German invasion of Poland

Can someone explain to me why Germany invaded Poland? I have a hard time believing the common narrative that it was for "muh living space"

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KYS mongrel.
Your polak (jew) genetics have ruined your ability to comprehend, due to the skull thickness you got.

they wanted danzig, poland didint want to give it to them

Poles were genociding Germans Hitler told them to cut it out the Poles said fuck you so the Germans invaded.

To start a war. That's what they wanted to do with the annexation of Austria and tcheckoslovakia. But britain cucked itself with "muh appeasement"

Poles were robbing and raping Silesia

Show me some proof.

>Hitler: Gib Danzig!
>Britain: Don't take Hitler's shit, Poland, we've got you covered!
>France: Oui.
>Poland: I don't need to worry now that I know that my friends on the West have me covered. Fuck you, Hitler!

uk wanted war , backed poland, told them not to give up danzig, theyd back them up etc. etc. so pr0land went all in, even after hitler offered parts of silesia prussia etc. more generous offer than any other german leader gave to poland from 1917


poland should of just given up danzig nothing would of happened

Essentially because the Poles were committing genocide against the Germans in Danzig and surrounding areas. Before Hitler invaded to save the Germans the filthy Poles had murdered som 40 000 German civilians. Essentially Germany just asked the Poles to step down, but the Brits and French were encouraging Poland to pick a fight. Then everyone acted surprised when Germany finally liberated their Eastern territories

Du lügst, du Polacke!

I heard there were ethnic germans living in ancient territory and wanted back in. Basically Chimera-tier operation. Is this true?

>Given any sea border essentially making your nation irrelevant
>This is a good deal
>Hitler totally won't demand more land later like he did with Czechoslovakia

watch this >> youtube.com/watch?v=pe0gIdVgeow

this

then when wehrmacht entered poland, uk vanished but got what they wanted anyway

to show how much they gave a fuck about the poles, churchill gave stalin poland after the war aswell making their situation 10x worse than it would of been under hitler

he never wanted to bomb warsaw but the allies forced Poland not to surrender. Hitler was forced to bomb the city until poland capitulated.

>making their situation 10x worse than it would of been under hitler
>under Hitler
>Genocide

>Under Stalin
>Recovery from WW2
>Higher population than in Pre-WW2 Poland
>Communists expelled jews in 60s

large parts of poland werre german before ww1 and were taken after they lost the war - hitler only wanted danzig, 2.5m german speaking citizens who wanted to join the reich - hitler even offered poland to keep all economic control over danzig, he just wanted political control and allow citizens to join reich + reich trains to travel through corridor.

fuck poland

Difference is an allied Poland would serve as a hugely valuable buffer between Germany and USSR, whereas Czechoslovakia would be nothing but a spearhead almost directly to Berlin

It's road to Russia dumbass and Russia is biggest landmass with oil and resources. If Germany would ger Russia then it would become more powerful than USA ever was.

Because some Anglofuck in charge of League of Nation-owned Danzing stirred shit between Germans and Poles.

so lets bring back Communism in your county if its so great

>un-ironically buying the appeasement meme which covers up the dirty dealings churchill and allies were up to the entire war

fuck off shlomo

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Both systems are fucking retarded
But Communism was slightly better for Poland than Nazism

Nice Strawman, by the way

not talking about polish jews or degenerates. polish christians were fine under occupation

poland and pope basically started the entire communist collapse in 80s, most anti communist eastern bloc state cause they were treated so terribly. you dont even know history in your own country. hitler should of gassed you when he could

>>Under Stalin
>>Recovery from WW2
>>Higher population than in Pre-WW2 Poland
>>Communists expelled jews in 60s
Literally wut?
Poland still has a ton of jews and was economically stagnate during the Cold War

they didnt. it was soviet/jewish propaganda

The fact of the matter is that Germany couldn't be trusted to keep their word. Even ignoring the actions of Britain and France Hitler at now point portrayed Danzig as his true final demand. After all at the treaty of Munich Hitler claimed that the Sudetenland was his final demand but within a year he had annexed the rest of Czechoslovakia, forced Lithuania to cede Memel, and demanded Danzig from Poland. There is zero reason Poland should have trusted Hitler.

>Difference is an allied Poland would serve as a hugely valuable buffer between Germany and USSR, whereas Czechoslovakia would be nothing but a spearhead almost directly to Berlin
Hitler intended to wage an offensive war against the USSR anyway, a buffer state is irrelevant. Beyond that your plan gives Poland even less reason to bow to German pressure "hey if you agree to cede Danzig we can ensure you that WW2 is fought primarily on Polish soil so Polish men will die and Polish cities will be razed instead of German cities."

>wehraboo
>american
>neo nazi
>says stupid shit like " poland and pope basically started the entire communist collapse in 80s, most anti communist eastern bloc state cause they were treated so terribly. you dont even know history in your own country. hitler should of gassed you when he could"
>claims the he knows more about history of my country than I do
End yourself mutt

Under Communism our population recovered from WW2
We lost 1/4 of our fucking population during the war

you should rather ask why Poles attacked that radio station in Glewitz

Nobody, even then, believes this

So you gained people but still have a ton of jews and got economically fucked by idiot Communists?
And this is somehow a good thing?

Germany didnt invade Poland.
Poles took German farm land as reparations for WW1. " Prussia"
Poles/Antifa killed 65000 ethnic germans in the Danzig Massacre.
Germans took back their clay, then poles killed more Germans in the Bloody Sunday massacre.
Germany stomped Poland in two weeks.

This

what theh fuck
fuck poland

>Still have a ton of Jews
Mind providing a source. According to Wikipedia at least
>91% of Poles are Catholic
>1% are Orthodox
>2% are Other
>5% are non-Religious
>1% Refused to answer

Affter Piłsudski death, Poland had really shitty goverment who worshiped values of (((Allies)))

All these responses are retarded. Don’t listen to them user. 1. Poland had taken land from the German empire. That meant East Prussia was disconnected which is unacceptable. Both cities also wanted Danzig. Which was a city next to East Prussia. Furthermore, poles had been carrying out mass deportations of ethnic native Germans. And finally, it had become known in the reichstag that Poland was planning an invasion of Germany to take all the land just past Berlin.
Not invading Poland would have been national suicide.

Honestly these other explanations are said as fuck.

1. Hitler wanted to restore the "imperial" potential of Germany from the II Reich time

2. Found the possibility of regaining colonies too difficult (they were Anglo then)

3. Decided to destroy the Bolshevik (Czechoslovakia too but that was a side project)

4. Polan is on his way, wants it as his sort of ally kind of like Finlan

5. Polan doesn't know what's going on, is scared, joins the Anglo

6. Hitler is pissed decided to switch Polan and the Bolshevik in his plans for a while

Abridged as fuck but that's literally this. Unless you have any further questions. I love the topic of WWII era diplomacy. I've got some awesome sources on them.

the czech state was a joke, completely made up state by the vengeful allies, full of german, slovak and 100 other ethnicity citizens, illegally taken from Germany after WW1 in the clearly historically unfair versailles treaty - what do allies expect? when they signed the treaty of versailles they started ww2. churchill and his cronies wanted and provoked the war all along. you also seem not to mention the months of negotiating Hitler did pulling out his hair trying to make ANY deal for the MILLIONS of citizens in shit-tier conditions within all of these make believe countries, writing millions of letters, rallies protests to join the reich. the rest of the citizenry agreed also on account of the economic success of Germany at that time. Allies didnt budge an inch on any of it. Read through ribbontrops dilomatic cables of 1938 through 1939, you'd be shocked at some of the things you find in those papers.

poles had germans from lands given to them illegally at end of ww1. they put them in literal concentration camps and were letting many die with no recourse. they refused to release them or allow the people of the areas the choice to pick germany or poland and return to their home country.

furthermore, they were emboldened by england and france telling them they will back them up and germany will never do anything for fear of war and how they would be at their back the instant the germans attacked.

non-uniformed soldiers from poland (illegal under geneva conventions at time) were invading german country side as well and killing and raiding german towns and villages near border.

germany invaded poland to stop these attacks, retake their people the poles were killing and take back land stolen from them at end of ww1.

the declaration of war on them made them push back into france and dunkirk. britain called a strategic advance to the coast (retreat by any other word) in secret from their allies and left them all to die with no attempt to save or warn them they wer epulling out at dunkirk. hitler should have murdered them all and won the war, but did not realize the jews owned england at the time and there would be no peace.

Having plans =/= intention
Otherwise you have to say Stalin intended to wage an offensive war against Germany as well.

>hey if you agree to cede Danzig we can ensure you that WW2 is fought primarily on Polish soil so Polish men will die and Polish cities will be razed instead of German cities
implying that Poland being under German occupation rather than a buffer means the cities being razed are suddenly not Polish anymore

>They to move thru Danzig Corridor, via extraterritorial highway (think about embassy, but stretching thru the country)
>They wanted to annex city of Danzig, that was its own thing (not a part of Poland, think of like Hong-Kong before the 90s)
>We could even grant them these things
>But eternal Anglo wanted us to resist Germany for them, so they """guaranteed""" our independence and borders
>So, feeling confident we refused
>It's actually implied that even if our government would concede to Germans, bongs would have pulled Yugoslavia on us (Yugoslavian government wanted peace with Germany, so they conceded to German demands - military access, from what I remember - but it was for naught, because eternal Anglo supported anti-German coup that overthrew legitimate government)
>As you can see political coups are popular in Anglo family
>Germany didn't want Soviet Union to intervene, so they gave them land our land in exchange for non-agression pact and shipments of war materials
>We got BTFO, because one of the terms of Anglo help was for us to defend our borders
>So our army was located to stop Krauts at the border that was completely undefendable
>Krauts collapsed on our capital after more or less two weeks
>Seeing this Ruskie moved on to secure his agreed prize
>We failed after month of fighting, but our president designated a Polish guy in France to be his successor
Continued

Ton of jews?
Dude, we have less jews than
>Czechs
>Romania
>Austria
>Germany
>Belarus
>Turkey
>Sweden
>Hungary
>Brazil
>US
>Canada
>Russia
>Ukraine
aaand the list goes on

Keep in mind that our economy was non-existent after WW2
Everything was in ruins.
Our capital only existed on a map
At least rebuilt our country and heavily pushed for industry

And Germans only cared about annihilating us.
Keep that in mind.
That's why no true pole would ever call german a 'brother'

He claimed the same thing about the Sudetenland and look how that turned out
>Hey Czechoslovakia just give us the Sudetenland and we are done with all territorial demands
>Hey Czechoslovakia now that you handed over the Sudetenland we are demanding that you agree to allow us to annex the Czech half of your country while giving the Slovak half independence.

You can also believe in "alternative theories" but those are waste of time. No land disputes in Poland was ever the main issue. It would've been a moot point anyway in case of Poland becoming Hitler's ally-vassal.

From my experience threads like this usually develop into some fantasy stories that have no basis in sources but I'm gonna lurk here.

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but poles shitting allover the world since ww1 tiil today. they got punished.
jews aint poles.
long live pis!

>Sup Forums
>Full of nazi apologists
Threads like these will always end in a huge clusterfuck of chaotic and ridiculous stories

how butthurt are you shlomo?

stop shilling for communism. saying wehraboo is fucking reddit meme. gas yourself immediately

Cringe. He should stick to Polish videos.

Fuck I regret Americans saved your asses in both WW1 and 2.

I had a great great uncle who witnessed one of the genocidal happenings against Germans when he was a child
He told me the Czechs came and brutally beat up men and women to death until the streets were red from blood, then they made the children clean off the blood with sponges until they died from weakness
Not making this up btw

no.

der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/wardirectives/directives.html

read it

But I've had some good discussions even with nazis. As long as everybody is ready to talk seriously. Sup Forums is like 50% baiters why do you think so many people roleplay as Antifa here?

>every person that does not glorify far-right is a jew
Literally right wing SJW

>1. Poland had taken land from the German empire. That meant East Prussia was disconnected which is unacceptable.
Alaska is disconnected from the US which is unacceptable the US must annex British Colombia.
>Both cities also wanted Danzig. Which was a city next to East Prussia.
I feel like you intended to say something, but between using the wrong words you ended up saying nothing.

>Furthermore, poles had been carrying out mass deportations of ethnic native Germans.
Source? Also considering Hitler used the presence of any ethnic Germans as a justification to demand that land be ceded to Germany it seems like the right call. Better than Germany annexing your country like Czechoslovakia and more humane than genociding all Germans in Poland.
>And finally, it had become known in the reichstag that Poland was planning an invasion of Germany to take all the land just past Berlin.
Poland's military was no match for the German military so this is only slightly more likely than the idea that Germany annexed Czechoslovakia in 1938 because they supposedly planned to invade Germany even after losing their most industrialized and fortified region to Germany. However if you could provide a source I would be willing to look at it.

"Hitler needed reliable staged ‘incidents’ at a closely defined place, time,
and date – he had a tight OKW schedule to meet. Two diabolical schemes
had been drafted by SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, ‘following
long-standing patterns set by our western neighbours,’ as he explained to
SS commanders on about the eleventh. In one, his agents would masquer-
ade as Polish insurgents, seize the German transmitter station at Gleiwitz,
broadcast a proclamation, and then escape."

Irving's "Hitler's War", p.193

Germans were starving since poles took the Danzig Valley.
Germany had every right to take its land back and protect its people.
Poland started the killings, and ended up getting the blitzkrieg as a return.
Play stupid games....
In reality WW1 never ended and started up again.
there was only one World War.

Yeah I'm not reading that since you don't understand proper sentence structure or grammar like capitalizing the first word of a sentence, or capitalizing proper nouns unless that proper noun is "Germany." My suggestion is to go back to Mexico, or if you are white to take some English classes and get your GED.

They didnt invade Poland. They just took back their own land that was stolen from them after WW1

And now, sadly, Germany was helping Poland a lot, giving gib, advice, grocery stores, jobs, etc etc

The worst part about this laughable "poor persecuted minority" myth is that not only it has no basis in any articles, speeches, cabinet meetings, declarations and so on but most importantly it's absolutely unnecessary to explain why WWII even happened. I'd say it's even impossible to fit it in.

War never changes.

>nazi apologists
>my sides
you hav 2 go back friend

this is the stupidest thing i heard all day
Poland was not innocent but concentration camps for germans is bullshit

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One explanation I have heard is that the Soviet Union officially and in action had as one of its major goals to spread communism to the whole world, including through war. A focus was turning western Europe communist, and according to some sources, it would be useful for the Soviet Union to provide "physical support" to the revolutions in western Europe if it possessed Poland.

From the Wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War:

"As early as late 1919 the leader of Russia's new Bolshevik government, Vladimir Lenin, inspired by the Red Army's civil-war victories over White Russian anti-communist forces and their Western allies, began to see the future of the revolution with greater optimism. The Bolsheviks proclaimed the need for the dictatorship of the proletariat, and agitated for a worldwide Communist community. They had an avowed intent to link the revolution in Russia with an expected revolution in Germany and to assist other Communist movements in Western Europe; Poland was the geographical bridge that the Red Army would have to cross to provide direct physical support in the West.[17][dead link][22][23][24]"

Poles used trucks to run over streets of Germans.
My family has the same stories.

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The Soviet Union had in the 1920s already invaded and/or conquered several countries, including having a war with Poland as well as conquering Ukraine which had a communist revolution (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War). On this basis, an argument could be made that it was only a matter of time before Germany would have been invaded, whether Germany had been democratic or fascist. Germany had in the period 1918-1923 had several socialist and communist revolutions and uprisings, which could be viewed as internal communist attacks and threats, with the Soviet Union being a very dangerous external threat. Germany had in the 1930s several diplomatic attempts to try to create a mutual defense alliance with Poland against the Soviet Union, but they ended up failing (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Piłsudski#Foreign_policy). The reasons for this are debated, though one view is that Germany wanted territory it viewed as belonging to it back and wanted Poland to "move east" in regards to territory; while Poland wanted to keep its territory, maybe expand a bit, and preferred being the "big brother" in its own alliance of central-east-European countries against the Soviet Union and also Germany and other powers (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium). And in general there was very little trust between Germany and Poland, especially from the Polish side, and there were a lot of bitterness between the parties due to territory, expulsion of populations, treatment of minorities of the other party, and many disputes (an example was the trade war between Germany and Poland in the 1920s and 1930s).

>Later Germany attacked USSR
>Our relations with USSR where somewhat better this way, because Stalin imprisoned many Polish soldiers and now he wanted them to fight for him
>So we reached an agreement "Sikorski-Majski". Our citizens were to be released, but not a word on eastern border. It appeared that most of our higher officer corps that was to be imprisoned in USSR mysteriously vanished
>In 1943 they were found by Germans in Katyń
>In mass graves
>Our government was justly pissed about this and petitioned Red Cross for investigation
>Krauts did the same
>So we were painted as "muh, destroying (((Allied))) unity" and slandering BASED Ruskie
>BASED Ruskie threw a hissy feet and stopped acknowledging our government
>Stead he made his own, that was communist
>Meanwhile, by (((complete accident))) Sikorski (our leader at the time) died
>Weirdly, our next leader was much more complacent to the Bongs
>While the war drew to a close, it appeared that Soviets will control Eastern Europe and BASED Ruskie will have the power to determine government in Warsaw
>What did our supposed "Allies" to prevent this? Well, you know the answer.
>Ruskie established his government
>We lost our independence
>Our borders were redrawn, to the dismay of both Kraut and us
>Surprisingly enough, Ruskie kept what he got from that deal from Kraut 6 years ago
>reason is pic related
Trusting Anglo. Not even once.

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All in all, an argument could be made that Germany at the end of the 1930s saw no other way than to invade Poland before Poland was invaded by the Soviet Union, since directly sharing a border with the Soviet Union was considered unviable and a mutual defense alliance had not been achieved.

The shortest answer to the question why Hitler invaded Poland and why there was WWII is simply "Soviet Union."

>Poles were committing genocide against the Germans in Danzig and surrounding areas
Show me proof of this "genocide". The closest thing i can imagine is the ethnic cleansing of Germans from the Danzig Corridor during the interwar period to reverse the intense Germanisation after the fall of the PLC, but as you may know that caused some problems in 1938-1939. The primary reason is that Józef Beck (The Foreign Minister at the time) was a complete autist.

Poles just murdered Germans in the Katyn Forest and Bliesberg massacres.
No camps, youre right.
Poland is not innocent, and in fact maybe the most guilty party.

>Stalin intended to wage an offensive war against Germany as well.
He certainly did, however due to the purges he needed more time to prepare for war with Germany. Neither Hitler nor Stalin intended peace to last between their countries, the reason Stalin was surprised by the German invasion was because he assumed Hitler would be too busy in the west to invade him first.
>implying that Poland being under German occupation rather than a buffer means the cities being razed are suddenly not Polish anymore
Poland's best hope would be to avoid any war that would result in the destruction of its cities. If the French army had any offensive spirit left in 1940 there is a decent chance Germany would have lost a significant portion of the Rhineland to Franco-British offensives before it would be able to redeploy divisions from Poland to the west. Regardless my main point is that by September 1939 Hitler's word had no value, there was zero reason to trust what he said after he went back on his words many times and in such severe ways.

>this was considered purely kraut clay

That was one of the weakest baits in this thread, mission failed.

Guilty.
All counts.

dude im trying to respond coherently before this is archived. everything I wrote makes sense you just dont know anything and respond with wikipedia shit that everybody knows and isnt true, nobody cares about your reddit tier contrarian-posts.

>poles had been carrying out mass deportations of ethnic native Germans.
gee i wonder why
>poland was planning an invasion of Germany to take all the land just past Berlin
BHOOOOOOOAHAHHEHAHEOAEHOAOHEOEHOAEOAEHAHAJAENJAOA

>Muh historical claims
Historical claims for basing land claims on are always retarded and arbitrary. After all if Germany gets west Prussia than the USSR has a rightful claim to all of Finland as well as central Poland. I am sure Hitler would love having the USSR just a stone's throw from Berlin.

They weren't stolen.
We were just taking back land that was stolen during I and II Partition.

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Poland wasn't even a country since the Kingdom of Poland days.

>stolen

Are you fucking European? Do you know how things go here? Borders change. Countries lose and regain independence. You don't have to pretend to be some kind of German imperialist from 19th century. Nobody thinks they deserve some special rights over others.

the real question is why the fuck did they invade russia

they had a NAP and shit. hitler should've btfo england first and then worried about russia

Fucking Poles owe the US reparations now.
Just let us know when you get paid from Germany, so you can pay back the winner.
Poles refuse any actual history, and use Aushwitz as a tourist attraction.
Polacks built the fake chimneys. What a fraud.

You're a fucking traitor shining such a nice light on communism after the USSR halted advances to let Germans and pollacks kill each other in the Warsaw uprising. Neck yourself

You

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ALSO

1. Germans wanted Danzig/Gdansk back
80 % of Danzig citizens, were Germans,
Ther was referendum in Danzig, if they want to rejoin German Reich
Obviusly almost all Danzig citizens voted FOR it, and Polish Gov ignored.

There was Referendum in territory of Slask, if they want to be part of German Reich
Obviously most of people voted for it...

>> Polish Gov ignores again

Finally Germans wanted land connection with Prussia, by underground tunnel if that suits Poland at least...

Poland obviously said no...

How many more reasons you need for Nazi Germany to invade Poland?


OF COurse if General Pilsudzki would be still alive, at WW2 time Poland and Germany would be friends, standing together against Russian barbarian hordes and banksters from the west.

I did deep research over this subject.
Poland was doing everything to provoke German, being confident that if Germans try anything, UK + France will crush Germany from the west.

Stupid retarded Polish Gov at time...

I dunno about soviet Poland being such a great thing, there is an opportunity cost, imagine a free nation starting in the 1940s just after the nazis scared or killed away all the jews. Instead after Stalin was poisoned we got Jewish communist merchants in positions of power, in disproportionate amounts, and we got Ukrainian brothers as police while Polish soldiers policed Ukraine, just to make all the boot stomping on faces a little more possible.

>Poland wasn't even a country since the Kingdom of Poland days.
Germany as a country only exists since the late 19th century.

Obviously for lols

If that's your main point, then the easy counterpoint would be that by 1918 the French and British word had no value.

So he can have easier time invading Czech and Slovak people. German genocide was an excuse.

the Poles were genociding ethnic Germans (pic related)
Hitler had no choice

Hitler should have taken Texas for the oil, and fought the real Communist country-the USA.
He made the mistake of thinking the USA wasnt Communist.

Lel it was never about Poland but about USSR. The war was basically about imperialistic plans of Hitler and Stalin with others as a sideshow.

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