I'm a Portuguese currently studying graduate level Mathematics in Germany. I got impressed by the quantity of people attending classes and actually working hard, genuinely passionate about what they are studying. Comparing the my bachelor experience in Portugal, besides me, maybe only other 5 people were like that (so, about 10% of the attendance of the lectures).
This made me sad, for the following reason: in Portugal, as of now, almost all employment is related to tourism or some other field not demanding higher qualifications. So what happens is that qualified people emigrate. A lot. There's a ominous brain drain crushing my country. Continuing like this, Portugal will never be able to develop further as a nation, economically speaking.
I want to ask you what would you do to get more people interested in Mathematics (and Sciences, or any other valuable field of knowledge) in a country like Portugal, and how to convince people to stay there for their graduate studies, and future life (and, if possible, how to convince others to come back).
Help me make my country better, so that we don't have to emigrate anymore.
You mistake was going for mathematics. What the fuck.
If you're a STEM bro, I'm surprised you didn't notice or even know that Portugal likes the T and the E.
>almost all employment is related to tourism or some other field not demanding higher qualifications Plain wrong. Clearly you' never looked for a job yourself in Portugal.
Just delete this fucking thread, it's a mess.
Eli Ross
Okay, maybe you are right about engineering. But I mean pure sciences. Any developed country worthy of that designation should have a place for scientists, good research centers. Look at Denmark: despite having only half of our population, they actually play an active role in pure mathematics, whereas, when I look at PhD programs in Maths in Portugal, I just try not to be embarrassed.
Ayden Gray
Mathematics alone are useless.
Jacob Moore
We got a lot of you Moortuguese here in Massachusetts. You are all useless drunks and fishermen.
Joshua Diaz
That it is true. But that doesn't mean it is not important. It's part of the culture of a country. Being proficient in several fields of knowledge is what made (most of) Europe the greatest civilization.
This is exactly what I mean. Even the mutt knows it. How to make my people more cultured? What exactly happens in countries comparable to mine in terms of population, like Belgium, that makes them far ahead in Science?
Angel Perry
Pure sciences don't make the €.
If you cared about the economy, you wouldn't have emigrated or studied maths. What the fuck. You're like the feminists going into genders studies to complain there aren't enough women in STEM.
Kayden Perez
At least they're not cucks like you. Go back to your college to your jewish teacher, amerifat.
Xavier Reed
First of all, I didn't emigrate, I'm just studying abroad. I plan to come back to Portugal, even if I am not able to work in the area I graduated in.
Secondly, pure sciences do contribute to the economy. They increase prestige and attract investment. That a short-sighted way of seeing things and precisely what's lacking in the Portuguese mentality.
Look at Oxford, Cambridge or American universities. They are world famous mainly because of their achievements in pure sciences. One cannot possibly expect to be a reference in science if one does not have good pure science research centers.
So, my point is: how can I, as an individual, do something to change that in my country? All the youth is only interested in football, rapping and all that crappy degenerate culture.
Jeremiah Turner
Thats rich coming from you grease monkey. If you can't turn a wrench or run numbers, you greaseballs have no other options here. Your icons here are a couple of plumbers who kick turtle shells.
Jordan Hernandez
OP, are you ?
Unfortunately for you, you'll need more engineers, and people in blue collar jobs to make ground for the pure sciences.
Dunno mate, get good with photoshop or something and start creating propaganda and distribute it wherever you please, try to get into the ministry of education or something to promote STEM. Talk to your colleagues, friends, from uni about it.
Aaron Nguyen
Sounds like you could do with a Natsoc dictatorship
Jacob Cruz
IST has a course - applied mathematics and computation. Banks hire those guys and earn a lot of money.
Easton James
at least we are not raping your women
Aiden Kelly
Nah, that's brazilian Portuguese.
Thanks for that advise Argentinian bro. It just seems so hard to change the mindset of so many people my age and younger in Portugal. It's like interest for culture and sciences is painfully dying.
I wish. I'm starting to think that's the only way I'd be able to promote values in the Portuguese people. Unfortunately, I don't reckon that system goes with creativity or entrepeneurship.
Parker Hughes
>at least we are not raping your women
I see someone hasn't watched "The Accused"
Luis Torres
We all could...
William Lopez
Yeah, I'm sure you're going to produce the money doing your pure mathematical science... I'm sure Switzerland became rich after the hadron collider was set up there, and not the other fucking way around. What's lacking in Portugal is Engineering and Technology, not some middle school fairy tail of Nikola Tesla having died rich. I can get "prestige and investement" and money straight up with those T and E.
>look at these countries that have more than 10 times Portugal's population and huge amount of investment for science and brain drain.
>So, my point is: how can I, as an individual, do something to change that in my country? Stop M, go to T or E, make something that is actually straight up productive, better the economy and watch your son being able to do the M.
>All the youth is only interested in football, rapping and all that crappy degenerate culture. Fuck you too.
Honestly, you're pathetic. You're complaining people don't need the shit you're selling, and this makes them inferor to Legoland. You're an embarassment.
Grayson Martin
>I want to ask you what would you do to get more people interested in Mathematics (and Sciences, or any other valuable field of knowledge) in a country like Portugal, and how to convince people to stay there for their graduate studies, and future life (and, if possible, how to convince others to come back).
Honestly, what you're asking for is the same thing we're asking for. No more immigration (for us) means no more emigration (for you). You can't have brain drain if there's no where for the brains to go.
Elijah King
Tem calma colega. I'm just trying to understand the differences between Northern Europe and us.
> I'm sure Switzerland became rich after the hadron collider was set up there, and not the other fucking way around.
That's precisely what I am trying to understand. Let's be clear. Switzerland (which has a comparable population to us, btw) has always been a center for science. Way before being a rich country, or a tax haven, or whatever. In fact, all that area of Europe was a center of scientifical culture. Surprise: they are also the most developed parts of Europe. So, maybe science and economy go hand in hand with each other, maybe not directly, ofc.
> Stop M, go to T or E, make something that is actually straight up productive
But maybe you're right. Times have changed, and maybe Portugal need to skip that middle step of pure sciences and try straight ahead to be form engineers (even though examples such as Singapore make think otherwise).
Não precisas de insultar, sou teu compatriota e quero o melhor para o meu país. Se achas que estou errado, faz-me simplesmente ver a razão.
Angel Reyes
Actually, Portugal was at risk of being excluded from your visa exemption program. I wish it went forward.
Cameron Thomas
> I wish it went forward. Me too. > they are also the most developed parts of Europe. It's called productivity, high-end technology, less fiscal overload, less corruption and industry and political iliteracy of population, enterpreunership plus geographic location and DEMOGRAPHICs in their side.
Nathaniel Baker
Sinceramente: O que tu soas é a típica gaja que estudou arte ou o caralho que está triste que ninguém lhe quer dar trabalho. Ela diz tudo o que tu estás a dizer. Só que pior, tu estás com a atitude emigra associada a isso. Agora pensa se este thread é bom. Eu vou dormir.
Asher Lewis
high-end technology, Industry
But also investment in industry machinery to increase productivity
Chase Brooks
>Judging a country on a rape that happened in the 80´s while their country gets raped daily by shitskins and jews. >murrica
Now tell me: what are can we do to change Portugal? I don't think just spreading the message "educate yourself" is enough. There has got to be a more radical and effective attitude to take.
É assim, eu só não acho que comparar artes e ciência pura seja apropriado, mas eu vou reflectir sobre o que disseste. Obrigado pelas tuas respostas. Boa noite.
Eli Torres
americans are so dumb lol
Ryder Gomez
You are either high as a kite or drunk as a donkey.
Nicholas Perry
Deixa estar. Eu estou a tirar Relações Internacionais. A horta e a sachola me esperam no meio do monte.
Evan Wright
My grandparents are from the Azores you cunt
Julian Cox
Portugal needs to fix its political problems first off, a leftist shithole where the two main parties will always disagree with each other and divide the country let alone the fact that people don't care enough to even vote since we had 40%+ abstention. The portuguese people need someone to lead them properly like we had with Salazar, otherwise we don't have a direction; it is easier to find one proper leader to rule than multiple people that agree unanimously.
Also having a communist party that actually exists and is not just a meme is a pretty big deal as well
Ayden Smith
Anyways, the best you could do for your country is get knowhow from countries that are leaders in your field and bring it back home, do the legwork, set a proper network of colleagues and eventually things will happen.
I'd like to do the same.
Benjamin Clark
> Comparing the my bachelor experience in Portugal, besides me, maybe only other 5 people were like that (so, about 10% of the attendance of the lectures).
Bitch, classes in Portuguese colleges are absolute fucking shit. Teachers are shit, all they do is repeat the same rote trash every single year, like they're truck drivers whose only job is delivering the same shitty cargo every fucking year in the exact same fucking manner. They don't care if the cargo is rotting, if it's useless, if it is even being received at the destination. All they care about is their delivery schedules.
And since you didn't make it masters classes, you didn't get to enjoy the absolute shitshow that is having those retards try to give lectures in English. Vomit inducing is the least I can say about those, absolutely unbearable.
Cameron Hill
You can try embassies. Don't be pessimistic, that fucking vibe makes Portuguese convinced, from an young age, that they need to emigrate. We need to be resourceful, entrepeneurial, fight for our country.
Ryder Martinez
Nunca na vida vou emigrar. Só que já sei o que vai ser. Talvez a cena do Portugal 2020 me dê um tachinho.
Juan Thompson
Prezado sejas. Sabedoria exposta da melhor forma. Amén!
Nathaniel Morris
You have to build universities. I was researching Portugal and Spain recently. Despite the fact that your countries were very active in the sciences early on, they have been largely irrelevant in the modern era of most science and medicine.
One reason for this is between Portugal and Spain, the best University you have is ranked something like #190 in the world. I live in North Carolina in the USA, and I am within a 5 hour drive to probably 8 Universities that would be in the top 100. There is no way to compete on the world stage, when you are not manufacturing thinking people.
I feel that at some level, you are lacking a sort of national intellectual pride, the people of your countries do not care to be seen as smart. This issue must be attack ideologically at the local level when children are small. They must be inspired. For this, Portugal and Spain must start producing astronauts, big name entreprenuers, etc. There must be someone to look up to.
Jaxon Sanchez
Did you go to a pleb tier university? All foreign students I know (and they are mostly German) are exactly like what you say the Portuguese are, and the Portuguese are actually much more engaged in their studies.
Lincoln Ramirez
Carnations are gay.
Jonathan Hall
I would rather be castrated and forced to eat my torn testicles than to attend an american college.
Brayden Martinez
Individually (contributing to increase fertility rate, finance churches, politically - not voting PCP and BE) and collectively - social and politically. I'm too tired to start a big text. Join the Portuguese discord. >t. inbred subhuman detected
Aaron Carter
That is exactly my plan for now. I hope that helps, but I think it is also necessary to motivate the future generations, starting now (and now is already to late). Best of luck to you and your country Argentinian bro.
That's also true. Our politics are fucked up. But the mindset of our population also contributes to that, and needs to be changed. Then, politics will naturally get better, I believe.
Actually, my professors were the best part of my Bachelor experience. I felt bad for them, for having such shitty students. But that's for Maths.
James Gomez
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Bentley Barnes
Lol, you have absolutely no idea what an American college is like, you have this bizarre fictionalized view built from this place...has nothing to do with what the actual experience of college is like
I went 4 years on campus just a few years ago, and I encountered 0 "sjw" type people or situations the entire 4 years. Zero.
This place isn't reality little kid. Didn't you read where it says all posts are works of fiction?
Carson Stewart
Little kid? I have seen better bait from dumericans.
Isaiah Allen
wtf is the portuguese discord?
Asher Bailey
Agreed. 100%.
Trust me, real American degrees are the best out there. Mathematical research done in the US is world class.
I attended Universidade do Porto. I don't think it is a pleb tier university, do you? I mean, for maths it definitely was, for the rest I don't know.
Jose Ross
You are a fucking little kid because you believe in distorted, narrow myopic perceptions of the world based on shit shoveled into your mouth by retards on Sup Forums
little retard child moron from an irrelevant vermont-sized country that hasn't produced a scientific advance in 50 years
Jaxon Cooper
Is this for real? OMG
Don't mind him, typical Sup Forums bickering. I appreciated your input.
Wyatt Barnes
We should make some kind of federation and let's gain some power on this fucking Union, we will need all the Iberians in a short period of time.
Camden Powell
>I attended Universidade do Porto. FLUP is shit, but FEUP is quite good.
Luis Lopez
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Lucas Powell
wtf is this ffs
Levi Powell
I'm taking a STEM degree in engineering and I can say that half of what you said is true. People who take STEM here don't do it because they like it, but because of the employment. That gets you the 10% attendance in lectures (in my college it's more like 5% at the end of the semester). And you end up with shitty professionals who can't do their job or teach the future generation.
The reason why people aren't passionate in what they do here is because of the culture and the economic system they live in. I'm taking a degree in engineering (5 years) and I will probably only end up earning more 200-300€/month then people who barely got out of the 12th grade, while probably having to work a lot more hours/week then them. Engineers here are produced in mass, have to work like slaves and get payed shit. The same goes for other STEMs.
Ok I took 5 years of my life to get a degree and try to use my skills to help my country improve. Will I get help if I want to start a business? No. Because we live in a socialist country. People who start small companies here have to work a lot to keep them alive. I know a guy who owns one and has to pay peanuts to his engineers. His wife divorced him because he spends all his time with his company. If you start a business here, you are a slave to taxes and you will need to use all your time and energy to keep it alive. You can't start a family or have kids because you're always focused about the other things in your life.
Then you have the cultural aspect. People who only did middle school and talk shit about you. "See? It was worthless to get that degree! Look, thanks to this new socialist program I got my high-school diploma in 1 year and I'm earning more then the guys with a degree at work!!!" I see doctors getting disrespected all the time in public. Some people still have the communist mentality, that people who are engineers, doctors or that started a business are evil and privileged and exploit the poor people.
Jonathan Myers
Quedate dormido.
Logan Watson
>You're like the feminists going into genders studies to complain there aren't enough women in STEM. What the hell? Its not like he's studying Gender Studies and complaining that there aren't enough men in STEM. Math is STEM, retard
Zachary Clark
Portugal is a niggers country, underdeveloped, lazy as fuck peoples, like Spaniards. You live mostly from tourism, that developed lazy peoples only. You will never be on par with Germany development where peoples do actually work. Is a combination from niggers/laws/expectations/work/etc. Your whole equation is broken from niggers.
Adrian Collins
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Henry Sanchez
Maybe not a federation, but definitely more bilateral colaboration. Like, in my field of expertise, we could definitely do joint research projects and exchange programs, way more than what we do now (which is close to 0).
I attended FCUP, for Maths. But I can imagine FLUP is shit, from the people I observed going to that place in the bus.
Cameron Green
We could be stronger together...
Benjamin Reyes
>Herp-derp there is no SJW plague in Murrica, 'specially not at my community college.
What hole have you been living in the past few years?
Adam Nelson
Soy gallego. No me gustan ni un poco los castellanos. Quedate ahí que yo me quedo aqui.
Jack Cox
The problem aren't the people not wanting to go to STEM. Entering grades are higher then ever. In some degrees 90% of the final high school grade is not enough. The problem is the political system that needs to change. The educational system too, that focus on exploiting people who go to STEM. People end up realizing they are being exploited when they get a good degree and leave the country.
Blake Thomas
Yes, its incredible, but I have the same sense that Spain and Portugal are two brothers who turn their backs on each other.
Landon King
You see what you choose to see, this board is like shrieking women or christian fundamentalists of the 90s, crying over every tiny thing that offends you
Yeah those people are out there, and you know what, you try so fucking hard to pay attention to them, meanwhile I go on living my life...
Cooper Mitchell
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Alexander Allen
You’ll give the people of Portugal an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you. They will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in STEM. In time you will help them accomplish wonders.
Jason Thomas
Yo también soy Gallego, y por ello tengo aún más razones para querer ser más cercanos a nuestros hermanos Portugueses. La Raya es una ínea quebrada , una frontera artificial e inexistente en la práctica
Dominic Hall
d*scord. g g/HXVqQd
Alexander Smith
Ah so if I was more like you and stuck my head in the sand every time I saw something troubling, I'd be happier. Sorry but living my life like a retarded ostrich doesn't appeal to me.
portugal is one of the most pathetic country in existence, all of you should be gassed and glassed desu
Ayden Reyes
Alternative route: import the white people/germanic descendants from Brasil.
Brody Morgan
Let's do it again ffs
Mason Gomez
Absolutely. No wonder people emigrate and that there is brain drain. I'm hopeful companies like startups will be treated better in the future, with all this WebSummit thing, but definitely we need people valuing education. Like I see here in Germany.
If I have the change, I will also try to change that. I think more colaboration between Portugal and Spain could be mutually beneficial.
Inspirational. Thanks bro.
This is fucking disgusting.
Why so?
Jackson Campbell
No conoces a estos tios. Son una raza distinta de la nuestra.
Henry Gonzalez
Eh exterminate the shitskins this time around. Theres too many mestizo rapebabies as is.
Lincoln Torres
>desu Fuck off,weeaboo
Charles Wood
just memeing tho. I'm from bestguay and I'm getting my EE degree here, after I'm done here I'd like to go to yurop/asia for my Masters/PhD, do some years overseas and then come back to southamerica to help wherever is possible in both Paraway and Argieland.
It's going to be rough but worth it, I hope.
Ryan Collins
Descendemos de los mismos grupos étnicos, pocas razas nativas hay aquí aparte de los vascos
Wyatt Reed
That's the spirit. So many based Argentinians in this thread.
Oliver Price
Los vascos son atlantes.
Kevin Jackson
dont cry because its over, smile because it happened
Lucas Gomez
Tienes razón. Sin embargo, somos todos igualmente subhumanos.
Liam Reyes
That's the main difference between the anglo colonization and the iberian one, we fuck evereyone we see, except the british slags, those are just fucking disgusting kek.
But you're right. Maybe we should killed all of them.
Brody Powell
Delet this
Jaxon Flores
Y los argentos son hijos del diós de la plata.
Christopher Martinez
Los vascos son cabezas cuadradas, y sus mujeres son feas de cojones
Ethan White
La verdad es dura, pero tenemos de la enfrentar.
Carter Johnson
Next time, we have to do it right
Thomas Gonzalez
Fuck
Jonathan Wood
Pocas mujeres se casan con moros acá, personalmente no conozco ninguna pareja mestiza, pero hay demasiados moros
Xavier Martinez
Não mates o mensageiro compadre.
Eli Wood
Más o menos, aunque tampoco me podría reír mucho soy un paraguamutt que parece esas chicas de tumblr con 1/64 navajo.
Siempre leo esto, quizás alguna vez cuando visite Bilbao lo pueda confirmar irl.
Jackson Clark
Las únicas vascas hermosas que verás serán las hijas de inmigrantes de otras partes de España, muchas vienen a Galicia de veraneo porque sus padres son de aquí, créeme que los rumores son verdad, en el país vasco no se folla XD
Luke Howard
Fuck ("foda-se") to your pic related.
Julian Bennett
Yo soy de Celanova en el Sur y quando voy hasta Vigo veo muchos pero tampoco me importa.
