User born February 1999 here with a question to older anons

user born February 1999 here with a question to older anons.
To me, anime from the 1990s looks REALLY fucking old. 1990, 1999, it's all the same to me.
Does 90s anime look less old to you guys? Does your brain process it in a different way visually speaking since you grew up with shows like this and normalized it?

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I hope so, I didn't make the thread to be ignored!

I don't even care if this is bait. Digitally produced anime is a thing of the 00s, and that is your big difference. 00s onward have a much cleaner look, and with the passing of time you can see more use of layered effects (I swear some studios are addicted to Adobe After Effects) and filtered photographs for backgrounds.

>user born February 1999

Fuck. When did I become an old person?

Fucking hell, I teach kids your age.

Not bait, it's just an examination of the way the human brain works. It's like how 1950s/1960s black and white television seems horribly crusty and boring, but old people's brains must process it differently since it seems... not crusty and boring.
Not that I dislike '90s anime! It's old enough to feel charmingly quaint, but it's not ancient to the point of being detrimental.

Thank you for the explanation, by the way!
So, it's safe to say that basically every anime during the 2010s uses digital animation. Did the same hold true for the 2000s? (This refers to the entire decade, not just the later '00s)

Ukio=kasumi>shampoo>kodashi>>>>>>>>>>akane>helmet sister whatever her name is.

80s and 90s are equivalent in the sense of "looking old", the difference is in stylistic choices. 70s has some nice stuff but you can see people were still learning to work with more detailed characters and events (I believe budgets were smaller too).

Only 50s will look absolutely corny for me. Since you're younger and probably never saw it, just try to watch a few Speed Racer episodes to see it.

I think early 00s was already 90% digital, but don't quote me on that

>tfw born in 88
>remember watching bootleg Ranma 1/2 subs on VHS tapes from the mom and pop video store

It was exhilarating.

>1999 was 18 years ago
Fuck I'm old

Close but let me fix it.
Ukio=kasumi=shampoo > shampoo loli's cousins > ranma red head mode > kodashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > akane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer > helmet sister

Oh yeah cunt? Well I was born in March 99 and the 90s were the pinnacle of anime

You don't know what old looks like until you try to watch an anime from the 70's. That is true suffering.

But no, the 2000's were a time of change where studios were transitioning over to digital. Its more or less the same kind of progress we've seen with CGI. It starts off kind of slow and looks like crap half the time but the more it gets used the better it starts to look. I will note that CGI is very different from digital animation in that it doesn't really improve on much of anything. Whereas digital was suppose to be a step up from cel animation, CGI feels like two steps backwards. But I digress.

The short answer is that the 00's are full of anime that have both cel and digital animation but the quality varies wildly from series to series. Keep in mind that this was a brand new technique for those people so there were a lot of kinks and bugs to work out which are essentially nonexistent today.

And to address the OP question, I was born in the 90' and I've been watching anime since Pokemon hit the states. Sailor Moon, DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Flint the Time Detective, Monster Hunter, Yugiou. I lived through the big anime boom in the west and I should be the perfect candidate to be a nostalgiafag but I don't think I'm one. I love 90's series as much as older and currently airing ones but I I will never deny the fact that as a whole anime looks much better than it ever has in history. The animation is consistently more fluid, less reused animation, less mistakes, backgrounds generally look good. Of course it all boils down to personal preference and there are just as many good older anime as there are bad modern anime (and cel vs digital arguments are pointless) but digital animation has truly perfected the medium imo.

I Agree.

Truly patrician taste

>user born February 1999 here
Holy shit lurk another 10 years.

Noob, yesterday was my 28th birthday my first anime was dragon quest.

>I may have has Sup Forumsnons as teachers in high school
Wew this would explain some things.

Well I drank alone on my 18th and my first anime was trigun, get on my level

Like my inability to grammar for example.

Reminder that the 2000s babies are coming and are already here illicitly.

Great reply, user. I appreciate both your knowledge and your love for anime of all generations.

Do you know more about the figure gave out? Early 2000s covers a broad range since things were developing so quickly, ie I could see the 90 percent figure applying to 2003 but not so much to 2000.

>Kids as old as Sup Forums will post here soon
That's like when kids as old as the telephone started to use it, then all the old telephone men got pissed because the kids were a bunch of idiots

100 years later everyone texts

And what comes after current anime, I don't think we can degenerate any further

Fucking AncientFag here

I think if you were to look at all the anime for each year you would find that a lot of it is bland looking or outright shit. Save a few gems which would now be considered classics.

And as for your question about how our brains process old anime I only have this to say...

I miss hand drawn animation.

Pic related: it's fucking hand drawn animation.

>pic related
>animation

m8 I'm 18 and that scene specifically is a scrolling still
guess your memory's slipping, old man

Born 1992. I only started actually watching anime around 1999/2000 maybe, but that general 90's artstyle gives me a ton of nostalgia for some reason.

I find 90s anime has a nice aesthetic to it that probably can't be captured by modern technology without jumping through hoops to imitate it

But if it means less filler garbage that exist to pad the anime I'll take modern anime because 90s pacing is the worst thing about anything produced back then

>First anime I remember watching is Tetsujin Go
>Kept watching anime over two and a half decades
>Never got used to this art style.

It will always look ugly to me.

>born in 1999
>18 years old
Fuck I'm old. Good thing I still can pass as 14.

By the end of 2017, anyone born before 2000 will be able to post on Sup Forums. Where has the time gone?

february of 1998 here. it all depends on whag youve grown up with. i can stamd 90’s anime amd some 80s anime over anything after. when the chamge to digital hit something was lost in translation that seemed cool to me.

>February 1999
Aren't you clever?

What?

>Does 90s anime look less old to you guys?
yes

but I know what you mean, 80's looks very old to me

>00s onward have a much cleaner look
but that's bullshit. 00's anime was blurry as fuck. 90's anime looks much better than it, especially when scanned at 1080p

>tfw watching Speed Racer and G-Force on summer vacation while drinking Ecto-Cooler and eating Ninja-Turtle ice cream

Man the 90s were rad as fuck

What about 2010s anime.

>ds on w
since it is now being produced at hd levels, it looks much more clean and detailed. still weird artifacts and blurriness in certain shows

Not quiiiiiite every, but damn close. The last big wave of studio cut-overs was in 2002, and from 2007 to 2013 only one show was painted/filmed.

20th century sound direction is almost more important than art, just tell me you don't hear HnK out when you see this image

I'm 28 and had a weeaboo substitute in high school that taught us the pattern of of character groups in anime and cartoons that has stuck with me even now.
>The leader
>The rebel
>The lout
>The kid
>The girl

This was an algebra 2 class. Murrica.

>2002

So during 2000 and 2001, hand-drawn anime weren't too uncommon yet? Very interesting if I'm reading that right.

Depends on how you define clean. Early-mid 00s will look blurry on modern screens because of resolution issues for basically everything, forever, except miracle cases like Gundam SEED where they kept the original lineart and repainted it for the HD remaster.

Meanwhile, older stuff is usually stored on 16mm film, which is basically 1080p. However, it will have film grain, uneven paint mixing, and small physical imperfections like brush strokes, while digital has perfect flat colors matched perfectly in every scene and only even lines unless they deliberately tried for a brush effect.

Of course, it's also a lot easier to zoom analog assets and have them look good than it is to zoom digital if you plan poorly.

Anime today is still hand-drawn.

lmao

You're just blind kid.
Watch something like Harlock before you call something old.
Then watch Gigantor to see something that actually has some age under it's belt.

I can glance at a movie and guess when it was made, at least as far as which half of the decade.

>it's just an examination of the way the human brain works. It's like how 1950s/1960s black and white television seems horribly crusty and boring, but old people's brains must process it differently since it seems...
That's not how it works, kid. You're really fucking stupid, there's no way I'll waste my brain cells reading your posts.

We did it, Reddit.

E-ehhhhh? But you were all talking about how anime is done on computers and stuff now after the Digital Revolution of the 2000s...

The problem with older shows is the sound.

"Hand-drawn" is still by far the most common; the modern process is scanning lineart and then inking/painting/compositing it digitally.

But yeah, for example Pokemon and Doraemon were produced on cel through 2002, as was Galaxy Angel; Inuyasha switched in 2003. Turn A ended in 2000 on cel, SEED started in 2002 digital.

>Ellipsis
>Exclamation marks
>Reddit-like fluency

Weird to see no one point this out and scream "newfag".

In almost all anime, barring things like Sidonia and the new Berserk movies, you have image related done on paper.

We're talking about the switchover from "cel" animation, where after that was finished you stapled it to a transparent sheet of plastic that you then handpainted and photographed onto film; to "digital" animation, where after that's finished it gets scanned and attacked with Photoshop brushes and the fill tool.
"Digital" looks different because it lacks the small imperfections in texture and color accuracy caused by the physical sheet of plastic/brush/film/paint quality.

"3DCG" animation, which is done entirely with computers, is its own thing that we're not talking about at the moment. It looks different in its own way, typically by looking "too smooth" or by accurately depicting perspective and motion that a human artist would stylize.

I was born in '92.

That being said, it takes cartoons from the 60s for it to feel REALLY old.

I can tell stuff from the 80s was made in that decade, but it doesn't feel "dated".

I dunno. Maybe I'm just getting old too.

Thank you so much, this is all so interesting!

How far do you think 3DCG has come since the 2000s? I think the first purely CG anime was 2005 or so. CG anime still looks pretty outlandish, but do you think that during the 2020s as hardware and software develops that CG anime could look similar to 'normal' anime?

>I think early 00s was already 90% digital, but don't quote me on that

I'm not sure if this is the best of sources but Excel Saga states that "anime nowadays are made with computers" and that show aired 1999. They also zoomed in and showed off the pixels. It's from episode 17 "Animation USA".

I was born in 1987, and though I enjoy anime of all time periods, I definitely don't have to go as far back as the '60s for things to feel dated. Here's an anime opening from 1981: youtube.com/watch?v=4hSuPdW_i_s Everything about this screams 'old.' It's the style of opening that series like Lucky Star and Sora no Otoshimono parody, except it's authentic.

The cutoff point where things start feeling somewhat fresh and modern to me is probably about 1984. Magical Fairy Persia is a good example, which feels old enough to be retro but fresh and modern enough to be accessible. youtube.com/watch?v=okI9yKh3pHU

1999 and a good show is still a good show. People that won't watch something because it was made in 80's and 90's frustrate me. Of course they'll gladly watch NGE.

Sup Forums is for 25 or older male fans. Don't post anymore.

3DCG has come amazingly far, but it's not necessarily only a hardware or software issue. A lot of it is human effort in adding the choppiness and imprecise movement and perspective we expect from human animation - which makes it in turn more expensive, less automatable, and less of a cost advantage over hiring people.
If you want a comparison, this is from memory and I may have the exact point incorrect, but compare Valk and missile movement in Macross Frontier before and after episode 17. Before, they look bad because they move in what are accurate 3d lines; after they look better because they move smoothly in the 2d plane we're shown, even though this would involve all sorts of weird acceleration and deceleration.

By 1999, the switch was under way in places. Some shows like Lost Universe even flipped back and forth scene-to-scene.

The early '80s saw an absolute flood of fresh money and enthusiastic cheap labor come into the industry. It was a massive cultural leap as opposed to the ~'00 tech one.

I wonder if anyone over the age of 100 has posted on Sup Forums.

I wonder if any of us will live to be 100 and still post here.

I wonder if Sup Forums will still be here in a hundred years.

I wonder how many anime fans today know about collecting cels.

Isn't it convenient how these people are always "just turned" 18?

Reminder that most of them are cancer

That's probably because anime blocks of the early 2000s like Toonami tended to run anime from the 1990s like DBZ and YYH

As much as the idea of dying fills me with dread the idea of living anywhere near 100 also fills me with dread

>want to report
>realize February 1999 is no longer underage
>soon children born after 2000 will be allowed to post here

>underage
>Sup Forums

Congratulations, you're feeling the same despair first wave anons felt in 2007 when Heisei kids began to turn 18.

As a Millenial / Gen Z, take it from me: Your question is misguided.

You should not only lurk more, but actively seek anime from before your time.

Habane Rinmei, Gunbuster, Leiji Matsumoto anime, Urusei Yatsura, Kimagure, Angel Cop, Macross, Lupin, GiTS...

I have personally tired of the new style in many shows. I find contemporary anime lacking in flair. Oddly, Bones and Aniplex shows get me going pretty well still. Un-Go, Monogatari, etc are good.

I collect cels as a small hobby, so I'm biased, but cel animation had more benefits than modern methods - despite being so damn taxing on people.

For other young people who want to learn instead of keeping these weird prejudices: I recommend watching Golden Boy for a good introduction to what cel animation can do for a one-off show.

>kids getting to grow up with very accessible internet and the ability to download and torrent at good speeds

Jelly

As much as they can get ragged on for not being a part of the "wild west" days of the internet and watching it evolve, having access to an incredible selection of media and being able to acquire it easily and quickly throughout youth sounds blissful. The future of internet security and law may change that but this decade so far has been a good time to be young on the internet.

I would argue that this makes it worse, though.

Too much accessibility just makes everything less significant and oversaturated. Hence Facebook culture.

Maybe for some personality types but an introvert who likes to read and watch has such a wealth of quality resources to utilize

Agreed, though it depends on the medium in question. I was born in 1987, and by the summer of '99 when I was 11, the ROM/emulator scene was very established and robust. I'll never forget the rush I felt at being able to download any NES, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Gameboy, etc title I wanted - several thousand games altogether.

As for anime and television in general, though, yeah, there's no comparison. That didn't really start becoming super convenient and mainstream until Youtube was opened in 2005.

>introverted
>internet
Oh mate

Are you a idiot?

I agree, I only remember vhs and dvds from childhood. Not sure if I could even get good anime in my country though

1975 here

The first example of something usually sets a standard that is heavily copied. The consequence of that is that the 'template,' or original show, is mirrored in all subsequent versions and remakes, along with each new improvement or change. It only takes a short time before the original version appears to be another example of a 'typical show' but without any of the improvements which have now become the new standard.

Or you could just read the 'Seinfeld Effect' on tvtropes. The only standard-setter that avoided this effect was the original Doom, which is usually still seen as an excellent first person shooter, when players give themselves a little time to get used to the lower visual fidelity.

Part of the reason I love re-watching stuff from the 80s and 90s in crisp 1080p is because the image quality is often so clear that you can see the little imperfections in the individual cels.

We all have Loliball on the brain. Tenshi no 3P has caused an influx of Ro-Kyu-Bu threads.

I kind of agree with this. Back before the Internet became the primary way of watching anime, any series that was localized felt like a big deal in a time when you had to buy stuff on VHS. It kind of forced you to get to know shows better and find good in them, even when they weren't that great. Now with the Internet, you just try to find the closest-to-perfect shows in a giant sea of shit. I also think this is why people nostalgia so hard over old shows that aren't as great as they remember them being. They just stood out more back then.

1973 born user here - naw, it still looks old, its more that you get re-used to it very quickly. It was once normal to you, so it quickly can become normal again.

sorry I guess its actually called 'seinfeld is unfunny,' I should have checked first

I started watching anime in about 2006 or something, but aside from standouts like Yuasa shows, Madoka, etc., in general digital 2000's and 2010's anime look kinda... bad in terms of animation to me subjectively.

I feel 80's and 90's shows like Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Slayers, GTO, Evangelion, Dragon Ball, Bubblegum Crisis, etc. are nicer to look at such that I only really watch anime from that time.

Go on. Someone who prefers minimal communication with others can easily get access to all kinds of media online, they don't necessarily have to talk to people on forums or anywhere anymore.

or are you going on about how the concepts fundamentally clash or something

You're watching anime with shit production values. Some anime from the 90s is based. It's like going 20 years into the future and asking why DEEN is so shit.

>B&W
>looks crusty and boring

Ok, you got me. 4/10 troll, got my eye twitching for about a half second.

Yeah, yeah, you were born on '02 and think Seinfeld never was funny, yeah, yeah.

Um...?
Just how many people my age do you think like black and white television?

Unless you're some sort of plebeian, I think it's common to watch old B&W TV and movies.

I mean, a lot of the best films ever made are in B&W, you'd have to be a real philistine to distance yourself from art because it's 'old' or boring. That's the mindset of a small child.

I'm thinking more of old TV shows like Gilligan's Island and Andy Griffith. Movies are a different story.

LISTEN HERE, BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK 10 MILES THROUGH 4 FEET OF SNOW JUST TO GET A BOOTLEG TAPE OF RANDOM EPISODES FOR AN ANIME SERIES NONE OF US KNEW HOW TO PRONOUNCE

YOU YOUNGINS' DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING

Don't crucify me, but I've always wondered why anime (and even western cartoons) seemed to have a similar style every decade until the mid 2000s
>60's 70's- scooby doo, speed racer
>80's 90'S- FoTN, DBZ, He-man
>90's mid 2000's- Sailor moon, yu-gi-oh, pokemon, all their american knock-offs

There doesn't seem to be a common style anymore

some of those are definitely worth watching - twilight zone is the first that springs to mind

I was born in 1983 and it looks old to me too.

It looks differently old than 70s or 80s anime of course, but it definitely looks old in comparison with contemporary anime.

"really old" doesn't mean anything to me, but i can tell what decade they are from instantly most of the time.
>1999
>can post on Sup Forums
jesus christ

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