or else!
And here we have typical socialist speaking about his true motivations.

I'm brainwashed by my own experiences?

When you were raised with literal servants walking around in your house treating you like a God and are told you'll be even richer when you grow up, getting 40 an hour does not seem very satisfying.

They are clearly paying you way too much, probably because your parents begged to employ their worthless spoiled kid.

>I get paid like jack shit. They should pay me way more
You can quit! Get a better job! You have the right and power to change your situation, that's what's great about a free society.
Really, take some responsibility for yourself and your own actions. Don't just let life happen to you.

you know what. I am a poorfag, living in my moms basement. I am 35 and have 2 masters degrees. I can program. And cant get work.

Do you know why I cannot work? Because of the cost of hiring me is too high. I will not get a starting level job, because I am not a starting level employee. Why are the cost of hiring too high? because government add so much taxes for the people who hire me, that I am massively expensive to them.

And you think that I want more socialism? I am in deep shit because socialism, you fucking cunt.

>I want to know what is seriously wrong with socialism?
Every single country that has adopted it has fallen apart
>but muh european socialist countries!
Those are capitalist countries with social programs and whose wealth was created over CENTURIES

I get paid JACK SHIT. And since im still in high-school they can legally pay me less than minimum wage. I make exactly minimum wage since i worked for a year.

You can't get a better job. That's the thing about capitalism. All jobs that pay decent will stamp REJECTED and kick you out. Only minimum wage accepts

Holy shit you're stupid, if....iff... we only taxed the 1% a little less I'd have a job!!!!!!

>wealth was created over centuries
Dude the industrial revolution was in the mid-1800s. No wealth was created before then that has any effect today.

There are volunteer variants socialism. Nothern countries in Europe vote for decades having 50% taxes, because it drops the requirement to personally taking care of stuff. Everything is clean, public transportation works and you have time finding a new job or even go to school again.

In a rather failing workforce with full automation ahead, the capitalistic systems still have to prove to still give everybody a shot. The failing "opiod zones" in the US show already a different picture. If local joboffers drop to critical levels, there is already a problem. Now crystalize this 10-20x times. A form of socialism will have a comeback. Alternatively variants of the Purge or the Hunger games, if preferred.

>people actually fall for this bait
Cmon guys. The Kekistani flag should have given it away instantly.

Plain socialism an capitalism are both trash. Natsoc/or any related ideology not based on the exchange of goods is superior

>Dude the industrial revolution was in the mid-1800s. No wealth was created before then that has any effect today.

Hmmm I wonder what funded the industrial revolution in the countries that were rich enough to modernise.

You're a troll. Enjoy your ban

and the mid-1800s was over 150 years ago.
>but that's not that long!
study Korea's economy post Korean War. They adopted capitalism and went from Somalian levels of poverty to a first world nation

Lefties never take a question and pull the principle from that question out and then proceed finding their answer using that principle. They refuse this concept, which inevitably leads to relativism and rejection of truths, because if they did none of their bullshit would hold water. Socialism is immoral. It's immoral because it forcibly takes from some, the some you designate. You're able to rationalize with your evil brain around this because you refuse to ever look at the principle, which in this case is taking something that does not belong to you by force is wrong. To the Left nothing is about principle but instead about me, me, me.

>Holy shit you're stupid, if....iff... we only taxed the 1% a little less I'd have a job!!!!!!

haha lol. true highschool student. please tell me more about how I should think about life. Maybe add taxes and my life could be even better...

one thing I am sure about right now. You will end up nowhere. You are a loser.

I am a loser, just a different kind of loser. I tried and failed. You will never even try.

Last time I checked South Korea has one of the highest suicide rating since no one can find jobs

You are evil. A freak, a scum. Capitalism is STEALING from the workers and giving it to the capitalists, you can rationalize it but you know it's evil. To you it's all about me me me me and exploitng the worker

>you are a loser
>you never try
I've been trying my whole life and i know i am a loser i already fucked up my life so i don't even know why i care about politics.

>You can't get a better job. That's the thing about capitalism. All jobs that pay decent will stamp REJECTED and kick you out. Only minimum wage accepts
C'mon bro, you really can make it. It's just not easy. Make connections, try broadening your search to other fields, and learn shit. Your local church / support group / whatever is probably happy to give you a helping hand in making connections and getting a job. The hard part is swallowing the pill and making your success your own responsibility, instead of trying to get free stuff for just existing.

He should to the codertests on stackoverflow.com and other sites. If he can't reach 4/5 or 80% he is surely in the wrong job.

I made $22 hacking away webpages/google optimizations for local shops, and now I do $50 for high end java development. The current company has 10 different sub-companies which never run out of jobs. And they already HAVE 100s of people in India, still have enough high level work todo.

Check the skills. Thats all I can say. Better them. Work on a opensource tool for 6 month. The offers will come in, I can assure you.

I have four classes I'm studying for at school how do i have time to do all this other stuff? Where the hell do you make connections?

>I've been trying my whole life and i know i am a loser i already fucked up my life so i don't even know why i care about politics.
>highschool student

What the fuck. Really? Trying your whole life. How'bout get few degrees, get some skills and then tell me you have tried.

>already fucked
Even I am not fucked yet. You are even in better situation, you are younger, for you it is normal to go to study. For me, and oldfag have to go learn some trade.

Why not take control of your own life?

If you code search for a opensource project with high visibility. For example a project that deals with Bitcoin or something. Add functionality. Go to meetings where people talk about things. Where I live I don't go to official nerd meetings anymore because its 30% headhunters and they annoy the shit out of me.

>Where the hell do you make connections?

how exactly you think your life would be better in socialism?

In system that are centrally controlled, all the jobs will go through connections. So it is even more important and you have the same problem.

>What the fuck. Really? Trying your whole life.
Studying a lot like everyday when i got home since i was 10

>How'bout get few degrees
Because i can't do that dingus

>get some skills and then tell me you have tried.
That I'' consider

>Even I am not fucked yet. You are even in better situation, you are younger, for you it is normal to go to study. For me, and oldfag have to go learn some trade.
I got a 70% on my last two tests and about 75% on my last test. Lowering my GPA so much won't get into a descent school. And i studied for those tests.

Same applies to capitalism - retard. That's what people are pissed about. Google Land and Expand for a start

where do you live exactly?

I have a problem. I can code, but don't want to code websites or front-end stuff or be a consultant. Where should I go to find big projects that are "in-house"-projects?

Well in that case I'd be better since my dad is an investment banker and manager at Morgan Stanley so I have connections in THAT aspect. But the reason my life under socialism would be better is even though I'd be poor everyone else would be poor too.

The reason i hate being poor is because all my friends are getting accepted into Harvard and stuff and im just going to be poor after high-school. But if everyone else especially the guys who bully me were going to be poor too I wouldn't mind it so much.

Here's one more (you) for effort.

You can do better.
youtube.com/watch?v=JdwyAcJ8j2U
Motivate yourself.

If you feel that you cannot do uni or that shit, there are machinists / welding / what ever stuff that (at least me) finds interesting. Also if you are very good at it (and usually that is by will, not by luck. I mean the talent does not matter that much) you get paid handsomely.

There are stuff to do. But it does not help to say that right now you are paid like shit. Capitalism offers freedom and rewards people who try. Socialism does not reward people who try, it rewards people who are lucky and know people.

You are also living in the age where soon masters degrees are fucking useless.

>Last time I checked South Korea has one of the highest suicide rating since no one can find jobs

Yes, but its not jobs. Its the insane pressure by family and the public, to be absolutely top successful. Which is nearly impossible since there must be seconds and thirds and a top 50.

This has more todo how people perceive their personal success than anything else. Not finding an aquedate job to cheer about is just a puzzle piece in this.

>working to enrich another enriches me also
kek

You're already being banned for trolling.

>guess what, rich people only generate jobs that generate THEM money. So for every dollar a rich guy puts in the economy he gets it back PLUS profits.

Wow, you are literally economically illiterate

>socialist

Oh, that explains it

China is the most successful capitalist economy on the planet. It's also a socialist commie shithole.
Clearly, socialism and capitalism are compatible.
I fail to see your problem or your argument.

You are either sociopath (I heavily doubt this)
or
you have not understood the fact that you are happier if people around you are happier. And that this is not a null sum game.

Keep your eyes open and trust yourself. Find a thing that you love and become fucking good at it. And be entrepreneurial, take risks.

yea, and make your dad give me a job, pronto. I will give you ten grand if I get a job there.

Yeah but i mean you won't fit in if you do that

That's exactly my problem though. My dad wants me to be a banker or a lawyer or some shieeeet and i know i'll never be it. I'd be 100% fine being poor if my family was and everyone else was as well.

East coast.

There are hundreds of companies searching for entry level coders. You don't need to oversell yourself, claim starting position so you can get a foot in the door. stackoverflow.com has a well regarded job section (there are 50 other sites like this).

I'm a consultant and build up enough contacts probably for a lifetime. I just showed up in local meetups, depending what is interesting for you.
The last meetup was about VR in Industry (I didn't go, not my interest), but the local sharky headhunters where there.

This isn't turning patties in a burger shop. Finding good people for a good price that doesn't jump ship when they make 2$/h more gives such kinds of workers currently an huge advantage.

You are economically illiterate. My dad is the one who told me that

You don't understand basic psychology. You are happier if you are superior to those around you, and are unhappy if you are inferior to those around you. If everyone was poor and i was less poor i'd be happy if everyone was a billionaire and i was a millionaire id be unhappy. Basic psychology

LOL my dad says im an idiot he'd never listen to me telling him to give a job to someone on Sup Forums

And who the fuck wants to fit in? Really?

I see that you like socialism. It would mean that you would be just like everybody else, wear the same clothes, think the same, be the same.

But life is not about being the same that someone else. Life is being you and finding your way. Who the fuck wants to buy a Ferrari? really? What do you do with it? Show of to other people that you are doing good? Why? To make them feel jealous about your success? If that gives you good feeling, I think you have lost yourself.

And remember, I am the capitalist cunt in this discussion. Anarcho-capitalist almost. And I am the one argumenting against luxury goods. Why? Because of the freedom. You are free to chase them if you want, I just dont want them.

>im an idiot
>im socialist
Makes sense.

Do you work from home office or something?

Would love to work in an office, doing some meaningful project. Just kind a lost where to go for this (started looking like a month ago)

>who wants to fit in?
Me

> It would mean that you would be just like everybody else, wear the same clothes, think the same, be the same.
I wouldn't mind that

>But life is not about being the same that someone else. Life is being you and finding your way
Being myself is why i get called queer and freak everyday in school

> Show of to other people that you are doing good? Why? To make them feel jealous about your success? If that gives you good feeling, I think you have lost yourself.
Having wealth makes you resistant to critism. This guy on the football team always calls me freak and ugly and faggot and really the only defense I have is my dad is rich as hell and therefor I am. I would have NO responses to him if i wasn't rich and would probably just go home and cry.