One Piece 857

Ch. 857 Rook
Chopper and the others call out to Luffy and Sanji from the mirror world.
Sanji is surprised to hear their voice from a nearby dropped mirror.
Luffy and Chopper confirm each other's situation.
Luffy tells them that they're gonna crash the tea party and wedding ceremony.

Jinbei tells them that the ministers met so far are the tip of the iceberg of the Big Mom pirates and those veterans will be attending the tea party.
And they will also have to take into account the lords of the underworld that were invited from many countries.

Jinbe then starts to talk about Bege's true colors.
In the West Blue, there were 5 strong mafia that controlled the underworld society.
One of the bosses was Bege, and he was a cruel man who enjoyed cutting the heads off of animals and watching them squirm.
Back in his gang days, he targeted the other bosses, but he was only interested in taking their heads, not showing any interest in area or territory.
He reveled in the bloody war for supremacy.
On top of that, he killed his would be avengers from his iron castle and laughed at their regret.
Still being chased in the seas by those seeking revenge, Bege found a good cover as a Yonko's subordinate.รง

After buying his honed cautiousness and defensive strength, he was made a fighter "Rook" rank, and was entrusted with full authority in defense.
It appears that Bege is using is dull authority to take the head of Big Mom who is obsessed with killing the Vinsmoke and taking control of Germa.

Thinking that this is not the true to make them enemies as well, Jinbe proposes to Luffy and Sanji about making an alliance with Bege.
Luffy agrees with Jinbe's proposal.
When Jinbe gets in contact with Bege again, it's decided that they're gonna go meet him right away.

Whole Cake Island Northwest Firetank Pirates Secret Base

Bege: "Jinbe isn't the type of man to joke around. It's a good argument to increase the number of people seeking to oppose Big Mom."

End

Oh I get the joke now. Capone is "Rook" rank, a Rook is a castle, and so is he.

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Tomorrow

Post SaNami pls

I wan to protect her smile.

Canon soon

>this thread

I hope so

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>BB had to fight seriously in front of his superior
why are you assuming this

Shanks specifically said that Teach was laying low on purpose, and Teach confirms this 2 chapters later

/OUR OTP/

Why doesn't Vegapunk just build satellite lasers for the Navy?

sanafag here. you're making us look bad you fuck, stop it

he might as well build planes.

Why didn't Monet just fly to Raftel?

>Bege tries to kill Pekoms
>SH save Pekoms, twice
>SH still ally with Bege
Do they want to be shot in the back?

Because that's further away from Dofy's cock.

beacause she doesn't know star navigation

Is Axe-Hand Morgan stronger than Sanji?

Coby is stronger than Sanji

remember when people rgought that jack is actually morgan?

He managed to hurt Garp, the man who dueled with Roger. He's as strong as Buggy.

>big mom will fall to bege and vinsmokes

I hate this.

What do you think Uranus is?

I'm a Begefag. Don't worry, i think Bege will also die with her.

>bege actually doing shit
>urouge took down a sweet commander
>meanwhile Kid is getting jailraped by a bunch of Vikings

Why's Oda fucking with our expectations?

I hope he won't do Hawkins dirty

Bege is allied with Blackbead

>He's as strong as Buggy.
Holy fuck, that's Yonkou tier.

Is there anyone who isn't stronger than Sanji?

So if she is not working with Bege, who is she working with? Is she just loyal to Big Mom? Or is she getting blacked by blackbeard?

Rank the strawhats from favorite to least favorite

Robin > Luffy > Usopp > Zoro > Brook > Franky > Nami > Sanji > Chopper

It's simple. He had to hype Urouge because people tought he was irrelevant and it's Bege's arc. Kid, who had been hyped the most up to then, has been used to hype Kaido. Now Kid will be the perfect outsider for Wano. His story is far from over, he's still the main rival of Luffy (not counting BB).

Garp was literally sleeping at the time.

Switch Sanji and Zoro and you have my rank.

Usopp > Luffy > Sanji > Robin > Franky > Brook > Chopper > Zoro > Nami

Pudding is with Big Mom. No way she'd ally herself with someone who wants to kill her mommy.

Big Mom and WB wouldn't have allowed that. Shame on him.

Robin > Usopp > Brook > Luffy > Franky > Zoro > Sanji > Chopper > Nami

Brook=Franky>Robin

Don't really care about the others. Sanji used to be up there before this arc

Robin > Brook > Usopp > Franky > Luffy > Jinbei >Zoro >Nami > Sanji > Chopper

Robin > Brooks > Pre-TS Franky > Luffy = Zoro > Sanji > Usopp > Nami = Post-TS Franky > Chopper

What did he do wrong? Stop this meme now.

Robin > Usopp > Franky > Brook > Luffy > Zoro > Chopper > Sanji >>> Nami

There is like no difference between Franky now and Franky pre-TS besides the way he looks.

He was an absolute moron through and through

What girl will side with Blackbeard then ?
He HAS to have a few girl in his crew, and I'm not talking about those girls

>Sanji and Nami not first

Apparently unpopular opinion but i like him better right now. At first glance it's really weird but after 1-2 chapters i've started loving it. He finally look like a true big cyborg.

Luffy > Robin > Pre TS Zoro > Carrot >Franky = Brook = Usopp > Chopper > Post TS Zoro >>>>>>>>Nami > Sanji = Vivi

Not really, no. He did what he had to do.

Chopper > Sanji > Franky > Brook > Luffy > Zoro > Usopp > Robin > Nami

I haven't read One Piece in years but I'm thinking about picking it back up. Seeing that they're doing Yonko's now is incredible, glad things are getting serious.

Why isn't Jinbe a fucking Straw Hat yet? If the power creep is as huge as it was back in the day, how will they scale him back up when he inevitably joins 10 years from now?

there not real strawhat

Le epic pre/post timeskip Zoro meme
kys my man

>besides the way he looks.
And now you know why I rank post-TS franky lower than Pre.

Good question. But he's still a fishman so he can be a huge fucker when fighting next to ship and the sea, so he's a pain in the ass against DF users he can get his haki right

Sanji>Franky>Usopp>Brook>Robin>Luffy>Zoro>Nami>Chopper
They all have the potential to be great though.

Power creep has never been huge. Jinbei is as strong as he was we first met him. Which is now Sanji/Zoro lvl.

Jinbe is a Strawhat now, it's not even up to debate anymore.
Also One Piece has had the most down-to-earth power creep out of any long-running battle manga.

Telling Luffy to fuck off and calling his dream stupid to his face is absolutely moronic. The goal was to get them off the island for their safety and he did the one thing that was guaranteed to make them stay and fuck shit up, which they did. Any Strawhat should know that dissing the Pirate King dream will make Luffy mad

Then we learn that he wants to save the people he doesn't even consider his family and who've done nothing but torture him all his life

>blaming Sanji and not Oda for shit writing
Wew

there was literally no way to make luffy leave the island, sanji just assumed that was his best bet

>The goal was to get them off the island for their safety and he did the one thing that was guaranteed to make them stay

Not really, no. Nothing would've made the leave. He tried his best and it was not enough.

>Then we learn that he wants to save the people he doesn't even consider his family and who've done nothing but torture him all his life

It include Reiju and it's understandable knowing his character even for the others. Also saving their lifes while still making them lose all their power is the most noble and enjoyable revenge possible.


Sanji has been doing fine. Not his fault Judge and Big Mom are monsters

To be fair its not his brothers fault they are the way they are, and Reijuu regrets doing the things she had to do. Letting Big Mom murder them in cold blood would be uncharacteristic of Sanji.

I'm blaming Oda but in-universe Sanji's acting like a moron

I know it was useless anyway but he picked the absolute worst option. No Strawhat should disrespect Luffy's dream regardless of the reason, and certainly not follow up by kicking his face in multiple times. Sanji acted like a retard

>sanji just assumed that was his best bet
Why though? Everyone knows that Luffy is going to throw his life on the line for anyone he considers his friend. Sanji has seen this dozens of times.

Did Oda really expect us to believe that a note or verbal statement was going to actually dissuade Luffy from charging headfirst into trouble?

> Disassociating the characters's will from the authors's.

What kind of mental illness is that?

autism

She's an undercover marine agent along with ichiji.

>Did Oda really expect us to believe that a note or verbal statement was going to actually dissuade Luffy from charging headfirst into trouble?

No. It was supposed to showcase a man trapped in a unresolvable issue, under incredible pressure, trying his best to save his friends from sure deaths. Which it did well.

luffy knew sanji didn't mean any of what he said, there was no actual disrespect, more of a show of compliance towards his family/articulation of frustration at the whole situation

But Jinbe is already a strawhat.

Pretty sure the point of the whole situation was for the readers to realize Sanji was being irrational. He felt so hopeless, backed into a corner, and was trying his hardest not to get his friends involved. He forgot though that one of those people is Luffy who gives absolutely zero fucks. The guy was mentally broken so of course he made some stupid decisions.

the fact that Mom let him walk away make this smell suspicious. He might be an unwitting plant.

She didn't though. He backed out of the roulette

The fact that Luffy didnt believe the bullshit Sanji told him doesn't excuse the fact that Sanji tried in the first place though, that's my point. I know why he did it, I know it all worked out in the end, my gripe is with Sanji's line of thinking exclusively. That was the first grain of salt and then the fact that he was absolutely passive at every stage of the first half of this arc made me like him less with every new chapter. Oda can turn that around but he'll have to work hard and I frankly have a hard time picturing it

>implying Big Mom's daughters would betray her
Chiffon and Praline will spill the beans and fuck their husbands over.

>He backed out of the roulette
Why would she assume that he wouldn't try something when he already showed that he was willing to leave though? Opera didn't act like Jinbei was in anyway stripped of his position so that means BM had someone that told her to her face he wants to leave and she just blows it off when he backs down.

But is Sanji so desperate that he'll forget the nature of the man he's sailed with for years? I don't really believe that. But at the same time the fight was believable because he was trying to put up a face for his family as well as "beat" the message into luffy.

You can make sense of it but it's just odd and feels out of character.

Why doesn't Enel nuke all of his competition from space and then land comfortably on Raftel?

You can't land on a place that is hidden in your hearts..

What's on Raftel that he wants? He wanted Endless Vearth, and that's the Moon. He's got the Moon. He wanted subjects, that's the robots. He's got everything he ever wanted.

Luffy's feels at the time were less important than his life. What's the problem? He believed it was the best to save their lifes (which is true, Big Mom could've killed them if she wanted to). I don't understand your problem, he just tried his best to make them leave but they din't.

>out of character
I agree but then again that's Oda's fault for being unorginal and copying pre timeskip

Another setup chapter...

Welcome to One Piece. You been reading long?

What's not a setup chapter? The fights?

At least, it's something

Is Luffy still missing his tooth?

>Why would she assume that he wouldn't try something when he already showed that he was willing to leave though?

Overconfidence

>be on the moon
>see the redline
>decide to be the ruler of the planet
>attacks Mariejoie during the Final War

So we can agree that this guy is one of the most dangerous DF users around right? Especially if you have no idea what to expect, like BB and his entire crew at the time found out the hard way.

If he was present during Marineford, I wonder how much of a difference he would make?

>What's the problem?
I can't rationalize how Sanji thought telling Luffy to leave would actually work. Even if he's desperate he acts like he forgot that Luffy literally puts his life on the line for complete strangers he met the day before. Yes he's desperate but he's still sane enough to fight his friend/boss and then go plead for their lives two chapters later (correctly) assuming that they were probably going to stay.

This is the guy who has routinely shown himself to be one of the, if not the most level headed member of the group. I don't really feel like he's so pressured that he would forget who Luffy is. The Note was slightly better because he did say he would return.

Why didn't Doffy ask Sugar for touch Kaido and erease his existence?

That big-ass transformation he had would've taken out most of Whitebeard's niggas.

BB is shit
if he would be strong then he could avoid Magellan's attack with his CoO and CoA

Yes

If he had CoA why would he have worked so hard to get a Devil Fruit that basically does the same thing?

he needed that devil fruit to nullify other DF's
haki doesn't do the same

Because CoA was a retcon. Oda realized he wrote himself into a corner with some fruits and invented a power to circumvent it. Haki was okay when it was Mantra+POWER GLARE

Is this your first time discussing a fictional series?

I hope we'll see him again, he's one of my favourites

Bon Clay escape mini-arc when?