Far as I know Korea was a regular country then the government fucked up big time somehow and it split into North (communist) and South (democracy?) but what happened? How does a country just split?
Then the North pushed the South's shit way in with Chinese/Russian commie help and then the South pushed back with USA/UN help then they lost all the gained territory like retards. Then the Southern retards decided to make their largest city and capital on the border within the firing range of 1000000000000 artillery positions forever keeping the country hostage while the west and everyone else sat on their asses for 60+ years until the North got nukes.
Bravo everyone.
But seriously how did the country end up fighting each other in the first place?
They got invaded by Japan idiot. Do you not know what google is?
Alexander Rivera
just go to wikipedia and read...the country was split by ussr and america after the war. Korea didnt really control itself. It was similar to germany after the war.
Xavier Diaz
The soviets backed a communist take over by Kim Il Sung. What happened was the soviets trying to export their revolution.
That was the justification for it. The UN planned on a unified democratic Korea.
Aaron Torres
>Far as I know Korea was a regular country then the government fucked up big time somehow and it split into North (communist) and South (democracy?) but what happened? How does a country just split? It was a colony of Japan's and Russia/America agreed to split it into two spheres of influence with the assumption they'd both hold free elections and eventually merge together.
It didn't happen. The South's government was led by mostly Japanese collaborators during the colonial years or guys who lived in America for decades like Syngman Rhee. The North was led primarily by anti-Japanese guerilla fighters and naturally this led to hostilities because the North saw the South as just another foreign puppet with hands changed from Japan to America.
Then the South started going apeshit and massacring civilians who were suspected communists/commie sympathizers in places like Jeju while America turned a blind eye to it and Stalin gave Kim Il-Sung the go-ahead to invade thinking we wouldn't interfere.
We could've stopped the entire war in 1950 had MacArthur not been incompetent and actually cut off the North Korean army after landing decisively at Incheon. Instead he took Seoul for a hollow political victory and bogged the war down once China got involved.
Korean war's really neat and isn't covered much because it was one of the biggest disasters in American foreign policy and military history. You should look up how bad MacArthur botched it.
Easton Myers
>just go to wikipedia and read
I'm sure the OP is fine for CIA backed web propaganda.
Chase Lopez
>That was the justification for it. The UN planned on a unified democratic Korea. So did the soviets
James Peterson
I read weeks before the north invaded, the CIA said there was no risk of the north invading
Luke Scott
What made Korea a Jap colony?
Elijah Robinson
OP is so fucking ignorant and stupid I refuse to post anything informative. I'll just walk away and leave a meme. Everyone else should do the same.
John Nguyen
The Japs started waving its dick around in the 1890s since Korea was still a vassal of the collapsing Qing dynasty.
They launched several punitive expeditions then finally just decided to annex the whole thing since Russia or China couldn't stop them. They nabbed Formosa (Taiwan) too and choice parts of Manchuria/North China in the following decade from Russia.
Lincoln Howard
>What made Korea a Jap colony? Japan did. You are nigger-tier in your ignorance
Christopher Allen
>split after WW2 >North turns commie >North goes to war with South >USSR assists North >South gets BTFO >UN assists South >North gets BTFO >China assists North >UN gets BTFO The end.
Chase Torres
The Japanese military
Luke Smith
>it was one of the biggest disasters in American foreign policy and military history To be fair, everything that America's ever been involved in could justifiably be called the biggest disaster in foreign policy and military history.
>korea >vietnam >iraq >afghanistan >iraq again >syria + iraq again again
Alexander Reed
Any good history books I can buy that are decent about the whole subject matter? No revisionist trash please. Would be interesting to know how Japan lost all their gains and become just an island nation, like british empire who had territory all over the world including india and china.
Dylan Peterson
>lose Philippines in a few months after going against Congress' plan for defense >take credit for Australian forces fighting in New Guinea >waste time and supplies retaking the Philippines instead of liberating more important territory like Singapore or Taiwan when it could've been locked down and bypassed like Rabaul >fast forward 5 years >waste weeks going from Incheon to Seoul and decide to let the bashed up remnants of the NoKo forces escape >ignore CIA intelligence reports of Chinese amassing across the Yalu River and promise you'll be "home by Christmas" even after you took Pyongyang >demand Washington nukes China because you got BTFO >give yourself a medal of honor
I don't know why people like this guy when he was responsible for our two biggest defeats and only 10 years apart (Philippines and Korea)
Josiah Adams
>North invades the South >South and the US defeat the North, turn back the invasion, and actually end the war with mkre territory then when the North invaded >"SURE THEY WON THE WAR, SUCCESSFULLY DEFEATED THE INVADING ARMY, AND GAINED TERRITORY, BUT MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE WON MORE, MAKING THIS THE BIGGEST MILITARY AND FOREIGN POLICY DISASTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY"
You're an idiot
Josiah Price
>Would be interesting to know how Japan lost all their gains Getting too big for its britches without any logistics or supplies prepared for an extensive war in the south pacific. They tried to be play European style imperialists a few decades too late to the show.
He was an excellent propagandist and his mother had major political connections.
Gabriel Hughes
Found them on amazon, thakns
Jack Foster
>conveniently leaving out the two biggest military conflicts in modern world history
kys aussie faggot. you'd be speaking Japanese right now if it weren't for us
David Phillips
Are you retarded? They started fighting each other because Stalin wanted more power in Asia. When he died in 1953, the war ended not long after.
James Diaz
>you'd be speaking Japanese right now if it weren't for us this is what americans ACTUALLY believe
Michael Price
>North invades the South >They lose, retreat, and cede land to the South >This was a defeat for the South
So this is the power of abo reasoning
Elijah Collins
There was no way in hell Japan could ever take Australia on if it couldnt even take Port Moresby
Cameron Wright
>the US expends massive effort and suffers a series of humiliating defeats and, after all of this, succeeds in inflicting a minor concession
Bentley Ortiz
Returning to the status quo after being forced to retreat after overextending is indeed a military disaster and a defeat.
Jordan Walker
The soviets occupied North Korea after Japan surrendered and South Korea fell to the allies.
The dictator of North Korea Kim il sung then invaded South Korea to completely enslave Koreans under communism but then a UN coalition intervened and the communist forces were chased to the Chinese border. Then Mao sent the Chinese army and chased back the UN coalition forces to the border and they signed an armistice
Ryan Ward
Who won the war? The North or the South?
If the US invaded Canada, Canada defeated all our armies, invaded the US and annexed Maine, would you call it the "greatest military and foreign policy disaster" in Canadian history because at one point they'd also held Boston, but didn't keep it in the end?
The North invaded the South, failed to conquer the South, retreated, and lost territory.
Matthew Carter
>North invades South >They lose, retreat, and lose a a fuck load of land to the South >US shits the bed and gives most of it back minus a small sliver >lmao how wasn't this a success guys
American education Kill yourself faggot bitch
William Jackson
Why did Japan surrender, should have just kept the land they managed to take
Ethan Kelly
Nobody won, the war hasnt ended.
Landon Wright
That's untrue. The soviets occupied Korea before Japan surrendered. Stop responding to this mongoloid who never heard of "google". Sage in all fields now.
Gabriel Harris
>Imperial japan took Korea was a territory during it's years of expansive >Lose WWII >oops >Soviet union and US agree to split Korea "temporarily" until a good solution can be found >NK was soviet backed puppet state >SK was western/US backed puppet state >North Korea launches surprise invasion to reunify entire country under communism >America fights back as SK is almost completely captured >America almost captures all of NK and plans to make the entire country into a western puppet state >China doesn't like this >China invades from the north and fights the US and UN forces back to the center of the country >Ceasefire declared >borders didn't really move >war still technically going on
There you go stupid now read a book
Jason Johnson
>would you call it the "greatest military and foreign policy disaster" in Canadian history because at one point they'd also held Boston, but didn't keep it in the end? No, but that's a retarded analogy
A more apt example would be >us invades Canada >fails and gets pushed back >canada claims literally all of the US except Florida >whoops we fucked up and now we finish with the UP of Michigan
Jackson Mitchell
now imagine the war was still going on too
Camden Diaz
The nuclear bombs dropped on their cities forced them to surrender. The soviets agreed to help the US invade Japanese territory.
Nathan Perry
They surrendered because soviets steamrolled japanese army in Manchuria and Korea (also because of nukes). If you got no army, you had to surrender, right?
Andrew Flores
>Minor concessions >Has South Korea, one of the most prosperous countries in the world, as an effective puppet state at the doorstep of its greatest geopolitical rival where it continues to station nuclear weapons and mission defense shields
North Korea was a stones throw away from the Soviet Union, whereas South Korea was on the other side of the planet for the US. The fact that significant resources had to be expensed to succesfully repel the invasion is not a particularly surprising detail of the North's defeat.
Levi Lee
>Has South Korea, one of the most prosperous countries in the world, With a GDP lower than Ghana until the 80s. The gap between north and south really didn't come out until after the soviet union collapsed
Isaac Ortiz
The status quo was "the enemy not annexing you".
When your enemy invades you and you successfully repel the invasion, not only defeating them and causing them to retreat but actually causing them to lose territory in the process, that is a victory.
Brayden Brown
In 1985 Japan beat China in a war forcing it to give up the vassal(Tributary) status of Korea making it independent. Later on they defeated the Russian empire in another war forcing them to give up all their influence in Korea.
Once Japan was the only power in the region with influence in Korea , it forced Korea into becoming its protectorate , and a few years later they forged a document \ treaty in which the emperor of Korea relinquish all of his imperial rights to the emperor of Japan , and that Korea would be annexed to Japan.
Charles Williams
>communist >all-powerful state Yeah, no.
Daniel Gomez
Continuing a war after 60 years and consigning millions of koreans to live in utter misery under the North's regime because of MacArthurs hubris to push on to the Yalu river is not a victory.
Gabriel Foster
>US invades Canada, loses, retreats, and cedes them Michigan's Upper Peninsula
"worst foreign policy and military disaster in the history of Canada"
Samuel Martin
A = 38th B = North nearly captured C = back to status quo
No one is arguing against you in saying that A -> C was a tie or a small net gain Everyone is saying that B -> C was one of the biggest fuck ups in history.
You're clueless and can't understand that nuance. You're probably the same faggot that tries to claim LMAO AMERICA WON THE VIETNAM WAR GUIZE
Blake Morales
It was due to a request from the Korean monarch, along with American and English pressure to contain Russia's expansion into the Pacific.
Jeremiah Thomas
>Everyone is saying that B -> C was one of the biggest fuck ups in history. This, if the objective was to merely maintain the 38th Parralel border why did we capture Pyongyang and most of the north in the first place?
Gavin King
>one of the most prosperous countries in the world It was a drag on the US foreign aid budget until the mid 1980s you retard.
The Korean War ended with the US at no advantage compared to its situation before the war despite significant investment of blood and treasure.
>"the other side of the world" But also literally next to the single largest deployment of US troops outside of the US.
>North Korea was a stones throw away from the Soviet Union From Vladivostok, maybe, but the real USSR is in Europe, not Asia.
In short you're a fucking tard like all Americans.
Ian Gomez
>1985 1885
Jayden Robinson
>In short you're a fucking tard like all Americans. Well, maybe not ALL Americans.
But it's not hard to see why America fucks so much up if people like you make up most of it.
Brody Flores
A little bit different from European style imperialism since Japanese imperialism was purely religious, linguistical, and cultural, rather than racial.
Connor Martin
I think we are being baited into war. How 'bout we don't fall for it this time...
Juan Bailey
>Japan conquers Korea >Japan loses WW2 >US and USSR agree to split Korea into two countries >Kim il Sung decides to invade South Korea >Routs the South Koreans because their army is garbage >UN forces help hold the Pusan perimeter >US lands at Inchon and the North Korean forces under threat of encirclement collapse >UN forces drive Norks back nearly to the Yalu river >China doesn't want a united capitalist Korea on its border and decides to join the war directly on the side of North Korea >UN forces are nearly routed, regroup south of the 38th parallel >UN forces begin to launch counter-attacks >US realizes subduing North Korea completely will be far too costly and China doesn't care about a united Korea so they make peace
Jonathan Rodriguez
>1985 >1885
LOL , I made a stupid mistype.
Cooper Jenkins
>losing the entire united states minus the UP of MI when you had everything except Florida >"worst foreign policy and military disaster in the history of Canada"
Correct. How hard is this to understand?
Wyatt Thomas
>be a pawn of British and American millionaires like Jacob Schiff during the Russo-Japanese war who financed 50% of your war expenditure in order to humiliate the Russians >get discarded by white racist imperialists when you no longer serve a purpose other than to kill chinese peasants It was a racialist empire and it was surrounded by hostile white empires trying to play by their rules, see how you got laughed out of the treaty of Versailles when you proposed racial equality.
Luis Evans
>It was due to a request from the Korean monarch, along with American and English pressure to contain Russia's expansion into the Pacific. Holy shit you people really do believe your own propaganda
>Nanking was a police operation against rebels >the nukes happened because America is mean
Luke Rivera
>Enemy country invades you >You defeat the invasion and take their territory >But now the enemy country has sad people, therefor you lost the war
Of course the war ended. The fact that no formal peace treaty was signed doesn't mean the war didn't stop any more than the fact that Japan didn't issue a formal declaration of war before Pearl Harbor meant that a war hasn't begun. There have not been large-scale hostilities in nearly 7 decades, the idea that if fighting started tomorrow anyone would classify this as part of the same war with a straight face is ridiculous. It would be the Second Korean War.
Isaiah Gomez
Google it retard. If you just read a couple of Wiki articles you will be informed enough. Why they hell do you have to ask us?
Jose Anderson
>Defeating an invading army and taking their land is a military disaster
You don't count your chips while you're still at the table. You can criticize them for not having a larger victory, but when your enemy invades you and you defeat them and take their land, that is objectively a victory and no amount of mental gymnastics can change that.
Robert Morgan
>What is a frozen conflict for $500 Alex >i'm literally a giant fucking retard
Jesus, it hurts reading your posts. It's just rehash after rehash each time you get more btfo
Joshua Sanders
I don't think these levels of cope work like it did in Vietnam which was a hopeless affair when we had total victory in Korea in the palm of our hand which we let slip away.
Daniel Cruz
I love how you reply to all of my posts except this one
Aiden Sanchez
The Empire of Japan was forced to be indebted to Jews because the Russians claimed down to Korea first.
There is no evidence for Nanking, and the nuclear bombs were indeed done purely out of malicious intent and human experimentation. Claiming otherwise is not a counterargument to the first point. Nice projection, by the way.
Justin Ortiz
Sage this thread.
Anthony Watson
I know I'm just saying everybody had racialist empires and you guys no longer served the jews purpose when you started killing commies in China.
God, people who bitch about communism spreading in Asia when Japan was the biggest bulwark against it really tick me off.
Ayden Taylor
fucking underage t_d retard
Gabriel Collins
After the nips surrendered their land after ww2, thorny issues surfaced, notebly in Korea and Vietnam.
The Russians held the north and met the Americans in the south, each establishing their own versions of government, so commie north and democratic south. The Russians also picked a random gueurilla fighter known as Kim Il Sung to lead the north with a stalin-like impression. So they made him a god and worped history to sustain that beleif. Kim was already military minded so everything was converted to factories producing war materals, as well as with soviet weapons, the North was much more militarily competent.
Both the north and south wanted to unite again, but the US and the world were busy with nazi's, so the north attacked the south for exatcly that reason. The north gained lots of land, were pushed back to the 38th parallel, and then china entered. China took control of the situation, and in fact negotiated a peace deal with the south, not Kim or north korea, hence why north korea does not recognize the deal, and thinks they're still at war.
Sorry, drunk
Austin Lopez
>You're driving down the street one day and someone tries to carjack you >You beat the shit out of them, kick them out of your car, take their car stereo then drive off in your car
"Damn! I only returned to the status quo! What a terrible disaster for me!"
Prior to the war, the North's goal was to:
-Invade, conquer, and annex the South
the South's goal was to:
-exist
Which one of them was successful?
Colton Robinson
false >The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56): >Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
Dylan Martin
>the South's goal was to: -exist
Lol if you think Syngman Rhee had no plans to invade, conquer and annex the North you're sorely mistaken.
Gabriel Hughes
>MacArthur
The real American talent of American generals was Patton. MacArthur got a lot of Marines dead because he was Custer with a corncob pipe
Juan Richardson
kek well played nip
Ian Ward
Kenpeitai out in force today
Austin Turner
All you have to know is that North Korea is redpilled and one of the few countries free from the jews, while South K*reans are whores of Murica, also bad imitations of Japan.
Luis Barnes
Best Korea will win
Carter Gutierrez
Lol I'm pretty sure China and Japan were friends in 1985
Easton Cruz
> The nuclear bombs dropped on their cities forced them to surrender. We had their inland sea completely mined off by 1944 and they couldnt get anything into their newly gained pacific territories or bring anything back to Japan because of our submarine campaign against them completely destroying their merchant marine fleet.
Japan's defeat was a foregone conclusion and invading Okinawa was completely pointless. We should've grabbed all the land back that they took from the euro colonies and waited for Japan to surrender.
Ryder Campbell
Uh he's right. Japan whipped the Crown like a mulatto stepchild. If they didn't go full retard you would've been fighting solo against a Navy light years ahead of anything you had. UK wouldnt have been able to focus on Japan till 45 and likely wouldve just said fuck it and sold you out.
But congrats on winning the landwar against a country with an army worse equipped than the Soviets in 1939.
Jordan Davis
>I know I'm just saying ... commies in China. Yeah pretty much. We didn't want to be anti-white shabbos goyim anyway, after all we protected White Russians from (((soviet))) slaughter (if we just hated white people we would have slaughtered them), but we had to defend our empire.
>God, people... tick me off. Yeah but it's our fault for losing.
Aaron Campbell
Maybe you can write an alternative history novel where the South declared war on the North
Ayden Bailey
Patton got bogged down in Metz for 3 months while claiming fixed fortifications were a thing of the past.
Jose Price
Japan took Singapore in hours.
Justin Ramirez
>we You're not a jap, you diaspora fag.
Robert Torres
>You're driving down the street one day and someone tries to carjack you >You beat the shit out of them, kick them out of your car, take their car stereo then drive off in your car
Oh look, another flawed analogy leaving out the middle parts again.
Let me help >driving down road >fag tries to jack your car >he takes it and kicks you out >before he gets to full speed you kick him back out and steal his briefcase full of 20k in cash >as you drive away he reaches into your window and takes the briefcase back >a single $100 bill falls out >ignoring the fact that you have a series of injuries
wew lad
Parker Peterson
Unified, yes. Democratic, no.
Benjamin King
No, he's not.
Japan didn't have the manpower to occupy Australia and they knew it. Invading Australia was never possible. And, hypothetically, let's say they do invade and successfully occupy Australia. What have you got to show for it at the end of the day? A bunch of fucking dirt.
Japan would have come to peace with Australia in exchange for trading natural resources. We'd do for the Japs what we do now for the Chinese.
We'd hedge.
And we'd make millions doing it.
Hunter Parker
You told me that if Canada defeated and repelled invading American armies and then forcefully annexed land from America, this would be a disaster for Canada
Maybe take a few minutes to think about that
Hudson Peterson
The malay campaign was like 7 weeks dude. British incompetence in keeping Malaya properly supplied was why it fell.
Asher Williams
>China doesn't want a united capitalist Korea on its border and decides to join the war directly on the side of North Korea Funny thing is, China joined a war because there was an invasion threat from American forces, and bordering region (and other provinces too) was bombed already.
Blake Evans
>You told me that if Canada defeated and repelled invading American armies and then forcefully annexed land from America, this would be a disaster for Canada You're telling me that if Canada occupied the entire US except Texas but was then pushed back to Vermont this would not be a defeat for Canada.
Caleb Nelson
>You told me that if Canada defeated and repelled invading American armies and then forcefully annexed land from America, this would be a disaster for Canada
No retard, I said if Canada lost the entire United States except the UP after having had full control of it, that would be a disaster. Please refer to as you are clinically retarded
All of your analogies and descriptions of the event are A -> C when literally everyone in the thread is pointing the full up of B -> C
If someone told me that Canada took the UP of Mi, I'd say wow good for them, that's a win. If someone told me that Canada had all of the U.S. and then lost 95% of it, I would say they fucked up.
This isn't hard.
Nolan Brooks
Yup, America was warned not to go near the Yalu river and sure enough we pushed on and ignored all intelligence reports about Chinese massing on the border.
Christopher Wright
>go to vegas >start with $500 >get down to $10 >win $1,000,000 >lose all of it except $510 >wow retard, you lose nearly a million dollars >NUH-UH I WON IN VEGAS BECAUSE I HAVE 10 MORE THAN I STARTED >but it took you an outlandish amount of resources in the form of lack of sleep, getting a room in vegas, air travel, and time away from work (in the form of U.S. funding the war) >lmao but I wun $10 fag
Yeah, you sure won alright.
Carter Turner
1. South Korea killed shit-loads of Koreans before 1950. 2. Simultaniously South Korea was alleged to try to invade Japan and gather their armies to Southern area of South Korea 3. North Korea who get pissed with SK genociding Korean people started to invade South Korea. 4. NK almost invaded it but was alleged to stop marching for three days in order to collect NK supporters. 5. US started to move.