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How's government power treating you, Steve?

Got the TV license in order?

>The real free market has never been tried before!

Stop using roads, infrastructure, and money.
All built by the government.
Fuck off to a jungle and live out your free market you deluded piece of shit.

What I like about libertarianism is that while obviously it won't work out for everyone, those who fail can't blaim anyone but themselves

free money will save everything
and not free as in beer
free as in freedom
now go die glow in the dark cia nigger

>those who fail can't blaim anyone but themselves
They'll just come for your shit instead and take it.
Also, how is someone being born into rich family in a libertarian paradise making it because of what they did? You're delusional.

If it doesn't fix things for you, you're investing wrong.

>People live in a free market, capitalist society are still poor & uneducated
That's not real Capitalism!
>People live in centrally planned, communist society are still poor and uneducated
That's not real Communism!

Hm, really rustles the jimmies.

Only literal retards make posts like these.
Why don't you read a book instead of relying on memeballs for all of your knowledge on Ancap?

Point to an ANCAP society on the map.

Under the capitalist situation people are poor because of efficiency (if you're poor it's your own fault since you had free will to choose what to do and invest in).
Under the communist situation people are poor because of inefficiency.

Autistic ideology which originated which originated from sociopathic Jews.

Point to a fascist society on the map

>People live in a free market, capitalist society
where

Point to an ANCAP society on the map.

reveal your flag first

well the free market allow me to say no to gay customers who want cheap cars?

Like in the 95% of the World my dude

Point to an ANCAP society on the map.

IM SORRY, am i considered bad because i consider peak society to be one where i can do what i want and so can everyone else? Ancap means that im gonna do what i want and everyone else will do the same. if i wanna buy an RPG for self defense i'd be able to. the free market will fix everything. what can't it solve. give me an example

Anarcho-Capitalism is literally a meme ideology

anybody who takes it seriously is mentally impaired

Why do you expect us to conform to your ideas of "society" when we are a very individualist group? Can I point to a collective group that has established an "ancap society"? No, but I can point to examples of individuals exchanging goods and such freely in a market situation where the government does not intervene, and this is ancap.

Wait, what's that... Ancap society doesn't exist and you have to resort to passive-aggressive remarks, dodging, muddying the waters, and making non-arguments? Thought so.
You're more laughable and delusional than communists. Fuck off this board cunt.

Because I not going to read a book of I should suck the capital owners cock instead of a book that teach me how to obtain my any wealth by any medium necessary, like scamming, stealing or kidnapping.

Individualism is about self-interest, I'm not rich, ancapism doesn't benefit me

Syria, Gaddafi's Libya, Saddam's Iraq. All of these regimes kept order and security until the Jewnited Snakes decided to meddle in their affairs.

Ad-hom. I'm waiting for an argument.

if the government let you build your roads and use you own infrastructures you'll probably be better

???

he made an excellent point that you ignored completely

Nobody gives a fuck about arguments
Ancapism is not individualism
Individualism isn't about who is right because no one is right according to individualism
If I want to take your wealth there is nothing you can do to stop me

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>free market doesn't work out
that wasn't reel capitalism

>governments are emergent in human social organization
that wasn't reel history

>If I want to take your wealth there is nothing you can do to stop me
have you ever seen that video where the guys try robbing the pawn shop and they both get brained by a .357?

not yours for sure kek ahmed

>capitalism is failing
>t-that's i-isn't real capitalism hehehe

>communism is failing
>t-that's i-isn't real communism hehehe

Really makes me wonder...

whatever you say cia nigger

Stop watching Terry
That schizo is melting your brain

Ancap is a meme, minarchism is where it's at.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

move to somalia then

You are next level retarded.

>muh roads

>ancap is a meme
>I'd much rather the actual meme version of it that still lets me have a state with an army and police force but never infringes on my liberty or abuses its power

vulgar, I...

and not one point was made in this thread.
I think imma pass until you trolls learn how to read a book.. maybe atlas shrugged :)

i already made plans to move in with your mom. she said i could share her room for 2 bitcoins a week with access to all the amenities if you catch my drift. it's a voluntary exchange between two consenting parties, kiddo.

You can't expect people to follow rules if there's nobody to enforce them. The NAP is as much of a meme as the idea of ancap.

>2 bitcoins
>that's like $28000
wew

hey, that's your mother you're talking about. she's worth every penny.

Exactly, give this man a cookie.

How do capitalists account for their soulless ideology playing on and exploiting man's vices to the point of total decadence and degeneracy the likes we see today? How does it account for all of its moral and ethical bankruptcies stemming from its valuation of everything via mere currency?

Capitalism is cancer. Anarcho-capitalism is turbo-autist cancer maintained by turbo-autists.

dolars is most important
me wunt dolars

free market rewards virtue and punishes degeneracy though

>How do capitalists account for their soulless ideology playing on and exploiting man's vices to the point of total decadence and degeneracy the likes we see today?
>How does it account for all of its moral and ethical bankruptcies stemming from its valuation of everything via mere currency?
hooktube.com/watch?v=WPw7nlluRdc&t=0m28s

>punishes degeneracy

Nigga it fucking amplifies it. You think everyone in McDonalds is going to eat a salad and drink fucking water, or are they going in there for cheap fast-food loaded with addictive chemicals? Are studios in music and film going to produce valuable art of high culture or anything of meaning whatsoever or are they going to produce perversion and feel-good bullshit?

if you don't want to take personal responsibility for your own well being, a length of rope can be had for 7 dollars. you can take comfort in the knowledge that it will be the last time you're "exploited" by a mutually voluntary agreement.

They forbid us to build them ourselves and then you come with this shit? Fuck you

Lies

The world's going to need a lot of fucking rope then for you to achieve your elite group of free-thinking, disciplined debaters who can always make the right decisions and have the clockwork critical thinking, Stefan. The reality is that most people aren't like that and you fucking well know it you pretentious mouth-breathing fedora.

why is it always britbongs against freedom
the nanny-state really did a number on you guys

eating fast food does not qualify as degeneracy IMO, but getting the related health problems and not being able to have the state pay for your healthcare with other people's money is a pretty obvious punishment

high culture will be produced by and for people with good taste, the masses that like shit music can enjoy it all they like, this is literally a non-issue

>high culture will be produced by and for people with good taste, the masses that like shit music can enjoy it all they like, this is literally a non-issue

The fact that you don't see what's wrong with this is why we're in such dire straits. Your hyper-individualism is why the west is unraveling to begin with. Neck yourself you worthless lolbert. Liberalism was the OG leftism.

thigg

>it is literally a non-issue that the masses see nothing wrong with something like twerking or mass-use of pornography from a young age

This is the issue: you don't care about the health of your folk and believe that the Invisible Hand will solve it all, even when it means large, international corporate entities manipulating human vice, the environment, the political landscape, etc. because it makes money and therefore there's obviously some value in it, right?

It doesn't even have to be high culture, I realise that that is an elitist thing for a more hierarchical society, but the culture that the masses engage in and consume isn't tasteful at all. It's repugnant and totally immoral, and thus unhealthy. You need regulation and dare I say you might sometimes need a "nanny" state to step in and draw a line for your short-sighted eyes.

you can't (and shouldn't) try to force people to listen to Strauss and watch Tarkovsky and enjoy it

>implying any statist political ideology can change people's tastes
I bet you think killing them is a plausible solution

Why not?

Most work the goverbembt does is subcontracted to private firms anyway

>I need government to hire people to do stuff
>I can’t just hire people to do stuff on my own

you don't seem to understand what i want at all. i don't want to kill everyone who disagrees with me. i don't want to even control them in any way, shape, or form. all i want is for them to return that favor. please, don't try to kill or control me. is that so hard for you to do? is it really that hard for you to keep you hands to yourself, or are you still mentally and emotionally a 6 year old child?

Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same jewish coin.

Individualism and collectivism taken to their extremes lead to maximum degeneracy and societal decay.

I'm sorry but I can't help but see forcing people into a certain lifestyle when their current one is only harmful to maybe themselves as something fair or reasonable. We will never reach an agreement on this topic.

>state government steals from you
>hires a construction company to design and build the roads
>slums millions of the to pay itself for administration

Profit!

Mixed economy is the best economy.

>you can't (and shouldn't) try to force people to listen to Strauss and watch Tarkovsky and enjoy it
But you should encourage virtuous culture and not perversion and decadence that survives on immediate gratification.

I don't have a problem with you doing your own thing so long as you don't threaten the collective (i.e. the nation) with poisonous elements be it pornography, drugs, or perpetual hedonism of any kind. Well done on condensing your whole worldview down to a nicely-worded, wholesome statement based on muh freedumz, I'm sure some moron will buy it. In reality what you're asking for is much of the same but with even MORE opportunity to sell anything and everything that makes money and giving even more trust into the Invisible Hand that has so often led to people's self-destruction, whether deservedly or not. You are, in my estimation, as bad as a Marxist. You both deserve helicopter rides. Don't worry though, they'll be free of charge.

I'm not forcing anyone to any lifestyle that they don't want, I'm advocating for encouragement of people making the right choices, whether through the state or not. Degeneracy will always exist, it's a matter of controlling it, and its something you anarchists can't understand because that immediately becomes "muh statism".

See, this fucker gets it. You need a balance, a third way.

>problem with capitalism?

IDS DA EBIL GOBBERNMENT FAULT

>capitalist success?

OH MY GOD BASED FREE MARKET WHY AM I SO HARD OH MY GOD I THINK IM GONNA CUM AAAARGGH

>c-collective ownership is just fine as long as it's stocks

They dont account for it. To cuckpitalists, profit and shekels are everything. To these shabbo goys everything is fine and dandy as long as there (((economic growth))) even though people are starving and can't afford healthcare or education.

>Stop using roads, infrastructure
The government holds a monopoly, you don't have a choice but to follow it. If independent owned roadways exist I would gladly use those over the shitty government roads and bridges in my country.
>money
Crypto currencies have been extremely successful illustrating that a government isn't needed for currency.

>They'll just come for your shit instead and take it.
And then the limited police or if you are full ancap privately hired security forces detain them and punish them for their transgressions.

>I'm not forcing anyone to any lifestyle that they don't want, I'm advocating for encouragement of people making the right choices, whether through the state or not. Degeneracy will always exist, it's a matter of controlling it, and its something you anarchists can't understand because that immediately becomes "muh statism".
because we can not trust anyone other than ourselves to make the decisions that must be made regarding our lives, because humans are imperfect and power corrupts, we cannot ever have a virtuous perfect leader that makes the right decisions for everyone else, even though you and I may wish it were possible.

>I'm not forcing anyone to any lifestyle that they don't want, I'm advocating for encouragement of people making the right choices, whether through the state or not. Degeneracy will always exist, it's a matter of controlling it, and its something you anarchists can't understand because that immediately becomes "muh statism".
encouragement is fine, encouragement under the threat or violence or paid for with money obtained under the threat of violence is not

digits never lie.

>all i want is for them to return that favor. please, don't try to kill or control me. is that so hard for you to do? is it really that hard for you to keep you hands to yourself, or are you still mentally and emotionally a 6 year old child?
the majority of people out there are exactly like that. if they perceive it to be beneficial, that they can get away with it, they will always take from you. it's human nature and it's one of the more rational aspects of it. I thought ancaps thought of people as ultimately rational beings

>being born into rich family
you mean the parents gave their children access to the resources they earned?

>To these shabbo goys everything is fine and dandy as long as there (((economic growth))) even though people are starving and can't afford healthcare or education.
>implying you have to support industrialism and economic growth if you're an ancap
you missed the point of it entirely

>we cannot ever have a virtuous perfect leader that makes the right decisions for everyone else, even though you and I may wish it were possible.
You're assuming that I think this and that we can have this thing last forever. I'm a fascist, so I do believe that good, talented leaders backed by a virtuous party of visionaries and technocrats and experts can make for a working society, but I don't believe these things can last forever. Nothing lasts forever, whether good or bad. But the alternative you're proposing burns bright and quick but then you're left with ashes afterwards. You can sell your family jewels for a whole lot of dough, but then you won't have any family jewels, and you'll have to find something else to sell. Do you see where I'm going with this?

>encouragement is fine, encouragement under the threat or violence or paid for with money obtained under the threat of violence is not
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, friend. I suppose I agree with what the Bernie bros were saying about 'taxation being a price we pay for a civilised society'. The only problem with tax is what is taxed, how much it is taxed, and where that money goes. Tax in and of itself is just a necessary evil.

that doesn't mean we should each be our own leaders. like you said, humans are imperfect and power corrupts.

so how can people know what's best for themselves?

As a remark, while you may make points for america, its not because the idea of a state is bad, but because your government is ancap, and use the money to make the elites (AKA themselves) richer, and spend the rest on shiny weapons.
We had an awesome public owned highway and railroad system in france. Guess what ? We liberalize, AKA ancaping/americanizing ourselves, and guess what ? It goes to shit .
Who could have imagined that using profit instead of an idea of common good as motivation would turn things to craps ? Really surprising. Truely.
Also, moron, a road is ALWAYS a fucking monopoly, because geography. You cannot have competition in geographic terms. You occupy a place, or not.
Really, ancaps are the only thing almost as retarded as SJWs.

>Sell children to rapeugees for profit

Now you're thinking with anarcapitalism.

Daily reminder that when Nixon got us off the Gold Standard he did the right thing. Paulbots can scream all they want but that's the truth

Rrriiiggghhhhtttt, and JFK wasn't murdred over order 11110.

>As a remark, while you may make points for america, its not because the idea of a state is bad, but because your government is ancap, and use the money to make the elites (AKA themselves) richer, and spend the rest on shiny weapons.
America isn't an ancap state or even relatable to such an entity in any way state, or form. Indeed it was probably closest to anarcho-capitalism in the late 1800s and early 1900s before the reforms of Theodore Roosevelt and his progressives broke the power of big business, which were further broken by FDR.

Modern America is more akin to corporatism than Anarcho-Capitalism, the companies influence politicians and the politicians directly subsidize the corporations or indirectly subsidize them by raising tariffs on goods from competing countries.

>so how can people know what's best for themselves?
they very often do not, and that's fine, but in the end they only have themselves to blame in a free society, and knowing that they are responsible for their misfortunes is way more likely to change their behaviour than seeing themselves as victims, which is what happens within a nanny-state

> Do you see where I'm going with this?
not really, but you're saying nothing good or bad lasts forever so I don't know what your plan for fascism is unless you want it as a stepping stone to freedom which is something actually objective to strive for?

All these salty statists insecure because technological advancements take away any power they state has.
Don't be sad, its still not to late to get on the crypto train.

>everything that isn't communism is capitalism.

so you don't want what's best for the people because of the force required to impose it on them, if we did have a reliable way of bettering people's lives

>knowing that they are responsible for their misfortunes is way more likely to change their behaviour
lmao

>so you don't want what's best for the people because of the force required to impose it on them, if we did have a reliable way of bettering people's lives
I'm not a retard, if there was an absolutely objective demostrably right system that would "do what's best" for every single person I would be fine with it being imposed
I hope you realize how utopic and impossible this thing you're calling for is

if you think making kids eat their veggies is utopian then I guess I understand now why you want a free, leaderless, and standardless society

Who said collective ownership needs to be in stock

Name literally one place that has a free market

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Daily reminder that federal government deficit is private sector savings and the national debt is just the money the government hasn't taxed out of us

>free markets don't exist
So much for all that rhetoric about outcompetition

Sorry if i violate the nap but I'm all for ancap up until somebody says "well won't the richest company's just monopolize the market creating some sort of govement?"