Stereotypical "need backup in arguing the JQ" thread

my brother's home for Christmas, and my mom's out of the house for the week. my dad, brother, and I are drinking beer and loudly discussing politics with each other. they're shockingly redpilled on a lot of things, but absolutely deny the JQ. my arguments (won't list/explain because it would take too long) aren't holding water with them—how can I convince them? I need arguments and memes, basically a tl;dr of Culture of Critique (which I read half of a few years ago)

if possible, don't bring up holohoax just because that's a whole can of worms on its own... unless you can convince me that it's a necessary cornerstone of of arguing the JQ.

basically, my dad and brother acknowledge:
>"Jew" means "decedents of Abraham", "adherents of the Jewish faith", and "raised in Jewish culture" interchangably
>Jews are massively overrepresented in the US in key fields (media, banking, etc.)
>Jews are pretty unique in that they never had a nation of their own historically, and have always been a roving desert tribe that moved from civilization to civilization
>Jews are massively nepotistic

they argue:
>Jews aren't any more nepotistic or prone to interbreeding than any other ethnic monoculture in America
>Jews are culturally amazing at maximizing profit and power while in their "host culture"
>racial generalizations about the Jews are just like racial generalizations about any other more-or-less "pure" race in America—while perhaps useful at one point, are now largely untrue and downright harmful in modern society
>even if it's true that extremely successful Jews (Hollywood, international bankers, etc.) wield power and influence, it doesn't make sense to ascribe these traits to ALL of them
>Jews dindu nuffin and I just have hatred and paranoia about them

how can I make my arguments more robust? my dad and brother are smart dudes, Catholic, conservative Midwesterners, and my brother even knows 9/11 was an inside job... but they just won't accept the JQ.

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youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412
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youtube.com/watch?v=PE56dcgGVMs
youtube.com/watch?v=YPGQ-iB7mcY
youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ&t=282s
thirdsector.co.uk/jewish-people-likely-give-charity-rest-population-says-report/fundraising/article/1389098
jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Jews-take-5-of-top-6-spots-in-annual-list-of-top-US-givers
angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf
jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html
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come on Sup Forums don't fucking let me down now, these threads usually get tons of replies

Try bringing up the propaganda they implement i.e multiculturalism, feminism, race mixing, globalism etc. Its hard to red pill someone when they don't want to be red pilled.

>that's just the Democrats, mostly people who live in massive liberal population centers though. they're not all Jewish, by a longshot!

also, re: Jewish overrepresentation:
>sure user they're 2% of the US population, but the Jews with any power are what, like 0.001% of that? see why generalizing all these things about Jews doesn't make any sense?

Try to talking to them about the (((Federal Reserve))) or about the nepotism running in Jewlywood.

>yes user the Jews in Hollywood are mad nepotistic but why is that a problem? ethnic groups always favor their own

>>Jews aren't any more nepotistic or prone to interbreeding than any other ethnic monoculture in America
>>Jews are culturally amazing at maximizing profit and power while in their "host culture"
>>racial generalizations about the Jews are just like racial generalizations about any other more-or-less "pure" race in America—while perhaps useful at one point, are now largely untrue and downright harmful in modern society
>>even if it's true that extremely successful Jews (Hollywood, international bankers, etc.) wield power and influence, it doesn't make sense to ascribe these traits to ALL of them
>>Jews dindu nuffin and I just have hatred and paranoia about them


ask them how many fucking jews they've met

my brother, a frat bro, has a Jewish frat bro friend who constantly makes fun of his own jewishness, even to the point where he and his friends all post hitler memes on private group messaging. my brother and I have a mutual friend who's the son of a dead Jewish Hollywood producer, but fails to get anywhere in life now. an orthodox Jewish family went to our school growing up; the son moved to Israel and joined the IDF, the daughter is a fat non-practicing degenerate sack of shit. I've known a few more jews than this but this is our shared family Jew experience, outside of my dad probably knowing some lawyers or what have you in town.

Jews created an Ethno-state, which implies that they see themselves as a separate group from any host Nation they live in, and that their collective interests, loyalties are different from ours.

Jews in Host Nations also push the exact opposite agenda of what Jews push for Israel. They have entire Lobbies like AIPAC to drive these interests.

>Closed Borders
>Guns for every Israeli
>Gay Marriage is Illegal
>Giant Border Wall

If you can't explain your points to others perhaps you should reflect on whether you should hold them yourself.

The way I argue against Israel is by stating that "Might makes right" is the ideology the Zionists are using to justify their expansion, as such they are an evil nation who will prey on the weak as much as they can. If you are a white nationalist you can't make this argument because you would be a hypocrite of course. If you truly wish to demolish all arguments for the state of Israel then you have to go into the Holohoax. Easiest way to start off is to ask them what the one historical event you cannot question in our society without being ostracized is, and as Voltaire said, "To Learn Who Rules Over You Find Out Who You Cannot Criticize," in the Middle Ages it was Christ and the King, now what is it?

I also explain that I do not oppose Jews in general, but Jewishness. Use the Mossad quote "By way of deception shalt thou do war." The most important thing is to explain how the media (who they already acknowledge is largely Jewish) sets up dichotomies to divide people, and show others how to step outside of them. Some examples: Debt Currency vs Gold Currency
Science and Reason vs Religion
Freedom and Democracy vs Tyranny
Racism and Anti-Semitism vs Anti-Racism
Judeo-Christianity vs Islam
Individual Rights vs Collective Rights
Gun Control vs Gun Liberty
etc. (Nearly every issue has been framed like this)
The key is showing how the discussion of these topics is trapped within one of these two sides when there are solutions outside of them. There are currencies besides debt-based or gold-backed, the attempt to scientifically prove religion supports the materialistic empiricist worldview, democracy is a form of tyranny (majority rule), one can be anti-semitic and willing to work with other races, genuine Christianity does not need to be allied to Judaism or against Islam, etc. Show how the Jews play two sides off each other, and explain how the real solutions.

great points all around, especially if I can scrounge up some proof of pushing degeneracy on the goyim such as pic related, to contrast with how Israel is run

>If you can't explain your points to others perhaps you should reflect on whether you should hold them yourself.
that's the point of threads like this, I have so much Sup Forums and related shit in my head, it all gets disorganized and muddled. especially when you can't talk with people in real life about it in order to anodize and solidify your views

>Easiest way to start off is to ask them what the one historical event you cannot question in our society without being ostracized is
this is a fantastic point I forgot to make, especially in places like Europe where it's literally illegal. I gave my brother some introductory Holohoax redpills and he half-believes me but isn't entirely sure yet, but I didn't want to get into it with my dad because "Hitler was the closest thing to Satan incarnate" is so hopelessly embedded in his Catholic Boomer mind.

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all good points, especially
>The key is showing how the discussion of these topics is trapped within one of these two sides when there are solutions outside of them
>Show how the Jews play two sides off each other, and explain how the real solutions.
, though they really seem hung up on "not ALL Jews, user, how can you say that", attributing mass degeneracy in progressive liberal population centers to anything but Jewish influence, and my use of the word "subvert" re: Jews infiltrating other cultures without assimilating. I told them about another Jew I knew from school, who had a Spanish first name and Jewish last name. his family fled Europe to Mexico and integrated Mexican culture, language, and traditions into their family... but they only interbred with other Jews for four generations, they saw nothing wrong with that

Don't try to redpill family members. If they hate you because of your views you are stuck with that the rest of your life. Sup Forums is now filled with 19 year olds who tell their neolib parents about their views are surprised when they get kicked out.

Exactly. I didn't stress that point enough.

Not only are their interests different from ours, but they are actively pushing an agenda (from every angle possible) to harm us, in any and every way they can.

Your hangup seems to be on that the Jews don't assimilate into the US culture, but the issue is that it is the US culture that you don't have to assimilate to anything other than respecting the freedom of others. As for "Not All Jews," you cannot prove that all Jews are involved in something. Instead of explaining why the Jews are causing these problems, I would offer alternatives and explain why they're better than what we have currently for all people involved (besides the (((elites)))).

It's a Jewish tactic to say that x group is causing our problems, explain an idea that is superior and watch as the Jews attack you for suggesting it. Hitler initially did not oppose the Jews, he opposed the ideas the Jews pushed. That's how you get started.

If your views get you ostracized from your family they are not views that have noble or good intentions. The redpill pushed on Sup Forums is basically "No longer consider x group worthy of empathy" which should be disgusting to anyone who has compassion for other humans. The real redpill is to create an ideal that anyone can strive for and to unite with others who share that ideal. My ideal is close to the Christ-Warrior archetype, find your own and unite with those who want to create a society around the same principles. I'm more similar to a man who shares my beliefs than I am to a man who shares my race.

Just watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=8fNpWjdZphQ

>Your hangup seems to be on that the Jews don't assimilate into the US culture, but the issue is that it is the US culture that you don't have to assimilate to anything other than respecting the freedom of others.
right, but the Jews are a nomadic, invasive tribe. no other culture set up shop in America with the intent of not just subsisting and getting by, but with subverting and controlling.
>As for "Not All Jews," you cannot prove that all Jews are involved in something.
my argument was that, since we agree that different races/cultures have different broad characteristics that don't necessarily apply to EVERYONE of a given race/culture, why is it so wrong to point out that Jewish people for one reason or another have these specific tendencies, with only a select few taking the tendencies to the logical extreme?

this is actually bretty fuggin good. doing a Bible study group at my church was one of the biggest redpills I've taken; the Old Testament is, in a lot of ways, a series of stories that codify human behavior, often specifically Jewish behavior, and even occasionally criticize it (of course, the New Testament takes it to the next level). Exodus, for example, reads like a manual for how to save the Jewish race from their own decadent retarded kike autism after they get kicked out of yet another culture they've infested. even if the Egyptian exodus never really happened, the meta-story rings true, "Moses"es must've had the hardest fucking job on the planet, herding the autistic retarded Jew sheep around the desert every few hundred years after they get exiled yet again

>my brother's home for Christmas

I can almost see the outcome

>there goes my social life thank you Sup Forums

And the predictable march of the shills

>serves you well gullible idiot
>stop poasting and become a good g... get your priorities right user

It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, identity-less, subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and to discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the past and present in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Why people are afraid of the facts about the Jews:
>youtube.com/watch?v=-iU9kf2EHJw

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

White Genocide is real - In their own words
>liveleak.com/view?i=aec_1508296335

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_WSV4n-u8
>youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>youtube.com/watch?v=PE56dcgGVMs

nah man my brother is straight ENTP, he'll play Devil's Advocate even for opinions he holds deeply, motherfucker just loves to debate as much as possible to find the truth. he knows 9/11 was an inside job, and he swallowed the other redpills I gave him expertly, but he's just choking a bit on this one. with a bit of time and some additional evidence, he'll understand in no time. our dad probably won't though and I'm not gonna push it on him lol

excellent thank you very much, this is exactly what I was looking for.
also idk how but I'd like confirmation that these subtitles are accurate, huge if true youtube.com/watch?v=YPGQ-iB7mcY

one last quick bump

It doesn't have to be "all Jews"-- that's a ridiculous non-argument used to disregard criticism of Jewish ideology.

It's individual Jews, but it's their motivations that make it a Jewish thing-- because their motivation is because "it's best for the Jews as a group."

Culture of Critique talks about this a lot.

>Culture of Critique talks about this a lot.
I really need to go back and finish it. it's kinda exhausting to read though because the arguments it presents are so comprehensive

Show them this picture

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Yeah, its really dense. The important thing imo is identifying the overall patterns and psychology of the Jewish strategy. Easier to take a "soft" approach to digesting the theses rather than trying to absorb every piece of information.

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Shut the fuck up bitch. Now bend over!

Seems like they agree on the important aspects. What Jews do is fine...within their own nation. Other groups do the same, and you know what? If we had a ton of, say, Zimbabwe influence in our media schools, and government, that'd be a problem, too!

all excellent posts user, but this one really takes the cake for me personally

...but also, wait a sec, don't these two images present conflicting information? is Jewish IQ higher on average or not? personally it seems to me like it probably is, which I think is a positive thing for us, because it opens the door to race realism discussion in general.

The truth is that there is not a conclusive answer on that yet. Personally I think it is hard to believe Jews have an avg IQ of 115. To me that just seems like they only sampled upper class Jews to get that number.

But even if it were true, that image I showed you demonstrates that their higher IQ is not enough to explain their massive over-representation in every major sector. I think their success is largely due to nepotism.

There are more non-Jewish white geniuses in the US than there are Jews on the planet.

I bet you can guess which (((tribe))) most of the Atheist feminists are a part of too. ;)

>Jews are the cancer of the world and gas is the cure.

What would he say about the Federal Jewserve?

been at work for hours on this one 4 U bro

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Talk about porn. Talk about the overrepresentation being so high that one standard deviation in IQ can't account for most of it and that the nepotism would be literally illegal if whites did it. Show them the fellow white people memes. Look up feminists by religion on Wikipedia. Show the Patton's letters.

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he doesn't know what that is, like most people. I've known for years but only because of old school Sup Forums Ron Paul "audit the fed" memes, that shit sure as hell ain't taught in schools.

youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ&t=282s

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You can also mention Jews have contributed a ton to the well being of humanity. Look at all the lives they have saved due to their scientific discoveries regarding medicine.

[3] Karl Landsteiner, Blood Transfusions (identification of blood groups): (1/2) x 1.16 Billion = 580 Million Lives Saved

• [4] Richard Lewisohn, Blood Transfusions (sodium citrate blood preservation method): (1/2) x 1.16 Billion = 580 Million Lives Saved

• [8] Abel Wolman, Chlorination of Drinking Water: (1/2) x 182 Million = 91 Million Lives Saved

• [11] Benjamin Rubin, Smallpox Eradication (bifurcated inoculation needle): (1/4) x 142 Million = 35.5 Million Lives Saved

• [12] Aaron Ismach, Smallpox Eradication (jet injector gun): (1/4) x 142 Million = 35.5 Million Lives Saved

• [16] Samuel Katz, Measles Vaccine: (1/8) x 124 Million = 15.5 Million Lives Saved

• [22] Sir Ernst Chain, Penicillin: (1/4) x 86 Million = 21.5 Million Lives Saved

• [26] David Nalin, Oral Rehydration Therapy for Cholera: (1/5) x 59 Million = 11.8 Million Lives Saved

• [28] Norbert Hirschhorn, Oral Rehydration Therapy for Cholera: (1/5) x 59 Million = 11.8 Million Lives Saved

• [30] David Sachar, Oral Rehydration Therapy for Cholera: (1/5) x 59 Million = 11.8 Million Lives Saved

• [32] Paul Ehrlich, Diphtheria and Tetanus Antitoxin: (1/3) x 42 Million = 14 Million Lives Saved

• [47] Alfred Sommer, Vitamin A Therapy: 8.5 Million Lives Saved

• [48] Baruch Blumberg, Hepatitis B Vaccine: (1/3) x 6.7 Million = 2.2 Million Lives Saved

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And also:
"Jewish people more likely to give to charity than 93 per cent of Jews make at least one donation a year, compared with 57 of non-Jewish adults"

thirdsector.co.uk/jewish-people-likely-give-charity-rest-population-says-report/fundraising/article/1389098

"JEWS TAKE 5 OF TOP 6 SPOTS IN ANNUAL LIST OF TOP US GIVERS"
jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Jews-take-5-of-top-6-spots-in-annual-list-of-top-US-givers

Go stick a swastika up in your cunt mother's ass stormfags.

Teach them jewry, they won't be able to see anything else for '18. Next xmass you'll be disgusting genocide techniques.
Doesn't the bible say christianity and judaism are 2 chaptors of the same firm?

I don't even think that's a question. 115 is ridiculously high for an average, ample sample. If this was the case Jews would be absolutely dominating every scientific/mathematical/analytical field.

Culture of Critique pdf: angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf

Is saving the weak a benefit to humanity in the long term?

"At least 201 Jews and people of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2017, and constituting 37% of all US recipients2 during the same period.3 In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Physics, and Physiology/Medicine, the corresponding world and US percentages are 26% and 39%, respectively. Among women laureates in the four research fields, the Jewish percentages (world and US) are 33% and 50%, respectively. Of organizations awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, 21% were founded principally by Jews or by people of half-Jewish descent. Since the turn of the century (i.e., since the year 2000), Jews have been awarded 26% of all Nobel Prizes and 28% of those in the scientific research fields. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)"

jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

>as Voltaire said, "To Learn Who Rules Over You Find Out Who You Cannot Criticize,"
It's a hell of a quote, but sadly Voltaire never said that.

This is surprisingly uncharitable given what percentage of us Jews are extreme upperclass. 50% of whites in this country aren't in the 1% like the Jewish community, so this actually says a lot in favor of white generosity. Besides, how much of that giving was to non-profit Jewish groups?

Addendum. The comparison is Jews be nonjews. Our brown underclass is going to drag the stats down even more. Not a lot of illegal immigrants giving remittance money to charity.

this needs to be spammed in more threads. it should be required reading for newfags

50% Jews are in top 1%. Charity for the 1% is Fundraisers and charity events in which people sell dumb shit and get drunk. How Noble.

This is literally chapter1 stuff.
>look user I do good, how can I be bad?