I just watched the Andy Warski livestream with Sargon n' pals and it really got me thinking. And as someone who comes from a opposing perspective concerning the white ethno state idea. I believe this was a good simple question that neither, Richard, JF or Woes could answer properly, but maybe you can Sup Forums:
Are white Muslims allowed in your white ethno state?
And of course if you say no, than you know what this entails. You're forcing a "white" ideal onto your own people, this causing the oppression of the people you claim to want to protect. Second, if you're plan is to force them out than you've technically already failed at maintaining your desired white ethno state.
Jackson Nelson
Shameless self bump.
Xavier Phillips
"oppression" means "prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority". if you're going to discriminate via race you may as well discriminate via religion, i dont see anything wrong with that at all. who said the white ethnostate fails if white muslim converts gtfo?
Ethan Bell
Sure it would be white ethno state with in itself. But ethno states are usually considered "homelands" for certain people. So forcing out white Muslims would go against the idea of the ethno state entirely because at that point it wouldn't be a home for whites regardless of the ideas they hold, they would have to be a certain kind of "white" just be accepted.
James Gomez
It's a white Western ethno-state. Islam is antithetical to Western thought (and scientific thought, for that matter) and thus has no place in such a state.
Charles Morales
i think you and me both know that identitarians want not only a white ethnostate, but for it to be CHRISTIAN as well. its an attempt to reconstruct europe as it was before all the multiculti detritus started to flood our political discourse, and that definitely means making it christian. though now that you bring that up i do have concerns about religious countercultures that could possibly cause tension. lets see what the group consensus is when we reach that topic, its a lot of years in the making
Nicholas Price
why are whites balding chinlets?
Jordan Sanders
Well that came sooner than expected. Thank you.
All I ask is that you'd be a bit more specific about what you're asking for.
Camden Foster
Would gay whites be allowed?
Mason Bennett
Allowed to live? No.
Brody Wilson
this
Owen Foster
It's a question sure but how many Muslims are white? And what would make them even want to go to a white ethno state
Nathaniel Price
No. Neither are communists and those who believe raping a child is okay.
Robert Ortiz
White ethno state implies Christian Western Europeans, the foundation of such thought in the first place.
Josiah Perry
But why not? Their white and western by every means. Unless you're willing to debate the notion of being gay isn't "western" some how. It isn't, it's more or less natural as far as I'm aware.
Carter Russell
just because two defected male animals fuck eachother doesnt mean you should try to emulate that
absolutely no gays allowed.
Kevin Scott
Look at the history of Western Europe (and the world for that matter), faggotry has been looked down upon almost universally. There's a reason for that, it does nothing to improve the standing of society or the state. And don't cite Greece, even they looked down on getting dicked.
Personally I wouldn't be hanging fags from rooftops or making their behaviour illegal but that would change if they started trying to push for gay marriage, indoctrination of our children or anything else antithetical to a moral society.
Samuel Watson
The way I look at it they could be there but the country will be mostly right/libertarian leaning people in a state where discrimination is completely fine. So if say a white Muslim decided to live there where would they pray who would be friends with them would an employer cater to their religious needs would they even hire them what will happen when the restaurants aren't halal. I mean a white Muslim could live there but they'd hate it and either leave or convert
Adam Walker
>Defected I'd argue no. Gay's actually out preform their heterosexual counterparts on IQ tests. Also, I'm not say it should be propt up. My only question is why aren't white, western gay individuals allowed in a white ethno state? It's not like gay white people don't exist.
Ian Thompson
Same reasons jews are parasites
Dylan Bell
Because of gibs and because islam is a conquering political religious system
World domination
Caleb Collins
The ethnostate wont be for all whites. Islam considers itself a universal religion and seeks to convert the globe. If you have chosen to be a Muslim you have chosen against concepts like the ethnostate.
Cameron Wood
Yes but heterosexual white men, are discriminated upon in favor of women and brown people
Also jews.
So its normal we are behind.
Fucking kikels
Lucas Jones
But their white and western as far as you and I know. I'm not implying that anything regarding legislation should be done, that's a different topic. It's just a simple yes or no question. Which quite should be very easy to answer of you want to maintain consistancy.
Sebastian Morgan
Exactly.
Muslims belong in the sand countries with the sand people, smelling the farts of the guy praying in front of you
Aaron Rogers
>muslim there are no white muslims. you are born into it and anyone who claims to be a muslim and is white is lying, a convert (worse than muslims) or bending over backwards for a sweet brown fucking.
James Baker
islam is an aggressive arab centric/supremacist religion. That is reason enough to prevent any muslim of any race into a western country let alone a white ethnostate.
Jacob Jones
Its time for jews to go to israel
Israel is kicking out immigrants
We need to do the same
Trumps administration is filled with jews btw
Explain that trump cucks
Grayson Parker
Jews, Gays, Hedonism... All of that shit is european in nature
Justin Peterson
Yes it is.
Alexander Torres
I'm not talking in the context of this society but for a Western, White entho state. No one said anything about niggers or wimminz.
Caleb James
I mean if the they gave up Islam, I don't see why not. There are a fuck ton of Persians and Pashtuns who are doll completely white (out of the 100,000,000 of them in Central Asia ~1-5 million are probably still totally aryan and not mongrelized). That's a lot of white people, and we need those numbers
Jace Clark
Jews are not european They are satanic just like sexual deviants
Fuckoff shill
Isaiah Martinez
You said they have higher iq
Well jewish nepotism gets them to ivy leave schools They are over represented
Jews back each other Its time we do the same and get rid of traitors and leeches
Time for jews to head out to israel
Jackson Young
Yes, in small doses, since Islam is inherently Arab supremacist.
Brandon Wood
You cant give up islam
Its like getting poZed
Brandon Johnson
We aren't talking about Jews, we're talking gays. But if I should answer, I don't really have an opinion on that, but I could care less. Plus I'm not exactly a Trump fan.
Sebastian Sullivan
why would a moslem, white or black or whatever, want to live in a white ethnostate anyway? just fuckin leave.
Aaron Fisher
Ethnostate=ethnically unified state. Ethnicity is more than race.
Blake Murphy
I think there is a limit to how much we should be discussing this
Mental gymnastics bs
The plan is simple No jews No nogs No mooslims
Lucas Torres
No. I don't care. Wtf are you on, faggot? Are you seriously this fucking stupid? Are you mentally incapable of visualizing something that has been done for millenia? Go kill yourself, faggot. You are not an intellectual. You're too stupid to be so smug.
Easton Sullivan
You definitely can give up Islam though. It's not like Judaism where it's ethnic/racial. Islam is a religion/ideology, it can be given up. Being a kike can't, it's genetic (in like 95%+ of Jews at least)
Jayden Perez
Well since, no one else is able to answer this question I guess I'll ask you:
Are white western gay individuals allowed in the white ethno state? Just tell me yes, to maintain consistency.
Aiden Stewart
Just look up what Hitler did if you want to know what’s going to happen faggot.
Parker Morales
Depends on the ethnic basis of the state. I'd argue based on western history, homosexuality has always been tolerated to some degree or another, so sure.
Jonathan Stewart
>Well since, no one else is able to answer this question
I answered it
It seems like you decided no one would before you asked it
For the second question- yea
Ryan Wilson
No, I have a pretty good idea of what's going to happen. All I'm saying is that Sargon is right about the eventual culturally white purity test.
Dominic Martinez
Thanks for the answers. Question #3: What if a collective decides that white gay's should not be allowed in the ethno state? Would you protect those individuals? Or will you follow the majority?
Lucas Hall
This also Only if they are useful and stay in the closet about their bullshit. Openly gay culture within a society leads to ruin. I don't agree with homosexual marriage either because it isn't "marriage". The term "civil union" is much more appropriate for a same sex couple. Marriage is and always will be a religiously founded institution and keeping traditions like that are the only way a white society will survive.
Colton Garcia
Who the fuck cares about Islam and fags? Fags are fine on the whole, and Islam is Semitic as fuck. Culture is downstream from race, so even if there were a few edgy white Muslims (as we have today), it would never catch on for real.
>a collective be more specific But, if it was put to a vote, what are you going to say about the result? Demand a recount? If the public don't want it, they don't want it.
Stop helping this asshole with his homework.
Luis Myers
What is the collective, and why are you assuming there is one?
Wyatt Sanchez
>I'd argue no. Gay's actually out preform their heterosexual counterparts on IQ tests. Please fucking die and take that cherry picked bait with you
Xavier Brooks
Threadly reminder, China is a fascist ethnostate, and it sucks.
Matthew Thomas
>Are white Muslims allowed in your white ethno state?
Yes and no.
A white ethnostate implies ethnic and cultural homogeneity. Maybe the white muslims can have their own ethno-caliphate? But a secular, western, white society could not tolerate Muslims to any great degree if at all as it would disrupt that homogeneity.
Cameron Martinez
Have you been there? It's not bad. The pollution is shit, but I doubt it will still be an issue in 15 years.
Gabriel Rodriguez
What are they fighting about? A chin?
Gavin Scott
I've been there. I did not want to stay.
Brayden Parker
I can understand your answer as a whole, but: >Openly gay culture within a society leads to ruin. Well there is no evidence of this of which I can see. Unless you prove otherwise. Also, wouldn't that be oppressive to the people who want to practice their lifestyle openly? Sure you may not agree with it, but shouldn't they be free as western white gay people to express themselves?
As collective, I mean a political group. What if a group of people with notable power suddenly decided that being gay and it's lifestyle, goes against being white?
Because I don't expect for every person in this western white ethno state to have the same opinion on everything.
Gavin Jenkins
White ethnostate = no jews, muslims, open homosexuality, women in leadership, or degenerate bullshit.
Caleb Williams
It is human nature that the vast majority of a populace will conform in thinking to that which the leading cultural, intellectual institutions espouse. Are self-destructive post-modern ideals "forced" on white people, or do they adopt them naturally as a result of Jewish institutional control? Does the distinction really matter, seeing that the result is the same? What it does show though, is the value in social planning. In Oswald Spengler's ideation of race, it is a consequence of both blood and soil. The soil part of the equation is how the macrocosmic environment effects and forms the human soul, which is expressed in culture. Race is an expression of both blood and soil: common inheritance and common experience. Culture, furthermore, is an expression of genetics: shaped by inheritable IQ, time-preference, hormonal differences, etc. BUT culture also influences how that blood continues to develop. In the Spenglerian sense, culture is a continual becoming, both the expression of and the continued expressor of race. Spencer was essentially articulating basic Spenglerian views of race. Both blood (genetics) and soil (environment) create race. In other words, culture is an expression of race, but also influences how race continues. This is because culture defines how we interact with that environment, and thus what factors are selected for evolutionarily. Race is what we inherited, culture defines what our progeny inherits racially, as race, like life, is a creative process
Samuel Collins
>filename Gave me a giggle m8, good to see there are other /o/tists here