Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?
The commies always claim that their system is for the "working class", but in reality bolschewik, chinese and even nowadays north koreans communists are only opressing the proleteriat and giving the fruits of their effort to the (((comunist party elites))), leaving the common folk they claim to take care of to starvation and misery.
While the Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers, improved their life from post-versailles and great depression, and united the entire German volk in a one idea. Gave them forests and fields, land and bread. Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed.
So isn't National Socialism technically... the only real system trully for the working class?
>getting rid of trash and degenerates >something bad
Jack Williams
>>>/leftypol/ bolschewik subhumans
Brayden Torres
Quality bait, 10/10
Oliver Peterson
You wrote the sentence in a way it sounded like you do.
Anyway, Sieg heil!
Noah Cooper
No, because even if all that was true the Nazis would just start a stupid war and get fucked sideways, along with the workers and farmers. Failure is inherit in the system. No matter what your intentions are it's all useless if you're too stupid to realise them
Luis Parker
hitler's ideal was a highly regulated and subsidized economy. that employed everyone and produced so much that it was all affordable to the working man.
much like the modern US Democratic Party.
Cameron Sullivan
>Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers? They saw their standard of living FALL under nazism you fucktarded chimp. Yes, even before the ruinous war.
Wyatt Turner
>No, because even if all that was true the Nazis would just start a stupid war and get fucked sideways, along with the workers and farmers. It's not hard to win a war for a good life for your volk when you are surrounded by the enemies, both external (Soviet bolscheviks, Komintern, financial (((Elites))) ruling secretely colonil empires) and internal (communists, reactionists, juden).
Nathaniel Campbell
>Yes, even before the ruinous war. "No".
Jonathan Davis
They never had a coherent policy for either workers or farmers. Early on they were all about a new form of trade unionism, the socialism part of national socialism. It was a huge draw for brownshirt recruitment. Better working conditions without having to be a filty aetheist communist. When they actually got into power, there soon were a lot of Nazis seriously disillusioned with the party, and we know what happened to the brownshirts.
Juan Bell
They must have been really stupid if they couldn't even win an easy war. Look, I don't want to be the one to break this to you, but the nazis ultimately made everything worse for everyone with their actions. Much like you, it would have been better if they never existed
Jose Cruz
>ywn live in a timeline where conservative German farmers violently rebel against the revolutionary Nazi government
feelsbadman
Mason Cook
>Was the National Socialism the real political solution for the workers and farmers?
NATIONAL SOCIALISM WAS, AND IS, THE REAL SOCIOPOLITICAL, AND SOCIOECONOMIC, SOLUTION FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY, OR OF OCCUPATION.
Eli Williams
rohm was a faggot crypto-bolschewik, who wanted to destroy the german industrialists instead of uniting them with the working class.
Good that he and his lovers got destroyed, the real brownshirts stayed with Hitler and built a real national socialism.
Nathan Robinson
>take i want reddit to leave
Connor Foster
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Thomas Mitchell
>bolschewist propaganda + hurr durr giving the industrialists something in exchange to unite them with the workers is something bad Still the NS system was better for the working class than soviet collectivization poverty.
Benjamin Mitchell
>le the nazis privatized a few small things like the steel industry therefore they were liberal capitalists >Even though it's completely dwarfed by shit like Reichswerke Hermann Göring anyway
yawn
Asher Foster
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Adam Morales
t.
Logan Cox
Have your (you) (((G*rm))) scum.
Easton Gutierrez
calm down schlomo
Justin Rodriguez
Easy now Hans Abdullah.....
Liam Phillips
>Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Getränk Nietzsche war unrichtig, das ist die blödsinnigste Parole der Welt.
Benjamin Hernandez
>being this mad What's your problem? Are you envious of my Aryan race? I know you have a huge complexes because of your jude nose rabbi :)
Daniel Evans
Seeing the left as elitist is mainly a western thing. When you live under a third world dictatorship you'll hear the right's line of discourse mostly from those guys who step on your throat
Brody Morales
Have another you
Aiden Scott
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Easton Williams
Not true. The average peasant was way better off before the war
Bentley Bennett
>Lol your pathetic Reich lasted for only 12 years It's revival will last more than 1000. Sieg heil!
Brandon Smith
>Highway right next to where people live What idiot designed this horrendous crap?
Jack Ward
Stop larping, you aren't even German
Juan Edwards
>Stop larping, you aren't even German My spirit is 100% German and my great grandpa served in Wehrmacht during Operation Barbarossa :) I will once serve in Wehrmacht too if not in Waffen SS.
Oliver Peterson
A nazi germany without you would be a nazi germany that's mildly more liveable. Seriously, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Lincoln Morris
>Seriously, why haven't you killed yourself yet? Because I want to either die like a hero in the great race war of the future, or die naturally after the war is over. :)
Ian Barnes
Fuck niggers I'm banned.
Carter Stewart
LMAO XD UR A JOOOO U DONT LIKE NAZIS SO U JOO XDDDD U HAV BIG NOSE KEKE XD
Jaxson Baker
>repeating meme phrases ironic
Justin Cooper
Honestly, that's what I find most perplexing about Stomrfront types on Sup Forums or elsewhere on the internet. They know that their views are the last thing from mainstream, but of course if you disagree, YOU MUST BE ONE OF (((THEM))). Just how many Jews and Jewish agents do they think there are?
Ayden Cruz
nice disinfo schlomo
Brody Anderson
Nice anti semitism Nazi
Chase Stewart
>Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers He didn't unite shit. >improved their life from post-versailles and great depression He didn't do this either. >united the entire German volk in a one idea. If your idea of "uniting" is throwing people who disagree with you into labor camps then okay >Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed. people were more dependent on the state than ever as the vast-majority of jobs were so lowpaying they had to seek governmental assistance to maintain their basic living standards
Jackson Rodriguez
Read "The Wages of Destruction".
Luis Miller
Your grandfather was a cuck and so are you.
Evan Adams
>So isn't National Socialism technically... the only real system trully for the working class?
Tyler Brooks
You're going to have to explain how the only nation that willingly fought communism to a significant extent and for the western white European man is cucked.
Brayden Hill
Ah yes, the greatest tactic to fight Bolshevism - invade a menagerie of capitalist countries and split Eastern Europe with the Soviet Union.
Truly, Hitler was a master.
>for the western white European man Because enslaving and murdering hundreds of thousands of western white European men is so noble.
>Ah yes, the greatest tactic to fight Bolshevism - invade a menagerie of capitalist countries and split Eastern Europe with the Soviet Union.
28 million commies died in the German invasion. Poland had annexed part of Czech and Lithuanian lands. France declared war on Germany, not vice verse. Denmark, Norway, and Belgium were all siding with the allies but didn't nor couldn't contribute meaningful military effort.
>Because enslaving and murdering hundreds of thousands of western white European men is so noble.
Britain and France declared war on Germany.
Alexander Cook
Wages stagnated, income disparity increased, working hours increased, consumption declined, etc. It doesn't seem like that much of an improvement over the old regime. Good book, but it feels lacking in tables and stats compared to Richard Overy's books. The Economics of World War II also has a section on the pre-war German economy.
Sebastian Stewart
>showing images from Stalin's gulags as proof "alledged" wrong doings by Germany. Still didn't happen.
Joshua Phillips
>Britain and France declared war on Germany. Because Germany attacked Poland, who were guaranteed by Britain.
Charles Miller
Does this look like a Soviet officer?
Henry Fisher
Do these look like Soviets?
Carter Roberts
What about these men?
Aaron Ward
Photoshopped false flag communist picture of Soviet NKVD officers dressed up as a German officer in order to frame Germany.
Gavin Ramirez
These?
Ayden Morris
>28 million commies died in the German invasion. Can I have a link to the ideological census carried on those 28 million?
>The trial resulted in Koch being sentenced to death for disgracing both himself and the SS. >SS officer killed for mistreatment and theft.
>Guaranteed by Britain
So why did Britain and France "guarantee" a country that was bullying it's smaller defenseless neighbors anyways? Hypocrites if you ask me.
Leo Richardson
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Alexander Edwards
Yawn..... all fake. None of this happened.
Nathan Harris
They were Soviets. It's their raizon d'etre. If they weren't communists, their own government purged them. I think you take for granted the kind of land you live in.
Jose Myers
*raison
Austin Sullivan
Stop posting debunked images Simon Toncman was actually removed in the newspaper print due to the prude editor's squeamishness taking over his reporting of the holocaust when it comes to showing an emaciated, naked victim covering his modesty with some clothing. So much so, that in the supposedly original newspaper clipping, the first bunk post from the right (not visible in the photo with the inmate in the foreground) is actually missing its base, compared to the ones left of it. So while we have proof of a newspaper editor doctoring an original image available in an enlarged format in the archive, what exactly does this prove? If Simon Toncman was added in, we would first have to find the original print of this famous photo without him (instead of just the pic in the newspaper), as well as the original photo where he has been taken from (so that he could be copy-pasted into the famous photo above), which also no denier has ever been able to find, and in any case, the collage would have only proven that someone was trying to emphasize the very real emaciation that affected most victims found in the liberated camps - which is something no sensible (oxymoron!) holocaust denier disputes in the first place.
Adrian Ramirez
>a country that was bullying it's smaller defenseless neighbors So Germany?
Colton Hernandez
this kills the economy
Jayden Hall
>makes up cover story for a removal he can't hide
This is new levels of holocausting I never thought possible
>goes on to spam pictures of Germans walking next to people harmlessly
So when Poland does it and France and Britain help it's no big deal but when Germany bullies the bully it's a somehow wrong? Sounds fair lmao
Jaxson Smith
Exactly. These photos were fake or they were communist false flag terrorist attacks in order to frame Germany. None of this happened. Nope. And those photos are fake. It didn't happen.
Kevin Myers
Even if we were to assume that they literally purged every non-communist, by your logic they were all purged before the start of the war since you assume all of them were communists and therefore the Soviet goverment didn't kill people who didn't hold that ideology after 1939. Take a minute to reason how retarded you sound.
Hudson Bennett
>makes up cover story for a removal he can't hide Why are you so afraid to address the argument?
>Poland >Bully In what alternate timeline do you live?
Brandon Myers
>everything I don't like is faked by communists woah.. so this is the power.... of Sup Forums.....
Asher Bailey
Lol
Samuel Murphy
Youre a walking, talking meme
Eli Brown
You don't know history. In what way Poland bullied its smaller neighbors? You know that Poles annexed Vilnius region in 1922? And I hope you realize it was a territory granted to Lithuania by the bolsheviks? Of course you completely ignore that the Germans demanded Klaipeda/Memel from Lithuania in 1939. >The region subsequently accounted for up to 30% of the Lithuania's entire production. Between 70% and 80% of foreign trade passed through Klaipėda. The region, which represented only about 5% of Lithuania's territory, contained a third of its industry. And then after the destruction of Poland they sold Lithuania to the Soviets? This is okay I suppose?
Why do you retards even respond to these shitty baits?
Cooper Reed
NYTM published a heavily retouched photo due to some editor's fit of prudishness. All we see is evidence of a retouched photo in a magazine. Is there any evidence that the original photo has been manipulated in any way? There is none.
Joshua Cook
>Exactly. These photos were fake or they were communist false flag terrorist attacks in order to frame Germany. None of this happened.
Right? The people who were creating supremacy propaganda were obviously going to carry out the operation whatever it took. Slav isn't even a racial category but if you ask a leftie they'll spout literal propaganda under Stalin about how the Germans were trying to kill even the Germanic element in the USSR. Then we split Germany. All of our camps are concentration camps, all of their camps became death camps.
I'm just saying they went to war with a power that considered itself fully communist and actively purged all elements that weren't communist. The basic argument is that Germany fought communism. That's basically true in that it fought the most powerful incarnation of it. Not every single person needed to be a fully dedicated communist for it to be a war on communism, especially since communism exploited that persons value and labor anyways.
>Why are you so afraid to address the argument?
What argument?
>In what alternate timeline do you live?
So you're going to pretend Poland didn't go around annexing parts of defenseless Czechs and Lithuanians?
Well oy my vehs
>You don't know history. In what way Poland bullied its smaller neighbors? >You know that Poles annexed Vilnius region in 1922?
Ok so now we're getting somewhere. You actually bothered to google right after you posted above wondering why Poland was a bully.
>And I hope you realize it was a territory granted to Lithuania by the bolsheviks?
You mean these bolsheviks? The ones that warred on both Poland and Lithuania?
>Of course you completely ignore that the Germans demanded Klaipeda/Memel from Lithuania in 1939
I suppose you didn't know that Memel was originally Prussian before
Easton Hill
>heavily retouched >conveniently leaves out the central element that underscores the suffering of the poor campers
user I...
Zachary Long
it actually makes sense, because oil was so expensive in nazi germany, and the standard of living so low compared to the cost of cars, there would be nobody driving on them anyway, so no noise problems
Camden Taylor
You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish.
I mean these bolsheviks:
>On April 19, 1919, the Polish Army captured Vilnius.[6] >Soviets and Lithuanians negotiated the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty, which was signed on July 12, 1920. Russia recognized Lithuanian independence and withdrew any territorial claims. The treaty drew the eastern border of Lithuania, which the Lithuanians continued to claim as their de jure state border until World War II. Vilnius Region, including Brasłaŭ, Hrodna, Lida, and Vilnius, was recognized to Lithuania.[53] On August 6, after long and heated negotiations, Lithuania and Soviet Russia signed a convention regarding withdrawal of Russian troops from the recognized Lithuanian territory. >Poland claimed that Lithuania violated its claim to neutrality in the Polish–Soviet War and in effect became a Soviet ally.[62] A secret clause of the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty allowed Soviet forces unrestricted movement within the Soviet-recognized Lithuanian territory for the duration of Soviet hostilities with Poland.
Daniel Hill
>You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish. This was according to Poles. Same thing when they took over German areas, and in less than 20 years they were reporting that universally German areas had suddenly-GASP- become Polish. Look at the rates of increase in Poles and the alleged decline of ethnic Germans. It's almost like they were just taking from the German category and putting them in the Pole category based on linguistic capability.
>A secret clause of the Soviet–Lithuanian Peace Treaty allowed Soviet forces unrestricted movement within the Soviet-recognized Lithuanian territory for the duration of Soviet hostilities with Poland.
You just shared evidence that tiny Lithuania is more afraid of a Polish invasion than by the USSR.
These bolsheviks. Notice the 10000 Germans that came to support the Lithuanians as they fought against the traitorous bolsheviks.
8,000 Lithuanians in August 1919 Weimar Republic 10,000 Germans
Against:
18,000–20,000 Bolsheviks You know nothing about this history. Not only was Poland a bully, not only did the bolsheviks invade both Poland and Lithuania, but the Germans volunteered to help fight with the Lithuanians.
Oliver Jones
So to be clear, Poland was just as much of a threat as the Soviets but the Soviets backed out first. And two, the Soviets did not generously give Lithuania it's freedom. That freedom was won in blood, and not only their blood but it was won by German blood.
Levi Green
fascist governments end up the same way it's a state problem more than an economic problem
Lincoln Richardson
>>You ignore that Vilnius was a Polish and the region was majority Polish. >This was according to Poles Call it kikeapedia or what will you, but >Vilnius was one of the most Polonized and Russified[24][25] of Lithuanian cities during 1795-1914 Russian rule,[26] with Lithuanians constituting a mere fraction of the total population: 2% - 2,6% according to Russian (1897), German (1916) and Polish (1919) censuses. The latter two indicated that 50,1% or 56,2% of the inhabitants were Poles, while the Jewish share in the population amounted to 43,5% or 36,1%
Levi Wilson
>My spirit is 100% German lmao
Luis Hall
No why the hell would you think so?
>The commies always claim that their system is for the "working class", but in reality bolschewik, chinese and even nowadays north koreans communists are only opressing the proleteriat and giving the fruits of their effort to the (((comunist party elites))), leaving the common folk they claim to take care of to starvation and misery. What do you think happened in Germany? Same shite in different colour.
>While the Hitler's thought united the workers and farmers, improved their life from post-versailles and great depression, and united the entire German volk in a one idea. Gave them forests and fields, land and bread. Gave the unemployed good work in a good conditions they needed. This is either wrong or done by Soviets in a larger scale.
Alexander Smith
>according to Russian (1897), German (1916) and Polish (1919) censuses > The latter two indicated that 50,1% or 56,2% of the inhabitants were Poles, while the Jewish share in the population amounted to 43,5% or 36,1% >The latter two >Polish (1919)
So according to census based on Poles, one city, Vilnius, is 56% Polish and 36% jewish. Leaving presumably 8% Lithuanians. Assuming Lithuanian was a category they actually used instead of Russian. I don't know what you were trying to prove here. Look at the numbers of ethnic Germans and the rise in "ethnic" Poles in the two decades after Poland took over territories. Millions of Germans disappear in that time frame and the Polish birthrate would've had to have been tremendous at the same time.
Zachary Perez
I'm sure all those farmers and workers that ended up freezing to death on the Eastern Front were really impressed with the state of their lives
Ryan Myers
>farmers and workers that ended up freezing to death on the Eastern Front
Read this again and come up with better lambasting. Especially considering the Baltic SS volunteers and the tens of thousands of Russian-Ukrainian partisans that fought for the Germans at Stalingrad.
Angel Sanchez
>Millions of Germans disappear in that time frame No, they emigrate
Asher Garcia
Look at the time frame. Look at the Polish increase in population.