Animators have quit

Animators have quit.
Shows get less episodes due to shortage of manpower.
Anime earning shifts from DVDs and merch to streaming.
Despite this, animators get almost nothing.

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Shall we expect the industry to collapse by 2020?

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Oh no, Japan ran out of animators. If only there were some other people willing to work for almost nothing.

yeah

That doesn't change much, and Chinese firms are already making their own animation studios.

If anything, this is heading to a scenario where active Japanese animation studios would be halved and Chinese animation studios would start to make projects for Japanese media.

So Japan ran out of resources and now they found the place they can get some again. Sounds familiar.

Time for a restructuring of the industry. Might be a good thing in the end.

Or they they could just start paying animators more.

It takes years to train an animator. It's cheaper and faster to let globalization work its magic.

It takes years to learn a craft. The main issue is making said craft an interesting prospect. Right now, being an animator is a stressful and unrewarding job.

They are working on machines that can draw, there will be no need for many animators anymore, the few they need will be for key frames to establish a baseline and give the drawing emotions since the machines are not good at that.

Industries only collapse when they become obsolete. As long as there are people who want anime, there will be an industry.
What might collapse is the current model of anime existing primarily as advertisement for manga/LN/VN.

If you watched the Kingdom of Dreams and Madness you would understand what's happened to the anime industry. Miyazaki said it best. The modern youth of today have stopped trying. So there is no good animators anymore.

No, but you can expect more and more shows to resemble Kemono Friends in quality, which is a fate worse than death.

Oh boy, more sweatshop animation, my favorite
This always results in a quality product

But basically every single solitary anime created like this has been utter shit.

You can see how completely fucking garbage and plastic DBS has been.

If they want higher wages so bad they should do more than whine on twitter. Otherwise they have no choice but to compete with globalization. It's incredibly unlikely the aforementioned will happen, though, because Japanese culture is incredibly hostile and make it impossible for a Donald Trump to be born.

Your anime is already created in a sweatshop.

That's why I said more

Investors such as Netflix and other studio's will simply decide to have their animation done in countries like Korea, that is just how it goes. I mean other industries have done the same and hardly anyone speaks up to break the cycle. I don't see the Japanese doing it, it is only fans that will complain on twitter and shit about it.

That's the Philipino's fault, the machines will do better, especially in dark and flashy scenes.

Gotta wonder what will replace it though. Original anime have been shit lately, and requiring manga series to be finished or have enough material for x cours could affect manga releases negatively.

I personally don't have any bad shit with anime acting as adverts for LN/VN/WN/manga. It's just the quality and material reach (i.e., having enough story material for a cohesive season ending) that sometimes irks me with some anime shows.

How do these machines work? Do you mean digital animation?

oh cool look its another one of these threads

glad that i've gotten to see at least one every year for that past 10 years

>Anime earning shifts from DVDs and merch to streaming.
Pfft

DBS is animated traditionally, it's the compositing and coloring that's digital.

Good to hear. Only based GodAni, a studio that treats animators like humans, should still alive. Others can burn, no one cares.

Even if anime stop being mere ads for manga, they can still be adaptation. Just no longer primarily funded by publishers. Publishers are generally not that interested in making complete anime series, except in rare cases when there are strong compelling reasons for them to do so.
Perhaps if streaming services like Netflix got big and powerful enough there could be a chance of them funding a complete series. I don't know how big streaming is in Japan so maybe that's a long way off still.

>The modern youth of today have stopped trying
Or in other words, they stopped accepting being treated like garbage.

China isn't a good place for Japanese to find cheap animators and inbetweeners because unlike the Koreans, China have a lot of investors willing to invest in their own cartoon productions, especially right now with their government enforcing capital outflow controls.

The country animators are pretty much busy servicing their own industry, which is why Japan is still using Koreans.

The future is computer generated images. Give animators models to physically manipulate and let them act out key frames while software fills in.

The bulk of work will be front loaded as character design, and on going backgrounds.

This method will allow a massive expansion of the already very extensive market.

Well, that's one way to show you're retarded.

Why would you try when there's no reward?
Only a fool would work hard at something that actively tries to fuck him.

When you hunt the boar, you get boar meat if you work hard. When you animate, someone else gets the boar, no matter how hard you work.

Nanomachines?

This is pretty obvious that the industry is starting to crash in on itself because of too much demand and not enough supply of animators and time to do all these productions they are trying to do at once. Animators getting paid like shit and their environment being a living hell has been said for a long time. Along, with production committees trying to squeeze as much anime that they can out of these studios as possible.

As long as nothing improves on the animators side we are just going get more outsourced anime which leads to a rapid decline of quality even more in anime being shown. Unless, the people they outsourced their stuff too actually get good on doing animations which we know is mainly them outsourcing stuff to Korean which judging by the anime shows quality still isn't good enough to compete with Japan yet.

No surprise. Who the hell would want to be a animator? Long hours of work and the wages are even less than a seiyuu.

Kemono Friends was animated by 5animators over 500days

I think it's the same for most professions out there nowadays. Most people could do just about anything if they were properly trained, but nobody's willing to train anyone.

Japan needs to move over to flash animation.

Wrong
youtube.com/watch?v=EuoxHdZgF2M

China is making real strides lately.

The only problem they face is that their stories are kinda cringe AF. But as far as technique goes, they're getting there, at least faster than Korea.

>The only problem they face is that their stories are kinda cringe AF. But as far as technique goes, they're getting there, at least faster than Korea.
The issue is they are damn conservative. And their government isn't shy about censoring content.

>the wages are even less than a seiyuu.
everyone gets paid less than a seiyuu
seiyuus are the ones making the most money in the anime industry

Are you kidding? Japanese studios always outsource to Korea.

it's already dead.

Time to make those faggot chinks remember who's boss.

Kemono Friends success was a rare rare exception.
Weeabos need to stop being obnoxious over CGI, 2D anime is is no longer profitable, CGI will make it a lot easier for animators, they just need to find a way to make it easier in the eyes.

I think he meant "beginner seiyuus", those that only get a few lines as a bg character mostly.

This.

That new Chinese anime about a former e-sports player looked fucking amazing visually but the story is bad.

Censorship is a small part of the problem. It's the mentality. Just look at Their storytelling hasn't evolved for decades. How many Chinese historical epics or some variant on that can they produce before it gets stale.

I guess if you really like wuxia drama, that's fine because that's the only thing China can do, but if you want anything else, just forget it because it'll just be a copy of some anime.

Most anime is shit. Less shows would be good.

Seiyuu don't get paid shit either. They only make money based on the roles they mainly get from video games, drama cds, attending radio events and a certain percentage they make get off the cds they are involved in. Anime is just a promotional advertisement for them, but doesn't exactly pay the bills. Unless, they are constantly getting a steady supply of work and are very popular they are just a poor as the animators.

No one cares about they studios that arent KyoAni, and KyoAni trains their own animators, provides them housing and pays them well without overworking them.

What's that story about some seiyuu making fun of a b seiyuu by making him believe he's going to be part of some anime?

I just remembered that. It makes me think all seiyuus are grade a pompous assholes.

Anno and Miyazaki have been preaching that for years.

I for one welcome our new Korean overlords.

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If shoddy, amateurish productions like Kemono Friends becomes accepted we can expect anime to turn to CGI shit. Fuck everything.

Not always. Some of the really popular or veteran seiyuu like Megumi Hayashibara do earn a lot from being a seiyuu itself.

Anyone?

and seiyuus have the time to do all that shit because their job is so easy
animators work 25/7 making one anime and they get paid shit

Why animators are ok with this?

They're driven by passion. A lot of them burn out after a while though.

I can't say for Japanese animators but Western animators have been trying to unionize for decades to get better pay and working conditions. Problem is Koreans that work for peanuts will pretty much stop any collective bargaining power that animators have.

Not until Miyazaki dies

You can't beat the market user. Nobody can.

Passion doesn't bail he bills. And fuck the big guys taking advantage of them. KyoAni saving anime isn't a joke.

That's a warning sign already. Soon all your favorite manga will have a CG anime adaptation.

Found it.

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Voice actors can be real scumbags.

>Anime might be full CG garbage is the future
Maybe this is a good thing. I can finally stop watching chinese cartoons and get a new hobby

If everything becomes CG, I'll just read the manga.


But wait, CG manga might become a thing as well.

it's hard to admit but even chinese "people" would do better than japanese animators right now

>During the publicity and promotional campaign for the anime in Osaka, a video was posted on ustream of Ichiki along side Kanemoto. During this video, Ichiki is made to play a "punishment game" and the punishment is being electrocuted while reading off upcoming promotional events.

What the flying fuck. After humiliating the guy with a fake audition they have the audacity to force him into this? That's messed up.

This reads like some fucked up Otome game.

If Ichiki was also thinking he deserves this, it'd totally be a plot of Otome game.

Emon have demonstrated quite clearly over the last year that letting Chinese people make anime is a bad idea.

>might

>the anime industry has never been this thriving
>t. oldfag
Retards btfo.
>kaichou, our profits aren't as high as they were 5 years ago, what should we do?
>there's only one thing we can do, shinji-kun, make those good for nothing who only work 12 hours a day work more, we won't tolerate any slacking anymore!
Truly, no one could have predicted it.

Enjoy your CGI anime with shit coloring.

>using legitimate squash and stretch as an example of QUALITY
perma-heem yourself faggot

To nobody surprise, quality > quantity

If you want to feel good, they actually gave him a role in an episode.

kokoroconnect.wikia.com/wiki/Shiroyama_Shouto

Also he got married to a cute voice actress, so it all worked out in the end.

Based Kyoani. How can other studios even compete?

stay mad baby

Isn't globalization wonderful?
You either drink the corporate cum or die.

Fuck him, he's a cuck.

Animators of Keijo clearly loved what they were doing.

WWW.Working had weirdly just poor animation. They had interesting eyes and overall look, but even comparing to its predecessors it looked really boring, that was weird.

but no really the anime industry is absolutely oversaturated. they need to cut down on animation studios and merge them for more available workforce per studio

the amount of anime they shat out from 2006 to 2017 will make up the backlogs for decades of casual watching

>why are farmers ok with this?
>why are fishermen ok with this?
Because they have no powerful lobbies to influence politics like the middlemen do.

This is why voting is important, next vote ask yourself what the interests of the politican you're gonna vote really are when he gets his funding by all those middlemen who produce nothing. But don't just trust like a brainlet the first person who tells you he's "for the people".

EU is getting fucked big time by this.

deformation is an artistic tools
a tool that isn't possible in a CGI world

Animation industry has historically always been pushed forward not by some universal standards, but rather by a relatively small passionate group of people that change how things are done in their respective parts of the industry

>Disney's nine old men.
>Calarts class of '75.
>Takahata's and Miyazaki's Ghibli (and earlier happenings in Toei and Shin-Ei with their senpai's like Yasuo Otsuka)

Right now in Japan, for TV animation, "the group" is Kyoani. They don't (allegedly) treat their staff like shit, and the system works.

Other studios, like Trigger and P.A., want to follow that system, and studios that fail to do so by continuing to treat their staff like shit will eventually crumble (or at least fade into obscurity).

Kyoani fandom had made a weird turn after they start to lose the sales war consistently.

>Choosing quality over quantity

Corporate cum > Government cum

By 2020? The boom has happened, in actuality it is still going on right now, so a burst has to happen some time in the future. 2020 seems too soon, unless the olympics are the ones to puncture the baloon.

Who needs animators when 3D is the future?

Animators earn only about $2,300 a month but the real problem is salary for inbetween animators. Most young animators have to start there can be in that position for a couple of years for promotion. The problem is, wages there are unsustainable for living in Tokyo.

After the reading the article, there is one thing I don't get. How come salary isn't going up due to shortage of staff? The job market is always based on supply and demand.

Something doesn't add up right here.

>Too much demand
>Not enough supply

If this was true the animators wouldn't get paid like shit

Voting is to power what lottery is to money. Fuck democracy.

1. There are better paying jobs (multiple times better than the usual rate for every frame) Except it's Pachinko, so nobody wants to do it (no credits, unlike movies/tv)
2. Anime studios are concentrated in tokyo.
--Problem 1: Animation jobs pay shit, therefore it's harder to afford expensive city living
--Problem 2: Animation studios ask "do you live with your parents," during the interview process (you couldn't survive on your own wage). Which leads to limiting the supply of animators to people living immediately within Tokyo and the surrounding commute-able region. (approx 700 animation studios in all of Japan and approx 600 of them are in western Tokyo)
--Problem 3: There are actually would-be animators despite the shit wage, but they don't live in Tokyo (thus, can't mooch off parents while making shit wages). Studios outside of Tokyo exist, but are not very common. Basically Kyoani is an exception for multiple reasons.

Thats why you move to Kyoto and live in KyoAni Dorm.

Or to Nanto and live in PA Works stabble, while working on horse anime.

EU in general is a product of Prussiablob mentality

That's why in-betweeners are mostly offshore now. Nobody give a shit about a pinoy making 900 a month. in-between is basically an internship in Japan.

Trigger is different.

They still use cel animation and are adamant about doing only originals.

While KyoAni adapt shit and rape their digital animation with gradients.