Why is Japan so obsessed with the idea of talent vs hard work?

Why is Japan so obsessed with the idea of talent vs hard work?

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Because hard-working faggots are entitled mediocre whiny bastards so it's fun to bully them

cause their school system is a bitch and a half to get through

You realize how fabulously contradictory this post is correct?

They're allowed to say genetics affect intelligence

Because natural talent > hard work in 2d and Irl user.
No matter how hard you try, an average person would never beat someone gifted.

>never
It's like you didn't watch Ping Pong at all

If you have to work hard you aren't talented.

Everyone in the anime industry have failed in life regardless of how much effort have they put into it.

It isn't.
Hard-working fags never obtain results while the gift-from-heaven talented fag does, and still they have the nerve to rage at the heavens when they're left behind.
>"We got killed by the bad dude but it's ok because you're a hard worker who did his best effort".


Pretty much.

Hardworking and talented>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hard working and average skill cap>Talented but lazy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Average skill cap and lazy

Because plebs need to feel better about being mediocre.

"Hardworker" succeeds: "Ha, see? Talent isn't everything!"
"Hardworker" fails: "See? It's all hopeless without talent."

The irony is that many talented characters work hard while the 'underdogs' get by through short cuts, cheats, or some hidden talent that's arguably superior to the genius's.

Cheating is the gift man gives himself

Because working hard is for normies.

Yukkuri shiteitte ne.

some user posted this the other day
>A practical observation on the risks of stupidity was made by the German General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord in Truppenführung, 1933: "I divide my officers into four classes; the clever, the lazy, the industrious, and the stupid. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the highest staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy however is for the very highest command; he has the temperament and nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!"

Sometimes they get it right like in Air Gear.
>"MC is a genius, I can't compete"
>MC was trainingon his own
>He was training at least as much as the whiny secondary character

I REALLY value the opinions of a fucking Nazi war criminal. Thank you man. This changed my entire outlook on hardwork and talent.

>But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!"

wtf is that supposed to mean?

It's simply human nature

Probably that they try and fuck things up.

>let's gimp our military forces
>gets invaded, country divided into two, have our cities bombed and our women mass raped and yet to this day have foreign armies occupy your country

wew lad

i know, but did he mean to kill them or just put them elsewhere?

This is true. I know the smart kids in my HS who are doing jack shit now.

T. Hardworking and average.

>implying whoever you country up with haven't committed war crimes throughout history
All monsters are human, user.

Because Japs thing they're racially superior to everybody else in Asia, that's why they keep going with the >talented meme.

More importantly, how much of a newcunt faggot do you need to be in order to post a .png file of almost 3.5 MB?

It's cuz they were coddled and constantly reminded that they were really smart and talented. That bred complacency. Well at least that's the current theory for all the alleged smart people that couldn't handle college.

To be fair, nazis were very efficient at being war criminals back then. Nowadays you can only expect them to post memefrogs on twitter.

If you gotta win, you gotta win. It's just not reliable. Like lying, it can screw you in the long run.

Showing your complete and utter ignorance, guy opposed Hitler.

it's called foreshadowing

Japan hasn't committed war crimes tho.

Yes he sure opposed Hitler. Probably hates him too huh. Did he follow orders as a German soldier? If so then he fully supported Hitler.

among individuals

Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (26 September 1878 – 24 April 1943) was a German general who served for a period as Commander-in-Chief of the Reichswehr. He is famous for being an ardent opponent of Hitler and the Nazi regime.
>He was recalled to military service as the commander of Army Group A on 10 September 1939 but retired again on 21 September 1939.
>During World War II, Hammerstein-Equord was involved in several plots to overthrow Hitler. He tried repeatedly to lure Hitler into visiting a fortified base under his command along the Siegfried Line of the Western Front.

Hmm, really makes you think

:)

Wow nice Wikipedia edit. Fake news. What next?

Are you claiming these genetic trends aren't predictable based on family history?

It seems to be way more prevelant in LN adaptationms than just in anime overall. Which makes sense, bc if you're an LN author there's a very high chance you have zero talent but are busting your ass off to make as many volumes of garbage as you possibly can in the shortest time you can.

Sounds like you are a butt mad poor fag.
Successful people know the most important thing is hard work.

short people can have tall children

>The man who is clever and lazy however is for the very highest command; he has the temperament and nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!"
I get why the stupid and industrious is a shit but why is the clever and lazy top tier?

Lazy smart people will actively seek out easier ways to do things. They will find creative ways to get the job done quicker.

Sure, but it's less likely than tall parents having tall children. That's why they're called trends

>It's like you didn't watch Ping Pong at all
It looks like you didn't, either.

Explain for someone who didn't watch this.

He literally beat the talented character. Hard work beats lazy talent

and then talent works slightly hard for a lot less time and blows everyone the fuck out

They seemed to be more obsessed with the idea of aristocracy being cool. At least in the sci-fi.

This graph is interesting. Do you have source?

But the talented lazy character whips back once they start putting an effort into it.

Still not never, which is what I said

Talent + Hardwork > Hardwork > Talent that is not honed through Hardwork

Pretty basic desu

Obviously, because the moral of ping pong is that hard work and talent combined best all

Tl;dr git gud

So your point is that talent beats all.

The characters who work hard get wrecked by the ones with talent (the protagonist and his best friend). When pic related asks why he can never win despite going out of his way to train for his games the MC literally responds with
>because you have no talent

The MC's doofy best friend spends half the series screwing around and still manages to make it to the final round of their high school tournament because of his talent.

The MC only loses when he doubts himself or does it on purpose for his best friend.

It's another representation of this.

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Not just because of his talent, because he buckles down and fucking works his ass off. Why are so many people underselling the work he puts in?

Wow, rich people grossly overinflate how much hard work they actually put in, thanks for sharing this information.

Because without the talent it would be useless no matter what he did. So it's really the talent that makes it.

>baseless opinion

Thanks berniebro, what else you got for me?

>Rich
>Hard work
Of course they'd think this.

You can say the same for the hard work. Both are necessary, neither is sufficient

Yeah, but one is a choice and one isn't.
Without talent you will always be nothing because the talented guy could just do what you do if he wanted and blow you out of the water forever.

did you reposted but with different pic?

There's nothing impressive in being born with something, it's like being proud of the color of your hair. Our choices are what define us

This thread is kinda funny for having some quote from a nazi general from the last century about lazi and smart and hardworking and stupid people and whatever and having richfags from reddit claim that they work really hard and are smart, but what does it really have to do with anime?

Who cares if it's impressive or not, no matter how you spin it sure is more useful though. And the world doesn't judge based on how much work you put in, but rather how much you put out.

Who cares how the world judges you? It's just a bunch of people like everyone else on here. Do you care what I think of you?

>There's nothing impressive in being born with something

tell that to all the stormweenies on this site

It won't be hard to convince them, they already have to come to grips with the fact that Asians are smarter than they are

>perceived

That's not exactly what I meant, not just other people in the world but life in general.
There is no aspect of life where putting in more effort to get out the same as someone who is talent is advantageous. No any that I can think of anyway.

ITT: Talentless hard workers who actually believe in free will.

The poor are poor because they take no risks, cooperate with nobody, and sacrifice nothing. Luck can toss you up but it can't keep you afloat.

Because they will get shit done to go back to being lazy. Stupid and industrious gets you the UK and banning everything

The poor are poor because people tend to live where they are born.

Born poor, die poor. Born rich, die rich. Simple.

Basically the only thing which can overturn this is extremely bad or extremely good luck.

Advantageous by what measure? If it gets you what you want, then isn't that good? Success is just getting paid to do what you'd do for free, and no one hates putting more effort into things they enjoy

Because Talent = their boss/CEO who was born into a wealthy family and shuffled into the position.
Hardwork = the carrot for future japanese salarymen who actually believe they'll ever move up in the company when all credit for their work will go to their bosses.

>Success is just getting paid to do what you'd do for free
Are you telling me to become an assassin?

You know what they say about broken clocks.

The guy who organized the 1944 bombing thought the Poles were untermenschen.

Yeah, once he started putting effort into it.

>hey take no risks
It's kinda hard to take risks if when you fail you will literally starve on the street.
>sacrifice nothing
Now I really hope this is b8, what can someone with no time or money sacrifice?

Not everyone can ask their dad for another 2m to keep their business afloat.

>Successful people know the most important thing is hard work.
>connections that low

Rich people are honest about hard work, but not about how many advantages their connections bring them

>Why is Japan so obsessed with the idea of talent vs hard work?

Because anime is like pre-K educational television for adults/teens who refuse to grow up, and part of growing up is accepting no matter how hard you try, some people will just naturally be better than you.

Becasue hardwork comes as something natural so the only way to get ahead is to actually have talent

Unlike in the west were the moment you put any effort you rise above your peers because everyone is so fucking lazy

Kind of flawed graph.
Ofcourse the rich would think their success came about from them "working hard". It will never cross their minds that if it weren't for daddy being the owner of a fortune 500 company they would not have have the foundation to become wealthy themselves. So they do their little paid internship and afterwards get a cushy high paying position thanks to nepotism and wipe the sweat from their forehead thinking that they actually did "hard work"

I honestly would trade my higher ups for this nazi general.

The Japanese are raised under the correct belief that talent is non-existent and skill must be developed through hard work. The harder you work, the stronger your skills become.

Although I'm not sure exactly what you're asking or trying to prove. Only morons believe in "talent" outside of the rare cases like autistic savants, or using the word properly to refer to artistic skills that have been developed over time. Innate ability is a very minor player in proficiency.

This graph is only useful for speculation because it's perceived reasons, not the immeasureable actual reasons.

A combination of responsibility, reliability, and a strong network of connections is the key to success. And achieving those things requires hard work.

>Talent + Hardwork > Hardwork >= Talent that is not honed through Hardwork
Ftfy. Seriously though, some people just don't have it in them to make that hard work pay off.

Talent is the blade while Hardwork is the grip. Neither of them are useful on its own. Only when you combine them you obtain the sword called Success.

Sick analogy

Practice makes perfect, it's a phrase you hear from birth. "Talent" is a myth, at most people have different approaches to learning which affect how fast they can develop skills.

(you)

>>>/tumblr/

He's right, look at the hierarchy of any military. Those who use others efficiently are innately lazy, which makes them fit for command.

Talent is the quality of thr metal, hard work is the hard work. You can make a good sword out of shitty quality metal if you work out the impurities long enough. Purer metal just requires less beating to get it right.