Jordan Peterson

What's Pols beef with Jordan Peterson?

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Literally nothing wrong with him except for his voice. Being a voicelet must be suffering.

Clean your rooom was too close to home

I think kermit is a jewish shill, he offers no real solutions.

Do we accept his views on archetypes?

Sup Forums believes he is too smart not to know about the jewish question and cowardly dodged it.

He's a typical psychobabble trickster. There's hundreds of them each with his individual cult that promises to train you in being successful.

Pro-Immigrant

Pro-Nonwhite

Believes "muh values" are separate from race

Individualist. Emotionally unstable. Intellectually dishonest (Denies White people exist and then tells us Jews are smarter than Whites). He's not a White advocate. He doesn't care about his own people. He's a merchant more than anything.

Personally I think he's too philosophical.

I think he said few times that there is no Jewish NWO conspiracy.

Like every other Youtuber, because of shiny ((( Youtube shekels ))).

Sup Forums sucked his cock off non stop but when he found out and denounced most people on Sup Forums they did a 180 and claim they never did in the first place

he advocates the shouldering of responsibility regardless of the unfortunate circumstances you may find yourself in, which is the last thing most people want to do, Sup Forumsack or not.
essentially this.

This and he claims to be a warrior of truth and free speech, but barred Faith Goldy from attending an event he was speaking at along with Gaad Saad

He nothing more than a over glorified motivational speaker, that uses fancy words to lure in 'tfw too intelligent' tier aspies.

the question is what is his beef with us? he would have been fine if he didn't decide to pick a pointless fight and call white identitarians retarded losers who are stupid for being "proud of their race"

he could have just fucked off and kept to himself

You shills just make this shit up don't you?

He offers as simplistic of an explanation to the development of the society in the recent years as the SJWs do, but instead of "wypipo ruin everything' he says 'postmodernism ruins everything', which is easy to buy into, but which is only a small part of the complicated world dynamics. With that, he also presents himself as a father figure with 'tips to improve yourself', and that's easy to buy if you're a depressed rightwingish 20-year old with no direction in life. He's also turning into a celebrity both in terms of his own mindset and desire to sell stuff.
Not even to mention Maps of Meaning is a piece of drivel and to actual science he is the same as Rick and Morty is.

also this

I have no real beef with him but people who act like he is some super intelligent god figure with the answer to everything need to get a grip.

Nothing wrong with being an individualist. You're coming off from the assumption that there have never been white vs white conflicts in the history of the white race.

Emotionally unstable? How? If he was emotionally unstable, don't you think he would have crumbled under public pressure on many occasions? Don't you think that it would be easier for someone who's emotionally unstable to hide in order to not be challenged by others?

Looking at the facts, Jews tend to have higher IQs than whites. Just because he's not obsessed with nationalism, just because he doesn't live for other people, just because he doesn't need drama and feelings of oppression to have a cause, doesn't mean he has no values.

Let me guess. You're going to quote one little thing in my post, meme about it and dismiss all the points I made. Or is it the flag?

He's anti-totalitarian, so the fascists/neofascists hate him, which is a shame because their stuff about self improvement is better served by what he talks about than anything from their ideology.

Sup Forumstards tried to associate with him, didn't even get to smell his fart.

He's great, but doesn't hate Jews enough for pol

jew lover

I dunno, they loved him a year a go.
I guess because he doesn't hate jews

Good man, but unwilling to recognize the importance of a collective identity to foster the strong individual

He's the perfect man to red pill people on marxism. Thats his job and he does it well.
Sup Forums is never going to like anyone unless they actively call for Jewish genocide and ethnic nationalism.

I have no beef. The beef is from a minority of perpetual antithetical thinking; they can't help it.

They're people for whom being a contrarian is their primary purpose.

Only a very extreme few here are concerned with enacting some jewish genocide.
We want to have our own lands and we want our leaders to openly admit
that the lands we inhabit belong to us and us only.

JBP is good at countering marxism but I find the cult that's starting to form around him to be concerning.

He pissed off a bunch of trannies saying he will never use more than two pronouns since there are only two genders.

Now faggots and apologists of said faggots as well as atheist edgelords are shilling in force on Sup Forums with dumbass meme threads trying to cause schisms as is the marxist divide and conquer tactic.

>Yarden Peterstein

Nigger kike that exploits forever alone faggots who's dad was absent from their childhood. Nothing we want to be associated with. I don't see the need why we should support any bum that calls out trannies.

This also the Faith goldy shite was sketchy. Good to watch for self improvement though

He's a leaf that can't shut up about America and other shit he doesn't understand. In other words: a leaf.

Sup Forums recognizes his value as an effective agent against cultural marxists, but that doesn't mean we have obligations to not call his ideas out when they are anti-white. That's what will work best for us.

Peterson is very easy to introduce people into non-marxist thinking. Biological difference, the reality of hierarchy, duty instead of liberty, importance of IQ and wisdom of tradition. Jordan lays out the foundation for racerealism and ethnonationalism so obviously some have thought he's a cryptofascist. Normies are a lot more receptive to those ideas when someone like Peterson tells them.

His arguments for individualism are weak as fuck and when his fanboys inevitably come across Sup Forumss ideas, they should be woke.

>Good to watch for self improvement though
What kind of a faggot you have to be to watch someone else give you advice on "self improvement". It doesn't take a genius to understand what you should do and shouldn't.

The problem with being an individualist is that you're powerless to stand up against non-individualists. You need some collectivism to stand against hordes like communists or Muslims. You don't have to be a human ant like a commie, but make some simple sacrifices (like having a family) for the greater good.

but the phalanx fails when the individual fails, it is necessary for the individual to be strong for the group to be strong.

this point is actually explicitly made in that movie. it also makes that point that the kind of person who doesn't accept this becomes bitter and resentful, to the point where it turns them against themselves and the things they used to hold dear.

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Yeah but the phalanx exist when individuals band together as a group. The fact that you need strong individuals does not nullify that the strength lies in numbers, quite the fucking contrary mate.

Remember how many the Spartans were? Good. Remember how many the Persians were? Nice. What's the only logical conclusion you can reach?

I don't worship him lik a demi-god like some of his fan/supporters do, but I like what he has to say for the most part.

He is a F U C K I N G H Y P O C R I T E
Jews
Niggers
Everybody but WHITES
kwim
cause when whites collectivize
ya know
hitler

intellectual hypocrites

i haive no problemw ith LEGAL immigrants who want to adapt to USA culture

Resurrect the dragon and slay the old wizard.

>adapt to USA culture
spic culture?
whop culture?
nigger culture?

this is what happens when
WHITE CULTURE disappears

Most people aren’t Nazis or even alt right here. Its an obsessed fringe minority that over poasts.

JP’s Biblical series will be remembered in history as the best rationalist analysis in the history of of the Bible and anyone on here who argues otherwise is an idiot or shill.

contrarianism.

sperglord redditors pay him over a million dollars a year via patreon to make videos. the man literally makes a million bucks a year off of reddit.

also it's rick and morty syndrome - people blindly buy into what he's saying like it's a new religion. people get mad as hell i you criticize or disagree with what he says

>What's Pols beef with Jordan Peterson?

"clean your room" has become the loudest 'gas the kikes race war now' dog whistle of our time

If he loves individualism so much he should love the 6 gorillion genders.

>the man literally makes a million bucks a year off of reddit

What's your point?

He doesn't want to kill all blacks and say the joos are evil.

Peterson is useful for pointing out the problems of subjectivism and post modernism.
He's also good at tell young men to get off their asses, and to start small with stuff like "clean your room".
On the other hand, he admits he is pretty left wing overall and admits he used to hang out with communists in his youth, until he realized they were utterly retarded.
Also, he's a boomer so he won't understand why the younger generations are lashing out at all of the progressive systems that boomers help set up, boomers just don't see how their social movements have destroyed the legacy of the west (this is my biggest issue with him).
His discussions on the Bible, archetypes, Freud, Jung, Nietzsche, etc have value and can help younger men and women find their grounding in a time of ever mounting chaos and disorder. Just do your best to not idolize the man and realize that he is coming from a boomer perspective, one in which they still imagine that whites are a 90%+ majority in all of western civilization.

Clean your room and donate to my patreon.

>kike lover
>anti-racist
>zionist
>radical individualist
Dont know myself why people hate him, looks like /ourguy/.

Absolutely this. Fuck him he's dead to me. Also thinks ethnic pride is the same as personal achievement pride, proving he's an utter brainlet

he has a 1%-er career simply by making videos for soy latte faggots. people hate the successful

Because all he does is blather nonsensical mumbo-jumbo like slay the dragon inside the belly or other meaningless shit and some think it's very deep knowledge because of his voice

>The fact that you need strong individuals does not nullify that the strength lies in numbers, quite the fucking contrary mate.
Never stated otherwise.

My only point was that, of the group and the individual, only one is a prerequisite of the other. If you want a group to function properly the individuals of that group must also function properly.

>Remember how many the Spartans were? Good. Remember how many the Persians were? Nice. What's the only logical conclusion you can reach?
Did I imply groups aren't stronger than the individuals, or that the Spartans weren't stronger than the Persians?

You should also keep in mind that in the movie the 300 Spartans would have been victorious had it not been for the failure of the individual. (Ephialtes)

That's the whole point of the movie. Links make the chain. Strong links make stronger chains. A single weak link can make what is otherwise the strongest chain in the world fail.

He's a father figure for damaged millenial manchildren that refuses to acknowledge neporism in the kikes and is a hyper-individualist faggot despite white people being the only group that does not work as one

It’s cause he’s a centrist

>we
there is no "we" faggot, unless you're a nigger.
The question is do YOU accept them.

He's too centrist and wise for our times. We want blood and fire - a decisive, cathartic purge of our enemies.

I've watched basically all of his videos over the span of about a year and he has some really important things to say, although it takes some serious time investment to get your head around some of his ideas because they're so complex and abstract.

He seems to have his head screwed on, I think there's only 2 things I've taken serious issue with in that years timespan and 1 is MGTOW, which he called weasles but then later took back in a follow up interview, he acknowledges the problems but takes issue with what MGTOW are telling other men, which I guess is a fair enough comment but he offers no alternative.

2nd is the Faith Goldy dis-invite he was part of, I think he handled that badly and should have declined the speaking position for having removed her.

I've never seen any arguments posted on Sup Forums that really show major flaws in a lot of what he's saying.

None at all. He's helped thousands of young men start to get their life on track. In some people, he's the father they never had. Kudos to him.

>He's a father figure for damaged millenial manchildren

yep. a very specific breed, however - Silicon Valley programmer virgins with Google bux to blow on stupid Patreon shit. The digitally retarded economy that we live in with Patreon, Twitch tipping, camwhore sites, paid commission furry porn, and cryptocurrency/ICOs is all being driven by 28 year old Javascript nerds who have never had a girlfriend.

Maybe Jordan Peterson is okay living in a world dominated by collectivists. Maybe he realizes that we're all too divided at our very cores to truly be united, or simply united enough to beat the NWO. Maybe the fact that he doesn't speak of the NWO or denies its existence is in the goal of avoiding to lose all credibility both academically and personally.

Having a family has always been self-oriented. The very nature of human action is self-interest. You can't tell someone to do something that is purely not in their interest and in the interest of others, because that's simply not possible. All actions are selfish, even actions you may regard as selfless. People who claim to be commies and Antifa do it for moral superiority and to complete their hero complex. People who are into white nationalism, or literally ANY group regardless of political orientation do it because they want to belong. Every single human action can be measured as an action that results in one's benefit. It would benefit YOUR CAUSE if Peterson did all the things you all so desperately want him to do. It wouldn't benefit him. He's smart, he knows he can't be the one to defeat the system, he can be the starting point for other people to work on. The fact he's not radicalized (and yes, you can be radicalized, just look at 3/4 posters here who would dismiss you just because of your flag) doesn't mean he's an idiot, or a bad person. He would be a shit person if he acted like an idiot against his self-interest. You literally cannot blame someone for not doing something that would endanger them.

spbp

If you have to reject everyone who isn't heiling hitler you'll be stuck in a box.

He's my daddy!

He is vomitter of platitudes wrapped in fancy words.

>You need some collectivism to stand against hordes like communists or Muslims.
There's nothing inherently collectivist about banding together against a common enemy. In fact the only reason Muslims are a threat is because of whites collectivist feeling of guilt. If they were viewed as individuals with agency the whole notion that we must open ourselves to plunder because of the sins of our ancestors would fly out the fucking window.

If whites held the refugees to actual western standards instead of "respecting their culture", a collectivist notion, this problem would evaporate overnight.

The problem isn't the muslims. They are acting perfectly rationally, if you were in their position why WOULDNT you come to Europe. Why wouldn't you come to a land where you'll be given 10x what you make at home just for breathing the air and you can break whatever laws you want without consequence? The problem is the whites who feel the need to subsidize them coming here with taxpayer's money.

If you drop food ants will come.

I think the guys is right about many things he says. But I was not surprised with his statements, they come from common sense after all.
But really guys? You have to do better than that.

most Sup Forums autists are as bad as niggers and women at taking responsibility.


the truth is, you must take responsibility for everything. everything in your world.

Thank to him, I now really like jews.

>Jews are smarter than Whites
They are though.

I don't listen to his political stuff at all because it's all been said before and I'm already anti-PC and anti-SJW so I gain nothing from it, and as some here have said, he doesn't have the balls (or doesn't believe) to say shit against the Juden. I like his self-improvement and psychology stuff it's actually real shit that I haven't seen before like the Authoring program which I haven't come across before. I think people make a mistake when they pick one source to base their life on, no matter what the source is. I like Jordan, I learned what I could from him, I applied some of his wisdoms and the stuff that I don't agree with I ignored. That's how we should treat every person that we come across, be it over the internet or in real life.

>lolbertarian
>muh value > identity

This. Motherfucker quotes Solzhenitsyn and the horrors of communism left and right and yet acclaims Jews.

Literally said that Muh Jewish IQ I responsible for their success.

And that many of his closest friends in Academia are Jews.

Dude is a coward.

Assuming the Muh Jewish IQ is even true - there are eight million Jews in the US.

There are more White males with higher IQs than the Jewish average in the US than there are Jews of all kinds.

Never let (((them))) use that excuse for their cronyism and nepotism.

>we
holy shit

SHUT UP you're just jealous of the jews now go clean your room NAZI!


that'll be $10 please

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hes a christcuck

all "his" concepts are old and yet here's a guy who finds a nitch and figures out a way to profit big of what is free to read in books online or at the local library.


you want some easy to read simple truths about life grab an old volume of Grimes fairy tales (Colum) and an old Aesop Fables version - don't read the politically correct or modified version, and you'll figure it out.

I was indifferent till metokur did his video on him. Then i became more indifferent. Also sage

Intellectuals are always attacked no matter what culture they are in.

Pseudointellectual.

Well these racist fucktards loved him until he pointed out that the alt-right is the other side of the same identity politics hypocrisy

He said something along the lines of "The only people who are proud of their race are pathetic neckbeards"

Pretty cool dude if you ask me

The turning point was him cucking Faith Goldy at the free speech event, albeit most sensible ppl already knew before then that Peterson was far from being /ourguy/.

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He found a niche pandering to a generation of lonely men who long for purpose, after the educational matriarchy raised them to be passive manginas, in contradiction to their emotional needs. Mostly unable to articulate their frustration this resulted in lethargy and non-participation, where as Peterson struck lightning with a simple message of responsibility and becoming the author of one's own fate, rather than just being a grey number stripped from individuality. Or something like that. It was considered an optimistic message that might not be original, but it's like water in a desert for people who felt like they lost control and beyond that got told it's bad to ever want control. Or risk, or success. Saying, the kind of men who were taught as boys that scoring points during soccer game doesn't matter and so on.

Anyhow, I felt a little disappointed with the guy because turns out he's just another guy who's comfortable the way things are, preaching drinking wine preaching water. He mostly just repeats things greater men have said and can't handle the pressure when push comes to shove intellectually and someone criticises him.

On one hand, when his career is at stake, he makes a big stink about free speech and how he doesn't want to be forced to gender people according to their wishes. Which is ok, but then he expects to be called DOCTOR Peterson and prevents the free speech of others, because they committed wrong-think because they violated some arbitrary moral code of his. Meanwhile he himself makes the rounds on youtube, raking in money left in right, using it to create dubious business ventures he claims to be philantropic. But then it ends up being sketchy personality tests for 10$ a pop and some life authorship program where people basically psychoanalyze themselves.

I could go on, what's the point though? He's right about some stuff but it's a catch 22, because if you take it seriously you have to start to think for yourself and leave the guy behind.

Jews is a pretty broad term. Do you mean all the jews?

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I should start by saying that Jordan is actually an evolutionary psychologist. A pretty damn good one. I'm a big fan since before he's found fame and Messianic status with men who mostly fail to understand what he's trying to teach. I think he's an exceptional clinician, a scientist, and yes a genius. We can all learn a great deal from him.

Having said that, I often warn people how he's not the Messiah, but just one man, a flawed man, and that I can easily poke holes in many things he holds to be facts (he made my job easier by being Christian), but I never get round to poking those holes, cos I'm really fond of the guy and interested only in what I can learn form him. I did attempt to teach him some things as well, he showed no interest in that so i gave up. Why waste my time.

I'm really glad someone took the time to try and poke some holes in Jordan's work though, it's a valid task.

I wonder if you agree that Jordan, despite his flaws and shortcomings, has a place in public discourse and can teach us many things, or do you just think he's a total naked emperor? In which case I wonder how well do you know his work, cos the guy is pretty "clothed" but simply as human and flawed as the rest of us, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. I quite like my geniuses flawed, mostly cos what choice do I have, lol, since there are no perfect people, yet.?

Kike shill

Peterson is against people who hide behind a certain group

>t. Has a messy rOOM

SHUT UP AND CLEAN UP YOUR ROOM BUCKO! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SAVE YOUR FATHER FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST IF YOU CANT SLAY THE DRAGON?

He's not christian. He's a larper who gets enjoyment and stability from attending conventions. If you push him he'll say some shit about metatruth and usefulness, but it's ultimately just nonsense. He likes the image maybe and makes christianity out to be something what it isn't for the vast majority of people, the larger part of history.

So he advocates the disolution of the Israeli nation state?

None. And why do you ask. Only shills ask those questions so that other shills can come and shill some more.