What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?

What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?

>vulvarave
it's vulvarape

eru erufu was such a best boi

They were both hilarious trainwrecks but Code Geass came at a very special time and was much earlier in its arrival.

Smelly
NEET
Pussy

I miss Valvrave.
All the speculation was great, the hype was better than the actual show.

>the hype was better than the actual show
Nothing beats the rape.

I remember that explosion of threads fondly.

Pure love.

First season was a clusterfuck of scenes existing just for shock value.
The second season tried to sew everything up together, but in doing so become boring.
MC was very weak.

I dropped it in episode one. If it was going to try to be the next Code Geass the least it could have done was make a memorable first episode.

Post webm pls

>immortal space zombie body stealing mecha pilots

let that sentence sink in for a bit and you have all the answer you need.

It's just as bad as Code Geass, so it succeeded in being the next Code Geass.

>zombie
Vampire.

Because it is a lot worse. The first season of CG is pretty good except for the asspull Euphemia thing.

I was there.
A full 2500+ posts in just 30 minutes. Fucking majestic.

All of the tweest were just forced for shock value and were resolved with some sort of copouts without any impact on the story and the characters. Midway through the first season it just stagnated. It had no unexpected plot developments or interesting character interactions, nothing to make you want to keep watching.

>not even remembering the best part of season 1

I want to get back on the rave train.

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>What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?

Saki didn't accept the marriage proposal.

This show was amazing

Unfortunately geass had already done what it did before it, and unlike geass there was no actual plot that the twists were attached to so there wasn't much reason to keep following it beyond watching the train crash

Season 1 was decent but Season 2 was an absolute clusterfuck of nonsense and Haruto was so unlikable its the main reason why he was killed off. Add in the cancerous Sakifags vs Shokofags, fujoshits and faggots sucking L-Elfs dick and how they ruined several others characters compressed 2-cours into 1-cour for the sake of leaving no loose ends left a bile aftertaste in my mouth.

Show had promise and squandered it for shock value.

I doubt there will be another Code Geass that is just as fun as Code Geass. There will probably be attempts to make a Code Geass but better but that will take away some of the fun. If they can make a MC like Lelouch they are already half way there. I hope it can happen it the next four or five years.

Because other than l-elf, I couldn't give a damn about the characters. Haruto basically doesn't have personality, Shoko is basically a prize for him to fight for. Kyuma is a greedy bastard, Akira does jack all for most of the first season, and Saki is just plain inconsistent.

With code geass, everything was a larger than life spectacle, a grand drama played out of the world stage, an ultimate opera telling a legendary epic. Say what you will about Lelouch but damned if he wasn't fun to watch. Say what you will about Suzaku and Kallen but their battles were EPIC. Even Shirley's arc was twinged with bittersweet tradgety.

Season 2 happened and instead of actually doing insane 200 year timeskips they went to Earth for half the season, for no fucking reason.

Absolutely nothing

Shirley was one of my favorite characters. I hope she is reborn.
Overall, just by being good enough story while having interesting characters made it possible to be remembered. The emotional attachment to some character or seeing how it all played out was worth it in the end of season two even if it fell apart in season 2. Honestly, everyone has watched great or excellent anime that trump it but the feeling Code Geass gives people will probably will be stronger.

What DIDN'T go wrong?

>there was no actual plot that the twists were attached to

>Haruto was so unlikable its the main reason why he was killed off

>Haruto basically doesn't have personality, Shoko is basically a prize for him to fight for. Kyuma is a greedy bastard, Akira does jack all for most of the first season, and Saki is just plain inconsistent.

>I haven't watched the show since it aired but I'll still talk and make arguments as if I know exactly what it and its characters were like

I hate faggots like you all.

2 cours instead of 4.

>tfw Valvrave was four years ago.

No one liked Haruto.

>What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?
Code Geass had a fixed end point. The staff knew how the show was going to end and did everything to get there.

VVV had no such plan. They were going insane dreaming up half baked ideas that made no sense and being inconsistent in-universe. They were throwing in crazy twists that exist to be twists but had no effect on the plot.

And that is what it boils down to. Code Geass has Lulu constantly and repeatedly tried to make a better world for his sister. VVV has no such central pollar. The characters literally don't know what they are fighting for.

>No one liked Haruto on Sup Forums

Fixed that for you. Try looking outside of your echo chamber sometime.

He was too good for this world

No one liked Haruto in Nipland as well.

Cross Ange was somewhat the successor to Code Geass

Pretty much no one liked him and many people either didn't care about him or wanted him to die. The show isn't even about him and he has no real relevance or impact. You don't feel sad that he died because he was nothing and accomplished nothing.

>The characters literally don't know what they are fighting for.

Except they do.

L-elf was fighting to free Lieselotte and bring revolution to Dorssia in the process.

The students at first were fighting for survival and their families, L-elf used this to make them fight for him to speed up his plans.

In the end it became a fight to unveil the truth to the world and start a revolution on behalf of co-existence, Lieselotte's dream, which ties back into L-elf's fight.

Valvrave is no fucking masterpiece but it's baffling to me how you people can't grasp the basic concepts of its premise.

>Except they do.
You listed how the plot kept jumping from episode to episode. With nothing connecting them to each other. The end of the show had nothing to do with the start of it. That's why it didn't work.

Code Geass worked, because despite the mess in the middle, the ending and the beginning fully matched up.

Hey remember that episode set in the future for no reason at the start of it about an empire that never EVER got referred to or referenced again? I love that episode which was a gigantic red herring, as was both seasons which amounted to nothing.

>Incredibly ugly manface himecut wins
>Perfect loving feminine girl loses
What went wrong you say? At least in Geass the best girl won.

It is just a shock to learn from interviews, that the script ended up with "school trying to become and independent country" as a random idea. That the studio didn't put ANY thought in how that affect the plot. Basically the studio was exactly YOLOing random shit like the characters themselves. And they admitted that on record.

I know Sup Forums likes to project but take one look at JP twitter and it paints a different picture. They still love Valvrave, Haruto included. Just yesterday they were spamming twitter with thanks to VVV and recommendations to watch it.

L-elf and Haruto are basically the only characters who still get decent amounts of fanart on their birthdays.

>They love it
>those dropped ratings
>terrible sales
>literally most fanart ignore or marginalize Haruto
Nice delusions.

Holy shit you're retarded if you think those points are "jumping" from one another. I even outright specified how they tied into each other. L-elf's plan from the start was bringing revolution to Dorssia, and the show ended with the beginning of a revolution. How are those things different?

Those scenes were never meant to be explored. If you understand the show is about starting a revolution and not the actual revolution you'd understand those scenes are meant to tell the viewer the characters succeeded, since with the main story's concept we wouldn't know otherwise.

>Those scenes were never meant to be explored.
Nah. The show writers admitted they had no idea what they were doing most of season 2, which is why most events don't tie directly into each other. Stop defending this show, it was terrible.

>ratings
>sales

2013 was four years ago, user.

>I've deluded myself therefore you should too
Go away

Time judges all.

I followed threads while it aired. Not once was any interview posted that stated such a thing.

Also the argument doesn't even make sense as the first flashback was in S1.

>I followed threads while it aired.
So did almost everyone on Sup Forums watching it.

>They still love Valvrave, Haruto included.
They don't. At all.
>Just yesterday they were spamming twitter with thanks to VVV and recommendations to watch it.
Nice bullshit. Those are bots, very visible bots.

Nice argument. Everything I said was outright stated in the show. What delusion?

>understand those scenes are meant to tell the viewer the characters succeeded,
That's incredibly bad writing then.

>bots
Okay, so you're just shitposting. Got it.

Because they don't actually tie together in any meaningful way and very much do spring out of nowhere as the writer demands it.

Yes, the Japanese twitter has like 5 valvrave bots repeating the same things over and over again.

>2017 AD
>There is someone on Sup Forums literally defending VVV
Holy shit this is amazing.

I wasn't arguing otherwise. It's basically the epilogue except spread throughout the show instead of at the end.

Yes, and those obviously aren't what I was referring to.

>He doesn't defend things he likes regardless of what other people think

Sad.

>He defends a show that's suck and terribleness is legendary to the point its the new parameter which other shows are stacked up against on the sucking scale.
>Also a Sakifag.

Joke's on you, I like everyone. I'm sure you'll say that's somehow worse than being a waifufag.

>I like everyone.
So not only a VVV apologist but unironically a faggot who can't commit to a single character? That's even more pathetic, user.

What would happen if a show could somehow have Ange AND Lelouch as co-protagonists?

They are the only posts about vvv on twitter, so yes they are.

ERU ERUFU

Vampires are basically a type of zombie.

Ange worked because it felt like it knew how ridiculous it was and ran with it.

Also it was fun and everybody had actual reasons for doing what they did.

No it wasn't.

a ) It was nowhere near as popular or accessible

b ) It was actual fucking shit and had no quality towards it whatsoever

>Ange worked
It didn't

>Ange AND Lelouch as co-protagonists?

*ahem*

I remember how L-Elf kept topping every fucking poll they made. If they have include him in best girl survey, he would have won it too.

>You must commit to a single character

Watching shows with a decently size cast must be a nightmare for you.

>Had less threads and discussions than VVV
>As a mecha anime it was thoroughly shitty
>Characters were terrible and unmemorable

About the only similarity between the two are the equally retarded fanbases

Haruto gets fanart because he's shipped with L-Elf.

No. Zombie are dead bodies moving. Soul has left the body a long time ago. Vampire has a soul, but that soul is cursed.

Both were objectively shit, but the deciding difference is their Protagonists.

Lelouch was a magnificent and entertaining faggot and he largely carried the entire show. Haruto was just a boring and annoying faggot.

They're not, but I get it, you don't actually care.

Again, he and L-elf are the only characters who still get a decent amount of fanart on their birthdays. That includes solo fanart. Admittedly, the artists don't really post on pixiv anymore, mostly only twitter, so I can understand not seeing it.

These people are even still holding doujin cons. Pic related.

Not even what I said.

I don't know about quality opinions here but CA threads were pretty huge on both Sup Forums and /m/ when it was airing.

out of curiosity,what do artist use nowadays if not pixiv?

CA and VVV had the same issue actually

they forgot how to have fun in the 2nd half

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I'm not a skeleton.

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>That includes solo fanart.
Only for L-Elf and even that stopped a while ago.

>but CA threads were pretty huge on both Sup Forums and /m/ when it was airing.
No they weren't. Especially not on /m/

Why are you bringing up popularity towards a show that wasn't popular to begin with?

You were never on /m/ clearly when the show was airing, neat.

Actually I was hence why I'm able to call you out on your horseshit

Actually you weren't because I was. hence why I am able to call you out on your bullshit.

>NO U

Great argument you have there

>Counter NO U

Great argument you don't have there.

The most discussion the show got was during that shitty controversy with ANN but outside that threads were pretty much barren. You fags certainly didn't try as hard with the OCs and spamming like VVVfags did.

>/m/
They fucking hated CA and that show aired alongside, G-Reco, Fafner Exodus and TRY all of which were vastly more popular. Only memesters gave a shit about CA.

Twitter.

It takes a bit more effort to dig around to find stuff, but it's there.

(You) aren't fooling anyone here, kiddo.

Why not read my posts instead of nitpicking lines?

>someone still has this saved
;_;