A quick rundown of Sargon's entire argument

Literally every second point this Quadroon made was a Straw-man of Spencer. Here's a very accurate gestalt of what he had to say for the first hour:

>WHY ARE YOU CALLING MY PILPULLING AUTISTIC ABSTRACTION RICHARD SPENCER? I'M A SKEPTIC LOGIC HEAVYWEIGHT, FEEL MY ETHOS BUCKO; YOU JUST CAN'T COMPREHEND MY NITPICKING, RACIST.

>I’M VERY WELL READ ON THIS, YOU AREN’T INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE. I DON’T NEED TO GO INTO IT, NEXT POINT.

>JEAN FRANCOIS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE STREAM BECAUSE HE'S MAKING COGENT POINTS WITH SCIENCE THAT SUPPORTS RICHARD SPENCER'S ARGUMENT, WHERE ARE MY ACADEMICS? PLEASE RESPOND.

>UNLESS PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY ATOMIZED, AND HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE TO THEIR FRIENDS, FAMILY, COMMUNITY, SOCIETIES AND COUNTRY, INDIVIDUALISM CANNOT BE SUCCESSFULLY ACHIEVED.

>BEING PROUD OF YOUR FAMILIES AND PEOPLES HISTORY CANNOT BE ALLOWED, EVERY PERSON MUST BE DEPRIVED OF THEIR HISTORY AND ANCESTRY IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY ESTABLISH THE INDIVIDUAL STATE.

>IF THE JEWS ARE WHITE AND ARE ABLE TO SLIP THROUGH YOUR ETHNOBARRIER, YOUR ENTIRE STATE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY FAIL.

>BECAUSE SOME BLACKS, ASIANS AND HISPANICS ARE LIGHT IN SKIN TONE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR FACIAL STRUCTURE AND OTHER IDENTIFYING TRAITS, THEY COULD PASS AS WHITE AND ENTER THE STATE, THEREFORE IT WOULDN'T WORK.

>WHAT IF YOU NEED TO USE FORCE OF SOME KIND TO SEGREGATE YOURSELF INITIALLY? IT'S COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIABLE IN MY ETHICAL FRAMEWORK, THEREFORE IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

>ISRAEL IS ALLOWED TO EXIST AS AN ETHNOSTATE FOR THE JEWS, AND I SUPPORT IT AND ITS PRESERVATION, BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH A PARALLEL STATE FOR EUROPEANS, BECAUSE IT’S AGAINST MY BALKANIZED INDIVIDUALISM, COLLECTIVIST!

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>BECAUSE THE CONCEPT OF THE FAMILY UNIT DIDN’T ARISE FROM HOMO HABILIS AND HOMO ERECTUS IN STONE AGE EUROPE, CONTEMPORARY EUROPEANS MUST BE POLYGAMOUS NOW, FAMILIES CANNOT EXIST BECAUSE EUROPEAN CAVEMEN DIDN’T THINK OF IT FIRST, CHECKMATE HOMO SAPIEN.

>UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE WITH MOLECULAR GENETICS WHICH MILLIONS OF GENES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE DISTINCTIVE ETHNIC EUROPEAN PHENOTYPES, YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT WHITENESS ACTUALLY EXISTS, THEREFORE IT DOESN'T - CHECKMATE.

>SHUT UP MILLENIAL WOES, I DON’T NEED TO ANSWER IF LAURENCE FISHBOURNE IS WHITE OR BLACK, BECAUSE I ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT WE NEED EXACT GENES TO PROVE SOMETHING AS OBVIOUS AS SKIN COLOUR EXISTS.

>SHUT UP RICHARD SPENCER, IT DOESN’T MATTER IF PEOPLE HAVE LITERALLY DONATED $200 IN THE SUPERCHAT AND WANT THEIR POIGNANT QUESTIONS ABOUT MY ARGUEMENTS ADDRESSED, I DIRECT THIS DISCOURSE NOW, NOT YOU!

>SHUT UP RICHARD SPENCER, LOCKE’S CONCEPT OF THE STATE IS A PERFECT IDEOLOGY, AND IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW IT TRANSLATES PRAGMATICALLY INTO THE REAL WORLD WITH MULTIETHNIC PEOPLE, I ONLY EXIST IN ABSTRACTIFICTION.

>SHUT UP JEAN FRANCOIS, PEOPLE AREN’T DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY PRIMAL URGES THAT ARE ROOTED IN THEIR INNATE BIOLOGY TO SURVIVE AND REPRODUCE, THEY ARE DRIVEN SOLELY BY ABSTRACT CONCEPTS, BECAUSE SOME IDEOLOGUE I QUOTED FROM 500 YEARS AGO SAID SO.

>THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CONCEPTS IS INCREDIBLY NUANCED, BUT I WON’T EXPLAIN HOW. THESE TWO CONCEPTS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT I WON’T EXPLAIN HOW. I’VE READ A LOT INTO THESE THINGS, THEREFORE WHAT I JUST SAID IS CORRECT, BUT I WON’T EXPLAIN HOW.

>I’VE LEARNT ENOUGH FROM THE RESPONSES I GOT TO KNOW WHAT I’M DEALING WITH, SO I’M GOING TO BOUNCE.

>SHUT UP RICHARD, IT DOESN’T MATTER IT HIERARCHIES ARE NATURAL CONSTRUCTS THAT ARISE FROM OUR BIOLOGY, UNLESS WE HAVE COMMUNIST STYLE EGALITARIANISM, WE CAN NEVER BE TRUE INDIVIDUALS.

>NATIONS MUST ALLOW THE FREE TRAVEL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE SOVERIGNTY OF THEIR NATION STATE INSIDE, AND ALLOW THEM TO SUBVERT THEIR DEMOCRACY, CONTROL PUBLIC DISCOURSE, AND MANUFACTURE PROPAGANDA, BECAUSE AS AN INDIVIDUALIST EGALITARIAN, THE NATION CANNOT COLLECTIVELY ONLY REPRESENT THE MAJORITY, BUT MUST CATER TO EVERY MINORITY.

Richard shills nuttier because their thought leader just got BTFO.

Jew mad?

Very much the opposite m8.

Nope. I'm a /sci/entist who has been following Alt Hype and JFG for years now, and I was really interested to see how the King Skeptic would address the scientific arguments of the Alt-Right. I took notes of everything Sargon said whilst editing that BLACKED.COM picture of him.

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT E CELEBS

stop posting this shit it doesn't matter

Anyone got a link to the full thing?

I really tried to watch the stream with an objective lens, Sargon kept trying to pin Spencer as a right wing sjw, and Spencer kept speaking too much altogether. He should let M Woes speak more

This.

Isn't Richard Spencer a zionist?

Yes fellow goyim I mean user lets keep watching Tella Vee uh a no I mean Television.

>How smart Richard Spencer thinks he is.

>How smart he actually is.

>One of the biggest platforms with one of the bigges speakers about politics doesn't matter.

What colour am I thinking of?

What's that? You don't know? RACISTS BTFO!!!!

This is his entire argument.

>I'm well read on this, don't need to go into it, next point
That's where if I were the "guest", I say bye bye and hang up.
Believe what you will, but arguing out of arrogance is like pulling the foundation out from underneath your ivory tower.
Can't possibly take anyone who says such things seriously.

Damage control thread. Sargon was amazing

Literally reached the #1 livestream worldwide on youtube you fucking mong

This is his entire channel now. He makes fun of SJWs and now is trying to create more of them so he has more low hanging fruit to attack.

I believe he dislikes jews. But he thinks Jews should have their own ethnostate
rinse and repeat for every race.
He isn't very smart but hes consistent on that

This is basically just a right wing version of Hollywood celeb culture

Its retarded

I am listening to this right now and all I hear is Sargon making an argument and then we he hears the response he goes "I am NOT making that argument for god sakes! ugh! Jesus Christ!" and it's just like "dude, you ARE making that argument, wtf?". he must be emotional or something.

Then why is nobody really caring about it? Wake me up when it reaches Twitch's front page.

Sargon just can not really argue unless it's low hanging fruit.

Fairly accurate. I lost all remaining respect for him that I didn't even know I still had.

Most of us don't like Richy S because he's a lightweight and kind of a nutty moron.

wtf do you want a streamy or something, you gigantic faggot

kek

like I disagree immensely with Richard Spencers authoritarianism, but watching this it's just really retarded on the part of Sargon. like you want to talk about stuff? cool, talk about it. don't be an overly emotional tool.

I mean Spencer is fucking arguing AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH it shouldn't be hard to win this discussion on Sargons part but frankly at the end of the day he is pretty much an anti-white these days, and that's why he's gone off the deepend in this discussion and many others on this channel recently.

it was kinda painful to watch. sargon got fucked hard.

He doesn't understand that redhead is someone whose hair is red or one of the various shades of red?

>Spencer is fucking arguing AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH

he's saying all societies draw the line somewhere and he would be no exception

>lets become political active by not going into media
I dont have a brainlet picture small enough for you, so maybe just try to imagine a pixel or something

When I hear Sargon's voice, I want to lynch him. Is that wrong?

everyone knew it was black right?

I mean his words speak for himself bro he was openly arguing against freedom of speech and he didn't deny that when pressed. if you want to try to gaslight for him that's fine. interesting that you will try to change his position when he holds true and doubles down on it.

look you've got a national bolshevik flag up, so obviously you're a major authoritarian. it is what it is. if that's what you believe that's your prerogative. obviously most people obviously don't want to live in a world like that. personally I'd love to live in an ethnostate where everyone looks like me and I just have that "home" feeling of being around my people. but the rest of his ideas to me just are not appealing. and probably the ideas that you and other people like you have too.

I love his whimpy whispering voice in the microphone as he scolds you with his superior intellect, this Sargon person

*openly arguing against free speech absolutism

quote him accurately or not at all, you're the one gaslighting him.

>personally I'd love to live in an ethnostate where everyone looks like me and I just have that "home" feeling of being around my people

I am telling you right now there is zero way to achieve what you want without violence, so stop pretending that violence is a universal bad.

If someone is sitting there saying "I have been censored but I actually support state censorship and don't think people should have the right to free speech" and that is your open position you should not be interrupting them and acting the way Sargon did. You should be letting them talk. Let them talk their ear off. That position implicitly speaks horribly for itself. Sargon managed to get emotion, toss in his anti-white rhetoric, and end up "losing" in a conversation that should have been pretty fucking hard for him to lose.

Personally after watching tonight, Spencer is 100% controlled opposition in my view. I never took it that serious when people said that but my god he is genuinely a socialist, big government, government shill.

>quote him accurately or not at all, you're the one gaslighting him.
well I did quote him accurately and you don't get to control what I do either way, so that's too bad for you I guess.
And saying "oh no it's just 'free speech absolutism" is just an Orwellian jigging of the words on your part (and Spencers). In fact, he was extremely clear that he wanted to further cut down on and curtail free speech. so we aren't talking about "threats of violence" or "child pornography" or anything like or any of the other arguments that were being thrown around. He was specifically talking about the fact that he believes speech that is currently legal in the US should be illegal and WOULD be illegal under his ideal ethnostate rule. So you really no have leg to stand on in this debate and I don't know why you would ever choose this hill to die on. It was what it was. Spencer believes what he believes. Deal with it. If you support him after that, that's your decision, not mine. Good luck with your stuff I guess.

Styx managed to win the night and he left early and talked half as much.

Memetic warlock powers.

Hitler would surely have had a YouTube channel...

No. It's pompous and he thinks it makes him sound like an educated aristocrat.

>locke
uh.... it's Low Key

Universality is clogging your brain.

Supporting constraints on group x isn't hypocritical "because you're not also advocating those constraints on your own group". The whole point is to ensure a good can thrive and a bad can be stamped out. Partiality is open here and there probably offends and terrifies you but I have no problem with it. I am not a hypocrite for advocating violence against my enemies because I should also need to advocate violence against myself, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

>Spencer is 100% controlled opposition in my view

That's because you still believe in the fake enlightenment nonsense that the US was founded on. Me and Spencer are both post-America and we don't believe in these bullshit ideas. This is what authentic opposition looks like. You want him to be another liberal who toes the line and waves the flag and supports free speech, well he fucking isn't. Go and listen to Glenn Beck if that's what you want.

I literally honestly 100% believe that seditious speech should be criminalized. The state has a right to ensure its own survival by cracking down on its own internal enemies. If it cannot do this, it will not survival. This is absolute basic statecraft. You're a Sargon-tier liberal shill who believes we need to tolerate OUR OWN ENEMIES INSIDE OUR OWN BORDERS because you're too much of a pussy to advocate punishing them. You're a fucking cuck.

I should really take the NazBol flag off when I defend Spencer, it makes him look so bad lol

I'm not a nazbol, I swear

no now you are strawmaning me and projecting the arguments that Sargon and Vee made onto me. I didn't make any argument about hypocrisy at all. I understand his point of view on that one. It's not the point of view you want someone ruling over you to have at all, but I understand it for certain. What I said what that he very obviously and openly wants to curtail speech that is currently legal in the USA and make it illegal. He just said it publicly for everyone to see. So if you're going to try to deny that then you know, IMO you're just trying to sell me something. You say "free speech absolutism" but obviously that's just an Orwellian turn of a phrase. We already don't have "free speech absolutism" in the USA and he was talking about essentially restricting our speech further, so that claim has no basis in the conversation. sorry.

>That's because you still believe in
oh cool, thanks for telling me all about me and what I believe and what my personal thoughts and opinions and feelings are. Nice to see you are so enlightened and beyond everyone. Make sure you don't lose your fedora in the wind. Have a nice night anyhow.

every time i see that smug face i assume he sniffs his own farts, quite unironically

In the USA historically this has already happened and so this is clearly not the extent of what Spencer was talking about. The USA took lots of legal action against seditious speech in the past and people who sided with wartime enemies. Obviously there was McCarthyism too. And we put Japanese Americans in internment camps in WW2. This is not the extent of what Spencer was talking about though. He wasn't talking about sedition during wartime. He openly said that he totally understood why the government and other entities would censor him for his political views and endorsed what they were doing. I don't really want to keep wasting my time with this whole thing. You just don't seem to want to face up to what he said, and frankly speaking even seditious speech being criminalized is a pretty hazy subject. Maybe you should pick up a history book and realize just how bad living under tyrannical government rule is.

> It's not the point of view you want someone ruling over you to have at all

So I shouldn't want rulers who are willing to punish seditious speech then? I should want weak pussy cuck leaders like you who are unwilling to deal with people who are intentionally and maliciously undermining the social order? Because you're scared of authority, because you've been brainwashed against it from birth.

You are continuing to pretend that Spencer believes in the right to silence anyone at a whim, it should be obvious that it is a pragmatic imperative that speech from obvious enemies with obvious malicious intent be suppressed. Because if you don't do this then you have a society controlled entirely by your own enemies. Look into Yuri Bezmenov's talk on this idea of subversion and how the Soviets used this process in order to specifically fuck up the United States and penetrate it with insane degenerate ideas. Ideas that you don't want suppressed because you're a weak bitch chained to an abstract universal illusion of freedom.

He got asked multiple times if Laurence Fishburne was white and he refused to answer the question.

>>IF THE JEWS ARE WHITE AND ARE ABLE TO SLIP THROUGH YOUR ETHNOBARRIER, YOUR ENTIRE STATE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY FAIL.

He has a point here

That doesn't really sound like a difficult question to answer

Yeah, no.

He was saying that the way the US is right now is the way is ethno state would be ran: Everyone tried to dogpile strawman arguments at the end because they knew they didn't have a real argument to what spencer was saying. Which was- if you are not part of the ethno state, you have no rights in the ethnostate, therefore if you are trying to create strife with political propaganda and you are from a different country, you will be censored. They also tried to say he was for a monarchy, but what Spencer actually said was that even in a capitalist society there is a monarchical system with the rich and poor and how the rich pass on their wealth to their heirs. I was not impressed with Sargon, Vee or that SJW's performance in the "debate", it was more one big strawman attacking Spencer, with no real arguments that proved that Spencer was wrong.

>This is not the extent of what Spencer was talking about though

Then you are speculating on what you believe his intentions are.

>You just don't seem to want to face up to what he said

I have accepted what he said and I have agreed with it and I have clarified why curtailing speech is politically and socially necessary and I have provided context, as Richard did, by mentioning that all societies draw the line somewhere and that there is no reason his ideal state should be any different.

>even seditious speech being criminalized is a pretty hazy subject

This is some top tier koolaid and I visibly cringed reading it. You want your enemies to be able to subvert your own society and you are unwilling to punish them because ??? and you see ZERO NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES!

>Maybe you should pick up a history book and realize just how bad living under tyrannical government rule is.

You need to realize that you live in a state which has raised you from birth with incredibly powerful propaganda to push the idea that its own liberal free for all insanity is morally superior and that any systems which deviate from this are evil tyrannical brutal monster states. When you believe this, which I am sure you sincerely do, you are believing unironic Western propaganda which has no basis in reality and is as spurious as a North Korean who believes Juche is the highest form of social order. When you point to evil no-free-speech tyranny states, you are pointing to cartoonish caricatures of states painted by Western propagandists. You're in Plato's cave looking at the wall at shadows cast by other people.

In case any of you missed it, he actually said this... Sargon is an idiot

The ancap flag clearly doesn't suit you. The Nazbol flag does, ideologically.
>Because you're scared of authority, because you've been brainwashed against it from birth.
well if you have some gay love for authority there's nothing I can do for you. I feel strong enough and independent enough to be self-determinate in my own life. I'm sorry that you must be such a weak person that you need the government to control everything other people do in order to give you a sense of security.
Personally I believe in personality accountability and responsibility. That means not relying on government to do things for you.

>You are continuing to pretend that Spencer believes in the right to silence anyone at a whim
he literally just said it and argued vehemently for this position so yeah, of course and you are the only one "pretending" I'm not even gonna keep on dignifying this.

>Look into Yuri Bezmenov's talk on this idea of subversion and how the Soviets used this process in order to specifically fuck up the United States and penetrate it with insane degenerate ideas. Ideas that you don't want suppressed because you're a weak bitch chained to an abstract universal illusion of freedom.
you have a nazbol memeflag you were flying earlier and you're already giving up on personal freedom and everything that made the USA better and worth defending against communism to begin with. So at that point who gives a fuck if we become communists? You already took all of the reasons NOT to be communist away. You already ruined our principles and trampled over them and sided ideologically with the people who were trying to ruin us lol. Your mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance are impressive. Thanks for calling me a "weak bitch" though. That's extremely constructive.

Fuckoff shitskin and get out of my country

>Yeah, no.
>He was saying that the way the US is right now is the way is ethno state would be ran
wow you guys have drank the Kool-Aid to the point where you don't even believe stuff when it comes out of your own cult leaders mouth.

I am not even going to bother. This is just so stupid. I mean I'm not wasting anymore time. The guy openly said that he didn't really believe in free speech and that the government should just be able to censor political opinions, LIKE HIS OWN, willie nillie lmfao, so don't sit and pretend he was talking about "just communism" and even if he was it's still bad. There are obvious downsides to communist rhetoric but if you disregard the rights of your people then you've already destroyed whatever thing you had that was worth fighting for and defending them from those ideas.

The fucking cool-aid drinking and the cult of personality is just incredible. You hear it from the guys mouth himself and you still won't accept it. Just insane. At what point do you realize that people who want to control you really are not your friends? I would love to see a white ethnostate but the stuff you're talking about is just horrendous and horrifying.

I hate all Nazbols though and want them to die in a fire. I only identify as a reactionary and a monarchist.

>I feel strong enough and independent enough to be self-determinate in my own life

You as an individual will be erased by the more powerful superstructure of a co-ordinated group. You have grown up instilled by the collective with, ironically, superficially anti-collectivist dogma. You are just some trash blowing in the wind being acted on by outside social forces that you believe originated from yourself.

>you must be such a weak person that you need the government to control everything

This Christ-like logic of "I'm so strong I can be shot in the skull and it won't do nuffin!" is suicidal and completely irrational. Strong people compete. You're not somehow more strong by intentionally choosing weak strategies, you're just being foolish.

>That means not relying on government to do things for you

I believe in this too, but when you have jobs that can't be done by individual citizens, such as maintaining the social order and protecting it by clamping down on malicious subversives, you need states.

>You already ruined our principles and trampled over them and sided ideologically with the people who were trying to ruin us

I side ideologically with the empire you split off from back in the 18th Century. Communism is irrelevant to me.

Goddamn this post is amazing, it really summarizes exactly what I want too! The only issue is that nobody else is stepping up to the plate besides Spencer and as of right now he’s the only chance we’ve got at creating an ethnostate. Some of his ideas are quite shitty I do agree, but like I said he’s all we’ve got.

^ nigger or boomer, muh freeze peach

Get rid of the religion part from the 1st Amendment and you're golden. Speech or violence that violates any other part of your constitution would be a punishable offence. So no Islam or Marxism. If you don't like it then you can GET OUT

>The guy openly said that he didn't really believe in free speech and that the government should just be able to censor political opinions

And this blows your tiny American brain, doesn't it?

>if you disregard the rights of your people

I don't believe in the rights of malicious subversives to undermine by own society. Please explain why you believe people should have the right to wreck your own society and get away with it. I don't understand?

I heard what came out of his mouth, and I heard what the 3 faggots were trying to say he was saying. You heard what the 3 faggots were saying that Spencer was saying and decided that was true. I heard what Spencer actually said which was what I posted above.

I am not a spencer follower. I think he is controlled opposition with CIA handlers becuase he never says anything definite, he always allows the listener to jump to conclusions and plays on their emotions. He never really says anything racist, just like an agent would, and always pays close attention to what he says, never to go "too far".

I do not disagree with anything he has ever said though. Even though its pretty tame.

No, that was Sargon being disingenuous, He literally said that Richard Spencer didn't care about freedom of speech because he said he wouldn't allow anti-white propaganda to be broadcasted in his ethnostate, literally all countries do that, and it would only be in the worst circumstance. And Richard Spencer didn't say he didn't care about Freedom of speech, he literally just said it wasn't his primary priority.

>You as an individual will be erased by the more powerful superstructure of a co-ordinated group.
Nope. I believe in borders and I believe in military. So I don't know where you get that idea. Sounds ill informed on your end.

Look go ahead and cry to the government to do everything for you. But from my point of view there isn't much difference between you and those fucking communists who want all of my money for social programs and welfare and want to tell me everything I can and cannot do. I mean you tell me, WHAT is the difference between them and you?

seriously, that's a really good question. you say "communism is so horrible and we have to defend against it" and yes, I agree. But go ahead and tell me buddy what, from my perspective, is going to be the difference in my life between them ruling me and you ruling me. I mean give me a real, concrete policy perception here that's going to be radically different. Your visions of government and its role in the lives of the people are essentially fundamentally the same. PERHAPS barring your views on race and that's about it. So you are just as deep and rotten an evil as them.

You're a nigger Harry

Fuck off, Tarl.

>WHAT is the difference between them and you?

I believe in property rights and don't want high taxes or a Breznevian bloated bureacratic state?

>what, from my perspective, is going to be the difference in my life between them ruling me and you ruling me

I'm not going to repossess your property, but I will call you a degenerate if you have mud babies.

>And this blows your tiny American brain, doesn't it?
Now the truth comes out. The reason you're memeflagging is because you want to talk about policy and law and government in America but you aren't even American.

>I don't believe in the rights of malicious subversives to undermine by own society. Please explain why you believe people should have the right to wreck your own society and get away with it. I don't understand?
and yet you just admitted that you yourself aren't a fucking American and here you are using a memeflag and being a literal "malicious subversive" trying to tell me to accept tyranny in my own homeland.

ok, game over. you lose. you are exposed. I'm not carrying this bullshit on with you anymore. you try to come take my freedoms away from me Charlie, Redcoat, Commie or whoever the hell else you are. You'll see the power of the second amendment and American grit first hand, I promise. We don't give two flying fucks what you outsiders think of us here. You're nothing but dogshit to us. I could be civil when you might have potentially been an American but now that we know you're not and the truth is out, you can just fuck right off lol. I know you hate us, but too bad, we aren't going anywhere you nigger.

So traps are gay?

the ethnostate is post-America

ps. I was a redcoat all along trying to get revenge on you for your crimes against george iii

>I believe in property rights and don't want high taxes or a Breznevian bloated bureacratic state?
oh so you aren't going to have high taxes but you're still going to fund a massive authoritarian government that cracks down on "wrong think" and ideas they don't like, and probably other forms of "degeneracy" too right? hahahahaha ok yeah I'm sure lots of people are buying that line pal. I'm sure people are just lining up to hand you the reins of political power and let you control their lives. For fucks sake people are dumb but they're not that dumb.

goodnight you dumb nigger lol.

Ultimately I actually don't care what subjects and citizens think because I don't believe in Democracy at all, so it really isn't important what people's political opinions are, because they would be inconsequential anyway, but I don't see why a sovereign shouldn't act on threats to its existence in all forms wherever they spring up, and seditious speech could certainly apply to that. It really isn't a problem for me to have that caveat worked into my state.

>putting degeneracy is quotes
Degenerate detected

Good thread, OP. This particular e-celebwhore is cancer.

Yes, If you are attracted to them with full knowledge that they have penises than you are a homosexual.

Shills shilling shills yet again with this eceleb bullshit. Utter twaddle.
Where are the fucking links, anyway?

He just believes jews have a right to have nan ethnostate like everyone else, not especificaly and only Israel. Zionism is quite different, it is a jewish fundamentalist ideology that promotes an endgoal of jews ruling the world from the kingdom of zion, a jewish ethno-state is just a tool for zionism, not its end goal.

I'll give you credit for baiting me. I really did want to go sign off and watch anime but lo and behold I am still here.

look guy, think what you want. Believe what you want. If you're gay for authority and want it over you, sweaty, and fuckin you in the ass I can't change that. People are into that shit. They have that drive to be dominated on their most fundamental level, you know? So that's your deal, OK.

If you're interested though in why your ideology doesn't appeal to someone like me, and others like me, who AREN'T that way and DON'T have that sexual perversion for the government and the big strong powerful authority men to come fuck them over, it's because there isn't much difference between YOU and the COMMIES. you even basically just said the only difference is the private property thing. Well good, I don't want anyone taking my private property either but you're essentially just as bad as them in almost every other way except for race. And you can say "well we need to protect ourselves from this threat" but once you sacrifice everything good and noble and pure about your homeland then there's nothing really left to protect that's worthwhile, isn't there?

britbongs don't get this but in the USA we know freedom is a really tough thing to have. I wish we had more of it in the USA like we used to, but that's another topic for another thread. The only point here is that you need to accept the responsibility and the potential negative outcomes of freedom. It's a contract you sign with your society. Yes it's more dangerous, but it's the only thing that makes life worth living in the end.

Disagree with me all you want, I don't care. I know you DO disagree. That's just by virtue of your own nature. You're free to do and say and think what you want though for the most part in Britain still, right? Oh wait that's right you're not........either way you're free to do and say and think those things as far as I'm concerned and I genuinely mean that.

The debates they have are 100 times better than the trash on Sup Forums right now

What a cringy post. Liberals (Note the big L) get the rope too, folks.

Lol yeah Sargon got rekt. He argues like an anarchist or libertarian when convenient but his support of many aspects of his own government betrays such notions.

I know the hitler did nothing wrong and other memes and stuff was a good laugh since /new/ but there's something about alot (not all, not vast majority, not saying that) of jackasses who take things like that seriously and even end up as those cringe worthy larpers that have been around as of late.

I don't find it any different then all the SJWs I encounter in Nor or Socal, or the stuttering beta cucks that actually exist from Sup Forums or /vg/ from discords and prior voice chats since before discord.

it's not about me being gay for authority, it's that using authority is game theoretically optimal for imposing literally any kind of social order at all. if you *don't* use it, you'll get replaced by people who do. It's not some weird fetish or fascination of mine, it is a literal survival imperative. If you do not do this, you will be wiped out. If you are unwilling to use authority, you are not long for this world. You're also accusing me of being gay or some shit because I want a functioning social order, which is basically a sign of how completely fucking morally and spiritually decayed your rotting empire has become. I feel bad that you need to sink to these depths.

>once you sacrifice everything good and noble and pure

What you are defining here as good, noble and pure is "the ability for hostile foreign agents to disseminate propaganda within my society" - I want you to think very very hard and carefully about this question: what if foreign agents already entered your society many decades ago and toxified the culture to such an extent, that they basically changed what your society considered "good" with "how receptive/tolerant they are to subversive ideas". It would explain why you are so hostile to the idea of cracking down on them, because that's what they want you to think. These people (the ones Senator McCarthy were after) wanted you to be violently against the idea of cracking down on anybody, because then we could crack down on commies. Their ideological legacy lives on today in you. So really you're the one who is the actual commie.

wow what a nice and well thought out rebuttal. "this is cringy". boy you really changed my mind and I'm sure many others too.

>Post a bunch of inarticulate horseshit about four times longer than it needs to be, as if you're giving some ebin speech to a patient and eager audience
>Get dismissed

I'm not trying to change your mind

cool brush well you know what? all of the laws you are advocating for are being used by your own homeland right now and they're being used to censor people like yourself and bring third world muslims into your cities to overrun you.

INB4 "muh universality is blinding you" and other fake pseudophilosphical BS. the point is that maybe you should consider the effects of tyranny and how the people not having power can lead to outcomes that are ultimately negative for them. I know tards like you like to believe that THEIR form of government would magically be non-corrupt and non-inept and would be staffed and run by the most noble and spiritually pure individuals in the universe, who only have good intentions towards their people, but surprise surprise, that is literally NEVER how it goes with government because that is an exceptionally NAIVE (ironic for the people who always decry the naivety of others) idea.

just face it, you are not right lol. or don't, I guess I don't honestly care that much. you're in Britain anyway, it's not like you get to vote in our USA elections, thank god.

>and they're being used to censor people like yourself

so what you're telling me is that using those laws work? great, glad we've cleared that up.

>the people not having power

"the people" never have power, you are ruled by a managerial elite who manufactures your consent through mass brainwashing which is necessary in order for your fake god of Democracy to function. no state has ever been ruled by "the people", "the people" is simply used as a principle of sovereign legitimacy as a myth in order to keep the social order functioning. the idea of "the people" is quite literally the exact same function as what divine right of kings was in the past, just an idea in order to justify the current order.. you are so basic bitch on this that I feel quite bad.

>so what you're telling me is that using those laws work? great, glad we've cleared that up.
that's your takeaway? no my friend. what I was telling you is that you are witnessing what happens when power is taken away from the people and you don't like it, so I just don't see how you can support such a thing.

>"the people" never have power, you are ruled by a managerial elite who manufactures your consent through mass brainwashing which is necessary in order for your fake god of Democracy to function.
really? that's interesting because I'm pretty sure they specifically tried to manufacture consent for a candidate named Hillary Rodham Clinton here last year and it didn't work. They also tried to manufacture consent for a number of republican nominee candidates other than Donald J Trump and that didn't work either. Soooooo ummm, that would seem to totally BTFO your whole premise more or less. Sorry you aren't getting your Brexit but like I said you are already living under tyranny. Too bad you support tyranny even though you obviously don't like its effects :(

the whole point is you can't "manufacture consent" when you HAVE freedom of speech and all of the freedoms that we have here in the USA. but I guess in Britain you're already fucked.

normies will be talking about this stream, considering its live viewership. normally i don't agree with e-celeb threads.
this """"debate"""" will be seen by bluepilled masses, they will check out sargoy and that faggot styxs' channels and really how fedora they are, and will consider nationalistic ideas more seriously.

OP should have linked it but was too busy sperging out. 4 hours, and you might need to use vpn kraut
youtube.com/watch?v=UiUH-tWHbr8

I mean just in case you don't know, they very literally DID attempt to manufacture that consent and it didn't work BECAUSE we have freedom of speech and all of the other things, you doofus. picture related.

shills will be working overtime tonight that is for sure. Sargon the strawman could only say "define white people" and then disregarding or not listening to any of the answers as if pretending to be retarded and for the record that is the dumbest fucking question, white European ethnicity is easy to tell. He would ignore or start talking at the same time as anyone who tried to ask him a question and when actually shutting up and being asked simple questions he would claim they were loaded or leading which is bullshit because he cant admit they simply btfo his whole premise.

The marxist strawman of you can't take credit for or be proud of the accomplishments of your ancestors who built the civilization you live in is fucking bullshit. They are saying western civilized countries that were formally mostly racially homogeneous and built overwhelmingly with the hard work and taxation of white people over hundreds of years, including all the schools, hospitals, infrastructure ect and fought for in 2 world wars for the benefit and continued prosperity of their decedents, entitles them to nothing and all services, culture, heritage, ect can be given to, replaced, destroyed or appropriated through mass immigration policies by the 3rd world for the benefit of rich elites, multinationals and credit agency who don't care about the quality of life of the host population to the point of turning white ethnicities into minorities in countries they a responsible for building in the first place and if you don't like it you are a racist nazi. this is complete marxist lunacy that leads to ethnocide and should be a human rights violation. Go to any country in Asia and spew that bullshit and get laughed at or murdered.

>you are witnessing what happens when power is taken away from the people

I'm witnessing what happens when progressives wield laws that work against their ideological opponents: they get suppressed.

That suppression is exactly the sort of effect I want to have on subversive elements too, my friend. I support it because it works!

>Trump

I actually agree with you that Trump is a buck in the trend and represents a real Democratic fuck you of "the people" to the same managerial class I was talking about, but he's still being swallowed and nullified by that class, so it won't matter

i agree with most of your post but I would have to concede that the accomplishments of your ancestors do not entitle you to anything. in fact they burden you with the responsibility to live up to them and to revive what they have built. you can only take credit for your own actions, and you are responsible to right every wrong you see in your life - it is a christian ideal not a marxist one