What did this man do to improve the industry he constantly badmouthed?

What did this man do to improve the industry he constantly badmouthed?

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He has created it and has made the most valuable things in it.

He made it you fucking dumbass moefag

He is the man responsible for introducing fried chicken to the masses.

Make a few episodes and a movie of Lupin III that don't fit the rest of the franchise, then crank out a bunch of shit he could sell to Disney.

Some people who watched and liked his works later became part of the industry and actually contributed to it. He also made anime a bit more popular with normies in the west.

That's it, I guess.

>IMPROVE
learn to read

Is this the prime minister of Japan?

Is there any reason you think he's wrong? Anime is a joke nowdays because it's exclusively tailored to the worst elements of society, obsessives with no social lives

the creation of Studio Ghibli really improved the medium of anime I'd say

All of his shit is exactly that.

Define the terms of what you believe constitutes as an "improvement" before we have this conversation then.

Read >

Gee I enjoy catering to the normalfags of society with capeshit.

What is it? I don't see any explanation here.

He's been bitching more and more with every fucking year because he is apparently a genius for making some overbudgeted mediocre shit a long time ago. Meanwhile animators are working for peanuts just so they can draw their waifu.

I really fucking hate how people seem to have a radar that's always looking for a dick to ride.

You don't get it. Post-2000 otaku are incredibly consumerist and spend a lot of money, the anime industry doesn't need to cater to anyone else.

I admire 80's otaku's drive to take things to their own hands. It's when garage kits were at their peak, and just when Comiket was becoming more and more popular. "Otaku" was slapped to gun fanatics and model makers to fishing hobbyists and many sorts of relatively more productive hobbies. Now all you get are faggots who fill their room with figs, posters and dakimakuras.

He alongside other directors made the world see anime as a form of art and not just a thing for kids. Yesm htere were mature anime before but people neve gave them recognition as such until many years later. He badmouth today's industry because even after the effort of him and other directors the industry has just worsen, when before it was seen as a thing just for kids, now it's a think for manchilds.

>People still think he only has a problem with modern anime and not all of it

It's not modern anime from what I can tell, but he hates the escapism aspect of it iirc.
He just wants people to create from life and be inspired by more than whatever anime they watched last season.

Did he ever say he regretted making anime back in the good old days?
Also, hating the industry and the fans isn't the same as hating the medium.

>Being this contrarian

>Did he ever say he regretted making anime back in the good old days?
He didn't make anime in the good old days. He thinks it was shit by the time he joined the industry in the 60s.

>He created the anime industry
You what?

I haven't stated anything so I can't be contrarian now can I?

>made the world see anime as a form of art and not just a thing for kids
He clearly didn't do a good job of that himself, when you go into Target and find Spirited Away in the children's section and Precure on the shelf with Prison Break.

Are you blind?
It's a basic fact that any REAL anime fan knows.
Miyazaki created the anime industry in 2000 when he released spirited away, the first anime.

Miyazaki worked as an animator, artist, story-boarder, and director 50 years ago for TV, pre-Ghibli. His work is generally high quality and consistent. Because he achieved and produced something worthwhile from his lifetime of efforts, that means he must be overrated? Compared to what? Idiots who willingly join the convener-belt of get-rich-quick pandering shows? Absolutely not. You're completely blind and vehement for suggesting this. I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up, and instead promoted personal success, ambition and hard work. Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny. You may not like his material for whatever reason, but you'd better show some goddamn respect.

This, all Miyazaki movies are poorly drawn, poorly written, children's movies. Just as Sup Forums likes them apparently.

>I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up, and instead promoted personal success, ambition and hard work. Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny.
Where the fuck did this even come from?

Nah, he can eat shit.

>Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny.
Please try to control your old man fetish, user.

>poorly drawn,
everything else you said is up for debate, but really user?
you're just being salty at this point.

>he worked for 50 years this guarantees him success and we should be nice to him
Not at all my friend, working 50 ish years is expected of every single person on this planet. The amount of work is irrelevant to his talents, which he doesn't have.

Do you think people get paid differently based on whether they're drawing girls or not?

>no shading
Yes poorly drawn. Shading is one of the first things you learn in artclass.

Nothing, Satoshi Kon should have slapped his face when he had the chance.

He is like those fedora redditards that think they opinion matter just because they did the minimum effort.

He is a dumbass that sucked too much disney cock.

Fuck him, even anno is better than him.

also, lets ignore, for convenience, all the sameface

While we're at it, feet don't have just four toes.

When do you guys think the Miyazaki contrarian circlejerk will go the other way and people will start praising him again? It probably won't be until after he dies.

I couldn't possibly tell you the wages that background artists, animators, character designers, etc earn at the different studios. But it's irrelevant.

>muh contrarian boogeyman
I pity people like you.

>all the sameface
people who use this as a complain barely watch anime, most of it is samefaced.
I barely see distinct character designers anymore.

>feet don't have just four toes.
>anime
>being anatomically correct
you're reaching

I don't begrudge anyone for disliking Miyazaki's films, but denying the craft involved in them is just plain absurd. At that point, you really are just being contrarian for the sake of it.

>people who use this as a complain barely watch anime, most of it is samefaced
Not an argument? But wrong?

>feet don't count
Oh man, if the sameface, no shading and feet don't count then by all means it is extremely well drawn. Hitler would be proud. Idiot...

Basically everything on Sup Forums has to do with contrarianism. How long have you been here?

>Basically everything on Sup Forums has to do with contrarianism
except when anons suck off Kyoani's fotm show.

>muh boogeyman
I pity people like you.

he made it

If he made it then why is he complaining? Why has he made zero attempts at innovating? Improving? Well?

he proved that anime can be chill and doesn't need excessive drama to grab the viewers attention

it didn't really improve the industry tho, most writers continue trying to write overly dramatic stories even if they are not good at it

I'm not saying people can't have their own original opinions on here, I see it all the time. But the popular consensus is always situated against what the majority of society believes. Just go on Sup Forums. I'm not saying that's always a bad thing, but if Miyazaki was an unknown director that nobody knew about in the west then most people here would be praising him.

I can't watch this guys work anymore because of how strongly I dislike him, and I really like Spirited Away as a kid.

Miyazaki still make movies with kids as the target audience. But he incorparates things that adults would enjoy too, manly a lot of adult characters and backstories with parallels with things in the real world. He also makes a well use of cinematography, something that wasn't common back then and still isn't common nowdays. The ones who pushed anime for adults as a form of art were Satoshi Kon and Katsuhiro Otomo.

>Precure on the shelf with Prison Break
That just proves his point about otaku culture and today's anime industry.

Precure is a kids' show, though.

I bet there are people here who still believe that Miyazaki actually said "Anime was a mistake" or the various other images of him posted here that are photo-shopped.

>just go on Sup Forums
Stay there and never return if you're not going to contribute and just throw around false accusations instead of providing an actual argument. Sup Forums is not comparable to any other place.

I haven't seen a Miyazaki film in years, the last one was Ponyo, but I've always like his works though, he makes really comfy movies.
We need more anime directed at children that's handled as seriously as he does.
Most children's anime are just shounen battle anime, or something to sell a toy.
Miyazaki's films are all about entertaining kids with fantastic stories, and this results in a work that I can only descirbe as pure.

>things adults would enjoy too
None of his movies are enjoyed by any respectable adult. Because they're children's movies. How hard is this concept to you? He isn't Disney, he's not even on the level of Pixar.

The culture of Sup Forums stays the same for every board. You should stop throwing around false accusations about miyazaki then and try to defend the ridiculous things said in this thread.

>None of his movies are enjoyed by any respectable adult. Because they're children's movies.
tell that to the thousands of normalfags who praised spirited away and grave of the fireflies.

This
>being so insecure that you label things as "for children" and "for adults" on a fucking anime board of all places

>I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up


This. successful people are being considered evil people in western society too.

Exactly but otakus don't like Precure for its human characters or its stories related to real life issues (You have Doremi for that). Otakus watch Precure because of the idealized girls.

>Because they're children's movies
How hard is for you to make a actual argument instead of shitposting?

>grave of the fireflies.
Miyazaki didn't even directed that one.

>The culture of Sup Forums
Leave

>thousands
WOW.

>being so insecure
stopped reading there

not an argument
see I can do that too

Stopped reading because your insecure.

So you're just another one of those endlessly negative and contrarian people that you see all the time here that make discussing anything impossible. You're too far gone, I'm not going to bother responding again.

Is English really that hard?

>endlessly negative
Elaborate

He made Kiki. He was also a confirmed pedo.
He really no right criticizing the current industry.

This, guys a major hypocrite.

>not an argument
I can't give you an argument if you don't give one first. But I guess I can argue that things make for children can be enjoyed by adults since a long time. WIthout going too further a lot of books for children are considered true pieces of literature: Alice in Wonderland, The hobbit, The treasure Island, even the fairy tales recompiled by the Green Brothers, they could seem very adult now they were made for children originally.
So Miyazaki main audience being children doesn't detriment their artistic values.

honestly he was a part of the industry in name only, his movies targeted a general audience while most anime studios targeted niche audiences of shut-ins or children

These two guys were talented artists and started their own business. I respect them for it, even if I may not enjoy everything they have produced. Sup Forums will call them talentless hacks for this.

Read >Why has the grammar of the average user on Sup Forums declined so much recently? This isn't a single time occurrence either, I am noticing it in literally every post of yours.

Not your safe space.

I actually have a cold. That's why my grammar is so shitty tonight.

Your two statements are slightly contradicting, are they not?

He legitimized anime by making movies that the average person could easily watch.

So you when some one finds out you like anime you can easily say yeah i love Ponyo, instead of saying something like I love 14 year old nazi girl panties.

Holy fuck so you are from MAL lmao

Also it is my safe space get it through your retarded outsider skull already

Literally stop posting you sack of shit.

While obviously they are. I think MAL loves Miyazaki movies so I'm still not sure how that would make a difference.

I lost interest though. Stupid thread. Not nearly as good as the one we had the other day.

I like how Miyazaki threads don't even pretend not to be 100% shitposting threads anymore.

>it's shitposting because it's a different opinion than mine

I'm going to be skip his comments about the kind of people that watch anime and focus primarily on the complaints about how cheaply made and consumerist anime is and has been since the 60s.

His own projects are made without any intention to sell things other than itself and without skimping out on animation just to save a few bucks. Basically, the exact opposite of most anime.

Now, does this fix the problems of the industry? Hell no. The problem is much bigger than any one person can fix and not everybody has the conviction to make what they want, consequences be damned.

Not sure what to think of him. I can respect the work he's done(even if i didn't like every single thing).
What he's said about the current industry isn't totally wrong, I guess. Not like one person can fix it anyway.

Kill yourself Famicom.

Not so much a craft when you realize his animation team consists of 600+ people and he literally can't do jack shit without them.

Yes.

>But he incorparates things that adults would enjoy too, manly a lot of adult characters and backstories with parallels with things in the real world.

Have you not watched a single family movie? For fucks sake even a sitcom like Full House has more for both kids and parents to enjoy that is more relevant to life than a Miyazaki movie.

>He also makes a well use of cinematography, something that wasn't common back then and still isn't common nowdays.

Cinematography has been used since the beginning of anime you fucking twat. In fact the reason anime is still even being made nowadays despite its piss-poor budget is because lots of cinematography techniques are used to hide the lack of animation (i.e. panning shots). Most famous example being the Eva TV series.

Miyazaki movies are notable not because of the cinematography, but because of the animation quality and general smoothness of movement that doesn't need heavy amounts of cinematography to hide it.

Why are all Miyazakifags so fucking stupid?

not him but he said "made well use of". Just using some simple techniques to hide your bad animation is not an effective use of cinematography.

So basically, the only director you respect is that guy that made Midori all on his own.

My point is that Miyazaki's usage of cinematography is nothing to write home about and using cinematography is not only desired but absolutely required in the realm of anime. Miyazaki's stuff is cinematic but not because of the cinematography, but because of the animation quality. He's not special at all in that regard.

he gave a bunch of clouds hell the other day

I respect animators and directors whose individual voices still shine through despite working in the shithole that is the anime industry. Miyazaki is an old fart who lives in an ivory tower where he controls everything and doesn't have to deal with any of the restrictions that far more talented people toiling away right now in the anime industry have to live with on a daily basis. And yet he has the gall to shit on these individuals because they don't have the same luxuries as he does.

Anno may have talent, but it doesn't stop him from being a hack.

Who cares about this old fuck when we got based Shinkai now?

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