JoJo Thread

How would each of the parts play out if the JoJo's were switched i.e: Jotaro is the main character of part 4 or Joseph is the main character of part 7. Let's assume the non-stand using JoJo's can see stands. What fights would be harder? What fights would be easier? How would the part play out and be different.

If Jotaro was the mc of part 4 it would be incredibly easy, since all Jotaro would have to do is timestop (Which is 5 seconds instead of 1 since he isn't nerfed due to being a side character) at the tailor when kira is getting his jacket, and then ora his shit to another dimension

I'll be honest, I enjoyed Part 2 the most, only because the setting was really unique, especially the not comically evil Nazi

Also Joseph was the best dressed

I disagree but I respect your opinion

Joseph as the protagonist of part 1 would be interesting.
Part 2 Joseph vs Dio Brando
Who wins?

>ywn get to see the Star Wars reference with Giorno taking Jotaro's place in pt 3

>"No, Giorno... I, DIO, am your father!!"
>Giorno's face when he realizes his dad is gayer than he is and always will be

>Not comically evil
>Gets introduced killing off a bunch of people for the shits and giggles then molests a barber for cutting him

Jonathan in part 7 would be completely fucked, unless hermit purple 2 can conduct the spin.

Well they didnt kill 6 gorillion and cry about Aryans

The chauffer didnt deserve that death, and Stroheim was a total bro

Jotaro still wins against Funny Valentine because he's Jotaro.

>Stroheim
>not comically evil
Stroheim was as comical as a Nazi character can get, and he was evil (the story makes it very clear that even though he's helping the heroes he is still a bad man).
It's just that Stroheim is an actual character instead of just a joke or an overly evil caricature (which is what Nazis are usually written as)

Is Lisa Lisa the only Jojo girl we see fully nude?

>Joseph, Stroheim and Wamuu are the only characters in Part 2

What did Araki mean by this

The bathtub chick

Can King Crimson predict timestop

Jotaro being the protag of any part
>The one who put on the stone mask was me, Jotaro!
>Yare Yare Daze
>The one who became the perfect lifeform was me, Jotaro!
>Good grief
>The one who blew up time was me, Jotaro!
>What a pain
>The one who erased time was me, Jotaro!
>Give me a break
>The one who sped up time was me, Jotaro!
>Well well
>The one who swapped dimensions was me, Jotaro
>Gimme a break

I meant like an actual character.

maybe it shows DIO/Jotaro "teleporting" and appearing somewhere else

Yes but if you time stop right after he skips time to counter attack you, he is fucked. Diavolo loses to time stoppers every single time.

The character that inspired both would win

Timestop can only be seen by timestoppers, Epitaph would most likely see them start at one place and be in the next instantly. Of course, Diavolo could probably deduce that timestop is happening, but he wouldn't know instantly.

When will they fuck?

Suzuyo is a NEET that never goes out and Fruitdad does not tolerate sexual shenanigans in his household, if they're gonna do it they're going to have to do it at a love hotel or something.

Next chapter.
They know their lives are in danger, it's now or never.
this makes me think of wild beat communication for some reason

Wasnt fruitdad fine with four balls taking blindgirl's flower?

id disagree considering stands arent the primary in the sbr theyre used as abilities to assist in your own style of fighting and hermit purple is just that a utility stand. prime example is alternate diego using THE WORLD just for time stop to trap spam instead of the expected muda rush

Never.

So we're just going to ignore the fact that Araki reused the "Shhhh Soft & Wet" pose in this week's chapter?

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What if Jonathan was in Part 3 ?
What body would DIO be using then ?

Jonathan is star platinum

funny jojoke you can leave now

>Let's assume the non-stand using JoJo's can see stands.
Why couldn't they to begin with?

Last month when the previous chapter came out plenty of us were comparing it to Highway Star but this works too

goddamn doc
what's next?

Stardust Crusaders is 100 years after Phantom Blood. Even with Hamon, I doubt Jonathan could live that long

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I fucking knew Heaven's Door was a slut.

>the story makes it very clear that even though he's helping the heroes he is still a bad man
he fought and died for his country
he did bad stuff to protect the world from pillar men
he sacrified himself to save Joseph, and the world
twice
he saved the day multiple times

yeah no Stroheim was good

NUTMAN
SNEAKY AND MEAN

Jotaro's

>he fought and died for his country
Which was never represented as being anything other than evil, the narrator specifically mentions this
>he did bad stuff to protect the world from pillar men
He murdered a bunch of innocent people to awaken Santana in a fit of incompetence, got all his men killed, and needed Joseph to bail him out
>he sacrified himself to save Joseph
Santana was already inside his body (entirely due to his own actions) and the second time he encountered Joseph he took the Red Stone for his own purposes and, once again, fucked up and needed Joseph to bail him out. If it hadn't been for Joseph then Kars would've got it then and there.

Your husbando was never anything more than a bad guy with the same enemy as the good guys. He even makes an appearance in SBR in the form of Fritz Von Stroheim who was a fodder villain that was killed effortlessly.

Unless he sees that in his prediction and skips over that moment too.

Anne

>Will = Gappy
>Phil = Norisuke
>Carlton = Joshuu
>Hillary = Hato
>Ashley = Daiya
>Geoffrey = Kyo
Maybe Yasuho would be Jazz
Who would Jobin be ?

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>Which was never represented as being anything other than evil, the narrator specifically mentions this
The nazis served a wrong cause but were good men here. See Mark. Stroheim's devotion was praised by Joseph too.

>He murdered a bunch of innocent people to awaken Santana in a fit of incompetence, got all his men killed, and needed Joseph to bail him out
It was a desperate act because the others pillar men were about to wake up. Also, story purposes. Still, it's clear that he did this for mostly good reasons, although some of it can be attributed to SEKAICHIIIIIIIIII
>Santana was already inside his body (entirely due to his own actions)
Doesn't change that he sacrified himself (second time was when he jumped out of the plane to save Joseph), only for the sake of humanity and his country. That's GOOD.

Well he's not exactly a GOOD person but not a real bad one either.

The future has changed once he time skips and Epitaph needs to catch up to be able to predict 10 seconds ahead again. Diavolo would have to timeskip for a full 10 seconds to be able to predict right after a timeskip. Of course Diavolo could just skip time again right after a skip but he'd be skipping into an unsure future which is something he is not likely to do.

Oh right

>the narrator specifically mentions this
>he died in battle as a proud German soldier
>being a proud soldier is evil
K

>Not posting the better version

It's hard to discern what stuff in jojo is real and what araki makes up.

Is double dealing an actual thing?

Or what about the "switch comeback" the technique that professional athletes use to psych themselves up.

Google had nothing when I looked

>The nazis served a wrong cause but were good men here. See Mark
Mark was a random teenager who probably didn't even know what the Nazis were doing, he is in no way comparable to a guy who gleefully toyed with an enslaved woman and murdered innocent civilians.

Stroheim's devotion was praised by Joseph too
Yes, his devotion, not himself as a person.

>It was a desperate act because the others pillar men were about to wake up. Also, story purposes. Still, it's clear that he did this for mostly good reasons
Reread, he was lounging around on a deck-chair with sunglasses in the midst of this 'desperate act'. Stroheim was negligent and stupid. The 'good reasons' for waking Santana were absolutely non-existent. The Germans weren't able to do anything against them - all Stroheim's actions did was nearly unleash a pillar-man earlier, as well as potentially enraging him.

>Doesn't change that he sacrified himself
Once again, his reasons for 'sacrificing himself' the first time were 100% his own fault, and as far as he knew he was dead meat anyway. He spent most of the Santana fight screaming at Joseph to fight for him.

>only for the sake of humanity and his country. That's GOOD
And ACDC sacrificed himself for his Pillar-Men allies, that's GOOD too, by your logic.

>Forgetting how the narrator talks about the atrocities that the Germans committed for their country using science, magic-attempts, astrology and everything they could
>Acting as though mentioning Stroheim being proud nullifies this
Speedreader-kun pls

its not called switch comeback i believe but it exists, its something like a second wind

I genuinely love this series. It has many flaws, but its shitty imperfections make it perfect over the top yet somehow rooted and still always sets the mood well.

>Forgetting how the narrator talks about the atrocities that the Germans committed for their country using science, magic-attempts, astrology and everything they could
You are trying to judge a man based in what his goverment did. Are you really this retard?

The Part 4 anime was pretty average in retrospect.
The music was nice though.

You are trying to judge a man without taking into account how the story gave a brief summary of what horrible things his government did followed by showing him ordering the deaths of a bunch of civilians after lounging around on a deck-chair.

Stroheim isn't some random mook like Mark, retard-kun, and only a fool would think otherwise. Why are you so invested in Stroheim being some cuddly sweet babbu who dindu nuffin anyway? It's possible that a character can do helpful things without being presented as a good person, you know.

He WAS the German government, you fucking retard. Jesus christ.

He not being good doesn't mean he is evil. Yes, he is not a nice guy and kind of a jerk and even cruel but that doesn't make him evil. One of the thing Jojo's does well is presenting characters with a gray moral both with the protagonist and the antagonist. For example I wouldn't call Eisidisi or Wammu evil either.

No, he wasn't he was a soldier being a soldier doesn't make you part of the goverment.

>you are trying to judge a man based on what his government did
Yes because a man titled MAJOR has clearly nothing to do with his own government at all.
Why are you trying to defend Stroheim ?
We are not complaining about him at all, we all like him. But he's not a good person. He has likeable traits but he is not a good guy and it's foolish to think of him as such

>the best songs weren't on the anime
>again

He is not a good guy but he isn't evil either.

I don't recall calling him good or evil.

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I never realized this Iggy reference before

Yeah and I didn't call him good either. I'm not And was the one who called him evil.

>Kidnaps and tortures Speedwagon
>Kills a village
>Awakens an Aztec demigod and nearly gets everyone killed
>Steals the red stone for his own selfish purposes, nearly gets everyone killed again
>Goes in for the last shot on Kars without checking or thinking, nearly gets everyone killed again
>'he is not a nice guy and kind of a jerk and even cruel but that doesn't make him evil'
He was overwhelmingly more of a hindrance than a help, and the times he helped it was only because he had a common enemy. Like two posts ago you were shrilly claiming 'yeah no Stroheim was good'.

And your line about him being a soldier and not part of the Government is absolutely laughable given how the two were basically the same thing with the Nazis, that's kind of a key part of facism. And he was a MAJOR too like that other one said, you absolutely cannot compare him to nobodies like Mark.

Stroheim's a fun character but you're trying to make him boring and nonsensical.

how did you make that image?

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I'm not and majors still can't do too much shit about political stuff in the line of command

Never, the farthest they'll go is hold hands

The only good thing here is your sf main

why is this our nigga again?

>favorite stand ability
why? i always thought it was pretty plain

He was in fucking Mexico, it's not like he had superiors breathing down his neck at every second making him do bad things.

And if he was the good guy who can't be judged by his political allegiance like he is in your fan-fiction, wouldn't he have demonstrated like an iota of regret or hesitation? Fucking Wamuu showed more inner turmoil about killing hamon-users (who were a constant and active threat to him and his kind and whose powers were specifically to kill them) than Stroheim did about murdering villagers including children.

Stroheim was an ally but he was pretty fucking dark-grey as far as grey morality goes, and he was never presented as anything other than this.

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Yeas, you are right. The only thing I'm saying it's that you can't call it really evil because he still values some virtues like honor, bravery and self-sacrifice.

Thank you

He does kinda look like a dog

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because he has no social skills. Just like everyone on this board.

>no OST dedicated to just vocal radio songs
>you'll never hear Morioh-Cho Radio again or meet Kai Harada

Jotaro would be a great protagonist in any part. In fact instead of having Josuke Part 4 would have been better if it was just Jotaro. Also in a way Araki switching protagonists sucks because it would be neat if we actually saw Stands being developed. Araki nerfs his old characters so we never actually saw Stands being developed much. It's a shame because there were many ways to develop star platinum but we only got a nerfed time stop.

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Josuke is awful especially since Araki threw Joseph under the bus to explain his existence.

Maybe before but in part 8 most Stands have specific gimmicky abilities so there's not much room for improvement

Not really, it's just a few. They're mostly straightforward.

What do you mean by this?

The first time Joseph went to Japan was in Part 3 so there's no way he could have concieved Josuke. Also Araki made a guy who was married for 50 years cheat on his wife because he didn't want Jotato to be a teen dad

>Jotaro being a father in his late teens
Missed oppurtunity.

Do you think DIO and Jotaro used The World during sex

Make me a rokaka?
Or better yet
Make me a date?
NOOOO
Let me tell you boys something about fruit something about fruit.
Fruit is a trip uncle funcle one sec your getting all smooth and the next AAAAAAAAAAAA

Wasn't he like 20 when he conceived Jolyne? She's 19 and he was 40 in part 6.

He was in his mid 20s in Part 4 and he didn't mention a wife and a kid

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maybe he'd think they have a teleportation stand?
speaking of which, has there ever been a teleportation stand?

desu out of any of the OG universe characters Joseph is easily the most likely JoJo to cheat. With the way he was established I really don't see how it's out of character at all

Also to have Jotaro be a teen dad would put Diamond a hell of a lot farther down the timeline than 1999. Josuke was born 83, Jotaro would've been like 13. I don't think Araki wanted to write something too far flung into the future