>left-wing party
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
>unfortunately, also pro-Islam, post-modernist fetish for cultural destruction
>right-wing party
>defends culture, tradition and classical Western values
>unfortunately, would rather slash the common man's pension fund/health care/etc. to give corporations tax breaks
Why must politics be this way?
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The worst parts of each viewpoint is caused by corruption and freeloaders.
because taking the best of both would make us pic related, and (((they))) just cant allow us to be a family in peace.
wow she grew up
I remember when Sup Forums used to try to get me to go pedo for her when she was younger.
I guess she's good for business now?
Why do you see the welfare state, especially a permanent one, as helpful or a good thing?
Becasue both are the same two sides of the same coin offering the illusion of choice...
Its not really a move left or right but standing still waving in different directions.
The only way out is outside of capitalism...even Nazi's realised this which is why They stated communism would be better then returning to capitalism if they couldnt have fascism.
Because they want to deliberately keep things near 50/50, in order to keep the normies invested in Politics™ rather than paying attention to the Elites behind everything
Because the state should provide for the people, that is its first and foremost objective. The welfare state has been extremely succesful in that criterium.
>enslaves the common man in his existence through the welfare state
fixed this
>The welfare state has been extremely succesful
gr8 b8
that didnt take long comrade.
that's why smart people vote libertarian
You're a special kind of moron
it's perfectly fine to abuse the poor because the poor do 0% of all innovation
the simple answer to being poor is choosing not to be and obtaining some ambition
Nonsense. The states first and foremost objective is to serve and protect the interests of the ruling class. Its job is defense of the rich and property.
The welfare state arose out of the failures of capitalism to provide for all and out of its bottom line in competition. If people and there families are dying from capitalist copetition then revolts and revolution are more likely.
The welfare state is first and foremost for political and social stability in the interests of a system which benefits most the "1%"
What alternative do you suggest? Western Europe has the best living quality in the world, thanks to its moderate application of the welfare state. Certain services should be nationalized because the need for these services cannot be properly filled by sheer corporate profit motives (health care, education).
When compared to the economic power of modern corporations, every citizen becomes part of "the poor".
But defending people's property is also a service to citizens.
>unfortunately, would rather slash the common man's pension fund/health care/etc. to give corporations tax breaks
Why can't you let this be a board for actual discussion instead of constant trolling?
whatever geek, we fight libshits in every thread every day. this is now a spoodermun thread.
Why did the left-wing become so culturally deficient? I know left-wing politics has always been more proletarian to distinguish itself from aristocratic ruling classes, but there was no reason to turn so anti-West in the past decades.
Sure it is. And the sate should continue to do that. That is defending personal property where it is under attack. But the state should primarily be a force for the majority and the working class sectors, which by and large it is not.
Welfare shouldnt be abolished. But should become redundent.
I'm not here to fight, I just wanted to know why it's so rare for mainstream parties to exist that promote both Western traditionalism and not rig the modern free market structures even more in corporate favor, a tendency that I predict will produce more and more civic instability, the complete opposite of what politicians are supposed to do. I feel a party like that would be incredibly succesful, even if incredibly besieged by both left-wing and right-wing interest groups.
How does a state provide for people without welfare mechanisms? And why should that alternative be better than what has already been implemented and created great strides forward in living quality in Western Europe?
you do realize that it was very successful and it's still is? There is nothing wrong with the welfare state until it becomes too big and corrupt that wants to become bigger and bigger? AKA marxist
>we fight libshits
liberals? you americans destroyed the liberal idea. You are so infected with jews that liberal has become a dirty word. Your liberals are socialists that admire marx. You're fighting reality.
JFC. What do you think the family unit is for, Godless commie? What do you think your agency to create in this works is to be used for? But no, let's instead give up our divine agency and instead all be forced to pay a bunch of humans to be our "family" and "take care of us"...idiot.
>left-wing party
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
>>defends culture and tradition
Best option.
>hi Sup Forums will communism work if we make it traditional values: THE THREAD
"traditional values" in my country and for the last 500 years or so is about owning your own shit, being self reliant and being happy about it while not giving a fuck about the other guy unless hes family a coworker or part of your church group. no, it wont work faggot.
>welfare state is supportive
More like dupes the common man with gibs in exchange for power over every aspect of his life.
A family is small, and limited in reach and power. The state has vast resources, both material and personnel, reach and centralized power. Families can't fund, staff and operate modern hospitals by themselves. The state can.
.... hm, let's guess with ideology combines the best of both sides and calls ((them)) out
I feel the same way.
The rich are jewing you either way.
a person should have total control over who they want to give charity to, how much and how often instead of state mandates.
>power to the people only works behind a counter
But welfare states overwhelmingly have more personal freedom and higher quality of life than states without welfare mechanisms.
But American politics has a long and storied history of labour protection.
Is she 4' tall? Her proportions are really strange.
If a state needs to provide for the people then that is welfare. The point is developing to the point you dont need the state to provide .
Cant do that with class system. Cant do that with a system that needs poverty and destitution as a integral part of competition.
Thats a tranny right? Sloping forehead, brow line, longer ring finger, wide shoulders, no hips, etc.
yea and cellphones have a long and storied history of randomly exploding. the fuck is your point
NAZBOL is the daring synthesis and our way forward but you're all afraid of the hammer and sickle symbol...COWARDS
I suggest you read The Law and The Road to Serfdom and then go fuck yourself
Yep I'm gonna change all that just you wait Pol.
I'm not gonna run for prime minister.
I'm gonna run for world leader. When you hear my call you will follow.
Humanity will rise. Into an age of self awareness. In Wichita we triumph over the struggles of our past. And reach new highs unprecedented of lifeforms as of yet.
I just need to graduate highschool first...
But without mandatory taxation, certain services could never be funded, since they are only required by people who do not have the resources to properly fund those services in the first place. Hence, if a state is to be succesful, it requires mandatory taxation schemes.
What system does not produce poor people?
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
>i don't know what self reliance is
> supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
> the common man
Wait, is receiving welfare now somehow the standard? Because if it isn't, it's not considered common.
you, me, and the rest of the world...
Daring levels of infantilism...perhaps
dont conflate manditory taxation with a welfare state.
and if i got your other point about labor unions right then youre a dumbass because its not state mandated, never was and plenty of people worked outside them. BEING PART OF ONE IS A CHOICE. CHOOOOOOOOIIIICCCCCEEEEEE
>unfortunately, would rather slash the common man's pension fund/health care/etc. to give corporations tax breaks
bwahahahahahaha, did no politician ever (outside of 3rd world shit holes, where those welfare programs consumed the entire economy, and they had no choice but to cut).
THAT'S Anna Sophia Robb?
how long wud it take for america to bulldoze western europe? I give it a couple of hours maybe, literally no military HAHAHAHA cucks
Gaddafi's Third International Theory is the answer
supporting left wing jews vs supporting right wing jews. Thats what it boils down to.
Fascism is the only answer
Welfare in the broader term: health insurance, scholarships, free/cheap education... These are all forms of welfare from the state to the citizen.
Left wing and Right wing is irrelevant.
It is now Globalism vs Nationalism.
>EU Flag
Globalist Cuck
You know what takes the best from both sides?
>defends culture, tradition and classical Western values
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
Yeah. National Socialism.
wanna see a comies head explode? ask them why labor unions and BLM dont pay for MY roads.
That third toe. Wtf
This.
head2big
>inb4 focal length
Self-reliance is a fantasy. Everyone uses resources provided for by someone else.
It doesn't have to be this way.
>the welfare state
>in any way a good thing
Pick one and only one
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
It now supports non-human browns and blacks
>pension
I'm 30 and what is this?
And thats why centrism is the best.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
My toes are like that. Also webbed.
Everyone jokes she's an alien grey/human hybrid due to her unique facial structure looking like the drawings of alleged hybrids.
This. Once you know this there's no reason to even consider (((Communism))) unless you're a goy and/or a cuck.
Ring the bell, he's out on his feet.
And winner by tko, western civilization bringing its record to 6 gorillon wins 1 loss and 2 draws
far right on culture
far left on the politico-juridical
WOKE centrist on economics
>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
Ah yes, taking away 60% of what “the common man” earns, wasting 50% of it on administration and “support his existentence”. How is being this dumb allowed in germanistan btw.
>>supports the common man in his existence through the welfare state
Supports the common single mother. There fixed
A myth. You will work until you drop dead.
There's a difference between using and paying for things together and letting Ahmed rape your grandma in a state run nursing home
I'm not your fucking slave, you're not entitled to a minute of my labor and neither is anybody else. You can fuck off with your "welfare State" protection racket, the common man is wholly capable of supporting himself, thank you very much.
The only difference between you and the communists is what "greater good" you're enslaving and butchering people for. The nation or the proletariat - the difference is only cosmetic. At the core, you both are the same fucking breed of parasite.
>Why must politics be this way?
to keep the status quo. without the retarded shit everybody would vote left and this would hurt the rich and powerful so they lobby for this knowing full well it will divide the poor
But that's exactly what I'm complaining about in this thread: left-wingers obsession with cultural diversity and Islam.
>the common man is wholly capable of supporting himself, thank you very much.
But people who live in a welfare state are much better supported than those who don't, having higher quality of life and more personal freedom.
STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY FUZZYFU!
In all seriousness, only some cops and government workers have this. Maybe you could count military retirement pay with it. It's an absurd idea to americans. We're told to get 401k investments by jew bankers and boomers buying 500k houses because why not?
fucking trips! kek has confirmed she's mine. Thank you for this gift, oh great frog god!
>But American politics has a long and storied history of labour protection
It has maybe a century of that and that's being fucking generous. The Fed was busting strikes as late as fucking Reagan.
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>people who live in a welfare state
>cultural diversity
>and Islam
>much better supported
>higher quality of life
>more personal freedom
>than those who don't
>left-wingers obsession with
>that's exactly what I'm complaining about
put it together user.
Not all right wing politics is that way. You do not have to have a right wing economic policy with your right wing Political ideology. This is why National Socialism was the most effective political movement to ever work. It gets rid of the obscene greed of the jew and its self serving nepotism and looks to raise the Nation. Diversity has made it that I do not want to pay taxes so that Tyrone gets a scholarship to College having scored 35% less on his grades and SAT's/
By what metrics? By those made up by those who wish to promote the use of welfare states, right? I would much rather have to wrestle with a few more decisions and be slightly more stressed from time to time than become a doe-eyed child dependent on big brother. In fact, I would argue that most of the stress in my life comes from having to deal with people who want to ruin all concepts of personal freedom in this manner. People such as yourself.
That's what the left is about now. I don't know what else to tell you.
you're a retard unless you're a Syncretist
you must be 18 and over to post on this board
>But people who live in a welfare state are much better supported than those who don't, having higher quality of life and more personal freedom.
I beg you to read the first five words of my post again. For your convenience, I will even repeat them for you :
I
AM
NOT
YOUR
FUCKING
SLAVE
Therefore, you are neither entitled to my labor nor my property, the fruit of my labor. It does not matter what end, what "greater good", you hope to achieve by stealing my property - you are not, never have been, and never will be, entitled to it. You and the government thugs you support are fucking apes, who, because of your inability to convince anyone who's worth their salt to buy into your socialistic scheme, must threaten them with violence instead like a pack of feral chimps.
If your fucking "welfare State" truly was worth more than a grain of shit, you wouldn't have to seize people's money at the tip of a bayonet to sustain it. Fucking troglodyte.
welfare is bad you fucking degenerate r-selected subhuman piece of shit
You're not very smart are you?
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youre out of your element lil france
you type like a nigger
>checks flag
oh
yeah but she's a BLM women's studies major
SACRE BLEU!
>labour protection
my ass. my life and body was fucked over by a jackass boss who didn't care for shit. guess what happened to him. not a damn thing. labor protection is a farce.
>those fucking feet
You know who truly lives the Ancap lifestyle? Gypsies. You want to live like a gypsy?
That's because American politics has been sold out to corporate power to a much higher degree than other comparable Western nations.
I never pretended to be. I just dislike both sides of modern mainstream political movements for reasons explained in OP.
what is that a scar