I've had many of the symptoms for the past 4 years, and made every attempt to raise my levels. The highest I ever got was 483ng/dl at 24 years old.
I couldnt take the depression anymore and started injecting 2 months ago.
My life has completely changed. On top of the usual things you would expect, I feel like I have a soul again. My imagination and creativity has come back in a way that I had literally forgotten. Its like a part of me I lost years ago has returned. Phenomonal.
Hormone deficiency is the leading cause for depression, and probably shitloads of other stuff
Joseph Ross
Shit nigga, I got on a topical T gel a few months ago. Shit makes you so much more motivated and goal-oriented, it's insane.
Ethan White
how did you get your T up before injecting?
Justin Bailey
I wouldn't take that shit just workout man
Matthew Gutierrez
Damn, my levels are the same as yours. I've also got some test e coming tomorrow. How does it affect reaction time and energy levels?
Charles Gomez
say goodbye to your naturally produced T once you start on this
Jason Russell
I've thought about it but I don't want to enlarge my heart or grow my fucking head 2x, loose my hair at 40 and ruin my natural test production. Also it's not like I'm a soyboy or anything I'm pretty hairy and big Im just too lazy to work out.
He's probably lying, but I don't understand why people would be messing with this crap.
Jason Edwards
Hugely. I can do a whole days work then come home and still cook, not just collapse on the bed.
Reaction time ive mostly noticed in conversation. I feel like im actually part of a conversation rather than having to calculate my responses like an autist. My brain feels alive. Also I take more risks in traffic etc, say things I wouldnt normally say. The benefits are crazy. Have girls openly flirting now too. All ugly so far, but I can only improve from here.
Ryder Wright
You'll never understand until you live with it. It strips you of life. It kills your soul. You take for granted who and what you are, as did I, as do all people. What you are though, is a complex balance of hormones and neurotransmitters. If one of these gets out of whack, it changes you. Try living your whole life just wanting to be in bed, mentally fatigued every day, no hope for advancement, dating, success. Youd be scrambling for anything that offered relief.
Isaac Jackson
Yea steroids don't make your head big, you're thinking of HGH. Heart won't enlarge either unless you're running massive amounts for an extended period of time. If you're not prone to balding, you won't go bald either. Jesus man do some fucking research.
Aiden Perez
Have you ever thought of raising your levels naturally fag?? Go exercise, stop jerking your dick, stop eating processed food and sugary drinks. Eat cooked meat, fish and vegetables. Your T levels would rise no problem, stop injecting yourself with Jewneedles.
Logan Miller
I've read that only masturbating every 7 days, lifting weights (especially the latter) can double your T levels.
Hunter Diaz
NoFap and zma Britbong has the answers
Gabriel Thompson
ITT people who know nothing about steroids. Just T cycles with no proper post cycle treatment and other shit is going to fuck you up. Don't listen to phags here people, taking roids is a matter of months of research. You don't just jump on them and expect everything to go alright and without side effects.
Anthony Campbell
i dont think people who dont already lift care about their t levels though desu
Colton Walker
How do you go about the process of getting this?
Mason Robinson
I take clomiphene. Only a half dose every other night. Was doing every night, but turns out I was way over normal high. Hopefully it provides the boost I need. My pituitary gland is fine, but my nuts just weren't producing enough.
Also, my loads are fucking huge now.
Ethan Green
Working out and drinking raw onion juice along with eating right. You don't need to inject T, Op took the easy route and will need to keep injections going or his T will drop below what it was before.
Christian Stewart
Also this. Can’t wait to see all the gyno and high af estro levels these faggots get
Ian Morales
Dont stay in too long. It has weird estrogenic action and can really fuck with your head over time. It also throws other things like SHBG oit of whack. Not a long term solution.
But yes, if youre lucky, it can reset you in a way and your production will stay elevated after.
I tried it several times and always dropped back down after.
Wyatt Anderson
You know that injecting T can cause the body to increase the production of estrogen and make you more soy?
Hudson Gomez
Im not happy to be on it. Im doing it cause I have no other choice. Btw my estrogen is perfectly in check. I only take enough to replace normal levels. It is medication really. I feel great.
Noah Myers
you serious now or trolling ? how can i get some ?
Christopher Jenkins
No shit. But if your levels are low who the fuck cares about natural production? YOURE NOT PRODUCING ENOUGH SO IT DOESNT MATTER.
Jayden Campbell
I don't want to inject exogenous T as I have little reasons to believe I have primary hypogonadism; what I found out is that my ACTH is a little bit too high and I have symptoms of high cortisol despite the value itself in the 24h looks (((normal))) and the pressure on the moment not anomalous.
I'm looking for ways to lower ACTH and cortisol, but all I found are herbal stuff that while looking promising don't really have many direct studies behind.
Anyone capable of helping? I already lift regularly, don't fap more than once a week and eat good shit thanks to my flag.
Ryan Davis
Literally all you have to do is not masturbate lmaoooo
William Hall
NoFap isn't necessary, just avoid porn and fap once a week.
Tyler Powell
be a fucking man and have a job that requires physical labor, and guess what, you'll be home fucking your girlfriend/wife every night til she trembles after having 5 orgasms cause your T is so high you can't stop thinking about fucking
Camden Murphy
good luck once your T is high you'll be wanting to fuck like a rabid animal
Jeremiah Allen
Stay in your containment board and containment thread. You don't just self-medicate with hormones. Androgen Deficiency is serious, but so is a HPT axis shut down.
Cameron Miller
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet, since the opposite is also true.
Aiden Miller
Did you try Pregnenolone? It's what your body converts cholesterol into. It's the precursor to ALL your hormones (i.e. Testosterone). You NEED to each cholesterol to make your hormones. What diet is pushed onto the masses? Low cholesterol diet. You think the low T epidemic is in any way related? Do you avoid soy, flax seeds, etc. Phytoestrogen is taken into your body as estrogen.... Soy is literally in everything.
Eat Eggs.
Jayden Sanders
Stay in your loo board and loo thread. You don't just self-defecate with poomones. Plumbing Deficiency is serious, but so is a TP axis shut down.
Jeremiah Rivera
try laying off those hoppy beverages Seamus, it's making you a fruit. /frauds/ knows jack-shit about endocrinology and this should not be encouraged in this form.
Nathaniel James
>be a fucking man and have a job that requires physical labor, and guess what, you'll be home fucking your girlfriend/wife every night til she trembles after having 5 orgasms cause your T is so high you can't stop thinking about fucking this is so wrong i don't even know where to start... 1) physical labor wears you the fuck out. you come home tired every night and just want to drink beer and go to sleep. 2) you stink- it's a dirty job. i mean, there are pheromones and everything in sweat and many women find that arousing, but you come home covered with construction shit every day and it's more like "you're going to shower before you get anywhere near those clean sheets" 3) you don't make shit, and you're on a track where you will basically never make shit for your entire life with almost no other options... all other things being equal, women will always prefer the man who makes more money. just like with tall guys. 4) the work is uncertain- you are always someone else's bitch... even if you're an IC, it's always about trying to land that next job. nothing dries women's panties up faster than a whiff (however slight) of financial uncertainty.
if you want the extra t that comes from physical activity, literally just go to the gym like everyone else.
Anthony Mitchell
I haven't injected testosterone, but I did start a job where I lift heavy things all day. I lost a lot of fat. I talk with everybody I meet and enjoy it. I have little anxiety. My meditations are deeper and more meaningful. My mind is clearer. I enjoy meals, music and life a lot more. I have much more stamina for mental tasks as well as physical. My bowel movements are more regular, full and easy. My sleep is better. My dick is hard when I wake up and I could jack off 5 or 6 times a day if I wanted to. I talk to women and flirt with them constantly. My thoughts are less negative. My goals are within my reach and my outlook is optimistic.
There is a negative: years of being a soy boy NEET has drastically reduced my social circle. So I am incredibly lonely. The loneliness before I didn't mind. But now it is getting to the point where to be alone for another night is hell. Just hollowness that won't end. I have no friends other than work friends.
Being a soy boy is hell, I think. You might make fun of those guys, but I can only imagine their suffering. Everybody should work out with heavy weights and eat correctly.
Jose Price
Tuna, avos, and nuts can increase T-production
Evan Powell
>1) physical labor wears you the fuck out. you come home tired every night and just want to drink beer and go to sleep. Not really. After a while your body adjusts and you can still be active afterwards. Lots of guys from my work workout together, to work different muscles.
>2) you stink- it's a dirty job. i mean, there are pheromones and everything in sweat and many women find that arousing, but you come home covered with construction shit every day and it's more like "you're going to shower before you get anywhere near those clean sheets"
It takes five minutes to shower.
>3) you don't make shit, and you're on a track where you will basically never make shit for your entire life with almost no other options... all other things being equal, women will always prefer the man who makes more money. just like with tall guys.
You make pretty good money, and nobody said "do it forever".
>4) the work is uncertain- you are always someone else's bitch... even if you're an IC, it's always about trying to land that next job. nothing dries women's panties up faster than a whiff (however slight) of financial uncertainty.
Name one job where you're not someone else's bitch?
You sound very negative, like this is a personal issue of some kind. Perhaps you quit a tough job and are trying to justify that to yourself?
Nathan Bell
>Not really. After a while your body adjusts and you can still be active afterwards. Lots of guys from my work workout together, to work different muscles. good for you. most of the blue collar guys i know have bodies like homer simpson.
>It takes five minutes to shower. i did pothole patching for a few months once - came home stinking of sulfur every day... that shit just would not come off.
>You make pretty good money, and nobody said "do it forever". 60k isn't good money (inb4 someone working 80 hr weeks in a godforsaken oil town shows up bragging about his $150k)... any job that doesn't have a reasonable chance of paying you 6-figures by your mid-thirties is not a job worth having.
>Name one job where you're not someone else's bitch? got me there. that being said, it's like 6 degrees here today. i'm glad i get to go sit in a nice warm office tomorrow instead of having to be out in the bitter cold fitting pipe or some shit.
>Perhaps you quit a tough job and are trying to justify that to yourself? i worked for a road construction company once... have an office job now, would not go back.
don't get me wrong, more power to you if you can do it, but it's not great to base your life decisions off Mike-Rowe-tier ideas about the manliness of hard work.
David Carter
India wins even if the have poo streets. He's right Seamus
Robert Martin
>Any other soyboys injecting T? >I've had many of the symptoms for the past 4 years, and made every attempt to raise my levels. The highest I ever got was 483ng/dl at 24 years old. >I couldnt take the depression anymore and started injecting 2 months ago. >My life has completely changed. On top of the usual things you would expect, I feel like I have a soul again. My imagination and creativity has come back in a way that I had literally forgotten. Its like a part of me I lost years ago has returned. Phenomonal. Never reproduce, your genes are weak and defective and you will therefore curse your offspring with them.
That said, injecting T will just make the problem worse on the long run as your body completly stops producing testosterone. Try eating a healthy diet, exercising and having sex instead, those will raise your natural testosterone levels withoun't fucking your metabolism.
Matthew Baker
been injecting 100mg weekly on prescription for the past year and a half.
Feels fucking unbelievable. So happy I did it.
My levels were 313 ng/dL at age 23. While that's just on the border, I also complained of ED to the doctor and that tipped them over.
Jack Cox
Sorry mate, not for libtards. If you take T anyway, you will vote republican and support Trump, Just you know that.
Benjamin Walker
Can you have children now that you're on HRT?
Anthony Hughes
half the niggers ITT are saying don't jerk for 7 days and then saying you'll be fucking every night... HOW DOES FUCKING TO ORGASM NOT EQUAL JERKING TO ORGASM JESUS FUCK YOU AUTIST SPERGS NEED TO FUCK OFF.
Nolan Parker
OP, I tried injections for a year, now 2 months off and this is my bloodwork. A few Qs
>why Enanthate instead of Cypionate > what's your protocol >what was your bodyfat % starting >how's your estradiol, do you need an AI (anastrozole)
My T was 290 before I started, kept in the 900-1000 range on cypionate. Felt a lot better but lost hair and got acne (fucking genetics). Also needed an AI.
As you can see now my T levels suck (231) but hopefully will climb back up. I might go back on T in 3-4 months, but would like to see if my hair comes back and I'd make sure I'm under 10% bodyfat before starting next time, was around 20% the first time and fat is a major factor in having elevated estradiol.
Tyler Carter
It's just that you tend to get randy after a number of days without sexual release. That's really all it is unless you have some kind of deeper issue.
Nicholas Sanders
Maybe you should consider injecting estrogen.
Angel Kelly
Have you tried algae? Like spirulina? It works for many people and it's good for many other things so at worst you'll get benefits you weren't looking for.
Logan Turner
>>Not really. After a while your body adjusts and you can still be active afterwards. Lots of guys from my work workout together, to work different muscles. >good for you. most of the blue collar guys i know have bodies like homer simpson.
Echoing this. I did construction for 6 months to make ends meet and also to get a perspective of the outside world after getting depressed working in an office. It was 50/50 young 20s guys, mid to late 40s guys who had been there 20+ years. All the old guys had potbellies, terrible posture and back problems out the wazoo, covered their balding heads with hats and were on the verge of skin cancer. They were strong as fuck but were all alcoholics for one reason of escape or another. The worst part of the job though was starting work in the dark and ending work in the dark.
Office and physical jobs are both difficult for mental health but I have a new perspective on the shit the blue collar guys have to deal with for a lifetime. Bottom line is working sucks ass in general, it's all about what you can manage to enjoy outside of work and if you can't find that or make it happen, you need to change your circumstances.
Evan Jones
Both HMB and ZMA make me feel that way, random boners and crazy dreams like i'm 16 again. Not sure that they're raising T though
Luis Cruz
I found ZMA to have a minor effect in that regard when I first tried it. If it makes that big a difference you probably have a nutritional deficiency.
Wyatt Miller
So much truth in this post. Specially the waking up in the dark to go to work and finish it in the dark when you go back home. All my coworkers drank alcohol during the day, it's very hard work to bear for so many years.
I'm glad I managed to leave.
Adam Myers
highly likely, I was living on bread and peanut butter for a couple of months
Blake Lopez
obviously when you ejaculate inside a woman she steals your mana, the indians know this
Logan Phillips
Eating right is underrated. It's subtle and troublesome at first, but ask anybody who has made way of life dietary changes and they'll tell you how much better they feel overall through the long haul. It's easily what's wrong half the time when I was manning up /fit/.
Cameron Rivera
>cycles >months of research
An hero
Jaxson Garcia
It is true that hormone deficiencies will cause depression. Thats why trannies cant just nuke their T they have to also start estrogen. You need A sex hormone in order to not be depressed. Sorta makes me wonder what kind of life castrated/neutered/fixed pets and livestock have.
Is there any documented cases of eunuchs being lethargic and depressed?
Evan Jackson
Because its how you fix a hormone deficiency? its basically the same thing trannies do but you give yourself the right hormones. This is a legitimate medical practice, women have been giving each other replacement estrogen for years now. Its harder for a male to get his hormones fixed. I wonder (((why))) that is.
Adam Moore
Anybody have any info or experience with sarms?
Brayden Morales
>How does fast food not equal steak?
There are entire chemical cascades that go on with sex that simply don't happen with spankin it. There are a multitude of things to consider such as neurotransmitter pheromones and fluid swapping. Minutiae that isn't fully researched - at all.
Sex is way better than masturbating and it isn't just all in your head. Its healthier for you.
No friend - you fuck off.
Isaiah Torres
Also, NUTuSfxC
lol
Andrew Cook
What are you doing for PCT?
Please get on some letrozole - immediately.
Jordan Myers
Its a new term for me, but it says, assuming I read it correctly, that it can work like the opposite of antiandrogens. Antiandrogens are the things trannies take to make testosterone useless. This sounds like a good thing, but from the wording on the wiki, sarm is more of an umbrella term for different formulations that do different things. If you are going to self-experiment with this shit youre going to want to get the right formulation.
Ryder Watson
Also, your hair is not going to come back. DHT shuts off those follicles for good. Shoulda been using finsteride if you were that concerned about it.
Thomas White
how much does it cost?
Samuel Sanders
You don't know what you are talking about
Cooper Jackson
>900-1000 range on cypionate. Felt a lot better but lost hair yea, testosterone does that. Especially when you inject yourself way above the normal levels.
Asher Lee
you know nothing about T
Robert Miller
heh You need drugs to feel what I feel with just food, sleep and exercise? >24 years old What the fuck do they stuff food with today? Vitamin Pussy?
Wyatt Stewart
I miss being 24. Make the most use of it that you can because it really does start to get harder and harder before too much longer.
Also wife up and make babies already if that's the future you want.
Ian Murphy
How to raise your test naturally, and honestly you retards just won't believe how crazy this is >Sleep well and consistently >Eat a good balanced diet with tons of healthy fats and protein >Drinks lots of water >Stay stress free >Keep your body temperature regulated (Testes need to be cool to produce sperm) >Exercise and lift >Get sunlight >Stop watching porn >Have sex and/or masturbate in moderation (Too little or too much leads to problems and sexual dysfunction) It's almost like the modern Amerifat is incredibly unhealthy or something, but that isn't true and surely isn't the cause of your low test levels. You need to eat more Onions instead.
Logan Baker
>Also wife up and make babies already if that's the future you want. Thanks for reminding me to get off of fucking Sup Forums. I was supposed to be off this shit and I'm already back up to hundreds of open tabs. just fuck my life up senpai
Ayden Scott
>durrtRRR STOP MAHSTURBATING YOU GET STRONGEERRR Little advice: Never accept any information from a Memeflag. They reject science for duh jesusss
Wyatt Powell
is there a supplement you can take that doesn't just pump you full of T but just makes it produce faster?
Justin Kelly
Funny enough. At 24 I was more anxious, less confident and physically and mentally weak. As i aged, I learned what worked for me. Made a regiment out of it and have felt better as an old ass fag than I did as a young stupid fag. I assume my t levels were shit like the OP. Except I never took roids. Just made a regiment of what works for me. And I guess by accumulation, all the positive effects caught up.
Nathaniel Baker
Yeah I've been reading about them a bit, but there doesn't seem to be to much info from sources that I trust. Just thought there might be more people with personal experience. I tried /fit/ but they are a bit nutty.
I've been reading about rad 140. It seems to provide the benefits of testosterone without the negative side effects. Can anyone with more knowledge on this kinda stuff give their opinion. It's legal in the uk
Isaac Lewis
take saw palmetto and pygeum. it's gonna block estrogens and push your testosterone further. saw palmetto is cheap as fuck and don't buy the already mixed ones
John White
Yeah I was a pretty huge mess at 24 as well. Too bad it took me until my early 30s to get my shit sorted out. What a waste :'(
William Harris
Yeah. Finally makes sense the saying that ‘youth is wasted on the young.’
William Powell
idk. for now I think Im just going to skip the medications and just fake it until I get my T tested. If its low then Ill probably just get on the T and correct the problem there.
>legal for now. Once they realize it can man a guy a man again then it will be more illegal then heroin.
Landon Sanchez
Try raw orchid glandular supplements. It's freeze dried bull balls. Been a staple of old school bodybuilders for years like Vince Gironde.
Go ahead and laugh. Take a few each morning and you won't be laughing. You'll be flexing and hunting the ladies.
That paired with a super high meat diet and you're good to go, bros.
Gabriel Peterson
You're wrong my friend. My ED started when I was working lots of manual labor.
Xavier Evans
Been giving clomid a try as well. Libido is still dead and all of my other symptoms are still present. Gonna make the transition to injections in February.
Alexander Myers
READ THIS BEFORE DOING TEST
Just be careful T can be great but it's really stupid if you do not do research and do it properly
Make sure you're on an anti estrogen during your cycle as well, or else you will get man titties, and especially when you stop your cycle your T will plummet and your E will skyrocket. Putting you into soygoy mode 2.0
Also you need to take drugs that stimulate your sperm production, bc your testies turn off during a cycle and you'll lose the power to pregnate a women. This can be permanent if you are not careful. I wouldn't be surprised if JIDF would push test injections on pol just to get a bunch of morons to neuter themselves.
Do not rely on oral test such as Dbol. This will just make you swell up, get fat, and you will lose all gains when you come off it. Also harsh liver damage. If you're scared of needles just suck it up, or don't do roids. By your third shot, the T will have boosted your courage and confidence enough that you'll no longer fear needles.
Lastly get your ass to the gym bc you can probably get all of the benifits of test injections with zero the risk, if you just get your ass in shape.