STEM couple moving to USA

What are the downsides of living in Denver CO, in a 5k people town? The internet told me that STEMs earn 60k+. If me and my gf both worked, we would feel very rich, compared to Italy. Where is the catch then? 5k a month sounds like a lot of money to me... do all STEMs have fancy cars and other shit like that in USA/Colorado?

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Denver is a nice place to live, beautiful scenery and the least fattest part of the country. Your idea of a fancy car is just a normal car to us. We all have cars here because our cities were built around roads and our public transportation is shit.

Forget the car. In Italy it is impossible for us to buy a home, the average salary of an engineer in Italy is 2k a month. Can 2 STEM salaries really get you a home in 10 years or less? Will I really be able to attend the restaurant once a day? It sounds like a comfy life. How much money will truly come to my pocket to spend, after taxes and other gov related costs, if an Employer tells me I will make 60k per year?

you and your gf would be living very comfy, good luck user

You know, the more I investigate the stronger this feeling gets

The catch is taxes. You aren't taking home 5k. You'll get about 2000-2500 a month after you pay for everyone elses gibs (depending on Colorado's state taxes number will vary).

$2k a month is a little less than what $60k pays after taxes/insurance/retirement here luigi. You can afford a house that costs about $150k on that in the u.s.

I'd advise against CO unless you're really into having legal marijuana though, state taxes are nuts and it's likely a lot colder than where you're currently at. Unlike MN and WI though, the snow melts quickly in the sunny mountains.

I live south of Denver. Fucking gorgeous state and I love it here. Moved to southern california for 7 years for work and school, so glad to be back.

You are telling me taxes are 50%, but that is not what i understood from browsing. Can you give me a brakedown? Are all taxes proportional? Will a 10k salary become 4-5k aftr taxes?

Can you tell me the numbers? Are they 100% higher or 10% higher? What is the range?

We are moving in October, from Italy, do you have any specific advise for Italians?

No, taxes are scaled based on your income into brackets. State and local taxes are separate from federal taxes. You won't pay 50% in tax, but at median income (which is around $60k per family) you'll have around 40% taken out for: fed taxes, state taxes, medicare, social security, health insurance, retirement plan choices, etc.

Likely not 100% higher. I'm sure you can find a table online somewhere. Property taxes are a consideration too as those are local and can vary from county to county. CO has decent gun laws afaik.

What if me and my gf, sharing the same household, both make 7k per month, each of us. How much money would we have in our pockets instead?

Yeah but remember it's in tax bands, which you're gonna have to google. Most of your income will be taxed at a lot less than 40%

Also make sure the cost of living isn't so much higher as to balance out the gain in income.

Just google the tax bands for Colorado or some sort of tax calculator. You won't get any tax benefits for cohabitation, just marriage.

If you still buy a regular stiff house at around 100-200k, quite a bit. I make about 58k pre tax, on my own. My first house was bought when I only made about 48k for $100k. I'm saving enough per month to have a few hundred if I skimp entertainment or going out. With two people, the leverage changes as you're sharing housing costs. You'll be well off, not rich but not hurting unless you piss away money.

Stay

I was making a comparison based on my own wages. Health insurance and retirement funds are necessary here and basically "tax" although not really. You also get refunded for overpayment on taxes here, don't know about anywhere else.

salaryaftertax.com/us
is this one reliable? If you click "more info" it has a brake down

Why? Why wold you move to Italy? Would you? Or where else whould you move and why?

It's accurate for a basic look at federal taxes, but doesn't include state, local, or whatever property taxes you'd owe.

Why would you ever leave Italy? It sucks here, desu. You can pick octopus straight out of the Mediterranean. Why give that up for this shitshow?

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What is the best website to seek for STEM jobs in Colorado (or any other mean)? West of Denver is my first choice, near the mountains. I love skiing.

Well it won't be quite 50%, but plan for something close to that. I live in shitty Virginia which is also a very highly taxed state and I currently make 72k a year. I receive $3200 a month. This is after taxes, medicare, social security, etc and 5% extra taken out for a retirement plan. Hopefully that will give you a better idea on what to expect.

You can pick trouts out of Colorado lakes, cant you? Isnt wildlife in CO great?

Ok, planning for 50% sounds safe and easy for the math.

Look into states that have no state income tax. Here in Tennessee, you only have federal income tax, but we do have higher sales tax on goods. 60k will go a lot farther here than it would in CO. I should know, I made 55k doing regional tech work and my wife and I lived pretty comfy. Decent cars, large-ish 2020sqft house on the outskirts of town, and a few creature comforts if you know how to bargain shop (tvs, movies, video games, hobbies). It's not a bad way to live. Bonus points if you get a place with some land, (btw, land is much cheaper here than in EU) because you can do some gardening and some simple livestock like chickens etc if you're into that. Good luck to you italybro.

> What are the downsides of living in Denver CO, in a 5k people town?
Spics and niggers. Also Injuns. And kikes. And cold. And spics.

>The internet told me that STEMs earn 60k+. If me and my gf both worked, we would feel very rich, compared to Italy. Where is the catch then?
See above.

>5k a month sounds like a lot of money to me... do all STEMs have fancy cars and other shit like that in USA/Colorado?
Pretty much.

Can you try and convince me more about Tennesse, compared to COlorado, please?

Isnt Colorado better off than the other states, when it comes to non whites?

yes, 2 stems can definitely make >60k each with good work ethic.
with >120k (total) you can afford to live comfortably in most american cities.

i.e. buy a house, cars, pool, maybe even a small boat

Welcome to America user

Better than the south, not better than upper Midwest or someplace like Montana or Idaho. I grew up in northern wi and never saw a nigger growing up other than trips to large cities. There were maybe 2 in the county. Cheap land, taxes are okay, but nothing to do.

Nope.
In 2010, it was about 70% Non-Hispanic White, 20% spic, 5% nigger. In a 5k population town, you should be mostly alright, but anytime you have to go near urban areas you'll encounter the muds.
Best to avoid said urban areas, if possible, and take a glance at the racial dotmap before entry when not possible.
>demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/

You would also be wise to invest in a firearm. Colorado has a variety of potentially aggressive fauna, beyond the diverse hominid variety.

Nashville, the city I live in, is comparable in almost every way to Denver in terms of size, population, and job opportunities. We're also in the middle of a massive boom right now. Because of the tax incentives, many large corporations are moving their bases here. construction and services are exploding and the houses are selling faster than they can build them here. We don't have the legal weed like CO, but it's not likely that you'd get in trouble for it here either. Also, the maker/builder thing is really popular now. It's a great time to be an entrepreneur. I started my own business out of my hobbies that I learned while working as a tech and it seems to be going well.

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What are your actual qualifications? I always just hit up indeed or another job posting board and apply until I get callbacks. I haven't had to look for a job in 5 years though. I'd have a job lined up before coming unless you've got a lot of savings.

Not really. It borders New Mexico, which is practically mexico.
Furthermore, it is the most central state with legal marijuana. It has the perfect climate for farming marijuana (like afghanistan). So expect an influx of low wage workers to support the industry.

If you want fewer non-whites consider moving to montana, the dakotas, wyoming or minnesota.

Tennessee is good stuff. In fact I would recommend trying to move around Nashville for a job if you're not dead set on Colorado. Nashville in the past 5-10 years has been rapidly growing. It used to be just a regular city more or less, but recently its starting to get really close to the big boys and will soon make it there. Bigger city means you'll find a tech job pretty easily, while it not yet being a "super city" like Austin or New York means the housing market isn't yet too crazy overpriced, so if you bought one, it would more than likely appreciate as the city continues growing. And like , there is no state income tax. So right there you keep 4.63% more of your money over Colorado.

I'm in tech too and about to move back there myself as I grew up there and only moved to Virginia for job experience. The only bad things about it are the traffic and there's a lot of niggers and mexicans. Otherwise its the best place I've ever lived.

>We don't have the legal weed like CO, but it's not likely that you'd get in trouble for it here either.
Considering it's the home of hank III, I would think not. I think it's hard to get in trouble for pot almost anywhere here unless you're flaunting it around.

why would a company sponsor you if you're a 60k/year worker?

Minnesota outside of the twin cities. I have nothing but slimes and niggers in my neighborhood.

Just so you know, a couple of socialist principles we take for granted over here are non existent in the US

> what is vacation
no five weeks paid vacation as over here
> what is job security
you can get fired basically every day just on super short notice
> what is public transport
you will need a car and spend a lot on gas

cool

planning to live near/on the mountains

HMI, Plc programming, processors, and in the past i was a site manager on construction sites. I have an american degre BSCE civil engineering ie

We are full.

>spend a lot on gas
dude it's like $2.5 for a gallon

i dont understand

Combined incomes will get you this kind of house here.

gf went aweeee

Soon to be much less. Thank you emperor.

distances are much larger, you will drive a lot more and use a lot more gallons. You will want a big car because you use it so often and particularly in CO you want probably a truck

They will. We've got Pajeets at my company making not much more. They currently get tax breaks for hiring enough foreigners.

>"super city" like Austin
Austin isn't even in the top 3 biggest cities in Texas

You stand to make a lot more than 60k then. That may be a starting salary.

are you sure you want to go to the 56% land just for some economic growth?
you will be surrounded by niggers, mestizos, jews, and a mixture of all those with a considerable amount of gook/vietnamese/arab.
I know Italy has some migrants now but at least its salvageable, USA is not, usa will inevitably fall, because its the host of the parasite, if they haven't removed the host in over 100 years (the jew started moving south after the end of the civil war) they wont now.
Trust me, dont come to the american continent, theres nothing of worth or utility to you, don't think of economic growth but rather a future for your children

what's your plan for getting a green card

Oh I just always heard it was big. Maybe its just tech people overestimating. Well anyway you get what I mean.

>If you still buy a regular stiff house at around 100-200k
>Denver

lol @thinking you can buy a house for anywhere near that in Denver

I buy 10 gallons of gas maybe twice a month.
These still exist, they're just not government garaunteed. In a large city, as long as you show up to work on time, you'll never be fired for no reason. I get 2.5 weeks PTO that increases with seniority plus extra medical and bereavement leave.

wait, you're moving here without a job? if so, that's asinine

sounds like i need a sponsor company, right?

Which I assumed would be the catch for him. I hate large cities, I'm moving out of one currently. Buying some cheap rural land that's mostly swamp so no one wants it and building my own shack.

I will move in october, i take 8 months for the job search

No, you need a job for a residency visa. The company that hires you sponsors your stay. I would seek citizenship if you're serious. You can own property here without any citizenship or visa here, but not work.

you no get in no

i also prefer remote homes with land

I assumed you knew the visa rules already. You'll need a job to even get residency status son.

that's very unwise, the job market out here is extremely competitive and the wages have not kept up with inflation. You are setting yourself up for a very difficult time. Start in Colorado Springs if anything, but even then you are in for a rude awakening if you don't have a lot of money in savings

i assumed so. I am moving to Colorado cause i like the jobs there, im not coming to eat your grass

Real estate prices are insane in Colorado.
60k will provide you with a virtually poverty level standard of living.

you shouldn't move somewhere because you like the jobs, you should move here because you have a job

im looking for one

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This is too much in taxes. You'll take home about $3800-$3900. Unless Colorado is a much bigger Jew than the state of Georgia.

ill help in the race war, for making more room

Indeed.
I was using this
smartasset.com/taxes/colorado-paycheck-calculator
to figure out how much my take home pay would be, before I took the job in CO.

As other posters have said, our public transport is shit. But our interstate systems are pretty efficient. The red zone on this picture is where you can live without paying too much and you can be anywhere in 15-20 minutes.

The green zone is where you'll find the most affordable housing, the most land for cheap, but your commutes are going to be 30 minutes or more to get to stuff. But even the outskirts are well supplied with basic necessities, food, shopping, utilities, schools, highspeed internet.

that's about right, I was about to say $4-4200 since I used to make $60k in Denver.

Cost of living: Boulder>Denver>Colorado Springs

Tech Jobs: Boulder, Broomfield, Denver Tech Center/Centennial, Colorado Springs

Most of the government tech jobs are in the Springs which I imagine you'd need citizenship for if not a clearance.

Areas with remote housing and land: lol no

>smartasset.com/taxes/colorado-paycheck-calculator
thanks

I was thinking Golden, cause Im applying for NREL National Renewable Energy Laboratory, which is already outskirt. I hate big cities. I dont mind 20 mins drive further outskirt

I don't understand why you people don't include taxes when you talk about salaries

because they're highly dependent on the circumstances of the taxpayer

Golden is ridiculously expensive but it's nice, look into Arvada or Lakewood for housing. Again, NREL usually requires citizenship or security clearances

Because the tax situation could depend on individual circumstance. For example, due to my special status, I don't have to pay income tax at all.

On their website they say they look for foreigners in STEM, and have plenty of jobs for which me and my gf are qualified. Shouldnt they know how to handle engineers and phds from abroad? Once i get through the interview, i assume things will be downhill

>Shouldnt they know how to handle engineers and phds from abroad?

yes, there are tons of H1b shitskins here, I'm sure they know what to do. I haven't got a clue what you'll need visa wise, talk to an immigration lawyer and don't rely on internet strangers.

>Once i get through the interview

if you get an interview, again this place is chalk full of STEM types all competing for a limited number of spaces. I know off hand of three engineers working multiple jobs as bankers or other more menial work because the situation is fucking rough out here.

tx for the heads up

>CO has decent gun laws afaik.
Not since 2013, unfortunately.

Fuck off were full.

But you're really not, are you?

Avoid major cities as much as possible - if you can find a job that will sponsor your immigration to the US in a smaller city or town, go for it. You and your lady will be much happier, safer, and prosperous earning $40-50k in a town of

Fucking lol. Not even close. Drive across any state in the union, even a small one. You'll find out just how much nothing there truly is here. People who think we're full usually live in city centers and have no idea what it's like to have literal miles between you and your neighbor.

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>living in Denver CO
>a 5k people town
Denver certainly has a population higher than 5k people.

Some of us would prefer it stay that way - urban centers are expanding too much and too quickly.

683,000 - he was only off by like 14,000%

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think if you would double the US population, it would still have a lower population density than most central European countries.

City centers is where most people moving in go to live though. All that vacant land doesn't help when everyone piles into the metropolises.

Possibly, but it's a bit misleading. The reason for that low population density is because of the huge, nearly uninhabited regions in the Mountain and Plain states. Once you get east of the Mississippi River the population density is, on average, about the same as like France I think.

One of the underlying problems that the US (and any major country really) is facing is the growing urbanization. On the West Coast and the Eastern half of the country, you've got these massive urban regions that are absolutely dominating their respective states. Even though only about a fifth of the US population lives in the 100 largest cities, they absolutely dominate the country politically, socially, and financially and can pretty much overrule the other 80% on basically any issue.

The first world is rapidly devolving back to a feudal system where rural serfs support wealthy city dwellers.

Fuck off you meatball eating nigger we don't need more of you greasy guineas here.