Daily reminder that Sup Forums is a leftist board

Daily reminder that Sup Forums is a leftist board

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Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.

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Left, right ... irrelevant.

Nationalism, non negotiable.

Sup Forums is a jew board

fuck you, Stalin.

Fake and gay.

>One of the most degenerate, low quality, shittiest and retarted boards on Sup Forums
>Is leftist
Checks out, user.

be gone, Commie scum

F O O D

merry xmas faggot

All Europeans are essentially leftist

Let's post things that trigger Nazis.

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begone faggot jew nigger commie faggot

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>youtube.com/watch?v=gcKhS7ly8ig
I'll post some fun facts too. The Soviets would line these up across a whole tree line and turn the entire countryside into dust. The Germans were so terrified of it because it obliterated them.

wot nazis?

The Germans would capture PPSH41s when in Stalingrad and use them over their "superior" German weapons because of how effective they were, truly a great gun.

When the Germans finally encountered the T-34 they could not destroy them with their tanks or their antitank guns. They had to use flak 88s to destroy them and develop the Pz4 just to counter them but it still would be destroyed by glorious T-34s.

All the faggots here who think that the Nazis were so great and worship Hitler. The KV-2 was such an effective tank the Germans had nothing to destroy it with, the tank was immobilized and the Germans shot everything they could at it as well as sneaking up and using explosives on it at night. Despite all that the Soviets were still mowing the Germans down with it and then once they would run out of ammo they would sneak out.

*blocks your path*

No

You're probably thinking of the KV-1, and even then it had serious problems and was quickly made obsolete. The KV-2 was a huge shit show from beginning to end and barely any were built.

The Soviets also had the best aircraft.

Eh you fought the Soviets when their military was still developing and the terrain made it difficult for them.

S A D !

The PzIV was not developed to counter T-34, but it was however upgraded with a high velocity 75mm later on with T-34s in mind.

LMAO commie cucks don't know how to fight dying like ants is the only thing theyre good at

The Germans had unquestionably the best fighter, night-fighter, and possibly bomber in the war (Me 262, "Uhu" and the Arado jet bomber respectively).

It was either the 1 or 2, either way they kicked the shit out of loser Nazis.

>A KV-1 or KV-2 tank (accounts vary) advanced far behind the German lines after attacking a column of German trucks. The tank stopped on a road across soft ground and was engaged by four 50 mm anti-tank guns of the 6th Panzer Division's anti-tank battalion. The tank was hit multiple times by these guns but fired back, disabling all four guns. A heavy 88 mm gun of the division's anti-aircraft battalion was moved about 730 metres (800 yd) behind the tank but was knocked out by the tank before it could score a hit. During the night, German combat engineers attempted to destroy the tank with satchel charges, but were unable to, despite possibly damaging the tracks. Early on the morning of 25 June, German tanks fired on the KV from the woodland while an 88 mm targeted the tank from its rear. Of several shots fired, only two penetrated the tank. German infantry then advanced, with the KV opening machine-gun fire against them.[26] The tank's resistance was finally ended by grenades thrown into the tank's hatches. According to some accounts, the crew was buried by the German soldiers with full military honors; in other accounts, the crew escaped during the night.[26]

Even the Germans drolled at getting their hands on some of those badass boys.

>Eh you fought the Soviets when Stalin was in charge
Fixed that for you

those are civillian deaths amerimutt. Germans milled more russians then any other nations, but of course your education makes jews a little precious treasure and their deaths are the important ones. SAD

Since when faggot? Kys

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This fears the commie shit
Haha they can't even beat one small nation

At least it made the breadlines shorter for ya.

AHAHA I was waiting for some triggered Wehraboos to come in and brag about muh deaths. Operation Barbarossa the sneak attack started out with with bombing the Soviet airfields wiping out their entire airforce when they were still developing. They had no intention of attacking Germany so they were not worried about such a possibility. From then out Germans enjoyed bombing civilians into the dust and pretending they were destroying the Soviet army. Then they got to the cities and starved out more civilians and bombed even more.

When the Soviets finally were able to ramp up production and gain superiority (because Germans were really shitty at logistics and industry) the Germans suffered defeat after defeat after defeat with their tails between their legs all the way to Goymany.

>nice bait
>sage

>buh buh buh look they did bad before their army was even modernized!!
lol

Muh tanks n sheeit
> runs out of food

>runs out of food
>tries to pretend the holocaust didn't happen because of that

The KV-2 certainly did not, it fell over when it shot it's main gun if the turret was traversed to the side.

The KV-1 was fearsome initially, but like the T-34-76, the Germans very quickly countered them, first by using 88s and howitzers (the Germans already had a precedent for this when they fought off Matilda Is and probably the French Heavies).

The KV-1s were in fact so shit that the Russian heavy tank project was in danger of being dropped entirely, since it had similar levels of effective armour and firepower to the T-34-76 but was much slower and larger. By 1942 long 75mm as well as 88s either tower or self-propelled were very common on the Eastern front. The Russians had no answer to this until 1944. On top of this, Russian guns of comparable calibers had horrendous penetration values. German long 75s were able to handle almost any Allied armour right up until the last days of the war. By comparison, the Soviets had to brute force everything, up-gunning to 122 and 152mm (though the 152mm was never a dedicated tank destroyer gun).

Also, in regards to the protection the T-34 offered, the Poles lost almost 2 crew members per T-34.

Did you not read what I posted?
>the Poles lost almost 2 crew members per T-34.
And? So they're retarded what does that matter?

Gas yourself. GYS GYS GYS.

I've known a few who've actually killed some nazis but never any real-live nazis.
So why u spamming propaganda again?

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I'm well aware of the initial tank shock the T-34-76 and KV-1 created... but that was very, VERY early in the war.

The Germans used anything and everything they could, most armies did. Probably because in the first few months against Russia, they had no heavy armour. Again as I said, virtually everything the Soviets produced from the start until the last year-ish of the war were very easily knocked out by the Germans, including the KV1s.

A KV-1s armour is only 75mm, front and side. Even at an angle, common anti-tank guns were more than enough to kill them. Again, the whole heavy tank project in Russia was in danger of being shut down in the middle of the war because KV-1s were literally worse than the T-34.

The Poles are a lot smarter than Russians.

What makes you think that lol, they lost after a month and were stupid enough to piss off both Germany and the U.S.S.R when Germany wanted to side with them, they deserved it but the poles were not smart or good at warfare.

The T-34 losses numbered 44,500 during the second World war.

In comparison, the M4 that everyone shits on had a great survival rate, while being one of the most used tanks in the war. An estimated 1400 people died in M4s which given it's production figures and use by the Americans probably makes it among the safest tank to have been used in WWII.

Now you've gone form talking about tanks you know nothing about to people you know nothing about.

Germany would've crushed you subhumans had we not been feeding and supplying you. Lend lease highlights:
>14,000,000 pairs of boots
>1,000,000,000 bullets
>radios & gas
>1 years worth of rations for your entire army
>500,000 trucks

And still your KDR was still absolutely pathetic.

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Why are you comparing total loses? 90% of WW2 was fought on the Eastern Front, of course the M4s weren't going to go down as much. Compare their actual specs and costs boy.

You brought them up you retard.

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Still bragging about KD even after this?
Pathetic desu, you wehraboos just get so upset that you lost even though you had a great time bombing civilians. That along with the Holocaust seems to be the only thing the Nazis were good at, killing innocents.

Now you've resorted back to the ad hominem
Nice...

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Leftists have no culture. Therefore board culture cannot be left-wing if it exists at all.

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The T-34-76 had 3 strengths when Germany initially invaded:

Armour, firepower and speed.

It had serious problems though. Namely, it was pretty blind, thanks to not having a commanders cupola until the introduction of the T-34-85 turret much later on.
It was also notoriously unreliable and prone to mechanical failure (the Germans and Russians would trade switch this situation later).

>From the point of view of operating them, the German armoured machines were almost perfect, they broke down less often.
>For the Germans, covering 200 km was nothing, but with T-34s something would have been lost, something would have broken down.
>The technological equipment of their machines was better, the combat gear was worse.

By the end of 1942, two of those, firepower and armour, were gone, thanks to the introduction of the German high-velocity anti tank guns, the 75mms and 88s. At the same time their AT capability was seriously hindered by the presence of newer, better armoured vehicles such as the Tiger I, Panther and the very rare Ferdinand/Elephants, and also Uparmored PzIVs and StuGs.
The firepower loss was somewhat remedied by the introduction of the 85mm, which like the 88s, was also an AA gun originally. The 85mm still was not effective as some of the 88 and 75ms and closing the gap needed to kill Tigers, panthers, etc brought them well into the effective range of the Germans.

The Soviets only achieved something close to parity near the end of the war with the IS-2, though that had some issues, it was alleviated by the fact that it would always outnumber its opponents. There was also the SU-100s and ISU-122/152s which were finally able to counter German cats.

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>they had no intention of attacking germany
you don't know what you're talking about, do you?
you are even more retarded than nazis.

Maybe in bizarro world faggot

What? He brought up poles and how smart they are and I said they weren't then he cried about how I'm talking about something else while calling me dumb so I just called him a retard back. If you can't follow along kiddo go away, let the adults talk.

Mfw I see all the nazi kids on full damage control in this thread.

1945.
We.
Won.

Stay triggered, broflakes.

I brought up the only figures I could find on crew losses as quick as possible.
If you have Russian crew losses and they're any better, I would love to see them.

The Poles are smarter than the Russians, but I did not bring up racial intelligence, that was you.

Shoo shoo
nobody's really talkin' to you

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Ya think you're hot shit don't cha?!

what a failure of a tank

LMAO

Why do you assume they were smarter? They were using Russian technology and were horrible at warfare and stupid enough to piss off everyone. You're using figures of a defeated army and pretending that Russians were worse. That's not how that works, use Russian figures or fuck off. Everyone knows T-34s were designed to be cheap and effective, with 90% of the fighting happening on the Eastern Front that clearly made them way better than over engineered German tanks that were trying to emulate them anyways. Of course a bunch of T-34s are going to be destroyed or run into mechanic problems when there are so many of them but sheepishly trying to claim they died more because of Poles is just retarded, everyone knows the Shermans were death traps and I love how you shy'd away from that and ignored it when faced with having to actually compare the two instead of just saying the retarded things you have been saying.

>use Russian figures or fuck off

>Italy
>Criticizing another country's WW2 tanks

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Post a fucking t34-85 not that pos that was used only to destroy empty bunkers nigger cuck

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Only used on the victory parade and with obscene amount of mobility problems.

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I don't get why anyone holds the Germans to such high regard, they weren't even smart at all. While the Soviets were churning out cheap and effective weapons they were wasting their time on shit like this. Hitler and their military were actually retarded.

>That along with the Holocaust seems to be >the only thing the Nazis were good at, killing >innocents.

>blames the germans for killing innocents.
>is a communist
>communism killed 150+ million people
>holodomor,stalin purges,mass starving,mass >murder of "anti communists",cultural >revolution doesnt count as killing innocents

thing is tho i am not even mad at you communists fags anymore since even if you get your little utopia you are problably either going to die from hunger or get sent to the gulag,enjoy your marxism

The Polish tankers were part of the invading Russians, who won. The Poles would not have had T-34s before that point for obvious reasons.
The T-34's poor reliability is a matter of public fact, it was knowingly made with severe mechanical flaws. Again, the Germans and the Russians switched places over the course of the war and the German tanks were being produced under similar conditions.

Yes, the T-34's biggest strength was it's cheapness and ease of production, but now you're getting into goalpost shifting. I'm interested in the facts not politically motivated bullshit.
As a tank that had to go up against many vehicles it could not kill, and many more it could be killed by.
The M4 deathtrap is a long-running meme mostly propagated by by a man named Belton Cooper. Cooper did not serve as a tanker and a lot of his claims are not historically supported but are inaccurate assumptions based on related information.
The "5 shermans charging a Tiger" myth for example, comes from originated from the doctrine on engaging enemies that out-range you, which was to charge. Add the fact that that Tigers outrange M4s and that an M4 platoon size is 5, you get the above myth.
Other various myths are the "Ronson", based on a company slogan made after the war and is to do with the ammoracks, originally being much more vulnerable, which was alleviated later with wet stowage.

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Never saw action in WWII. The hull used to also crack apart just from driving the damn thing. It did terrify the Western Allies who didn't know any better and spurned them to create their own shitty heavy tank projects though (M103 and Conqueror, maybe the AMX 50 not sure about that one), I'll give you that.

>The Poles would not have had T-34s before that point for obvious reasons
Yes you are proving that they wouldn't have had any kind of expertise on them which means they performed worse than the Soviets. Along with the fact that the Poles were just bad at warfare anyways.

> it was knowingly made with severe mechanical flaws
So? They could make them so easily and so cheap it didn't even matter. You tried to bring up 10,000 or so lost or whatever but don't even realize that factor includes just ones that broke down and didn't even get actually destroyed or ones that were just damaged so you had to come up with some bullshit dumb Polish figure to try and justify your retardedness.

>but now you're getting into goalpost shifting
Lol that's all you've been doing this whole time, you projection is actually incredibly pathetic.

>20 posts by this ID

lmao

Oh, and if you're factoring in production cost, the StuG comes out on top easily, it was one of the cheapest armoured fighting vehicles to produce for it's purposes, and had positive KDRs, unlike the T-34.

The Poles would have had no less experience with them as Polish armored divisions were present in the Soviet military since early in the war.

See above about the StuG. And it was 44,500 T-34s lost, nice try. Now you're admitting that they broke down to the point of being marked as lost, and somehow that's not a problem.

I have not moved any goalposts. My point is that the T-34 suffered horrendous losses, lost most of its advantages very quickly and is just another example of people mixing legend with fact.

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Is this reddit's idea of an """""argument"""""?

Reminder that Russia is based now and gommunism lost.Nationalism won.

Something else that needs to be mentioned is that Soviet tank crews were infamous for having little to know training. This would have compounded the myriad of other flaws the T-34 started with and gained throughout the war, it's no wonder it was devastated so often during the war.

>know

Welp.

Its true, nazis are on the left too faggot

>Germans kill 20+ million Soviets, most of them civilians
>this is the Soviet's fault

*revisionism intensifies*

It almost is. It's a daily reminder of how ridiculous the right side of the spectrum can get. The same goes for the left, i'm sure there are sites that are extreme left.

But Sup Forums is ridiculous. You read some of these posts and you assume someone must be trolling or they really truly believe the shit coming out of their mouth. Users really think they are part of a moment and have know idea how far they are from reality at this point.

>more delusional Americans pretending that all Russians are represented by anti-communist rants

What was the military losses? 8 million is what I've found. Though maybe all those men Stalin sent to battle without guns should be counted as civilians too.