>tfw you get 10 miles. 10 fucking measly miles away from Moscow. So close you can see the spires. So close you can smell Stalin's Bolshevik ass. So close to victory. To a new epoch. To a pax Germania. To an ideal world.
>Tfw the eastern mongoloid hoardes come. The snow falls. And you see for a brief second, the future we today NOW live in.
Tfw so close to triumph. Tfw we lost.
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actually.. they got into the outskirts of moskou and a few blocks in, but had to run because weather and lack of equipment which was lacking gasoline and diezel to continue to function, they turnd around and kept driving to retraitpoints or untill their fuel ran out
>tfw your supply lines are already overstretched.
>tfw you have no winter equipment or clothing.
>tfw the Soviets moved all the factories beyond the Urals and you have no way of reaching them.
>tfw Your casualties get higher and higher day after day.
>tfw despite invading with a 4 million man army you are still unable to seize Moscow.
>tfw you lose to "subhumans" and die freezing to death 600 miles away from home.
>Implying the world we got from the allies is better than the world we could of gotten from the Axis.
Not to mention that a subhuman can in fact defeat a human in combat. No one has ever argued the contrary. A snake is less than a man, but it's poison is much more deadly. Likewise, a slav, coon or good can ammas huge numbers, and fight ferociously and beat an Aryan. This doesn't mean they are superior. It simply means they fought better.
In such a case, we should praise the brave Germans for heroically attempting to save earth from it's gay, transexual, shitskin filled future
>they fought better
no
sometimes quantity just beats quality
implied nothing here, just stating historical facts
Can someone post stuff about the theory that operation Barbarossa was a preemptive attack as the soviets were preparing to invade the west?
>they're not superior, they're just better
yikes
haha losers
They won from pure numberes
The best among you would have been incorporated into a Pax Germania. Enjoy your alcoholism, AID's, and slide (further) into Third World status. You too will fall to cultural degeneracy and leftism via the plutocrat/managerial class. It's slightly further along in destroying the West, but it grows inevitably and unstoppably from democratic capitalism.
>Le hordes of slavs that didnt exist won over ubermensch germanics
The salt is real
>believe in survival of the fittest
>lost to people you consider "subhuman"
LMAO
This shit does suck . Its like white people are paying for losing that war for the next what like 10 generations ? Geez if only everyone knew how important it really was .. it seems they did tho . God dam that must of sucked knowing what was gonna happen cause of there loss
>Believe in survival of the fittest
>Faced army of millions of subhumans in a wasteland far from home in conditions suiting the enemy
Yeah, no wonder they lost.
World would be better with an Axis victory, no doubt.
Your shit EU version of the Reich can't even come close
Yeah, it's a sad as fuck story for way different reasons than most people realize.
I sometimes fantasize about having a time machine to go back and fix the German mistakes in the Eastern campaign so I can fix the future for European people and save tons of German lives.
Westerners can't fight even if their future depends on it. Here in ex Yugoslavia Germans couldn't defeat an edgy locksmith and larping villagers
Lel, the USSR at its peak in 1944 only outnumbered the germans at roughly 3.5 to 1. At the start of barbarossa In 1941 the Axis forces on the eastern front outnumbered the Red army
Itt things stormtards are to dumb to check
this happens when you let your armies be controlled by an idiot savant artist instead of listening to undoubtedly one of the greatest generals ever lived
>we lost
>we
Fuck off Amerimutt Larper
Yugoslavs are nigger-tier schizoprenic idiots, that's why
6 ft 7 tall and beheave like an intermediate between rats and gorillas
like every kind of Slav, just on steroids
Nah, the actual reason was sabotage both from within Germany/the administration (see pic, these new special cold-resistant uniforms were supposed to be delivered to 90% of frontline troops but like less than 30% actually reached them) and from the Reich's shitty axis """allies""", Japan most of all. If they had attacked in siberia like they were fucking OBLIGATED to do by treaty then Stalin would have never been able to throw those fresh new divisions to his western front and the persian corridor would have never come into being either
Ha! I know that story, igor and the isgermerdtrzt right?
>Japan most of all. If they had attacked in siberia like they were fucking OBLIGATED to do
Itt retards make up history
It doesn't even matter because communism is a massive failure and they got the last laugh in the end.
Looks like the Chinese invented a new word for "libshit".
In the end you won the great privilege of living on your knees under communism. Congrats.
You lost to poorly armed retards that you outnumbered? Hahahahhah that's even more depressing
What
>Communism is so bad it only works if you dont do it
>communist chinks looking down at American soybois
>communist billionaires
Chinese are jews without the intelligence culture or history
You got to Leningrad and couldn't capture it after a 2 year siege. Moscow was an even bigger city and would have been even tougher to capture.
/thread
>ideology claims that it's just that the strongest always triumph over the weak
>lose the only war you ever fought
fascists BTFO.
>Tfw we lost.
Therefore you're weak and worthless according to your own ideology.
*Befriends communists in the first phase of war*
why
*invades everyone*
does
*Bombs hundreds years old architecture*
everyone
*Robs or destroys art*
hate
*Burns libraries*
us?
*Kills for being intelectual*
Must
*Kills for being a priest*
be
*Sends special units composed of murderers, rapists and pedophiles against civilians*
joos
*Makes up propaganda to justify every crime*
Well thats just wrong
German the Hermans did not get Leningrad because they did have it properly surrounded. Finnish army was on the other side and they were not willing to go in to the City.
And the reason for that was that our leadership was not sure if we should. (due to differences on what the actual goal of the war was)
Icebreaker book. Russian military maps showed germany not russian soil
US lend lease
Nice, a book from a movie script and fiction writer.
China is literally national socialist now
>only 3.5 to 1
Also, The Wehrmacht was outnumbered by the Red Army at the start of Barbarossa, it was only after the initial encirclements (from which thousands of Bolsheviks escaped) that the numbers were roughly even.
Slavs only won because of Anglo help anyway
I think the fuck up in Stalingrad was bigger problem in big scheme of things. If Stalingrad would have fallen, Germans would have gotten to the oil flowing.
Yea no shit you retard, choosing to attack Stalingrad over Moscow was the dumbest fucking move Hitler did, and he made a ton of them. If you're in a room full of some of the best generals in the world telling you to capture the capital as quickly as possible, but instead you say "yea nah, let's rout Stalingrad instead because like, it has Stalin in the name", then you deserve the future you have now, holy shit.
You wish kid. They rolled over you like nobody's business.
without communism china would have the beast mythos history and culture but commies destroy everything
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>degenerate germans portray slavs as a spear-wielding barbarian mongoloids
>b-but its the snow fault, and there were too many of them with spears and stuff, and jews spilled shit in our pants in winter
> also, slavs are not humans so they are more resilient to -30c temps! Not fair!
What a pathetic halfwit mongrel you are.
>1 post
Every time with these losers
BIG mistake
...
Half right.
The problem of oil was becoming bigger, the longer the war went on. He needed Stalingrad
That said, he really was an idiot as an military strategists. That's the problem with dictator style leadership: nobody is actually going to tell you that "no you did not win because you had a nice plan, you won because your generals executed your mediocre plan very very well". Then again, this is on the military leadership, just take Hitler out around 42-43 (you should already know he is an idiot) and Germany would have survived.
You deserved it.
>jews spilled shit in our pants in winter
>We
None of us were even alive at that point in time.
Move forward.
Yes
It was so close, even if one of these big cities (Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad) discussed here (well Stalingrad wasn't that big, but it was very important) would have fallen, it would have changed the path drastically.
Sad.
CRYYYYING IN MYYYY SKIIIIN THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEEEEEAAAAAAL
They were much more numerous than the Germans, and they received billions of dollars of aid from the US. What the fuck is your problem? Are you retarded?
>CRYYYYING IN MYYYY SKIIIIN
>CRYYYYING
It's crawling.
This, based Finn bro.
>Tfw we lost
Show your true flag, burger
Yes, only 3.7 in 1944
>Also, The Wehrmacht was outnumbered by the Red Army at the start of Barbarossa, it was only after the initial encirclements (from which thousands of Bolsheviks escaped) that the numbers were roughly even.
Stop being a dumb dishonest retard any time now, pic very much related.
Turns out naziboos believe that the USSR was just about to attack despite the Red army only fielding half its strenght anywhere near the German border and was in the middle of major re-armament and re-organisation after the purges
Step 1. Convince Hitler from the outset that reasoning with Albion is impossible.
Results in:
1. British army annihilated at Dunkirk instead of being permitted to flee.
2. Immediately storm Gibraltar and lock down the Mediterranean (Fuck Spain, they're no threat and no help). Malta starves and the Reich retains control of the North African oilfields.
3. The Reich is then able to seize the French Fleet at Mers El-kebir in Algeria, instead of permitting the British to destroy it.
4. Use the combined fleet to blockade Britain properly. The RAF and RN soon run out of oil. The starving British overthrow their own (((government))).
America never gets involved in this scenario because the British fail to hold out.
It all comes down to Hitler's belief that the British Government could be reasoned with, but their pride and bankers would never permit it.
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>MUH LEND LEASE
USSR beat Germany alone.
The US gave them minor assistance in finishing the Germans off.
CRAAWLING MY ASS THESE WOUNDS WILL NOT HEAAAAALL
AAAAHHH CANCER IN MY ASS OOOOOOOOOHH
So Stalin was a military genious it seems
>send Soviets fucking Valentines and Matildas in 1944
>"THEY WOULDN'T HAVE WON WITHOUT US"
This is what Americans actually believe.
No, you are, which is why you have to shift the goal posts.
Love this argument btw, not like Germany didnt literally occuppy and steal industries all over Europe including getting free oil from Romania not to mention another million axis allies at the front lmao
>America never gets involved in this scenario because the British fail to hold out.
Could you elaborate on this. Not that familiar on the history from the US side. What were the reasons US got involved in Europe?
What part did Pearl Harbor play (I thought it was big at least in the Pacific, but did it affect their behavior in Europe)?
what salt?
fresh brainwashed wellfed troops that live in the cold and somewhat better clothed against a tierd last punch hungry and cold adversary, isn't not normal you get your ass beaten? and yes they had more numbers, even if soviet forses where surrounded they let them die if they couldn't drop anymore ammo and eventually food to those people and the fear of their families getting hurt if they didn't fought was real. and the sovjet army's leadership came somewhat to their sences too about how to fight that war because there where no more "rebelious" officers to send to the gulag left , they even reinstated officers and soldiers who where send during the purges.
and this too ==>forces that where stationned at the other side of russia could be deliberated too, not because they could, but because they HAD to to prevent the fall of moskou which was a railway hub for the rest of the front besides industry, hence they could move most of savable infrastructure and equipment from falling into german hands.
Show yours you fucking kike
I already have, I wear my proud flagly
>So Stalin was a military genious it seems
No... what the fuck?
Where did I claim that? Does Stalin dwell deeply in how to defend? Is it harder to defend (when you are overpowering the opposition with manpower) or attack while underpowered?
stalin protec hitler attac
and like many others mentionnend already
LENDLEASE
even today in rural russia people still use some lendlease equipment besides their own ural trucks, which where a copy based on the double axed american trucks.
i'd love to drive one one day though..
Itt dumb aussies historically illiterate says dumb shit
Love those north african oil wells that didnt existe, italians supplying even more german troops when they couldnt even supply roomle, invading spain to top it off and then somehow stealing the french fleet in north africa when they couldnt even steal the one at Toulone in France coupled with some more dumb shit you said that I dont feel like btfoing you about
No honest person can deny that man for man they were among the very best warrior people in human history. They were attempting to rectify Germany's geopolitical weakness that would have, in time, destined them to being a second rate power, at the mercy of being squeezed by the great world powers with the space, secure access to resources, and population bases to decide the future of the world.
It's a shame. The world would be 1000x better and less degenerate had the Germans won.
Cry more, amerimutt
How Soviet Union had 22600 tanks in 1941. Maybe icebreaker was right after all. Stalin had top advisor secret mobilization advocate. Forced collectivization in the 1920s was preparing for war. Drafting age change in 1939 doubled the army. Hidden mobilization was stalins game. Ammo was kept outdoors from may 1941 ready to be used. Soviet army dogma was purely offensive. Hitler caught out USSR invasion 2 weeks early, thats why the initial panic in USSR ranks despite the 22600 tanks.
How did Hitler follow the exact same thing Napoleon did and think he could win? Weren't his generals against this idea? Is he stupid, arrogant, a combo of both? I just don't get it.
>What were the reasons US got involved in Europe?
To prevent a huge hostile dictatorship setting up shop only an ocean away.
The US was champing at the bit to shut down Hitler and just spoiling for an excuse because the public wasn't buying the strategic reality. So, the Japs bomb a naval base? Let's all go to war with Germany!
The Pacific theatre was a sideshow even to the US. Preventing a mega-state in Europe was the main goal.
>united Europe opposed to the US
The entirety of US foreign police since 1776 has been devoted to avoiding this.
delusional
All you bring to the table are dispelled myths like the tard you are. You mean those siberian divisions that werent comprised of siberians and never saved moscow because they werent fucking there, its a fucking myth retard.
>russia
>democracy
>capitalist
Shouldn't you go back to servicing Tyrone Mr Burger?
Why are racists eternal losers?
The war isn't over, OP.
>Suvorov-Rezun
Siberian divisions lol. As if siberia is densely populated. More than hidden mobilization and raining far from european eyes.
Training*
Ah yes he cought them 2weeks before invading, thats why they had only half their army near the german border and were outnumbered by the axis lmao while simoultaniously building a line of fortiifications in Poland to replace the Stalin line in Russia
Ahh yes pop book ice breaker written by a writor who does fictional novels and movie scripts and was literally debunked by actual histotians lmao
and also the civilians in moskou where ordered to dig trenches , anti tank ditches among the defencive infrastructure needed to defend the city and where trained the basics of small arms and antitank guns and geurillia urban warfare.
the germans where actually riding up to a hastely well build forteress by the time they got there.
an empty well defended city where the main defence was build in the direction the germans came from, by the things they learned from stalingrad and leningrad
which was remarcable though.
if only the germans had hueys things would be different lol
This expression is from the old Russian anecdote:
>So, the Japs bomb a naval base? Let's all go to war with Germanydumb aussie says more dumb shit and doesnt know the US didnt go to war with Germany but Germany declared war on the US after pearl harbor
Gg
What fucking failiures the Nazis had to be that even our "Red" Riflemen managed to take both SPB and Moscow, while 2 decades later the Germans of all people managed got none with the tech and firepower that they had? Failiures of epic proportions. Maybe they should have actually sought alliance with the Baltics (and the rest of east Europe) and not just be another occupant.
Also what makes you think that a Nazi victory would mean that the war would be over? Most of occupied east European nations would turn on the Nazis right after, when realizing that their newly gained independences were to be dissolved and they turned into "reichcommissariat" serfs to a German "aryan" noble class again.
>Tfw we lost
But YOU WON, THIS is your world, westerner.
Nah, either a cuck or half-kraut mongrel.
Im glad you're not actually addressing any arguments because it would be a waste of time disproving your retadation
Bet you dont even know what khalkin gol was tard
>Tfw so close to triumph.
nope. the war was decided the moment hitler had the great idea of invading russia in winter.
TFW a post on Sup Forums damn near makes you cry