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Catholics of Sup Forums What are these guys all about? I was researching about Arch Bishop Oscar Romero who was assassinated in El Salvador and came across the fact that he was associated with this order.

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Last true Christians order who oppose the gloablist Jesuit multi cultural one world order

They're the Sup Forums of the Catholic Church. They're missionaries who spread both the word of Jesus Christ and a traditional way of life. Their name literally means "the work of God". The reason Archbishop Romero was assassinated was because he was trying to end the degeneracy.

I thought it had something do with him be an agitator of the government by speaking out against poverty, torture, and what not. I read that they supported pinochet and franco.

Correct also they haven't been totally opposed to Hitler. Escrivá said that Hitler had been treated too badly and questioned the 6 million Holocaust narrative. Also the Polish pope has declared him a Saint if I'm not mistaken

Stop spreading stupid shit. Opus Dei is an order not only for the clergy but for the laity as well. Their goal is to sanctify everday life through dedicating everything to God and take time for Him as often as you can. Their slogan is "Find God in everday life" (freely translated from German).
They have some "requirements" for people to do, some of which are daily and some weekly:
--Wake up and say "Serviam!" (I will serve) - daily
-- pray the Preces in Latin - daily
-- pray a Rosary - daily
-- go to mass and receive the Eucharist - daily
-- half an hour contemplative prayer in the morning and in the evening - daily
-- 5 minutes reading in the NT - daily
-- 10 minutes spiritual reading (i.e. things like the Catechism or books of Cardinals etc.) - daily
-- pray the Angelus around noon - daily
-- daily visit of the Tabernacle (+ some prayers)
-- daily soul-searching
-- generally constant prayer
-- go to Confession at least once a week
-- pray the Marian Antiphone on Saturdays (weekly)
And then you have some more things but they're small. As you see, Opus Dei is concerned with making every day a sacrifice to God. They're not some shady organization like you know from movies or conspiracy sites and books.

God bless you !

I'm surprised they're not discussed more often in the various Christian threads on this board. Seem right up a lot of pol's alley.

What about all that da vinci code shit?

See my post above

And what shit did I spread that was stupid? I don't even think I inferred that Romero was assassinated because of his association. I was genuinely interested in the order.

Are you a member of Opus Dei?

Yea I gathered it was some BS to make the book more exciting.

You should be more concerned about Most holy Family monastery in Filmore upstate New York

Oh and before the question comes: Yes, members of Opus Dei practice mortification of the flesh via wearing a Cilicium (the belt type thing) for 2 hours daily and self-flaggelation once a week. But this is far from the blood-thirsty rites you see in movies. The Cilicium is "tight" but you don't rip it through your flesh or some shit. And the self-flaggelation is supervised, so that you do not substantially hurt yourself. It's a legit way to atone for your sins.

I'll stick with sedevacantism you heretic

Sorry there, I just figured from "coming across when researching the assassination" that you connected Opus Dei to this. I apologize - this topic gets me heated, because - as with the Pope - media and popular entertainment loves to wrongly depict them and paint them into some kind of evil Catholic mafia. They are great role models for every Christian nontheless, especially the laity - as they do what every good Christian should be doing actually. (maybe minus the physical mortification of the flesh :^)
So, no I'm not a member of Opus Dei, but I know some. And if you're interested in learning about Opus Dei, you might want to start out on their website opusdei.ca/en-ca/ and/or contact a member via their website our if you have a local branch, there.

Religions are meant to bind and this sect is no different than any other.
Catholicism is Dagon worship

Ask yourself this one thing: If you would really be right with your mental gymnastics, what would be the consequences ?
The consequences of that would be that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church, that the Holy Spirit would've forsaken the Church and, thus, you render Christ a liar. You render him exactly what the jews accuse Him to be. A lunatic. A crazy fag that just so happened to have great seduction skills to persuade people into following Him.

Think about that very clearly. Read the Catechism. Read the Bible. You can't get around here. Sedes are LARPers - even worse: they're protestants. They're worse protestants than orthos and actual protestants, because they do it for sole egotism.

Their website needs some work. I see one crazy brother Nathanial type character at the helm.

I may very well do that in time, but for now I'll just be a normal catholic. I doubt that their is much of a presence where I live, as its a very small city sort of removed from any major area. However we do have one of the oldest cathedrals in the country.

>opusdei.ca/en-ca
Samefag leaf Catholic shill LARPing as kraut slips up and links to leaf Opus Dei website instead of general global website opusdei.org or kraut website opusdei.de

All Catholics are liars. All Catholics will burn in hell for eternity

Just one thing: If you want to learn about Catholicism and the orders, the sedevacantists should be avoided at all costs. Especially the American types are more or less Evangelicals in disguise.

And you brainlet didn't get the idea that I went on the language selection from "German" to "English-Canada" in order to make it more accessible for OP ?
Stop acting like a shitty newfag from rebbid.

Noted, thanks.

>The consequences of that would be that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church, that the Holy Spirit would've forsaken the Church and, thus, you render Christ a liar.
The Holy Spirit has not forsaken the true Church of Jesus Christ, the Orthodox Church, which still holds to the exact same faith and worship as the first Apostles. The Holy Spirit has never been with the false and satanic Roman Catholic Church.

I am praying for your conversion user

Truest, most fundamental practice of Catholicism. Right down to self-harm and speaking in tongues in communion with the Holy Spirit.

What is their deal anyway? What are they suggesting that seems heretical to you?

Definitely not because it turns into a cult of personality. Such Steven Anderson, which they exposed. It would lose legitimacy the moment they did that.

I doubt 'Brother' Nathaniel has won anyone over to the Russian based schismatic sect. Far too concerned with world events than salvation, which is the only thing that matters in the end. They would have done an expose by now on him, but there are barely any videos where he even talks about eastern orthodoxy at length

The Problem with sedevacantists is this: They are unironically #NotMyPope-types. And they're not even consistent with this. Some say the Papacy was corrupted with Benedict XV., some say it was was fine until the Second Vatian Council, some say earlier, who knows what they're about.
But everyone of them agrees with that the Second Vatican Council instated heresies, because of which the Church is not the Church anymore. So here you have the problem. Christ promised us that especially this will not happen, as the Holy Spirit will protect Dogma. That is: No matter what any Pope might've done, whatever any clergyman did - the Dogma is incorruptible and it will stay so until the end. If you accuse V2 and therefore Pope John XXIII., you basically render Christ a liar, as stated in .
Same goes for the the Eastern "orthodox" accusations. As much history revisionism is done, as much slander is thrown - they __cannot__ dodge the fact that if any of the "heresy"-accusations is true, then there is no need to Christian anymore, because Christ was really just a retard. Which he obviously wasn't, but you get the point.

Also for you. "Faith of the Apostles". You bet the Apostles were against fornication in form of several divorces and re-marriages. You bet they were against contraception, no matter what. You bet that "abortion" wouldn't have been "a situational thing". And you fucking bet that they did not let themselves be abuse as political tools - and welcoming this role - as your ethnic clubs do today. Spare me out on that.
And spare me out on retardation like
>All Catholics are liars. All Catholics will burn in hell for eternity
You're just making a fool of yourself.

Steven Anderson seems like a real asshole. I can't see how any but the most ignorant could fall prey to his sermons

OK I think I'm beginning to understand. I don't quite understand the crux of the matter however. If the Dogma is incorruptible, how is accusing a current or past pope of heresy rendering Christ a liar?

My understanding of scripture is pretty limited but I don't remember it saying that.

The Gospel of Matthew (the first of the four Gospel books), chapter 16, verses 13-20, provides you with what I'm referring to. (I'm not copying it here, but have the link biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 16:13-20&version=NRSVCE ).
Peter and his successors are the source of unity of the whole visible Church. That includes Dogma, because the Dogma IS what unifies all churches, from the West to the East. Now, if you say that heresy has been instated or that a Pope corrupted it in any other form, you're saying that Christ was a liar.

>Christ promised us that especially this will not happen, as the Holy Spirit will protect Dogma
Where is this in Scripture?

Where is the Peter or Pontiff "line of succession" codified in Scripture? If Peter could "bind" and "loose" - where do other "Popes" get that as unique authority, as opposed to all other believers or perhaps other apostles? Again, where in Scripture is the pontiff line of succession codified?

Orthodox catholics composed by nonclerical people, that's it. Most of catholic politicians in Brazil belong to them, including Alckim, likely our next pres.

Some say they are the nonclerical branch of jesuits, but they very much anti-socialist and pro-family values. So I am not sure.

What I am sure is that they work as a secret society inside the Church.

That clarifies that. I must have forgotten...

So basically if Pope Francis says something it is ordained by God, and if you never agreed with the political ramifications of his words you would be disagreeing with Jesus?
Does disagreement equal a charge of heresy?

Secret Society? They seem to be fairly forthright in their mission. I think The DaVinci code gave them some bad press. What evidence suggests nefarious activity?

Secret in the sense that powerful members promote other members to privileged positions in the civil society, so they can spread their influence and create a network inside companies and governments. Nothing different than masons or evangelicals don't do it either.

Looking out for people that share the same beliefs as you. Nepotism. Pretty standard for any community.

>You're just making a fool of yourself.
Look in a mirror and say this. It will help you grow in humility.

>You bet the Apostles were against fornication in form of several divorces and re-marriages.
Jesus allowed divorce in the case of adultery (Mt.19:9). He was against the frivolous divorce of the Jews and the Catholic annulment divorce loophole. Moreover, this teaching is meant only for those to whom it is given by the Father, not everyone (Mt. 19:10-11).

>You bet they were against contraception, no matter what.
They were especially against the Catholic NFP contraception loophole.

>You bet that "abortion" wouldn't have been "a situational thing".
This is not an Orthodox thing. I don't know where you are getting your information.

>And you fucking bet that they did not let themselves be abuse as political tools - and welcoming this role - as your ethnic clubs do today.
That old Papist canard. Let's not forget the Vatican and Jesuits supported the Bolshevik revolution in Russia because they thought it would help them spread Catholicism there.

>Peter and his successors are the source of unity of the whole visible Church. That includes Dogma, because the Dogma IS what unifies all churches, from the West to the East. Now, if you say that heresy has been instated or that a Pope corrupted it in any other form, you're saying that Christ was a liar.
Jesus is the source of unity. The Catholic Church has corrupted the dogma of the Church, but no, that doesn't make Christ a liar because the teachings of the Orthodox Church are incorrupt.

Exactly.

Would we do the same if we could identify ourselves in real life?

The founder of opus dei hated communism and loved hitler

Da Vinci code is ((((Hollywood))) lies against opus dei

No nefarious activitys their lifestyle is too extreme for the average person.

This is very strange, no, it's crazy, two minutes ago I thought about creating a thread exactly like this.

Evil order and architects of Vatican II. The founder allowed communists into the order at the time that it was excommunicable. They are pseudo-traditionalsits with a luxury car hood ornament as their symbol.

They run almost all alt-Catholic media in the US as exposed by Randy Engel:
akacatholic.com/opus-dei-watch/

They are heretics as exposed from Canon Lawyer Fr. Gregory Hesse:
youtube.com/watch?v=hUa0gPboR7M

Anglo-Americans never hated Hitler, they loved the guy because he destroyed Germany and gave the West an excuse to even further destroy Germany. Look at all the classical stuff the Nazis tore down to erect gay art deco shit. That is their cultural program. You Hitler lovers are Zionist playthings... Hell Israel was founded with the help of fascist Jabotinsky.

Yes but it has secrecy systems and buy-out systems that no other order has. You are a pawn in the lowest echelons of a scientology-like scam. There are many other orders which ask you to do more for Christ rather than for the order.

No Davinci code is a silly comedy of errors where one gnostic sect kills members of another gnostic sect over false obscure beliefs. True Catholics join SSPX or FSSP-related orders... Opus Dei are the architects of Vatican II and the Spirit of Vatican II.

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Catholics are not allowed to use NFP as a loophole. The dogma STANDS whether or not the clergy are competent in teaching it correctly.

Divorce, annulment and separation are different things. Orthodox lack distinctions because they wish to exterminate reason for the "mystical."

No Papal infallibility only applies to dogmatic pronouncements and previous Popes have superior infallibility because that is the only logical conclusion. Christ is a human, Christ is a person, Christ is God, God is a person, both have semi-arbitrary wills as any king has a semi-arbitrary will. Popes are permitted arbitrary declarations if it helps save souls because they are kings like God/Christ.

They have very strong work ethics which is pretty much the only thing a society needs.

gay and unrelated to the preserving the Catholic faith instead of a system of processional idols that conceal the destroyer of faith.

Taken from /christian/:
>he thinks Eastern Orthodoxy is some bastion of tradition and conservatism

oh boy do i have some bad news for you

I'm a Slav from Eastern Europe and I can tell you I am glad not to be part of that mess of churches. They have more schisms between themselves than I can bother to keep up with and their collective approach to social morality is on par with the most modernist Catholic priest (they allow divorce up to 3x, they allow for contraception, there were periods in history where they allowed for abortions, etc).

>infallibility of the Pope

Well as I mentioned, the lack of the presence of the Vicar of Christ among the Orthodox churches resulted in what we see today. Numerous bishops and patriarchs in a struggle over power, yearly schisms between different churches, multiple bishops/patriarchs claiming the same titles, etc. It's a mess and they are like headless chickens running around because they do not submit to the successor of Saint Pope Peter.

Here's a brief and recent insight: "CHURCH OF ANTIOCH BREAKS OFF EUCHARISTIC COMMUNION WITH PATRIARCHATE OF JERUSALEM" (orthochristian.com/70416.html)

This is a normal occurrence over there.

>Novus Ordo and Vatican II

The NO is a valid Sacrifice of the Mass and V2 is a valid council. Both are traditional in nature and you'll have trouble finding anything that strays from beliefs always held by the Church, but the problem lies with the implementation of V2 and NO in various countries. You see, when these changes in the Church occurred (1960s and 1970s), the Church was struggling. Here in the east, the seminaries were being infiltrated by communists. In the west, the seminaries were being infiltrated by homosexuals and communists. These men became priests during these implementations and the main problems with liturgical abuse and heterodoxy lies with them.

Thankfully, that generation of priests is mostly gone and most young priests are very orthodox.

>Auto
NO is illicit although not usually invalid. Vatican II may be valid but it is illicit because it violates the orders of St. Pius X to read documents are they are written and not construe them to fit them into anything as well as it violates the commands of Pius V to keep the Latin Mass in Latin.

The Orthodox are one of the Churches behind the emergent NWO Babylon religion. The orthodox are mysterious enough to coalesce with Eastern Religions. If you look how the world stage is set up, BRICS will form the Eastern NATO, the EU will be one entity and then the only independent countries left will be America and its controllers in the UK. Africa will be a watering hole for each of these blocs and all international policy will revolve around making Africa and the Middle East a free-zone. During these times, real Catholicism will go underground while Pseudo-Trads try to make peace with "conservative Christian groups like the Orthodox" only to undermine their own positions.

Remember that the Orthodox Churches always accepted communism and that all other Christian religions were persecuted while the Orthodox Churches remained. In the USSR, the Orthodox Church was used to promote KGB activities.

What do you think of the Syriac Maronite Church? We are in full communion with the Church, and we follow all its teachings, but we have Syriac rites instead of Latin rites.

Any religion that would advocate minor torture for so-called salvation should give you a clue to it's validity.

You are permitted to do that because you are a particular Church. The Roman Church must have the rite in Latin by arbitrary law. Whether or not someone disagrees, it is canon law. One of the rules of the Council of Constantinople, I believe, is that you must stay within the rite in which you were baptized. These rules are designed to keep the various particular churches alive. But this was severely violated by creating vernacular mass especially when combined with Pope Pius V condemnation of changing the Latin mass.

Yes they must really care about weeding out satanists and subverters of Christendom. Seems more like the society Christ would recognize than Woodstock Christianity today.

Also methinks you don't know how to use language since your qualifying factor has nothing to do with whether something is valid or invalid.

>Pope Pius V condemnation of changing the Latin mass.
Well, there's nothing I can do then honestly. Syriac was also one of the languages Christ spoke in, I think.

>christ
never existed
advocates physical abuse to atone for 'sins'
were reaching single digit brain cell territory

My friend, I think you misunderstand me. Pope Pius V's condemnation was only for changing the Latin mass within the Latin Church. Syriac Church is a particular Church and can speak in Syriac.

The point of maintaining language is to ensure that no meaning is lost. Modern languages like English and German are atrocious languages for conveying strict meaning. Syriac and Latin are ancient languages that do not change. Therefore, they are both qualified to be used for Mass and theology.

False. Do your own research.
youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8fFw-oV3w

The ancient texts of the Bible have more primary texts available than most Greco-roman historians. So if you say that Christ never existed then you pretty much can not trust any history before the printing press. Even still, shitty documentaries by Johnny-come lately Zeitgeisters about how Christ never existed are worse than morons who deny he did nothing miraculous. It is all just edgey, risky-thesis riding that was instilled in you by public school teachers.

Ah I see. Thanks user. Do you think the Syriac Church is heretical? As I stated before it is in full communion with the Church, and follows and implements its teachings. The only reason I might think of it as heretical, is because it is different than Roman Catholicism through that one point. Do you think it is as legitimate as RC?

No church in full communion with the Catholic Church is heretical. It may be an insulation from heresy to stay away from the Roman Catholic Church and go to a particular church because the Roman Catholic church is so infested with Freemasons, modernists and Jews.

Very well. Thanks again burgeranon.

Yep anytime friend.

Did you notice the OP and cohorts have abandoned the thread after I posted material exposing Opus Dei?

based Pope Pius

and yes I did.

I'm still here, just reading your posts. I have no affliation to opus dei. I was curious.

Yup

Just curious, are you a sedevacantist?

What are some of the other orders in your opinion that seem to have it right?

That image gets me every time.

I heard David Icke conflating the Opus Dei and the Jesuits under the Free Masonry command. I mean, among all revisionist/conspiracy theorist/anti globalist people that I've been researching he seems a little bit of a coocoo but what's the truth there? Is the Opus Dei just another sleeping cell of the free masons?

Did this really happen?

youtube.com/watch?v=SDjxHiOM5rs

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Thank you!

stahp

Thank you, dude

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Eh, man, no problem. Glad I helped.

fucking kek, how come krauts are so hopelessly gullible?

>They're the Sup Forums of the Catholic Church.
No, real Catholic Sup Forums is Tradition, Family and Property

>hyphenating American

Fucking spic, you have to go back

Some of my friends went there when were litle kids.

They told me at the beggining and end they prayed a little bit, and then in between they mostly did programming, robotics, general science, then play some sport, then eat and thats it.

Its some kind of organization for Catholics and its mostly high iq people there.

These and everything they say are false. They are a cult, operating within the Church. I have dealings with people who have been harmed by them. Heavy sherpherding, isolation, that sort of thing. I recently rescued a young girl from a marrying a nutcase who has been brainwashed by the cult and is a violent, narcissistic little faggot turned into a zombie. It's fucking crazy.
Read this.
archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/opus_dei.htm