So why does an AnCap like Molyneux care about illegal immigrants again?

So why does an AnCap like Molyneux care about illegal immigrants again?
Doesn't he want an open free market where employers can hire anybody for however much they like?

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He's a paleocon. His end goal and idolized society is an ancap one, but he doesn't understand that you don't half ass an ideology to get compete results.

I'm am actual ancap, ama

>Doesn't he want an open free market where employers can hire anybody for however much they like?
and how do you get an open and free market by voting for the government to import non-tax payers and give them benefits?

>ancaps are for open borders

>In a covenant concluded among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one's own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.

How do you reconcile the fact that wealth creates heirarchy, as an ancap?

You can't create a society of high individual liberty when people who vote against you start pouring in across the border.

Have to get rid of welfare first. Then open the borders and only people who add value will come and stay.

never trust youtubers who make a living acting like a smart-ass know-it-all cunt. they are usually profiting of (and scamming) fatherless beta-men who seek for direction in life.

Even without welfare there is incentive for non white immigrants to come here. Those people will have children who become citizens, and they will vote for welfare.

Freedom only exists because of white people. You can try to argue about the cause, but you can't argue against the reality. The notion that hispanics are conservative and going to all vote as such one day is a total myth. If America isn't majority white then freedom of speech as we know it dies.

Open borders without a government enforced welfare state doesn't create migration into this system.
Closed borders help to keep the welfare migration (that wouldn't happen if the system wasn't there) at a lower level.

Completely ditching the welfare state is not an easy achievable aim (unless you aim for a complete collapse), closed borders is.

>ability to 'vote' for welfare
get rid of that too.
do you even know what ancap is?

most lolbertarians end up coming to conclusion that a libertard utopia can only exist in a 100% white society.
therefore,
step 1) remove mud races
step 2) continue to make youtube videos while living in white democratic non-lolbertarian society forever

Don't be a fucking retard.
The issue with the AnCap argument is framing. The AnCap country isn't going to merely pop into existence, it would have to be fought for, it would have to be fought for tooth and nail against already existing power structures.
Stop living in a fantasy world and start being pragmatic.

The very beginnings of an AnCap society couldn't even be established unless the population was a conservative white super majority.

if people can vote for welfare, it's not an ancap society.
your premise is false, and therefore your assertions are dubious

Examine your failed logic and try again, retard.

He's a bandwagon jumper.

how do you stop the natural progression to feudalism?

this is probably bait but whatever... a free society does not imply open borders. people would own property in a free society, and they would be free to put up borders on their property, and/or prohibit people, or just certain people, from entering. in fact, within a free society, white nationalists could literally collectivize and create their ethnostate, with borders, walls, and whatever dumb authoritarian laws they wanted, etc... and there is no issue with NAP violations because they would only allow people into their ethnostate who agreed to their terms.

so, again... free society doesn't not mean open borders because part of being FREE is being FREE to put up borders. really simple.

what if i want to put up boarders through your back yard?

also, can answer this ?

wouldnt be a problem without a state but there's a state so its a problem

how about you cut every single fucking social benefit you love so much and then we'll discuss open border, faggot

No.

Illegal aliens violate the NAP by claiming welfare and cementing it as an institution even more.

We cannot open our boarders until we have ZERO welfare

then you're violating my property rights and you would be dealing with whatever agency I contracted to assist me in these matters.

if you do something blatantly wrong like this, you're going to find it doesn't end well for you. the key to living in a free society is treating people the way you want to be treated (very simplistic way of looking at it). if you don't do this, you're not going to be dealing with the people you fucked with, you'll be dealing with a massive rights enforcement agency, or something of that nature, and no one will take your side because you're wrong.

if you don't understand this stuff, go and read. these concerns were addressed decades ago. try Rothbard if you want a place to start.

>So why does an AnCap like Molyneux care about illegal immigrants again?

because his patreons care?

Libertarian ideals are a meme. It can only work in a white and Christain society. Once you pour millions of shitskins into the world libertarianism can't exist.

This is the natural progression of everyone who calls themselves libertarian and all will eventually conclude the same thing.

Wtf happened to him

Then he fires off a tactical nuke and destroys you house.

friendly reminder that ancap is the ultimate eugenic program. the world would be less than 1% nigger in 100 years within an ancap world

Then he fires off a tactical nuke and destroys your house.

Stefan molyneux changes his opinions based on what he can profit with.


>christians are the worst people in the world
>realizes christians arent afraid to empty their pockets and give him Money,also easy to shame
>CHRISTIANS ARE THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

this cunt just jumps on what is popular and what he can make more Money with

It's is all about protecting your rights.
Illegal immigrants create a high proportion of the total crime in a society.
30 % of American prisoners are illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants take jobs low wage jobs, which makes young people very inept to adjust to business, because it is hard to have student jobs.
Rather have controlled immigration, and no minimum wage. These two factors would revolutionize the american economy.

A feudal system where feudal lords are forced to compete with each other for citizens, which they would have to do by providing land to live and work on, which offered the highest standard of living, is not something I see as problematic. Competition would basically force the "lords" to have a mostly capitalistic system in which people could rise and ultimately buy land themselves. At the very least, this system would be vastly superior to the current social democracy we're all subject to. The problem with feudalism comes when "feudal lords" are able to collude with each other to inhibit competition which opens the door to exploitation of the people. This is basically what countries do, they collude to prevent people from leaving shitty countries and moving to good countries, which means countries can be as shitty as they want and there's not much people can do.

Molyneux is a fucking weasel who constantly changes his ideology to pander to Sup Forumsfags and redditors.

you are assuming too much in this scenario. You assume you have the wealth or means to contract mercenaries. Also, you assume I don't have more mercenaries or even common thugs at my disposal. If i am free, then I am free to be a warlord. If you have to submit to power for protection how are you better off?

...ever heard of the welfare state?

Stefan understands that importing millions of niggers and giving them voting rights, and giving them gibs isn't the way to a more libertarian society.
His ideology is consistent.

This guy thinks he’s “changing the world” but he has no new information to offer the world because there is nothing new under the sun.

You're talking about early Molyneux, he used to be AnCap. Late Molyneux is ethno-nationalist.

>as long as [the lords] don't collude with each other
and who will prevent this?

he BTFO single moms on a regular basis. that's enough for me

this is a natural logical progression.

ancap is the stupidest most ironic, and hypocritial ideology there is. Its just, kill establishment, replace it with the same thing.

What magic powers do white people have that other ethnicities don't have?
Why not Indians? They have a higher education rate than white people in the US.
What about Asian people? Hong Kong seemed highly successful under British rule.

Everyone wants to fuck them

I only marginally like the man and his videos are overlong rambling bloated fuckers. He liked Ayn Rand well enough but couldn't handle it when she annhilated anarchism and any notions that it can be married to Capitalism. He tried and failed to "rebutt" her on this, observe the comment section: youtube.com/watch?v=My2sLnHpyG4

Reminder that LfCap>AnCap because Minarchism>Anarchism and in turn because Objective Law>Polycentric Law
>Inb4 kike
The most anti kike to Jew to literally ever live. Unless you believe that absurdity that Capitalism is merely a shekel rubbing jooish scheme. Learn to recognize crypto-coms larping as NatSocs, dipshits.
Objectivism is Meta-Capitalism like how Marxism is Meta-Communism and is the literal greatest threat that leftist statist's have ever encountered.
The left are fine with you reading Hitler but generally want you to forget Ayn Rand ever existed. Do not write off Man's great Uber-philosophy just because you've been ingrained with some maymays and myths about her.

This

If ancap actually happens, the only companies that would have enough for mercenaries would be all of the liberal companies you hate.

Reminder that Libertarian should only be used as a technical classifier and that "Libertarianism" is simply incomplete Objectivism. youtube.com/watch?v=erytcpYpzRk Objectivism without the epistemology. Libertarianism does not carry enough epistemic weight or is based in stable enough philisophic foundations to deserve the ism appended to it.

Christ how many people does he pay to advertise his shitty youtbue channel on here?

it's quite difficult to collude because all it takes is one person/business to break the agreement and the collusion falls to pieces and there is a massive short-term incentive to break the agreement.

for example: if all feudal lords were colluding to badly exploit their people, if one feudal lord decided to offer better conditions, against the collusive agreement, a lot of citizens would migrate to this lords land, and would generate income for the feudal lord that broke the agreement (this is the incentive I mentioned - they get a ton of extra business in the short-term). all the other lords would be forced to follow suit if they wanted any of their customers/citizens to remain in their territory and the cartel is destroyed.

if there was only 1 or 2 feudal lords, then collusion may an issue, however, if we're talking about hundreds or thousands, I don't think a cartel would be sustainable.

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Stefan Molyneux isn't really a good debater at all. He can't admit that "the non-aggression principle," AnCap, and Republican-Trump values all can't work at the same time.

In the second video, he can't just answer the question of whether 5 year old kids should be allowed to buy heroin. He just dodges the question over and over again. He can't admit that some state control may be necessary, and violence may be necessary in order to enforce it. He just thinks that people will boycott heroin dealers and everything will be great in his AnCap world.

Beecause letting in people who just largely vote for handouts and socialism while drastically destroying everywhere they live into what they came from is a bad fucking idea. He basically has said that as much as he wants a voluntarist society it will be drastically harder to ever make that happen when the vast majority of your nation is now composed of lazy retards who just want free shit from white people, and aren't interested in debating ideas or seeking liberty.

he says what he's paid

>why does an AnCap care about hordes of people leeching off the welfare state

gee what a mystery

The thing about rights enforcement agencies is that they will charge you based on your behavior. People who follow a code of conduct similar to what is preached in the bible (do unto others, etc...) and who follow basic guidelines to minimize their risk of being a victim, would be able to purchase very comprehensive security for a low price. Sure, you can be a warlord, but if you mess with me, you're going up against a massive rights enforcement agency.

There would likely also be many communities with homes, schools, etc... that offered security services as part of the package of living in the community. Again, as a warlord, you would be dealing with a fairly large business who would probably have contracted a fairly large and powerful rights enforcement agency to keep their customers rights from being infringed.

No matter how you slice it, if you try to do some dumb shit like "be a warlord" it's just not going to work well for you. You would be serving your interests far better by being a productive member of society.

>If you have to submit to power for protection how are you better off?
Do you seriously not understand this? I would be free to choose the rights enforcement agency that enforced my rights, and this agency would be competing with other agencies for my business. Can you not see how this is vastly superior to having my resources taken against my will, and given to a useless and corrupt police force?

>So why does an AnCap like Molyneux care about illegal immigrants again?
He came to the realization that he'll never get his libertarian paradise if there's a bunch of low IQ brown trash running around.

you haven't answered my question. who will prevent lords from breaking your rules?
You can't just say
>people will move away to a nicer lord's land.
This is just mass immigration and raises even more problems.

KIll yourself.

i never liked him but atleast a couple of years ago he had actual beliefs, now his just riding whatever gives him the most shekels

>they will charge you based on your behavior
who gives enforcement agencies the RIGHT to enforce violence on others?

I did answer your question. No one "prevents" collusion. Collusion is simply difficult to do. Gotta work now, so can't reply anymore. Sorry.

Paleolib, actually. But I suppose Paleolibs are basically Paleocons that understand why protectionism is a long-term setback.

well if some warlord attacked me unprovoked, I believe this qualifies as "self-defense"...

I am not talking about defending yourself. I'm talking about your idea of a separate agency that enforces on the behalf of the defenseless. It's an entity you defined.

He indoctrinated me into his cult and made me do exotic dances

He understands that non-whites always vote for bigger government. It doesn’t make sense to import people into a culture that will vote the culture away.

So your answer is "no one will stop them." You made my argument for me.

U clearly don’t understand his point lol

>I am a proud anarchist you guys
>I dont believe in voting or in the state you guys
>tells people to vote for Donald trump

>Muslims arent the problem
>Muslims are the problem

>Christians are the worst people!
>wow molymeme i guess i wont give you
my Money if that is how you feel....
>Christians are the best people!!!!!!!!!

>IQ doesnt have anything to do with race
>IQ is genetic and nobody should race mix

>Nationalism is a cancer in the world that always leads to violence
>Nationalism starts to become more popular in Alt movements
>Nationalism is the way of the future you guys!

>This show is free! you only donate if you have to!!!!!!
>If you dont donate to me you are stealing from me,stop exploiting us!
>i really apreciate your donations but make fun of small donations!!!!!!

>I am a very peaceful person!
>I had dreams about bashing my moms head
with a bat

>Freedomain Isnt a cult you guys!
>Freedomain cult members on the inside
always atack people that havent defood

>Try to have good relationships with your family
>but not if they believe in the state BECAUSE THIS PEOPLE WANT YOU DEAD IF THEY SUPPORT THE STATE

>i am all about family values!
>tells people all the time to leave their families that were "abusive"(abusive being anything that doesnt fit his parenting methods) even teens

Libertarians have been saying he's not one anymore for a while now, probably because he's a Trump supporter and a nationalist now, but he's vague on policies he wants, he just criticizes ones he doesn't like all the lazy youtube skeptics.

hoppe is just a fascist who's too chickenshit to call himself one

he literally conceded my point. Follow the argument up the thread.

Because, unlike a jew, he has the capacity to think beyond the profit to be made in the next 5 minutes.

>unlike a jew
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There's nothing wrong with voluntarist fascism tbqh.

The only reason why I stopped sympathizing with Fascism and became a Libertarian is because the coercive mechanics of a fascist government can be taken over by Leftists after a regime change (see: modern Germany) and used to screw up society.

>voluntarist
>fascist
oxy moron my guy. and i'm pretty sure those leftists aren't volunteering to be "physically removed"

>"be a warlord" it's just not going to work well for you.
Afghanistan has proven again and again, that if you are working on and waging on insurgency, then the money from the "mega corp" to counter the surgency would be easily exeeding their earnings or earnings they could make.

In a sense, this is the same fantasy the ultra leftist have. They claim, in their leftist idealistic way, there will be imaginary people who will chugg on 60h weeks for a thank you. On the other side there are this people who simply can't afford to move or to pay for extendend security and there will be 1000s who will exploit this. And then people will shrug it off, because it doesn't concern them (who cares about Detroit or Denver) and then you end up at the same dysfunctional dystopia.

We should at least start from what know and experience. And we know that there is now opportunism galore to make you suffer so I get more.

If a leftist signs a covenant which includes a clause stating that if they advocate leftism they will be physically removed, they're consenting to being physically removed when they advocate leftism.

DELET THIS

>LITERALLY social contract theory
such ancap wow

Open immigration is fine as long as there's no wellfare

He’s looking 100% comped in that picture.

this dude aint that bad, sure he changes his mind on things, at least he acknowledges that he used to think one way but now thinks another.

can you imagine a horde of starving and desperate people?