Why did the Shah fall Sup Forums?

Why did the Shah fall Sup Forums?
I've been reading about Iran a little due to the current happenings here and he sounded fairly great. (Relatively speaking)
Officially it seems that the West supported him but molymeme suggests that the State Department was full of commies who worked to undermine him to support communist expansion or something
What does Sup Forums think

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As usual, CIA niggers are to blame for the islamisation of Iran

Can you extrapolate a little
Trying to learn here, I don't know much about CIA involvement in general beyond hearing 'US fucked stuff up'

You shouldn't be learning from a mandalorian cotton picking coop forum, but here's some stuff to get your googler working
>CIA bribes, blackmails and uses general niggerdom to create support for the Shah
>He's controlled, the West's plan is to use him to counter Soviet gommies trying to also influence the region
Well that sounds reasonable...
>CIA continues to also rabble rouse the anti-Shah regime, bringing the religious tensions to a fevered pitch (a tactic they perfected later in creating the mujahideen/Al Qaeda/now-ISIS in the 80s in Afghanistan)
>Shah wins, the West gets it's puppet, Rockefeller gets his Persian oil, and the people of Iran... Who fucking cares about them amirite?

Isn't that Phill Leotardo?

>"and the people of Iran... Who fucking cares about them amirite?"
You're saying this like elites ever care about the people
Fuckin' cocksucker said I looked like the Shah of Iran

Carter's administration backed Khomeini because the Shah was no longer being an OPEC puppet:

wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975STATE163771_b.html

theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

It is fairly clear from the linked document and several other declassified papers that elements of the US government were actively conspiring against the Shah from the mid 1970s until his fall. The Shah kept pushing for oil price hikes at a time of economic weakness in the West, and just after the US domestic oil production peaked. With that revenue he was embarking upon ambitious development programmes. Eventually, the US managed to get Saudi Arabia to undercut the official OPEC oil price and therefore undercut the Shah. Revolution came shortly afterwards

The USA began distancing itself from Iran since William E. Simon's 1974 petrodollar deal with Saudi Arabia.

Also, on a funnier note, Carter's ambassador to UN also called Khomeini a saint (look it up)

But if the Shah was to be the Westerners puppet against the commies, why would they then rabble rouse the anti Shah regime?
He even got along with Israel, since nearly everything the US does there is to suck off Israel, why would they want him to fall? Having a pro western regime in Iran sounds quite nice honestly

I'm looking around on the internet too and all I'm getting is muhh Shah was a brutal dictator and so on, but that's like par for the course over there, they need strict rulers, their 'democracies' are always immediately turned into Theocracies anyway as time has shown

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>why would they then rabble rouse the anti Shah regime?
The reason we make so much fun of dumb CIA niggers here is because they have this uncanny ability to create golems. Golems that turn on their master at break neck speeds. This is one of those times, see also 1950s Central and South America which have now devolved into socialist hellhol-- paradises, see also Al Qaeda in the 80s, see also Cuba.
The real kicker is that it isn't terribly difficult to hypothesize that the barbaric Arabs you have this grand plan of radicalizing... Might just come back to bite your ass.

So to answer your question, they probably sniffed one too many of their own farts and thought putting Side B against Side A would strengthen Side A's mandate to rule once it is victorious, and they knew it would be.

fair enough .seems like a fairly simplistic answer but i guess governmental incompetence can never be ruled out
its a shame really, Shah seemed pretty based as far as the middle east goes. Obviously he was brutal but like i said before - that region just is not ready for democracy, it needs the strict leadership of dictators/firm government to raise it to the societal level of being equipped for democracy imo

Which, I'll add, is why it's hard for you and I to decide what the hell is going on right now. Are we seeing an actual grassroots revolt? Is this more CIA meddling? Is this meddling by some other agency trying to undo what the CIA did? What do the actual people of Iran want? Do most of them have the knowledge to even have an informed opinion on foreign meddling in their government?
I don't know, thanks (((intelligence community))).

Snow niggers, I answered your questions right here: It had to do with keeping petrodollar recycling system afloat, which gives USD its value largely, not your retarded Cold War narrative.

>Checkin them digits
It's certainly incompetence, but that stems from the real problem: world powers bowing to their corporate masters to effect regime change across the globe. All that has done is breed reactionary extremeism, which then invariably needs to be crushed by the mighty military of the USA (corporate $$$ to be made), ensuring the USA always has an enemy, forget the fact that we literally create them.

Starting to see the plan?

Regardless of what happens, Iranians who know the truth will remain Anglophobic. There's more reason for Iranians to distrust Anglos than Jews.

No doubt, you got that right. All about the dollarydoo at the end of the day.

im irish. i know better than to trust anglos, believe me.
interesting stuff, reading through now. im sure i heard similar things about why gadaffi got gadaffid

>im irish.
Cu Chulainn is cool. I actually wanted to read The Tain recently. Cu Chulainn's story actually has a lot of parallels with Rostam's story from the Shahnameh, which is based more on Zoroastrian mythos.

Iranian american here. I moved here when i was 12. im in my late 30s. most, and i mean most (70% plus) absolutely hate the mullahs.

so, even though there is outside influence (by us Israel) to get rid of the mullahs, i can tell you most of the people want that more than you can possibly imagine. The problem is who's gonna take charge? There is no leader. thats the main issue.

If he was as brutal as the memes say, then Iran would still be a monarchy.

The Shah was a cuck and could never do what the Assads did.

That's what I figured, and makes the most historical sense.
>mfw the teachings of zarathustra once again flow through the Iranian consciousness

yes please! the removal of the mullahs will be the greatest day in my life. but i don't want Syria 2.0 either.

I dunno, because their democratically elected leader was abducted by Eisenhower as a favor to the British? Because an American-installed monarch sold national wealth to BP? Because Mossad and CIA controlled security apparatus put everyone remotely suspicious into gulag? Because the only people who can persevere under repressive foreign occupation are religious fundies? Because molymeme is a sad stupid balding boomer?

>sounded fairly great. (Relatively speaking)
Oh, for Langley and Downing Street, he was fairly great. Not so much for Iran.

correct.

Well then, that's our mission, not letting the glow in darks fill the upcoming power vacuum.

Sereen?

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i don't understand why the neocons are backing MEK? they are absolutely horrible

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Who?

come on, the famous porn actor/crazy guy

oh, the guy who larps as royalty? god what a faggot.

This is a classic
xtube.com/video-watch/iran-multi-orgasimic-xl-hung-sereen-is-breeding-again-24063711

are u gay or something?

no (who am I kidding), but there was a thread about him not so long ago ( on /hm probably).
Plus he says he's 18, but i remember he was 18 around 10 years ago too

It's to Balkanize and split up Iran in order to gain access to oil reserves in Khuzestan province. For example, South Pars Gas Condensate field has geostragetic importance to USA.

Honestly, if USA can break its reliance on petroleum, the Middle East was stabilize again. People underestimate how crucial petroleum is to the functioning of modern economy. The USD is backed by petroleum via petrodollar recycling mechanism:

investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp

Honestly, ever since 70s neoliberalism, stuff like cultural closeness no longer matters in geopolitical policy makers or think tanks and their sponsors. What matters is coordinating with industries and ensuring the proper functioning of economy.

Nothing short of a Kacyznski-like breakdown of the technological order can stop these endless wars in ME... or maybe some kind of crazy find of alternative energy and then revolting against automobile and oil industries. That's possible too, IDK.

>Why did the Shah fall Sup Forums?
Nobody wants their leader to be a puppet

>Implying Iran ever needed help sucking Muslim cock
They're literally all half breeds faggot

>Who fucking cares about them amirite
As they shouldn't
It's Ian's are a bunch of dirt niggers that never deserved the clay they slept on
There's a reason all the great empires that stemmed from there were founded by foreigners

1. Military Industrial Complex needs external enemy to justify military spending.

2. USD needs petrodollar recycling system afloat for its value to remain high.

3. #1 and #2 intersecting creates the nightmare we see in ME with no stop anytime soon.

He was great in the Sopranos youtube.com/watch?v=5qhSANPyASE

>USD needs petrodollar recycling system afloat for its value to remain high
Not if we switched back to the gold standard

No joke, Marxists, Islamo-fascists, and his own incompetence and ruthlessness against supposed dissenters and saboteurs.
I have no idea how to begin to describe how wrong this post is. The CIA are the ones who put the monarchy back into absolute power after they ousted Mossadegh.

7th Century Arabs are to blame for the Islamization of Iran, not the CIA.

Many people grossly underestimate how critical the petrodollar is to the survival of America as we know it, and by extension much of the global economic system. Its entire economic structure; everything it does is now dependent on it. The main support for the value of the USD is the demand for it created by the petrodollar system, which allows money-printing and deficit-spending on an insane scale, without which the entire US empire would vaporise. The entire system is hopelessly dependent on debt and new debt can be created without acute effects on the value of the currency because most countries are spending huge amounts of it on oil and many other transactions. With that in mind, it's easier and cheaper to spend trillions on wars that flatten problematic strategically-important nations than abandon the system, which would also allow others to take over.

You know there is a reason why you went off the gold standard

>The CIA never backs multiple factions or dumps assets that are uncooperative or of marginal utility.

>CIA bribes, blackmails and uses general niggerdom to create support for the Shah

Wrong. Kermit Roosevelt (in alliance with CIA watching from afar) hired rival mobs to attack each other in the streets of Iran to as false flag operations, trying to show that Prime Minister Mossadegh (democratically elected) was losing control of the country. Kermit then hired more goons to assasinate Mossadegh, which they did. Which no Prime Minister anymore, the Shah (who stepped down from absolute to symbolic monarch in 1950 in accordance with elections) rose back to supreme power, the West hoping he'd be cooperative. Cooperative with what? Privatization of Iran's oil field. The Ango-Iranian Oil Company (known today as BP) has most to lose. Mossadegh promised to nationalize all the oil field, tell foreign companies and investors to GTFO, and give all the revenues made from the oil back to the people. So, he had to be removed.
>Shah wins, the West gets it's puppet, Rockefeller gets his Persian oil, and the people of Iran... Who fucking cares about them amirite?

Although the Shah's secret police could be ruthless against certain perceived "spies" and "dissenters", the liberties and humanity and social welfare from 1953-1979 under the Shah is like day and night compared to what it is today. In the 1970s, the Shah bragged about how the short skirts were shorter on the streets of Tehran than the streets of Paris. Iran was well respected as the most stable, prosperous, educated, and rich non-Jewish state in the entire Middle East.

Yes, because Nixon was under orders from the Rothschilds to do so.

>Kermit then hired more goons to assasinate Mossadegh, which they did.

Akhtually Mossadegh died several years later under house arrest.

THIS MOVEMENT IS COMPLETELY GRASSROOTS AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the US, SAUDI ARABIA, OR ISRAEL! IT ALL STARTED WITH EGGS!
The U.S. sanctions certainly haven't helped matters in Iran, but the problems were already there. Besides, all this really started when a salmonella outbreak occurred in Iran some months back, forcing farmers in Iran to kill 17 million chickens. This caused egg prices to skyrocket, doubling or tripling in price. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was the last straw to get people angry and fed up enough to start protesting not just high prices, the economy, high unemployment but the Islamic regime itself, its tyranny, its oppression, it's morality police, its spending billions of dollars it outside operations while doing nothing about poverty at home, doing absolutely nothing in terms of aid to the thousands upon thousands of earthquake victims from some months ago, and people are fed up with living under an Islamic regime in general; they want a secular state. 70% of the population of Iran is under 35 years old. The young are completely disillusioned with the backwards, Islamo-fascist regime. Protests have popped up in over 200 towns and cities all over the country. The LEAST the U.S. and Europe and other developed nations could do is show moral support for the protestors, offer them access to the Internet somehow, and increasing sanctions against Iran so that the clerical government is squeezed tighter and tighter until it completely loses all confidence of the people and more people rise. If 4 million people in Iran rose up it would be enough to cause a real revolution.

>I'm Irish
>Britflag


Whew, lad, get cucked, ennit?

Or you know, it fucked over your economy because Europe want its gold back.

im over here on business
im expanding

>In the 1970s, the Shah bragged about how the short skirts were shorter on the streets of Tehran than the streets of Paris.
So? Why is wearing short skirts and spreading a degenerate culture worthy attributes? Regardless, I dislike how you went from economics to social domain. The Shah was kicked out of power because he disagreed to William E. Simon's 1974 petrodollar deals, where Saudi Arabia agreed (look it up), and he was becoming too bold by hiking oil prices and pushing for nuclear and manufacturing objectives.

>Iran was well respected as the most stable, prosperous, educated, and rich non-Jewish state in the entire Middle East.
It wasn't the Jews that fucked up Iran, but Carter's administration and also UK. There are rumors France and Germany were in on it too, but we can't know for sure.

>where Saudi
whereas* Saudi

>There is no leader. thats the main issue.
There's the Shah's son, Prince Reza Pahlavi. He lives in the U.S. and is patiently waiting for the regime to be toppled and that he may safely try to ascend to power. If he steps foot anywhere near Iran right now he'll be assassinated on the spot.
ARE YOU NATURALIZED? If not, get the fuck out of my country.
The Shah was known as being the "Suitcase Shah", always packing up and fleeing the country whenever it looked like there'd be too much trouble for him.
>What matters is coordinating with industries and ensuring the proper functioning of economy.
So, you're a fascist.
Okay, you're. They only blew up his house and forced him to resign. My mistake.
Having gold fucks an economy? What other Jewish lies do you wish to share with us?
Expanding this DICK.
>Why is wearing short skirts and spreading a degenerate culture worthy attributes?
The comment is meant to applaud promiscuity or lewdness, more as a comment to compare Iran at the time to it's hard line neighbors who would never afford their own citizens such liberties and privileges as wearing whatever they like.
>economics to social domain
Funny, because my economics professor always told me that trade was a social act.
>The Shah was kicked out of power because he disagreed to William E. Simon's 1974 petrodollar deals
That's a big reason but not the only reason.
>becoming too bold by hiking oil prices and pushing for nuclear and manufacturing objectives.
Another big reason.
>It wasn't the Jews that fucked up Iran
I never implied that is was.
>but Carter's administration and also UK
I'd say UK more than any other outside nation.

>THIS MOVEMENT IS COMPLETELY GRASSROOTS AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the US, SAUDI ARABIA, OR ISRAEL!
You are a fucking idiot. We have seen this playbook almost half a dozen times in the past few years. It's obvious that these crowds are full of both paid protestors and western/israeli agent provocateurs. There is absolutely no possibility that this isn't the case.

>I'd say UK more than any other outside nation.
Check my post here:
The fall of Shah was largely due to Carter's administration. UK's propaganda outlet BBC helped out too.
>So, you're a fascist.
No. You misinterpreted me. I'm trying to explain the realpolitik strategy of US hegemony and such.
>trade was a social act
I'd dispute that. I'd argue ensuring the market serves one's interests is the main motivating fact now. There's no reason to even consider the social domain, at this stage, anymore.
>Another big reason.
Those two big reasons are sufficient to say the common narrative is false.

meant to reference this:

>Why did the Shah fall Sup Forums?
oil

well he's dealing with israel and forcefully modernized iran without taking its deep rooted islamic culture into consideration he did it too fast rather than bit by bit which resulted in the fundamentalists to get mad.

Khomeini was in exile in France. He made promises that he would support western and American interests (oil). The U.K., France, U.S. all arranged for Khomeini to return to Iran and believed his return would bring stability and a continuation of the status quo. The Carter administration through CIA operated to amplify human rights abuses and grievances of the people. Khomeini lied and upon his return went hard towards islamic extremism rather than serve western interests. History views the orchestrated fall of the Shah as a major failure.

>We have seen this playbook almost half a dozen times in the past few years.

That proves nothing for this time. Every event and situation is different. You can't just make dumb assumptions like that. Do some research. I'm not saying outside nations won't try to politicize or fan the flames or steer the happenings towards their interests, but this all started and has been operating thus far from completely within.
>It's obvious that these crowds are full of both paid protestors and western/israeli agent provocateurs.
The only paid protestors are the "pro-government" protestors, most of whom only left their houses to protest in favor of the government either out of fear of being labeled a traitor if they didn't do it or because they desperately needed the money to put food on the table, because, ironically, the very government paying them to protest is the entity responsible for making them so poor in the first place.
>There is absolutely no possibility that this isn't the case.
Simply wrong, because it isn't the case.

>Having gold fucks an economy?
No but safeguarding tons of gold while using that gold to boost your economy only to then have everyone asking for that gold back is going to fuck with your economy. Also the wars

This is one of the most correct answers I've seen in this thread, and it was beautifully succinct. Good job.

He was soft to mullahs, those mullahs brought his end. Also Mossadegh, Operation Ajax and the fucked up situation that came after it.

By cutting the gold standard Nixon removed the one thing that was backing the U.S. dollar. It was pegged to the gold standard. All other countries on Earth pegged their own currencies to the U.S. dollar because we were already pegged to gold. As soon as the standard was removed everything became FUCKED. Our money was imaginary, fairy dust, only real because we believe in it.

Indeed, but at the end of the day that's what America had to do if they wanted to remain the world power. Otherwise the dollar would continue to have a sharp drop in value.

>Otherwise the dollar would continue to have a sharp drop in value.

Why? Proof?

I fucking told you, other nations around the world where casing in their dollars for gold and the Vietnam and Korean War cost you.

youtube.com/watch?v=GNo7MDN5-0g

Thanks! Many of us have concluded that Khomeini used western powers as unwitting agents to reach his goal of implementing an islamic republic. A major part of Khomeini's lie was that he also promised to act as a counterbalance to Soviet influence in the region.

faggot which time?

Yup. Sometimes, all you have to say is "I hate communists and won't let them run this place" and Western powers will gives you money, arms, and legitimacy.

Islam-fascism is better than communism, right senpai?

All reasons in 1 vid
youtu.be/SnN3wVPx62Q

You gave a better explanation than me. Is it okay if copy-paste your explanation and use it for the future?

Regardless, the blame of Islamic Revolution lies entirely on US, UK, and France's shoulders, not the Iranian peoples. Will win the common narrative change to acknowledge this?

After more reflection, you're wrong:

USA and France knew Khomeini was an Islamist. They just placed more value on economic benefits via OPEC, petrodollar system, and more.

The USA has a history of supporting Islamists when they align with their economic interests.

>not the Iranian peoples
That's not necessarily true. There were, at the tie, many ultra religious diehards who truly did believe in Khomeini's cause.

US, UK, and France (not Israel too?

Did Israel have anything to do with it?

Anyway, at least the US, UK, and France set up the pieces and would later stoke the flames, but common people in Iran had to support a revolution. I'd say that due to negative cohesion (many thinking he was too western, others thinking he wasn't western and progressive enough) banded together in the streets to revolt against the Shah. The toppling of the Shah was due, ultimately, to the will of the people who showed up to protest. The placement of Khomeini to fill that power vacuum was, however, entirely done by the hands of the US, UK, and France.
Nothing he said implied that the didn't know what they were getting into with Khomeini. They thought he'd be like the Saudis, oppressive towards their own people, but liberal and happy to play ball when it came to oil and arms and making money. user's still right.

>In the 1970s, the Shah bragged about how the short skirts were shorter on the streets of Tehran than the streets of Paris
I would have supported the mullahs in an Iranian day of the rope. Turning your country into a degenerate materialist hellhole while selling out to the moral equivalent of Jews is nothing to brag about.

The comment isn't meant to applaud promiscuity or lewdness, more as a comment to compare Iran at the time to it's hard line neighbors who would never afford their own citizens such liberties and privileges as wearing whatever they like.

He was weak and cancer striken at the end, and Jimmy Carter backstabbed him for supporting opec

I tend to agree with the position that Israel preferred the Shah over the alternative. It's known fact that the Shah and Israel had a cordial relationship up until the 1967 war. Although the relationship steadily deteriorated, Israel was not in favor of Khomeini's return from exile that united the disparate mullahs and interest groups (minus secular political parties, old line Persian nationalists, and mainline intellectuals). And yes, the west absolutely envisioned a Saudi style relationship with Khomeini's Iran.

Another correct answer.

>There were, at the tie, many ultra religious diehards who truly did believe in Khomeini's cause.
Bullshit. BBC, which is a well-known propaganda outlet of MI6, was spreading propaganda via radios demonizing the Shah. It was saying shit like Khomeini will bring a Utopia and Iranians were tricked. Most Iranians didn't want an Islamist regime.

>They thought he'd be like the Saudis, oppressive towards their own people, but liberal and happy to play ball when it came to oil and arms and making money.
That's not what he said.

All those diaperheads operate the same, doncha know?

Thanks for enlightening me on the situation. Are you Middle East expert or something? You really seem to know your stuff.

>supporting opec
opposing opec*

>It was saying shit like Khomeini will bring a Utopia and Iranians were tricked. Most Iranians didn't want an Islamist regime.

My point is that no one put a gun to these people's heads to get on board. It's their fault, if not their own as individuals then the nation in general, to educated and provide enough security to the people to not be so easily swayed by outside calls for revolution. If the Shah was really doing a perfect job, then nobody would entertain the notion of getting someone else to lead the country.
>That's not what he said.

That's what I'm saying, and he agreed with me anyway:
Check mate.

This
Ive had multiple Persian Coworkers straight from Iran.
The general population LOVE the Shah.
One even served in the military and has a pic of his dad kissing the ring of the Shah.
>U.S pushed too hard with shah and we lost them
Most persians are just like they were during Shah rule, very western, with little regard to islam.
I support the Persian people and the Shah.

We must rebuild Persia and let them take over the middle east.
Arabs must be under the Persian Boot
True peace in the middle east.
Persians secretly hate Islam, they know it destroyed their culture. They especially fixate that the revolution destroyed the oldest monarchy line in human history (Persian royals)

side note: Id always fuck with them about Alexander the Great collapsing Persia, but great guys.

Side side note: They also love HITLER. They even started yelling Heil Hitler in my work place once. It was great. We'd talk about how great he was.

Many guns were pointed at many heads.

Oooh, I like this flag!

If you'll allow me to save the image, I'll share with you a creation of my own.

I've dabbled overseas. Enjoyed this discussion. And now back into the ether..

>My point is that no one put a gun to these people's heads to get on board.
They were manipulated. Who is yo blame? Those that were manipulated or the manipulators? It's a kind of koan.

>If the Shah was really doing a perfect job
He was not doing a perfect job. He became a bit too bold near the end of his reign and pissed off USA who has bigger guns.

What scares me is how the USA's leaders effectively created a false narrative that both IRI and USA accepted. It's like an unspoken rule between them never to speak the truth, lol.

jews. always jews.

>Id always fuck with them about Alexander the Great collapsing Persia

Bro, Persians are secretly just as jealous about Alexander the Great as Alexander the Great was about Cyrus the Great. Of all the controversial figures to conquer Persia, Alexander is definitely the most favorably viewed today. Just like Napoleon, despite on what side of his conquests you were, you couldn't help but to love and respect the guy with his lofty ambitions and principles and romantic longings for greatness.

>yo blame
to blame*

And then what? The revolution topples the religious nuts at the top and the foreign banks cut deals the next day? The rebels in Libya set up a CENTRAL BANK immediately after "liberation". They moved from one kind of slavery to another.
>not including despite ghadafi being a dictator he did mostly right by Libyans Great Man Made river etc

>the foreign banks cut deals the next day?

No. Iranians are anti-Zionist. No matter who's at top, they won't let this happen.

>The rebels in Libya set up a CENTRAL BANK immediately after "liberation".

Apples and oranges. Iran is not Libya.

>They moved from one kind of slavery to another.

Iran has gone through many oppressive dynasties and regimes over the years. Nothing can be worse than what they've already gone through. It can only get better.

>not including despite ghadafi being a dictator he did mostly right by Libyans Great Man Made river etc

Like North Korea, Iran is wary of cooperating with outsiders just to be back-stabbed. The only reason Iran wants a nuclear program in the first place is that countries with nukes don't get invaded. They're sitting on a mountain of oil and they don't want to be toppled. However, I do believe that a new government would be pro-West and pro-USA without being a slave to Zionism or SJW degeneracy. It'll be the best of both worlds.

Short-term alliances and decisions (and profits) that only lead to a future foreign enemy or foreign policy crisis.

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>Nothing can be worse than what they've already gone through.
I think you're a bit too optimistic.

>However, I do believe that a new government would be pro-West and pro-USA without being a slave to Zionism or SJW degeneracy. It'll be the best of both worlds.
The West has too big of a stake in GCC countries like UAE and KSA preventing it from getting as close to Iran as you're claiming.

archive.org/details/pdfy-LzPJrXY17uzk3bu9

Here you go.