Stop being a proponent of collectivism

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Stop being a nigger bitch.

stop posting garbage threads

Cookie cutter dumb thread but reminder that Objectivism is the great American Uber Philosophy to render irrelevant all others. Ayn Rand is the greatest modern philiosopher and by no small margin.
Marxism's greatest threat. The left want you to forget Ayn Rand ever existed. Don't.

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Stop being.

Stop being an individualist faggot that wants to subvert everyone by writing shitty books that invert facts into your fantasy fiction

T. Nazi scum

Stop thinking of collectivism and individualism as black and white.

Individuals within a collective, gentlemen.

Ever minute little philosophic peice of the master system Ayn Rand formulated was consistent, fully self integrated, and overall hard-irrefutable I I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Hating Ayn Rand because of the maymays ingrained in you is exactly the self cuckery the left wants. Objectivism is the greatest threat the left has /ever/ encountered.

>I I
*and I

read a book niggers.

one people
one fuhrer.


not one people.
no nation.

is simple as that and OP needs to murder more niggers before he post again.

what did nazis do wrong?

Stop being a Jew and get in the oven.

Greatest threat to political status quo since 1776

they listened to Hegel

Stop citing terrible writers. Bitch is so far up her own ass and her writing is just boring characters explaining her ideology. Then an caps cite her work of FICTION as a creditable source.

I'm against collectivism just because it bothers me

Ayn Rand's system is so self evidently the nepotistic kike's most earth shattering threat ever encountered that I guarantee you if you were to read "Capitalism The Unknown Ideal" and "Philosophy Who Needs It" it would hard-convert you to my side.

>Implying that the Nazi holds his life as a value

Only brain dead nihilistic libertarians think the world is actually "individualism vs. collectivism." As if the two are in conflict. It's like saying a driver and his car are opposed to each other. The individual needs a group or he is nothing but a floating shadow of a human, and a group needs individuals or it doesn't exist.
Convincing a people that it is immoral for them to sacrifice for their kin is fucking class A way to destroy them.

You obviously have only read Atlas elsewise some faggot summary of it.
Her nonfiction ala "The Virtue of Selfishness" and others are argumentatively adamantine-clad and hard-irrefutable. And not in my fanboy opinion either.
What you have to understand is that all one needs from Atlas is John Galt's Speech and that said speech is so often cited because it the most perfect summarization of Objectivism Ayn Rand ever wrote.
Try "John Galt's Speech" on YouTube sometime. Every pit-in-the-stomach uneasy feeling you've ever felt about the horrible progression of the world around you is explained in that speech in a way no writer ever has before.
Reminder that like how Marxism is Meta-Communism; Objectivism is Meta-Capitalism and you reject it at your own peril. And civilization's.

This comparison is nowhere near as apt as you think it is.

I can lead you to kike-inspired subversion of the most basic foundations of civilization, but not make you drink

such hard line individualism belies the facts of race realism. She is another kike pushing individualism who handed her legacy over to another kike because kikes preach individualism but practice in-group preference. That is all there is to it. I have read those, and they are good, and I would still banish her from our society because her and her kind are parasites.

Her individualism ties you to money as an achievement and not to your people. You want hard facts, nat soc ideology transformed a whole nation of people within mere years because they chose to see their bond of brotherhood. She wants atomised individuals and you lot wonder why this philosophy is taking so long to even touch the psyche of the common people.

If "sacrificing" for your kin is good for you, its not sacrificing but trading something you have for something you want more.
If "sacrificing" for your kin is not good for you, why the fuck are yo doing it?

And if those individuals want to fuck each other in the ass?
Or observe the Torah and be Jewish?

Ayn Rand was from the moment of her birth until the moment of her death a stumping kike bitch who shilled for Israel--a country with literal communist collectives as an official element of its social and economic model.

>a whole nation of people
except for the factory owners, the labor unions, the ethnic minorities, the religious minorities, the best and brightest young Aryan men, the scientists, the philosophers...
Who got transformed again?

What does the size of that group have to be.
What if it is a local Church, instead of some white ethnostate. Am I still a shadow human if the only group I really care about is a local church?
And what if I don't want to change the method of government based off of my value for a local church, and have a secular government where I render unto Caesar that which is Caesars and render unto God that which is God's

And how, you unspeakable dipshit, is Ayn Rand subversive to Western Civilization? She is the bar-none greatest philosopher of it.

Why must everything be reduced to some exchange between individuals? Your girl Ayn regards altrusim and self-sacrifice as the morality systems of """"""evil"""""" ideologies.

Collectivism

>one furher
Lol, fuck off state cuck.

Because it is. If we we were some hivemind eusocial race like in our favorite sci-fi novels we could opperate of different premises. We aren't so we can't. Man's metaphysical and epistemological nature is inescapable and the same in all situations with no option to change that.
You obviously grasp that a collective is only just a number of individuals but you have blanked-oit what that will then force you to necessarily conclude.
Quote:
>The statists’ epistemological method consists of endless debates about single, concrete, out-of-context, range-of-the-moment issues, never allowing them to be integrated into a sum, never referring to basic principles or ultimate consequences—and thus inducing a state of intellectual disintegration in their followers. The purpose of that verbal fog is to conceal the evasion of two fundamentals: (a) that production and prosperity are the product of men’s intelligence, and (b) that government power is the power of coercion by physical force. Once these two facts are acknowledged, the conclusion to be drawn is inevitable: that intelligence does not work under coercion, that man’s mind will not function at the point of a gun.

But individualism is complete shit.

At least she came up with right wing rationalism without god.

That's all collectives are, groups of individuals. You can't help the group by hurting the individuals that make it up.
Rand says sacrifice is evil when it's giving up/destroying something valuable for something less valuable. Giving things up isn't immoral as such, but it is immoral to give up values if you don't trade up.

>the master system Ayn Rand formulated was consistent, fully self integrated, and overall hard-irrefutable I I challenge you to prove otherwise.

It all falls apart when the rich get I to politics and make laws to ensure wealth trickles up like today.

Ayn Rand made her ultra individualist ultra capitalist heros at odds with government. She didn't imagine Gault, Reardon or taggart would just get on board with the government and in tandem work to fuck over the proletariat like what has happened.

Only if you're a complete shit of an individual

>Only if you're a complete shit of an individual

Individualism is idiotic, for the simple fact no one ever did anything by themself.

For such an "icon of self-reliance," it's amazing how when you actually look at Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum's life history, you see how much of her "success" was completely dependent upon nepotistic assistance from her fellow jews, and how privileged her life was.
>jewess who hung around with famous jews in their mansions in russia (nabokov, who wrote "lolita")
>came to america because of her relatives here, who also were wealthy (owned movie theaters)
>first job in america was working for a jew film director in unholywood
>committed marriage fraud to stay in the country and become a citizen
>the "collective" in NYC was all jews, greenspan, blumenthal aka branden, peikoff
If she had had to live by her own standards as written in her books, we'd have never heard of her, she'd have been some peasant farmer's wife in russia.
Convenient that the philosophy she sold to the goyim was one that enabled maximum infiltration by people who claimed to be White **but weren't** and engaged in nepotism behind the scenes.

It's almost like this could be fixed by a political philosophy that makes the government's power extremely delimited and minimally susceptible to corruption.

>I wonder where we could find one of those
>Oh wait...

>It's almost like this could be fixed by a political philosophy that makes the government's power extremely delimited and minimally susceptible to corruption

I didn't read any of that shit in her books. I read atlas shrugged and the fountain head. She makes a clear dichotomy of the entrepreneur and the official. She doesn't realize they eventually get into bed together.

If she wrote about a government that was completely divorced from business that's fine but in her novels its a presupposition.

Stop subscribing to Jewish ideologies

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>Think trading can't be individualistic

t. hasn't read a word of her nonfiction
If you had you would understand that she explains this phenomenon by the indentification that what these paraisitcal bussinessmen constitute; the Mixed Economy. Statism parasitical upon Capitalism.

>But at the same time there were men, industrialists, who did use government power as a club to help them against competitors. They were the original collectivists. Today, the liberals believe that the same compulsion should be used against the industrialists for the sake of workers, but the basic principle there is, "Should there be any compulsion?" And the regulations are creating robber barons, they are creating capitalists with government help, which is the worst of all economic phenomenon.
Read Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal and get back to me

Atlas does have characters just like the ones you're describing. Orren Boyle and Jim Taggart are the epitome of crony capitalism.

Now read her nonfiction skipper.

But he clearly didn't.
He didn't have habeas Corpus rights

This is the truth. Radical individualism/capital worship and socialism/communism are just the two sides of the kosher sandwich. One makes you isolated and incapable of resisting Jewish subversion, and the other has you actively helping them take over. You lose either way. And people like Rand/Rosenbaum never even try to follow their own proposed ideology, they still retain their tribal identity behind closed doors.

>nepotism

Stop taking credit for shit you didn't do.
Just because your grandfather worked hard doesn't mean you did
If you're black and are employee of the month every month and work hard you don't become white.
If you're white and are a welfare queen your entire life and don't work a day in your life you don't become black.

No man is an island. Collectivism is what makes us strong as a species.

>Ayn Rand born jewish therefore any ideology formulated by said individual has to involve Judaism
>because I saw so
>also I don't like Jews so dropped
Tell me statist buddy boo: how does it feel to live in fear of literally every conceivable Jew by-default?
>I wonder if the crypto-coms have ever had the thought occur to them to use this on the right to make them eat themselves and render their own ammunition ineffectual?
Probably just paranoid...

Yes. But the difference is Rand preaches voluntary association. She's not an anarchist who doesn't want association of any kind. She's against the tryanny of taking from one person "for the good of the collective" because that's what happened to her family.
Taking from those that have to give to those who do not is not what makes us strong as a species. Whether it's democracy or national socialism. Do not covet your neighbors ass. Do not steal. Even if the business is owned by a jew.

>No man is an island. Collectivism is what makes us strong as a species.
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>voluntary association
The only way to have voluntary association is by committing violence against those you do not. Which means that you either have to force those within a society to associate with those they do not, or force those they do not out of the society. There's literally no other way.
>taking from one person "for the good of the collective"
"The only certainty is life is death and taxes" -Ben Franklin. You can't have a society where one doesn't sacrifice something for the good of the whole.

I really feel like I'm talking to communist utopianists who think that if everyone just thinks the way they do that we'll all live in paradise.

Collectivism>individualism by game theory

>The only way to have voluntary association is by committing violence against those you do not
A.
Collectivists/mystics/statists always whimper into irrelevance without the cudgel of the gov behind them, and
B.
>When certain statist groups, counting, apparently, on a total collapse of American self-esteem, dare go so far as to urge America’s surrender into slavery without a fight, under the slogan “Better Red Than Dead“—the “conservatives” rush to proclaim that they prefer to be dead, thus helping to spread the idea that our only alternative is communism or destruction, forgetting that the only proper answer to an ultimatum of that kind is: “Better See The Reds Dead.”
Are you under the assinine assumption that Objectivism is pacifist?

>No creator was prompted to serve his brothers.
What a joke. Really? You really believe that? Because it's just not true. That logic is a total fail.

>"The only certainty is life is death and taxes"
You should probably let the doctors know that they should stop doing the whole medicine thing then.

>paradise
>A world better then the one we live in now is impossible because it would better then the one we live in now.
Makes sense.

stop taking social security and dying a loner whom in all likelihood should have been rich and popular. i will have a single plum floating in perfume and served in a man's hat. also jewry. looooots and looooots of jewry and basic guaranteed incomes. also an ugly face and a faggy husband. elf looking elven hat wearing little Santa elf
>MUH ANNE FRANK

>Are you under the assinine assumption that Objectivism is pacifist?
How am I going to be anything but a pacifist in the face of a collectivist empire? If I'm an individualist, means I am not part of a group. Because if I'm in a group, that means I'm a collectivist.

>You should probably let the doctors know that they should stop doing the whole medicine thing then.
Yea, maybe they'll discover the magic sauce that will enable us to live forever.

>Taking from those that have to give to those who do not is not what makes us strong as a species
That's the basis of civil toon. Taking things from others if you can get away with it is good

>civil toon
*civilization

Individualism will probably only make things worse but man am I frustrated

Prompted is the keyword here. It was always survival and the enrichment of his own life. Yes esteem for his brethren can be invloved but like Rand says; this is always a secondary consequence.

>Giving up on voluntary, interstellar, Aryan, eternal Reich protected by millions of loyal defense contractors because science is hard

You know, one of the strongest (albeit indirect) indicators that Ayn Rand is one of the best philosophers is the number of logical fallacies she coined.

>Stolen Concept Fallacy
Attempting to undermine the concept itself by attacking the hierarchial root(s) upon which it logically depends, or using a concept while denying the validity of its roots.

>Package-Deal Fallacy
The fallacy of failing to discriminate crucial differences. It consists of treating together, as parts of a single conceptual whole or “package,” elements which differ essentially in nature, truth-status, importance or value. A subset of the Composition/Division fallacies.

>Floating Abstraction Fallacy
When concepts are detached from existents, concepts that a person takes over from other men without knowing what specific units the concepts denote.

>Frozen Abstraction Fallacy (Context Dropping Fallacy)
Substituting some one particular concrete for the wider abstract class to which it belongs. To tear an idea from its context and treat it as though it were a self-sufficient, independent item.

>Reification of Zero Fallacy
Regarding "nothing" as a thing, as a special, different kind of existent.

>Rewriting Reality Fallacy (likely not particularly hers)
Attempting to alter the metaphysically given.

>yes goy, only the jews are allowed to be a collective

Quit being jealous of the enemy's Collectivism ya cuck.

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>jews
>young aryans

correct. radical individualism is a jew psyop invented to destroy the white race.

>if you're not an objectivist you're a communist
>radical individualism isn't a jewish psyop
read culture of critique and commit suicide

Ayan Rand was a kike bitch who praised selfishness as an ideology and had hatred for people suffering from financial situations. Why is this evil lady so popular? why do autists mindlessly parrot her thinking they are smart?

this

When your a edgy teen anarchy and communism sound great. When you grow up and get your trust fund or get a decent job objectivism sounds great.

It's what middle class rich punks eventually find themselves at. At least the ones who want to be edgy against the common Marxist anarchist in the scene once they put their collar down.

Yeah kick that kikess off welfare and medicare and let her die in the streets. It's not my fault she was a chain smoker and got lung cancer. Why should we have to pay for her filthy disease?

I'm not a communist or Anarchist Retard I like National-Socialism or Fascism.

>>Stop citing terrible writers. Bitch is so far up her own ass and her writing is just boring characters explaining her ideology. Then an caps cite her work of FICTION as a creditable source.

totally this

jewess couldn't write worth shit

Ayn rand was a fucking kike, objectivism is literally the political ideology of Jewish psycopathy. Only difference is she convinced the goyim to do it to each other while Jews only practice it against non-Jews.

Anyone arrogant enough to called their own philosophy Objectivism deserves all the criticism they receive. The bitch couldn't practice what she preached.

>Be an individual
>Don't belong to a group
>Be a good goy

Fact. Rand was a filthy kike.

The only people who hate induviduality are the ones who are afraid of competition and want to drag everyone else down to their level.

Ideally you are your own individual but you pull together for the community to keep it healthy.

>t. burger.
No one cares about your negroized, judaised shitheap of a country.

You're talking about National-Socialism.

Lmao

i fucking love “anthem”.

Stop being an anarcho-capitalist Utopian fuckwad. People are predisposed to collectivise, and the results are not always terrible.

... Nabokov wasn't Jewish.

Listen, I'll be honest. I'm at the point where any time a Jew pushes an idea without rejecting their kike ancestry, I ignore the idea.

Get fucked by truth. objectobot.com/?cat=184

For the billionth fucking time Ayn Rand is not AnCap.
aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/anarchism.html
Reminder that LfCap>AnCap because Minarchism>Anarchism and in turn because Objective Law>Polycentric Law

Lel sollectivists always eventually resort to this; being butthurt that a Capitalist coined the name before they could apply it to something different.

Objectivism is the greatest political system to ever exist.

Except the entire world following in lockstep with batted breath using all our inventions and reacting to all of our decisions and watching all of our movies.