The amount of bullshit asspulls employed to allow this manlet japanese high schooler to fight and beat demigods and...

The amount of bullshit asspulls employed to allow this manlet japanese high schooler to fight and beat demigods and various superhumans is frankly ridiculous. How can anyone take this shit seriously?

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Everybody knows that Shirou vs Archer was the finale of UBW

I didn't think anyone took it seriously. I mean..it's fiction.

Consider this. There are 45+ endings in the visual novel where you end up dead or worse. There are about 5 endings where you finish the route. Only 2 of these endings have Shirou make it out happy and in one piece. The anime adaptations only show what would happen if everything lines up perfectly for Shirou to survive. If you actually read the novel and fucked up even a little bit, you die.

But I'm also talking about the bullshit in Fate and HF.
Shit like "BTW when I trace a weapon I automatically download and aquire the fighting skills of its original owner" is literally undefensible in any case.

Shirou and Shiki happen to have the best powers supernatural because they are the heroes of the story

>my chuuni VN can't be this pretentious
Are you sure you're watching the right type of media? Go read a classic or something.

I-It's because you didn't read the VN, s-secondary.

It kind of is. His magic is a Reality Marble and when Archer (who is him from the future) got summoned into the same time period as him, their Reality Marbles interacted with each other and he ended up getting the skills his older self spent years developing over the course of a few weeks. Even then, he didn't have enough mana to actually do it properly and had to steal some from Rin. Lastly, he doesn't download the skills of the original owner as much as the traced weapon controls his body. It's a big difference that's highlighted in the narrative. It's all a big point about how Shirou is a blank slate and all that. It's kind of like how he "downloaded" so to speak Kiritsugu's obsessions without really understanding them himself. Like that but with weapons.

>Woah the story about the extraordinary boy who kills demigods happens to be about a extraordinary boy who kills demigods!
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUCK SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE RIGHT NOW

I don't, I just obsessively play Grand Order.

>their Reality Marbles interacted with each other and he ended up getting the skills his older self spent years developing over the course of a few weeks
How convenient.

What. Its actually really well done.
Shirou is autistic projection magic user. He learns how to fight from his future self through time paradoxical osmosis. Gets good enough to counter and defend against servants.

It's a series for edgy 14 years olds. What exactly were you expecting?

The sad thing is the fact we have 20+ adults taking this trash seriously.

>Shirou so happens to have Avalon inside of him so he got to call Saber before getting killed
How convinient.
>Shirou also happens to become a superhero in the future and gets called to the present because the Grial can bring heroes from all time periods
How convinient.
>Gilgamesh loses to Shirou because he gets too overconfident and gets cornered
How convinient.


You can say that on literally every plot point.

>the protagonists powers allow him to win

its almost like he wins because of them or something

...

He's had Avalon inside his body since he was like five don't bother him about it.

You can say that of almost all fucking Sup Forums.

But you replied so it already had an effect.

Starting with zero and having skills that would have taken years and years to develop just handed to him because paradox is worse than all of those.

Here, take another, on the house.

Woah...... so this is the power of speed reading.......

its almost like it's shit writing or something

>protagonist possesses power that makes sense in the setting and can allow him to defeat his opponent
>shit writing

how? - its not an asspull as far as i know, and makes narrative sense

>2017
>Asspull still means thing I don't like in series I don't understand
Why?

So the protagonist shouldn't have any kind of power whatsoever? How the hell would he win against those monsters then?
>inb4 he's supposed to lose

That's why Masters fighting Servants is stupid

>complaining isn't allowed on Sup Forums
Go back to whatever hugbox you came from, retard.

No, he's right. The entire fight was 3-on-1, shit MC needing powering from zr-wearing designated cocksleeve character, Gilgamesh not in his top form, not using his armor at the start, not fighting strategically even though that is his entire thing, just about everything falling in place for him to lose at one single moment in time. Even when he lost, he still could have made it a draw but the faggot MC could rely on a faggot future version to save ass more than once in the "duel" scenario.

Even with all the training, it's supposed to be stupid. It's why Fate is kind of shit when compared to Zero.

I could handle it in text, but it was dumb seeing Gil miss every shot while Shirou was falling.

>manlet
>mans the fuck up every arc
>average male (Japanese) height
>works out and practices painful magic for HOURS every night
>holds down jobs, one at a bar
>can cook better than you
>one cannon bad end has him winning the Grail War alone

His abilities are asspulltastic, and he's a white knight with a brick for a brain, but manlet?

>weapons skills downloading
>Archer's skills transfert
>Archer's arm + skills implantation
BRAVO NASU

Asshurt manlet detected.

Shiki's fight was pretty straightforward tho. It was just his powers versus Nero's and Shiki was just stronger. Nero just didn't expect Shiki was the strongest descendant of a monster-killing purebred clan of humans from 700AD that preserved their bloodline for over a millenium.

He didnt miss, they are firing at each other non stop. Did you not notice swords clashing in the background.

>can cook better
We find out in the VN that the cooking is simply normal tier. Saber just has shitty standards from eating vinegar and potatoes all the time.

>power based on being a filthy copy cat makes one a filthy copy cat

M-Masaka

>muh piracy
>stop seeding
I'm really sorry you got your ass handed to you, golden fag.

>The entire fight was 3-on-1
Oh no, the protagonist actually needs assistance from others and isn't an unstoppable gary stu! Such bad writing!
>Gilgamesh not in his top form, not using his armor at the start, not fighting strategically even though that is his entire thing, just about everything falling in place for him to lose at one single moment in time.
Oh no, the character clearly established to not taking lesser beings seriously isn't taking lesser beings seriously! Such bad writing!
Also
>not fighting strategically even though that is his entire thing
>his entire thing
Are you just illiterate?
>he still could have made it a draw
No, Shirou would just cut his own arm off.

Insertfags getting angry that their insert is getting called out for being too lucky (read: asspull) of a character in their own story?
No one can claim otherwise that the entire Gil fight was based on the convergence of so many factors falling against what is considered to be at the time the strongest Servant until later franchise stories.

Caster was a shit midboss which wasn't threatening at all. Her legitimacy relied on Saber jobbing when she could easily dispatch Servants even if she was empty of mana a route ago. All to make Shirou competent as a match for Servants. It took ufotable to shill her a little and tweak her to be an actual threat. She was just a laughable in the VN. Failed to convey Herakles' unmatched strength of obstacle or Zouken 'he never dies and manipulates the fuck of us' Matou's creepiness.

Gilgamesh fighting Shirou was the biggest mistake of a climax. Neither character had a connection or gave much of a shit for each others. Kotomine is the ultimate Nemesis vs Shirou. It's even in Shirou's fucking CM profile. Gilgamesh is Saber's Nemesis while Kotomine is Shirou's, so their battle was completely dumb and empty. And just devised to wow autistic powerlevelfags.

I fucking hate when Masters get involved in a Servant's battle outside of support. I'm glad Nasu dropped that shit in other works. UBW route was the definition of cancerous Master fighting Servant shit and getting away with it I fucking hate it. Not just Shirou, but also Rin and Kuzuki. It was just completely out of place now in Fate franchise where Masters stay behind Servants like they should. Or fight other Masters.

The endings were pretty bad too. That's why Nasu had to rewrite it for the anime. Originally, it lacked any actual touching sense of conclusion than HF or Fate endings did.

>that the entire Gil fight was based on the convergence of so many factors falling against what is considered to be at the time the strongest Servant until later franchise stories.

thats basically every Gilgamesh fight discounting GO and Alcides/Enkidu

Fate aligns far more to my tastes of how fate should be (and how it is in all the spin offs). Masters command. Servants fight. Simple as that. However, I can recognize Fate route and Zero are not out of place in the entire franchise.

You know what would be really awesome? If they had Gil remember he can actually use his NP's individual effects like he did in the Fate route, instead of just randomly shooting them. Have him pull out his unnamed ice-sword and have Shirou counter with a projected Laevateinn, or have him pull out one of the named weapons drom the game like Dainsleuf or Vajra and use them individually! As for Shirou, he could melee with Hrunting a little, or create a swordified Gae Bolg just like Archerr modified Caladbolg, or use one of the Archer tactics Hiroyama used in Prillya, like throwing a wall of swords in Gil's line of sight to blindside him, or charging him with a huge blade used as makeshift shield.

Like Vajra taking effect after being intercepted by Berserker in Fate Zero

It's pretty hilarious that the greatest monster-killer in Japan would end up facing a DAA, but it actually makes sense if you understand the reincarnation pattern that preceded the entire story.

>NP's individual effects
He cant. Literally plot point.

So what? It's only an asspull when factors that were never foreshadowed suddenly pop up mid-fight and cause a win. Practically everything in that fight had proper build up and explanations and they spent an entire night discussing it.

>Do the Ciel route
>Get to the point Arcueid gets me to drink her blood

Oh man

The entire point is that archer counters gil barring ea. The ubw is based around shirou being archer. Thats not an asspull. Its called plot.

>lol I can't read

>Neither character had a connection
You know, barring the whole fake can surpass the original when used correctly metaphor, which was the entire point of the fight.

That's the plot. Handing it to the ginger manlet is the asspull.

You don't. Shirou is the shittiest part of the pile of shit that is UBW.
You should read about the superior incarnation of the character instead

No being an mc isnt an asspull. If shirou wasn't archer shirou wouldnt have fought gil.

F/SN case is tame. Eien Shinken and Demonbane are much more shameless. Oh, and there is Dies Irae adaptation coming this summer, it will be sure to assblast you.

It's ultimately a SI harem power fantasy. I mostly laugh at the people trying to make him sound like he's some sort of deep tragic hero.

Being mc doesn't necessary mean "LOL look at all the skills of my older version conveniently flow in me!"

kys

>the entire point of the route is shirou surpassing archer

>gaining archers powers is an asspull

It does when thats what the entire plot is about. If shirou wasn't archer, ubw of hf wouldnt have happened.

Is this the daily UBW Frodo thread?

It's weird that FZ had way more of those while airing, but UBW seems to be attracting them years later.

There are no harem elements to be found in F/SN.

It's not like he can survive motherfucking SOLOMON.

Right, so that threesome Shirou had with Rin and Saber was not a harem element.

Rin being Miss Perfect and modest is not a harem element, no.

>Implying Nasu isn't going to retcon as usual and find a way for Shirou/Archer to win even against him in the future

>>the entire point of the route is shirou surpassing archer
Ideologically, not in skills.
There are millions of stories where someone meets his older/alternative version, but only in Fate that means automatically gaining all his skills and powers, because the high schooler power fantasy requires it.
No, it's the thread when we laugh at the shit writing.

Solomon is different. His existence came before essentially everything else. Nasu would never tarnish him or his character.

Hello ThatAnimeSnob.
Don't speedread next time.

Well yeah, it's bullshit. Even Nasu admitted that Shiro won because it was literally the brightest moment in his entire life.

HAHAHAHA. Oh god. Oh you poor naive fool, Nasu would indeed do that just to wank his characters.

Nasu wanks Christianity the most. A nobody like Shirou would never beat someone like Solomon because of it.

Solomon *is* his character.

>I decided to make the title Grand Order, and brought out the once-rejected scenarios for the Beasts. Once that got decided, everything else flowed from that – if I’m going to bring out the Beasts then I should also tell the story of the end of the Age of Gods. If I bring up the Age of Gods then I should also bring up Solomon. So let’s make the core of the story about Solomon and Roman. And with that, the basic outline of the story got decided.
>... I said something about adding some final touches – that meant saying things like “Roman’s lines here are too light,” or “Roman already knows this, so he wouldn’t make that expression” – little fixes like those.
>Although I told all the writers how the story would end, I was the only one who knew what Roman was thinking, and how he would’ve reacted to everything up to that point. I thought that it would be faster if I wrote those portions myself instead of having to explain.
Solomon came from the beginning. He cares about Solomon a lot more than he cares about Shirou. And that's hardly even because Grand Order is the main series of the franchise, now.

show blows, that's why the best part is the lolicon-pandering spin-off

>or worse.
like?

Absorbed by Manjew, off the top of my head.

youtube.com/watch?v=o8z5oEyVp_4

What are your favorite bad endings in Tsukihime and FSN?

inb4 Superhero/Mind of Steel

Akiha's route, Ciel's fight, "I have to live" option

Femme Fatale. Actually gives weight to the who you can't save everyone theme.

Bad End 3. When the hotel is attacked by Chaos, if Ciel's affection isn't high enough, she never sees Shiki after killing Arcueid, so she never gives him a charm to help repel vampires. This ends with Shiki going out into the hallway, exploring the empty hotel, and being swallowed by random Chaos animals in the dark.

Bad End 9. If Shiki decides to sexually assault Arcueid in the back alley, the next time they met, she can't control herself and sucks his blood to death.

Bad End 12. A completely out of nowhere bad ending (caused by not taking the time to ask her questions of a serious nature) where Roa appears, reveals about SHIKI and his connection to Shiki and kills him so swiftly that even Shiki doesn't realize what just happened.

Shiki manages to kill Roa, but he transfers the burden of his madness to him, causing Shiki to have murderous thoughts and strange dreams. After he gets out of control to the point that he rapes Kohaku.

Bad End 18. A vampirized Satsuki bites Shiki so they could be together forever.

Bad End 20. If Shiki doesn't tell Ciel about his nightmares, he goes to check at the back alley and has hallucinations of himself killing girls similar to Akiha (which is caused by the psychic link with SHIKI). He is then killed by SHIKI in a whim. What makes it horrible is that Shiki is laughing madly because this proves that he wasn't the killer as he thought.

Bad End 22. During Shiki and Ciel's battle, if Shiki decides to kill her, he loses his sanity and becomes convinced that he is the killer. He then reverts to his Nanaya instincts.

>hurr there are are millions of stories
>durr why is this one slightly different

>calls a schoolkid taller than his peers a manlet
>dumb kid with bullshit magic beats other people with bullshit magic
>taking any of fate/whatever garbage seriously
youre trying too hard

Get turned into a doll by Ilya and tortured. Literally "I have no mouth yet I must scream".

I forgot how much of a psychopath Illya is.

Literally worst girl.

Welcome to anime, manga, visual novels, and light novels, where bland male high schoolers serve are overpowered to serve as otaku self-inserts.

I don't know, Sakura in Femme Fatale puts a forward a strong argument. At least Illya has the courtesy die horribly most of the time so has a nicer chemistry with her servant.

Caster also has a case going for her in that ending where she tears out Shirou's spine and crafts his nerves into a UBW wand, with him still alive and conscious because UBW dies with him.

>shirou
>bland
He may be a total retard but he is far from bland.

Everyone in the nasuverse is a psychopath.
Someone, give these people therapy dammit.

Plebian, I bet you can't even appreciate a good murder. You'd probably start rolling on the floor and puking or some gay shit.

The only girl in Tsukihime that isn't trying to kill you is Hisui

A girl that wants to kill you is the best kind though.

She made up for it, especially in HF. Ilya has so much heart.
Even in H/A she has some amazing scenes. Where it's clear she knows what happened to her and the world.

Yea but didn't nasu say everything is canon, even the bad endings?

Getting tortured as a doll is a fate worse than death.
So saving his life does not make up for it.


Fucking slut. All of this because she thought Shirou cucked Kerry away from her. (I think).

Which side of FSN was better, the front (Fate/UBW) or the back (HF)?

I enjoyed UBW the most but HF is objectively the best.

UBW was good but Rin needed more than 1 sex scene.

No, the HF one does not count.