I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash. IBO to me...

I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash. IBO to me, is equal if not worse than SEED now.

This show is Gundam in name only. it divulges from what actually is a Gundam show, and for the worst.

OORRRRUUUPPHHHAAANSSS NAMIDA

How bad is this show? I watched the first episode when it started airing and was too bored to continue.

>This show is Gundam in name only. it divulges from what actually is a Gundam show, and for the worst.

You sound like the dumbasses who complained Gundam 00 S1 wasn't Gundam enough, so they doubled down on dumb Gundamisms in S2 and look how that turned out.

There's enough Gundam being Gundam out there. Let it different creators try different things with the franchise.

SEED is good

>Strangely enough, I liked it despite the MCs get ded ending. I kinda figured that this was the Gundam where the writers asked "What if the Gundam and its group gets defeated for good, and they die? Will anything good come out of it?" It is a different take compared to the usual Gundam show, but it's a good one IMO. Probably still one of the black sheep of the franchise, but still a worthy entry.

This. And so is Destiny

I agree for the most part it was always a Gundam from the perspective of the merc group that would usually be a minor/mid level element in any other series

> getting upset over a childrens show yet still watching all 50 episodes because " reasons"

At least IBO had the best ED in the entire franchise

Ironically enough the first three or so episodes were the only decent ones of season 1. Season 2 has been a clusterfuck where basically nothing the protagonists did mattered.
Go watch something fun like 00 or G Gundam instead.

>I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash
Lupin fans knew this already

All of the OP/ED were on point

A lot of nothing happens then there's a decent battle where the story progresses, then more nothing happens. If the show was condensed to 24 episodes it would have been pretty decent.

It felt more like they were going a certain way with S2 then part way through figured out it wasn't going to go into season 3 so they decided to kill everyone off to wrap shit up.

Season two had two high points
The mobile armor battle which ended up being a big waste of time in the story as it fulfilled no purpose, and killing Jizzly, that was a good episode.

Wait never mind, I just remembered G NO RECONGUISTAAAAAAAAAAA

She also did the DTB second season, didn't she?
What a bitch.

>I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash.

That's been the case for a while. I can't think of any other anime staff that instantly makes large swaths of people feel dread.

>What if the Gundam and its group gets defeated for good, and they die
>What is Zeta?

Did she? If so, why does she still have a job? Should have been booted from the industry after that.

I've watched every other gundam, I'm not going to stop now, I persevered through Seed, Destiny and Age, I'm not going to be hindered by something like this
that said
IBO is fucking awful

IIRC, Zeta's group actually won their battle even tho the MC got brain-zapped.

Barbatos' group flat-out lost in the end, even though their non-pilot staff managed to get away safely.

She should be booted after ruining Gundam, IBO had all the fucking makings of being one of the best in the series, and she fucked it all up.

The plot(beginning)
The characters
The premise

She needs to get the same treatment as the guy who directed Aldnoah Zero. Go on Hiatus for 2 years because no one will hire you, and watch your 2017 resurgence flop.

Aldnoah had so much going for it, too. Sigh.

>The characters
I'd argue that no character really had any character other than atra
everyone else just did things as the plot demanded
especially the last half of the last episode when they just decide they're good guys now and they like people and things are fine because we can't end with a sad "the empire marches on" note

>large swaths of people
It's just a few memers on Sup Forums and /m/

I warned people about Okada but homos on this board told me how great she is and that Hanasaku Iroha, True Tears, AnoHana, etc. are all masterpieces, that I had never watched an Okada show and was memeing, that I had shit taste, that Mayoiga was actually good because it's a comedy....

Fuck all of you.

According to ANN she is only credited for a few episodes, she probably had little to no involvement in writing the overall story.

>series composer

Yea I'm not touching anymore of her stuff after this.
She really but women two steps back.

>People tried to convince others that Mayoiga was a comedy and all of the bullshit was intentional

SEED was much better than IBO by default for having an opening by T.M Revolution.

IBO didn't have a single good OP/ED, SPYAIR's felt more like incoherent noise than an actual music.

Nah

IBO is probably top 3 for gundam AUs

its just that most of them are p. terrible

Oh, that explains it, then.

Because whoever fucked up DTB doesn't belong in the industry at all, seriously.

No the industry loves Okada too much. Literally everything she does aside from ano hana has under-performed or flopped. Though the dude who did aldnoah has a guaranteed hit with the idolshit show they are doing probably in or next spring.

mayoiga wasn't as bad as people were implying it was
which is for the worse
if it was a trainwreck, it might've been somewhat fun, but it was plainly just not good and everyone was touting it as a horrible fuck up trainwreck, when mostly it was just boring

Most of their pilots were dead, incapacitated or missing. All that remained of their fleet was the damaged Argama. They beat the Titans, but Axis was the only real winner. In ZZ it kinda gets better, but you're essentially just watching Anaheim Electronics private special ops unit try and fail to resist Zeon (see:Dublin) until Glemy starts a civil war and Neo Zeon mostly kills each other off. AEUG also failed in its goal to get more autonomy to the Spacenoids and move political power to space, which is why CCA ends up happening. Zeta's end is a complete and utter loss for the AEUG (don't accomplish their goals and most of their organization is destroyed) and they never truly recover

>everyone had fun with Mayoiga while it was airing
>then everyone decided it was fake fun and the show didn't mean to do it

>Watch a show with a meme director like Okada or Urobuchi
>Get a bad show

Wow, was that so hard to understand?

I would not say it's horrible but most of the plot feels like it's fucking pointless.
S1 was alright with being an escort mission, a bit too drawn out, but alright. Surely S2 must be better? Fuck you, have fuck knows how many episodes of stuff happening that does not matter in the long run at all.

...

Mayoiga is satire though.

Is it good? Fuck no.

I didn't have fun
everyone was shitposting like crazy, having fun with the shitposting, but not realizing that they were shitposting about a boring show

samurai flamenco was genuinely great though
I don't mean this as a trainwreck thing, it's just a poorly constructed rollercoaster that has too many wicked sharp turns

This. Like that whole "Rangers" posting joke. Why was that even funny?

For god's sake, fuck off, /m/. You're pathetic.

I guess it's a case of winning the battle but losing the war in Zeta, then.

If that's the case, you could say IBO was the opposite; Tekkadan lost the final big battle, but managed to find places to live for those that survived (which was mostly their objective anyway).

What went wrong with Aldnoah Zero? Only caught two episodes but didn't have the time for more that season.

>literally almost as bad as GSD
Thanks Okada.
Hi Okada.

S1 was okay, S2 started strong but went to shit and the ending was even worse than IBO's

Inaho got a magic eyeball more advanced than the Martian ayylien magic and then dunked on Slaine as they both get cucked by a dude who didn't exist until the last 2 eps.

There is literally nothing wrong with SEED

However Destiny is trash

>apes both Wing and 0079
>has no identity of its own
>recycled stock footage fights
>HD remaster actually makes Hirai's art style and character designs actually worse
>sub-plot with N-Jammers never really explored
>retarded nihilist big bad Char clone
Seed started okay and got progressively dumber. But was entertaining I guess. Still probably would rank 2000s and onwards Gundam TV shows as:

00 S1 > G-Reco = 00 S2 > Seed > GBF > AGE > GBF Try > Seed-Destiny = IBO.

>"Using that technique could destroy you!" cliché
>The madman uses it
>Is actually destroyed by it

There were a lot of asspulls but if there's one thing IBO did well it was press the theme that kids playing at war don't get out that easy. A lot of this felt like stabs at things like SEED, a series with a bunch of teenage gebius pilots that survive the unsurvivable (mostly Kira).

Instead it took child soldiers that wanted to fight a qar to earn the good life and repeatedly brow beat them with "that isn't how the real world ." not always perfectly but generally well done imo.

For me, I just found the show mediocre and boring. It just played by the books and felt really typical and forgettable.

>It divulges from what actually is a Gundam show, and for the worst.

It pisses me off that this sort of complaint is what caused 00 S2 after the fantastic S1 it had.

You want to know what makes a gundam show gundam? The mere detail that there's a mech that's called a gundam.

then don't use fucking gundams ms. okada. Use a different mech, make your fucking own but don't use gundams.

Gundams have a symbolism for a fucking reason. They're meant to represent change and hope.

Flay

Twilight Axis' director (Kim, Se Jun) has some pretty good shows under his belt, I hope it turns out okay at least, IBO left me pretty disappointed.

shut up okada, you're actually telling me that IBO had a good ending. Rustal turning good was the biggest slap in the face to the audience.

Does she did the 1st season?

Stop bullshitting. The entire first season Tekkadan got through with literally 1 named character loss and shat all over the intergalactic empire, who were portrayed as cartoonishly evil, corrupt, and stupid. They fought pirates so flat that they were literally inhuman monstrosities and shit was just slow as fuck and humorless and boring until the last, last battle.

It wasn't until the whole Earth Branch arc in S2 that Tekkadan actually started suffering meaningful losses, and even then they continued to muscle their way through.

See, here's the thing. Let's say that Okada wanted to portray that message. Why waste FIFTY EPISODES making everyone watch these stupid shitters who have no goal or plan or anything? Why build them up as the row row fight da power underdog pitted against a huge, corrupt The Man constantly? The series literally ends with that, with Kudelia saying "they fought magnificently for their human dignity and for change" and all this other garbage, like these kids are supposed to be ideological heroes, when all 50 episodes they were not, when they didn't even know what the fuck they were fighting for.

So if Okada was trying to say what you THINK she was trying to say, she did a really bad job with it and pussied out at the last moment and tried to have it both ways, with Tekkadan being noble and having accomplished something with their bullshit meaningless violence.

No, I don't buy it.... the more likely explanation is Mari Okada is just a shit writer.

SEED had the best Char clone you faggot.

Was 00 really that interesting? MC seemed dull and Celestial Being never really hooked me with its missions.

are we hitting the point where the people that grew up with SEED are going to start defending it like what happened with Wing?

Nope.
>Ore ga Gundam MC
>Boring
Nope.

wing wasn't even fucking bad.

it wasn't good either

00 was way more interesting than IBO

Still better then Seed, Seed Destiny, AGE, GBF Try, Victory, G, and especially this steaming pile of shit that Okada gave us.

The Gundam this time around seemed really meh. Not a fan of the big mace whatever it had, especially not after the sex that was the Unicorn and Banshee.

00 S1 is basically Wing but done right.

I'll give you everything on that list but G, but they're so separate of a thing that it's apples and oranges
but just because it's better than the detritus of the series doesn't make it good or worth defending

I'll give the most credit for avoiding beam weapons, but the huge focus on only melee weaponry got kind of boring

Is this the new Okada Defense Force meme? SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF SERIES COMPOSITION. Even if she only personally wrote a few episodes, she is responsible for the direction of the whole plot.

yea but they fucking introduce the dansleif, which is even more retarded.

>GBF Try
Just because the fights and characters weren't as amazing as the first GBF, doesn't mean it was bad.

some people are just salty because Rustal didn't take out his family Gundam and died pointlessly in a 1v1 with murder midget. That's why IBO isn't Gundam enough for some.

One of the few things IBO did well was play around with the idea of the main gundam being some elegant weapon. There was even the episode in S1 where Mika had a fucking katana and couldn't figure out how to use it, then he grabbed a giant metal club and said, yeah this is good.

no, it being bad is what made it bad

>poorly constructed
Samflam was very well constructed

Keep crying I loved rustal constantly bombarding the little fuckers. Any other outcome than the government laying down the law and squashing their shit would have been underwhelming

>protagonist was originally a brain washed child soldier used by a jihdaist mercenary who lost his country
>timeskips to the present time where he switches his belief in God with Gundam and works for a paramilitary ideological force that forces an insane if super genius man's plan for unification of the human race and all political groups via terrorism and forced intervention with military force
>Unlike Mika, Setsuna despite his PTSD, trauma, and scarred mental condition still functions somewhat like a human being and even pulls a gun on his squad-mate for threatening to try and remove him from being a Gundam pilot
>Displays actual emotions when the time calls for it (rage, anger, confusion, naivety, tone of voice, etc...) when he needs too
>Becomes a Gundam
It was pretty interesting. Especially since its the only series in UC or AU that manages to do convincing politics and politicking with a fair degree of accuracy which the rest of the franchise has honestly failed at.

Even the second season which doesn't live up to the first still has the benefits of great production values, animation, fights, and cool scenes and largely stays consistent with its themes even if it moves toward a more traditional Gundam plot and I loved the movie too.

I'm biased but I thought 00 was pretty good.

If Axis wasn't involved it would be an extremely Pyrrhic victory and the Feddies probably still wouldn't have given a shit or implemented the AEUG's goals anyway. Zeta was a darker ending in every way, imo. Mika and Guts were already dead on the inside and were waiting to die in a blaze of glory. Meanwhile in Zeta you could see Kamille was sick and tired of fighting and was already starting to break when Scirocco got to him. In IBO they got everything they wanted even though they lost and most of Tekkadan still manages to escape. So, whenever people in these threads try to say IBO was the first to have such a dark ending, I can only roll my eyes when Gundam's first sequel was much, much darker

Try definitely was bad, though. Did you see the generals on /m/? Pretty much the first half of the first cour was "I'm so hyped" "This could be interesting" then it started to be "they'll probably develop this stuff more in the second half" and by the end of the series, every general thread for every new ep was 800 posts of just "what went wrong?" "kill me" "why do I still watch this?" it was amazing.

Patrick was the best 00

God the lesbian mom ending was really gross. Plus imaging emotionless Mikazuki having sex is uncomfortable.

Also how old was Atra during the series if she got as tall as Kudelia after the timeskip? She had to have been like 15 and pregnant.

a fucking leaf.

don't think i don't know.

Yeah, I agree with most of this

But his Gundam was an elegant weapon, he just didn't know how else to fight with it. That's sort of the problem. They could have made it this hodgepodge monstrosity of a machine that's as jank looking as Mika himself, but instead they went with a sleek machine with a stupidly oversized hunk of metal that's both boring and doesn't make much of a visual impact when trying to be all tough and brutish.

Of kill myself if I was a leaf before some dog fucker government employee did

it had so much potential...but they just trashed it with overusing dainsleif,

IBO is good like SAO, as long as you only watch the 1st season.

The 2nd season can be thrown in the trash and burned. They'd have been better off had they made G-Reco longer, there was more to that than IBO had. But what could you expect from a shit writer.

I'm just sad they didn't go full stupid, get both kudelia and atra pregnant, as well as have mcgillis sire an heir

>Patrick getting his waifu Kati
It was pure kino.

The first episode of S2 and the one where he springs Al and Marina sold me forever on Setsuna. I'd watch an entire show with just him as the only pilot who spends half his time infiltrating bases in fast, violent raids before making a daring escape in a hobo Gundam he barely keeps together with duct tape and GN particles.

Someone shoop that MTV show logo with timeskip Atra and Kudelia with shota Mika son in it

What is it called? 16 and pregnant?

>IBO is good like SAO, as long as you only watch the 1st season.

Are you serious? SAO's first season was awful from the first episode and IBO's S1 was just a 25 episode long escort mission that felt comprised entirely of filler arcs starring characters nobody gave a fuck about.

>Galli hiding his pregnancy from Julietta
>"How will she react if she learns it's Fareed's"
>Manage to convince her it's hers.

fund it.

That just sounds like /m/ forcing memes to enjoy something as a fake trainwreck rather than not feel as hyped as they were for the first show.

I watched it on my own and had a fine time. It didn't make me run up he walls in excitement, but it wasn't bad.