America lost, Vietnam went full blown commie and today the Vietnamese do pretty good.
Is America an influence of good or evil?
Would the Vietnamese be richer today if America won in Nam?
Nolan Peterson
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Logan Powell
The (((American media))) was 100% anti-war, so it was one of the few instances where they were the good guys
Really it was the French that fucked Vietnam up
Zachary Russell
45% good
35% evil
30% neutral
Jordan Gray
We would have Marshall Planned them. So yes they would be doing better.
Support your own military sovereignty and maybe we will leave. Luckily the USA has less need to influence the corners of the world with being oil independent.
Matthew Bailey
American influence is always bad
Luis Murphy
should have nuked hanoi into ashes
Owen Lee
And they would be slaves sending all their hard earned money to Israel just like Germany and America
Isaac Long
Correct. This is why the Asian nations that stayed with America (Japan, South Korea) are third world shit holes and Vietnam and North Korea are first wold high tech paradises.
Connor Walker
>We would have Marshall Planned them. So yes they would be doing better.
Like the shitholes that are Nicaragua, Iraq or Afghanistan?
Jayden Carter
By good you mean 3rd world shithole with trash laying everywhere? My country is India-tier filthy, but not as filthy as Vietnam tho
Jonathan Butler
Let’s ask Iraq and Libya.
Lucas Ramirez
Wtf are you taking about,
I have a big condo in Ho chi minh city and I drive a Porsche Cayenne
I have a 18yo 3.14qt gf and 2 other side chicks
And a get happy ending massages on a daily basis
I have a business selling fake sunglasses and Che Guevara t-shirts to dreadlocked American and European hippie tourists
Lots of people are earning a shit ton of money in Vietnam
If you think we are all rice farmers you'll be surprised if you visit
William Gutierrez
hard to say
look how much the rockefeller imposed BOJ has trapped the japanese economy
french didn't drop more bombs than all of WW2 on vietnam, they had to rebuild lots of infrastructure and they weren't getting much help
Gabriel Wood
North Koreans are pure while South Koreans and Japanese are basically a big whorehouse
Thomas Lopez
if capitalism is so great then why couldn't it stop communism from killing all those that live under it, huh?
Hunter Harris
imagine where vietnam would be today if they didn't have a stupid 30 year war, but it was unavoidable
Matthew Hill
>comparing 100 IQ population with
John Brown
North Koreans are pure which is why they are one of the most advanced first world nations in the world while South Korea and Japan are third world shitholes.
I'm mocking you for being retarded by the way. I don't blame you for being an idiot, you're from Sweden after all.
Jose Richardson
>but not as filthy as Vietnam tho
stop lying you sea mexicans
Jaxson Green
literally every eastern european nigger thief lives that lifestyle.
pro tip: they dont even work
Easton Adams
North Korea is literally paradise on Earth.
Jacob Sanders
like how you helped indonesia and other countries?
Jeremiah Ross
I work,
You think it's easy talking to stinky hippie bagpackers all day
Ryan Lewis
but you can charge them the tourist price *giggles*
Jayden Williams
nigger, the French were fucking torturing people and people were being killed for refusal to acknowledge French rule out in the boonies
Elijah Long
All americans do is fuck shit up. Pre-americunt Japan had values and self respect today its filled with degenerate perverts and lowlives. Same goes with South korea. The only reason they were able to progress faster than the countries 'murica didnt fuck up was because of the military support. Every other country these mutts ever invaded was extremely weak and did so only for resources just like barbarians.
America are modern times barbarians, Gengis khan. Uncivilized and having extremely inflated ego. (Dispite losing to every country that wasn't extremely weak while having 10x power)
>Relevant for the last 100 years after entering the world war just before the axis had almost already lost and becoming a superpower by no real participation in the real wars.
Amerimutts are truly the most disgusting rats of the last two centuries. I cant imagine them staying relevant after the next few centuries.
Lincoln Perry
I by 1$ sunglasses on aliexpress and sometimes sell them for 15$ if those weakling faggots are to shy to haggle for a better price,
Its like printing money
Parker Miller
>avrg. IQ - 94
Probably yes
How to read: blue triangle - capitalist countries, red circle - (post) socialist countries, black square - resource exporting countries.
Vertical axis - GDP per capita in millions of rubles
Horizontal axis - intelligence level
Camden Foster
oh yes, that's far worse than
en.wikipedia.org
and
Vietnam estimates 400,000 people were killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects as a result of Agent Orange
and
Henry Green
Mutts sold their souls for thirty pieces of shekels
Gabriel Smith
What is katap? Qatar?
Gabriel Sanders
If America was the good guy they would force UK, France and Nederland to decolonize Asia immediately after WWII in exchange for Marshall Plan
All South East Asia would be grateful and become loyal American ally, and everyone in there would save themselves from cold war 4Dchess
Christian Perez
If communism was so great, why couldn't it stop genociding?
Isaiah Ramirez
I actually agree, at least in the sense that we should've stayed out of WWI and any conflicts since. It set a bad precedent and didn't affect the outcome much (Germans would've lost WWI without our "intervention")
Nathan Sanders
Yes
Xavier Baker
Yes
Levi Sanchez
Dolboeb translate to English. I actually want to read the chart.
Adrian Foster
those places dont have an average IQ of nearly 100
Colton Wood
>>tfw your proxy changes IPs
>literally Muhammad
Explain to me how those records can't be complete bullshit and not include a confidence interval.
Kayden Wood
I am too lazy to translate.
Joshua White
A mono-national state can tolerate bad governance for surprisingly long periods without dying.
t. Adolf Hitler
Charles Ortiz
this country have so much potential yet they wasted it all follow the communism path
Grayson Harris
>eu flag
Oh the irony
Jackson Powell
>Not realizing that countries like China and Vietnam had to adopt capitalistic policies to be able to survive
Landon Foster
Te only way to control filthy savages is with a savage commie gubamint
Kevin Flores
do you think the french killed more vietnamese than americans?
at least they taught vietnam how to make cheese, bread and gave them the the most unfuriating alphabet so they can defy china
americans didn't help evict the french, just wrecked half the country for no benefit, ran away and refused to honor your reconstruction agreement, you are the true dindus of the west
Following the war, Hanoi pursued the establishment of diplomatic relations with the United States, initially in order to obtain US$3.3 billion in reconstruction aid, which President Richard M. Nixon had secretly promised after the Paris Agreement was signed in 1973. Under Article 21 of the agreement, the United States had pledged "to contribute to healing the wounds of war and to postwar reconstruction of the DRV . . ." but had specifically avoided using terminology that could be interpreted to mean that reparations were being offered for war damages. Nixon's promise was in the form of a letter, confirming the intent of Article 21 and offering a specific figure. Barely two months after Hanoi's victory in 1975, Premier Pham Van Dong, speaking to the National Assembly, invited the United States to normalize relations with Vietnam and to honor its commitment to provide reconstruction funds. Representatives of two American banks—the Bank of America and First National City Bank—were invited to discuss trade possibilities, and American oil companies were informed that they were welcome to apply for concessions to search for oil in offshore Vietnamese waters.
Washington neglected Dong's call for normal relations, however, because it was predicated on reparations, and the Washington political climate in the wake of the war precluded the pursuit of such an outcome.
Bentley Diaz
canadians are fucking retarded and they are completely dependent on yhe USA
Christopher Morgan
Ugh that war was a fucking huge mistake. It’s all LBJ’s fault. Kennedy would never have sent infantry into that shithole. If the Vietnamese wanted to eat shit, that’s their choice. Let them eat shit. Wtf were we thinking? At least the country woke up pretty quickly from that retarded nightmare.
Xavier Sullivan
I'm very surprised at this
>Barely two months after Hanoi's victory in 1975, Premier Pham Van Dong, speaking to the National Assembly, invited the United States to normalize relations with Vietnam and to honor its commitment to provide reconstruction funds. Representatives of two American banks—the Bank of America and First National City Bank—were invited to discuss trade possibilities, and American oil companies were informed that they were welcome to apply for concessions to search for oil in offshore Vietnamese waters.
Michael Carter
only if America annexed the North.
Ryan Stewart
This too. We should have gotten to Ho Chi Minh before the Chinese and Soviets did. He was 100000x more honorable than the South Vietnamese retards like the Diem brothers.
Thomas Sanders
Even if you dont account for Vietnams unmatched cheating culture and cherrypicking schools, Vietnam is just 7 points shy of Iraq while itself is 6 points under average.
There is a reason why even with all the compareable handholding and prefered treatmeant they always got from medieval power, colonial or neocolonial powers and even Western commies they are still just some dirty third world shithole save the usual
>b-but muh capital has some nice places trying to look Western and I have some cherrypicked photos of some Western architects highrise that hide all the dirt around and walking inside it
Brayden James
it all could have been prevented by truman in 1946, but he ignored ho chi minh's letter and appeal for vietnamese independence
Chase Perry
>fight against communist
OH MY GAWD STOP EEET
[DISTANT RUBBING HANDS NOISE]
Jason Peterson
>do you think the french killed more vietnamese than americans?
idgaf? Maybe you meant ?
I'm just saying that everyone likes to victim-signal and exaggerate how many people were maimed/killed a la Jew
978-1-85109-961-0
Jace Anderson
look at north and south korea.
Hunter Nguyen
I dunno, these look pretty ingenius
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maybe losing their best and brightest in war over 30 years may have something to do with it? they were sending 15 year olds to war because there was no other option
kinda like how germany never grew its balls back after ww2
it does seem that vietnamese communism was nowhere near as ruthless as soviet and chinese regimes though, they didn't go full atheist like china did, didn't have a cultural revolution, didn't purge intellectuals like cambodia
It's only a footnote here
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Joshua Murphy
It probably would have made no appreciable difference. Muh colonial war is just an excuse worthless races use to justify their failures.
Nathan Nelson
You sound like a piece of shit. Probably from living amongst the bug people for too long?
Dylan Perez
>muh capitalism
No thats just gook niggers going after the biggest gibs and running after the next biggest (((willing))) sugardaddy regardless of any politics like a whore and "Western" (((banks))) making some profits and channeling more money to their companies out of once again white goy taxfunded aid for nigger countries after creating the mess to justify the aid themself in first place, actively and passively supporting and nourishing growth of bullshit like communism that everyone knows can not be sustained except dumb plebs.
Daniel Hernandez
kek another insecure whiteboi bashing asians. sad.
Jaxson Phillips
Is this irony? You can rent a mansion in Vietnam for a few grand. A 4 story house is 300 bucks rent. Japanese live in shoeboxes and want to kill themselves. Vietnamese dont have a care in the world.
Zachary Martinez
Institutions, ideologies, and values aren’t world-determining. there’s only race, and everything finds its proper level
Jackson Wood
20% good 80% neutral. It's all about getting ahead of the commies and deny China's influence over the South China Sea.
If America won, they could still only get ahold of the South as a separate state. When that happens, I'd say either the North will turn into a complete puppet state for the chinks or a rogue state like North Korea, and the South would be as rich as South Korea is today.
Alexander Sanchez
>Hanoi pursued the establishment of diplomatic relations with the United States, initially in order to obtain US$3.3 billion in reconstruction aid, which President Richard M. Nixon had secretly promised after the Paris Agreement was signed in 1973. Under Article 21 of the agreement, the United States had pledged "to contribute to healing the wounds of war and to postwar reconstruction of the DRV
it was decided before the end of the war, and least vietnam had the balls to pursue diplomatic relations, even after america obliterated the country's infrastructure
gib monies
Charles Nelson
>America lost
Love the subtle b8.
Parker Brown
Youre an English teacher who is larping. Those glasses are actually 20 cents on ebay and no one pays ofer 50k for a pair. Kinda hard to pay 15 bucks for glasses when a beer is 50 cents. Nice bait though. How were the kids today? A is for apple Ah Ah Apple. B is for ball B B Ball.
Isaac Mitchell
>America lost, Vietnam went full blown commie and today the Vietnamese do pretty good.
>Is America an influence of good or evil?
american influence is neither
and given the commies killed a shit ton of vietnamese farmers they were in the right in that war and should not regret it
plus Vietnam is a really AESTHETIC WAR the most that is with a kickass soundtrack
Ayden Morgan
Oh but they do. Minimum wage is $100 per month, government jobs and teachers gets even less than that. Vietnamese works their ass off and they couldn't even pay the rent. Everything there is cheap in a whitefag's perspective, but not for the vietfags no.
Ian Allen
Propaganda. People all work part time and nap half the day. No one is struggling in the cities. You have no idea what you are talking about. Everyone owns a vehicle. It isnt glamour but it is no way comparable to the Phillipines. Gommunism works. People here have actual bars of gold lol. You coo coo.
Christopher Miller
>it does seem that vietnamese communism was nowhere near as ruthless
>goypedia
lol
They had their famine and per capita worse masstarvations than China but its blamed on Western interference and they simply purged hundredthousands of middleclass people over the borders in all direction to loot their property and if not fed by the other nations to starve that you wont see accounted for as direct masskillings in shitty kosher sources like goypedia.
Of course total deathtolls and purges where lower and smaller when they only have a small fraction of the population and hardly any "intellectuals" in first place
Jaxon Jackson
How was Nam aesthetic? Most movies about that war put a lot of emphasis on how horrid it was
Parker Cooper
it took vietnam 10 years to realise communism doesn't work as advertised, and began opening up for trade, that's pretty good
it took china about 30 years
it took russia about 70 years
Hunter Murphy
>it was decided before the end of the war
and that is absolutely irrelevant
Goy gibs are gibs. Dont try to obfuscate them under the labels "capitalism" or "diplomatic relations" like gook niggers.
Aaron Bell
>Most movies about that war put a lot of emphasis on how horrid it was
that again changes nothing plenty of wars were bloody and that was not even the most bloody
also a lot of movies dont put emphasis on what happens after that war do they now?
just muh agent orange muh napalm
and it is aesthetic
Gabriel Perez
gimme links to read up on
>hardly any "intellectuals" in first place
yeah I guess the viet cong shoulda made time to learn trigonometry while on the ho chi minh trail and living in tunnels
at least vietnamese aren't stupid enough to flood themselves with violent kebabs :^)
Ryder Barnes
CALLING ALL MUSLIMS ON Sup Forums i have 23 confirmed kills on muslim children and babies, lets have an AMA i want to throw acid on your ugly muslim mothers face while she jews bacon off my huge fat dick pisses on koran
James Gutierrez
Is South Korea richer than North Korea?
Tyler Green
how is allowing american oil companies to operate in vietnamese waters, gibs?
are you just a retarded burger stationed in kraut land?
Kayden James
No no no they didn't kill farmers no they don't.
Back in the 1950s they were running a nationwide campaign called "Land Reform". They stripped landowners off their properties, lands, rice fields and give them to farmers. They accuse landowners for "enslaving" the working class farmers and being a symbol of capitalism, therefore must get executed. Killed 10000 landowners in the period of 3 months, pillaged their homes for valuables and throw paddy fields to farmers to controls.
Problem is, when the farmers took control of the land, they fucked everything up because the landowners are supposed to be the ones running business and managing crop growth. Later on the economy took a nose dive and more vietfags died of starvation.
So yeah, they didn't kill the villagers. It's the villagers doing the killing.
Leo Nelson
>Would the Vietnamese be richer today if America won in Nam?
Probably. They're in a very important geographical position, so lots of US attention and aid, and actually have the geography for a flexible economy. Worst outcome would be like the Philippines, best outcome would be like Taiwan.
>Is America an influence of good or evil?
LOL. This is a child's attitude.
You need money in order to waste it like that.
You aren't really this dense, are you? The rules are very different when there's oil in play. Do you actually think the US was rebuilding iraq in the first place?
US wasn't in a position to boss people around for decolonization. No clue that things would have worked out as well as it did.
They didn't HAVE to, but it worked out a hell of a lot better for them than the ones that didn't.
I'm guessing this is a bot?
Charles Collins
Nam veterans were neglected after the war. One film franchise that highlights this is Rambo
Noah Hill
they look happier than south koreans
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in south korea, they eat soap
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Ryder Miller
>tfw you will never fight commie gooks with your buddies and make leftists butthurt
>tfw when you will never go looking for Charlie
standard commie stuff then
Robert Foster
North Korea:
>Run by communist dictator
>Violent and oppressive government
>Everyone is poor
South Korea
>Run by shadowy witches coven of 8 "goddesses"
>cultural marxism rampant
>men literally devolved into 100% soy product
>have allowed radical militant female supremacist "death to all men" party to run wild.
>adult human beings play videogames literally until they die
>at least people aren't ALL poor...
Chase Evans
>today the Vietnamese do pretty good
nope
Liam Phillips
yeah that was bullshit and really makes one sad to hear how these men were treated
how are IRAQ vets treated?
Ethan Smith
It isn't perfect but definitely better. All kinds of organizations dedicated to helping them
David Bennett
>Run by communist dictator
I don't believe what the media says about NK, they show and publish whatever they want and nobody needs to show any evidence
japantimes.co.jp
if NK was so anti USA, why would they allow this? and why is skippy there?
Brayden Wood
its good to hear people should really go back and look at that war a second time but knowing your country you wont
and it will remain as muh imperialism
William Hughes
>they were the good guys
anyone who defends commie or prevent commies from dying/being killed is the enemy. Not to mention its a nation of insects
Sebastian Johnson
only vietnamese care about american war veterans
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Landon Cook
>45+35+30=100
Kek
Andrew Robinson
It isn't the proudest chapter of our history, that's for sure. Thats when morale started to become low. After WWII and into the 50s everyone was optimistic. The 60s and Nam was when the cynicism started kicking in, and that cynicism was revitalized after 9/11
John Perry
how is this any different from capitalism in america? do you fight with walmart over the true cost of your clothes?
Jack Morris
Yes it would. Same goes with Russia and China. Commie states lost decades worth of development and are now playing catch-up
James Roberts
obviously we're the good influence in the world
Carson Russell
yeah i've been to vietnam literally chep prostituts everywhere a nation of rice frams commis and whores
Michael Smith
>>today the Vietnamese do pretty good
>nope
Nope what? Nope, the Vietnamese don't do pretty good today? It is a pretty advanced country and tourism there is booming.
Cameron Lee
they would be as rich as Puerto Rico