what does Sup Forums think of a man who hasnt lost their virginity into their 30s?
should incels like myself simply seek out prostitutes to join the 'lost my virginity' gang?
are there any long term mental implications that occur once a man has succumbed to the prostitute temptation; e.g. devaluation of women and/or devaluation of self?
just asking for a friend
Virginity means nothing.
I guarantee you, if you fuck an escort afterwards you will feel exactly the same.
Just lie, no one gives a fuck.
go get your dick sucked man
I have yet to be given a reason as to why losing your virginity is so important. Literally the only people who care about other peoples' virginity are degenerate Chads and roasties
>are there any long term mental implications that occur once a man has succumbed to the prostitute temptation; e.g. devaluation of women and/or devaluation of self?
Unlikely, at worst you will realize that sex with someone you don't love is not very fulfilling.
its just that i'm at that age now where being alone and virginal makes people immediately assume theres something wrong with me
Watch every one of these videos until you "get it". These guys will repair your 40-year-old-virgin life forever.
Just accept that not everyone can be happy, that there's only so much joy in the world, and that in this finite market there's none left for you. It's too late for us (29) but we can at least not poison the well so others can find fulfilment and happiness even if we'll die alone and forgotten, and unloved.
Wrong. You feel awesome after fucking a pornstar-tier woman.
Or paying for sex may make you more comfortable/relaxed that you did it so it might make it easier for you. But IDK i m 19 now soon 20 and thinking of paying for it, since i m to austic when talking to women. What does pol think? should i pay for it,
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I am jealous of you, OP. I'm 27 and have slept with over 20 women. It isn't the relationship model you want. I wish I could start over and have everything be fresh and fun with the woman I marry, I really really do.
So that should hearten you. Don't go the prostitute route. Just better yourself to find the best mate possible and do the dirty with them all the time.
I'm not the only one saying this. Wilt Chamberlain had a lot of sex. At the end of it all he said it was far better to fuck one woman ten thousand ways than to fuck ten thousand women one way.
I've only slept with 21 and I already have to agree with him.
If it makes you feel any better 20 men will never know that with the 20 women you fucked.
Do it.
Youre so brainwashed by movies and different ideologies that your first time is supposed to be something special, that youre trying to make it an ideal that you will never reach and because of it youre putting pussy on the pedestal.
If you bang a prostitute or two, your handling of women will increase, because you will be not a total nerve wreck next time you smell the attraction of a woman to you and see them for what they are : Other people which are more emotional than men.
Trust me, its not a big deal. Use it as practice for when somebody appears that you think is worthy to commit to. Then you can learn the difference between sex with feelings and just sex for emptying your nutsack.
I paid a woman 1000 to have sex with me in my 30s
Worst choice of my life
Overrated as fuck having sex comes nowhere close to masturbation after 30 years of perfecting
Yeah. Nobody good cares or it isn't their business. Nobody needs to know. If you're getting close to a girl, tell her then. That you were waiting for her.They are mercilessly hit on and they may appreciate it. Or if youre determind to lose it, try an older woman, they are less judgemental and will make you a snack after.
Or he can just accept that he'll never have a woman attracted to him? I have. It's sad but it is the truth.
Why would any woman want to be with someone like me or OP?
It does not change much when you are single. I have slept with ~10 women and I feel as miserable as when I was virgin. I just wish I made the previous relationship worked out better.
If you're a virgin over 20 no woman would want to be with you anyway. Why would she want to be with some pathetic twerp when she could pick out her phone and find someone just like you (or better at what she likes about you) and isn't a virgin?
>they may appreciate it.
They wouldn't appreciate it as much as some guy who can give her 20 screaming orgasms in as many minutes (exaggeration, but you get my point).
I'll tell you what I think. You're a big fat PUSSY. Here's why. I have seen the fattest, ugliest guys - dudes who literally look like Michael Moore, pull qts and gf them. I myself am a goofy looking DYEL skellington with an overbite and I've slain so much fine vagene it would make you cry. The ONLY THING holding you back is your mind - you have a "wiring problem." Either you're a timid social anxiety pussy who's afraid to talk to girls, or you're a socially retarded supreme gentleman who doesn't know how to act. Sort yourself out m7+1. Honestly, the absolute STATE of you faggots...
The ugly truth is that virginity is an attractive quality in a woman, however the opposite is correct for men.
But HOW teach me!
The only risk of seeing a high end escort is how stupid you will feel afterwards for not doing it sooner.
The only long term downside to regularly renting women is to your bank account.
Fucking wake up and do it already. Live your life user.
i'm the fat michael moore type you're talking about and it took me 29 years for me to figure this out. there's a great article online about how to reel in fish from POF.com, and it was pretty insightful. i had a few fat practice slags to lose my virginity to, and then i got a lot more confident and had about 4 hookups a week. it was like going from 0-60; between the month of April and May in 2014, I fucked around 22 different women. it's a simple 2-date system, and it worked on 4 out of 5 girls.
i always thought women had higher standards, but its all in your head bros. it's like a terrible car commercial: got a car? Got a credit score above 600? Got a job? A place of your own (even if it is a crappy studio apartment)? You WILL get laid.
i've told that story 100+ times on /adv/ and 100+ times on /fit/, but nobody ever listens.
LOSE Your virginity ASAP man because when you are 30 and still virgin,you are loser.
If you get into bed with a woman,you will fail pretty hard. Pay prostitute to get laid man,or your first sex with your normal woman will be total fail and your selfconfidence will go down pretty bad.
but I'm a virgin for Christ. Is that acceptable?
You'd be okay if you weren't concerned about that fact so much and just went on working on your skills and art and whatnot.
There's not much difference, except for maybe confidence after you've had sex. I don't know if you get confidence from fucking an escort, as I've never payed for sex in my life.
>The ONLY THING holding you back is your mind
What's wrong with that?
Not everyone should breed, and I'm more than accepting (not happy, just accepting) to be one that lives a lonely life so someone else can be happy.
I knew from 13 that I'd never be happy and never have sex, and now 17 years later I'm right and because I crossed the point of no return a decade ago things aren't going to change.
I wouldn't want to subject a woman to have to be with me anyway, I have too much respect for humanity in general to remove a woman capable of breeding from the pool for my own selfishness.
It's Sunday morning.
Why aren't you getting ready to praise our Christian Father in heaven?
The longer a person stays a virgin in the Christian community, the more respect they garnish from those who attend church.
If you pay a hooker for sex, you truly are an incel.
I explain how to restore semblance to our Christian culture in my manifesto.
>ProjectLifeguard.net
AMEN
shut up faggot. if you don't want pussy, you're probably gay. just admit it.
if you really think you should avoid dirtying the gene pool, you should seriously consider removing yourself from the possibility of breeding entirely, either by cutting off your genitals or killing yourself.
Personally, I would suggest the latter.
Being respected by old women wont get you a girlfriend.
Okay you want an alpha lesson? I'll tell you exactly what to do so take notes. Go to the local shops. When you see a fit bird, say "NICE ARSE" and when she turns her around to see who said it, don't have a shy timid look on your face (that's "creepy") have a big shit eating grin trollface that says "that's right, I said it!" Next, either she will say "sod off perv!" (in which case you win because you triggered an uptight cunt) OR she will giggle nervously (in which case you win because you're about to slay.) THERE IS NO LOSE SCENARIO
>you're probably gay
Nope. Why assume that.
I would love to have a wife and children, but that's never going to happen so why bother getting angry and over-emotional over it?
And besides, if I kill myself then the system would lose my tax payments meaning the infrastructure used by parents wouldn't be weaker (only by a small amount, but it all adds up).
I never lie about it. Whenever the topic comes up I say it very matter-of-factly like I would any other simple fact.
>Yea it's raining.
>Yea it's cold.
>Yea I'm a virgin.
What always confuses and annoys me is when people start trying to help or coach me.
>Let me introduce you to some girls.
>Get on Tinder.
>Just be confident, be yourself, you have to put yourself out there!
>When you hire a prostitute make sure you don't kiss her, do oral, and always use condoms.
As if a 31-year-old guy in 2018 can't be a virgin by choice. I keep telling them the reason I'm no married or dating is because I hate people in general and prefer to be alone and somehow it doesn't register into their brains.
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>american flag
>"sod off perv!"
lie lol. nobody can't tell for men.
i hope you are not one of those soy cucks with guilt trips from lying
You just described 1 of the reasons womens re responsible for civilization collapse. Modern women, they only go for alpha males, even he has multiple choices while the rest of beta males are dying off. She would ride many dicks to fullfill her empty soul and purpose leaving her alone in her 30s with iritiatning dog or cat in small flat, angry at men and whole World. Those girls who are lucky enough woudl find some guy, not knowing of her slutty past.
Been there, seen that many times. Hooked up with few of aforementioned girls while they were top Staceys, they are now becoming fat or alcoholics after they realized they have no purpose in life.
Even ugly fucks had a chance because of agreement in society that there should be monogamous partnerships, thats why western world accomplished so much because male energy was focused on building for the future, it had something to work for - aka. family & society.
Sexual freedoms made women sluts and men pornography addicts, lost and without any will and focus for the future.
+PLUS, women are not too much loyal, they would fuck with whoever suits them most, even from other side of World. Look at French women who fucked Nazis during WW2. Their heads were shaved and they did walk of shame on streets after war.
>get on tinder
Terrible advice for anything but the very top of the hierarchy. For a normal man a woman with tinder means she's on her way out because no matter how much she might like you there'll be aman on there that's you but better in what she likes about you and has less of your flaws. "You" cannot compete with "You+".
I have a date tomorrow night. it's my first date in a very long itme (5+ years). I'm not a virgin though and even once upon a time was in a long-term relationship with a girl I thought I was going to marry.
But I'm really nervous about the sex aspect to dating. I stopped masturbating last week, so I would at least be ready for Monday night in case anything happens, but I probably have only had sex a few times in my life total. I don't want to come off as nervous and inexperienced though. Should I be expecting sex after the second date? We haven't even kissed yet. Why is being a normie so hard?
If you're spending any amount of time thinking about it just go ahead and get a prostitute. I'd say the feeling of guilt associated with using a prostitute will still be less debilitating than still being a virgin in your 30s.
I'm 32, subjectively good looking and athletic guy. I'm also a wizard. I think I'm just fucked in my head. Oh well.
>first date
It's my second date with this girl actually, I misspoke.
It's because their advice focuses on just losing virginity as fast and easily as possible. They don't understand how little regard I hold for virginity or sex, and they can't be made to understand. Virginity to them is like some parasite that needs to be shed off, cleaned and sterilized, forgotten about, and never mentioned again.
I've pretty much accepted that I'm "socially broken" but that doesn't mean I'm a psychopath or broken as a person. My entire family, and most of my hometown are either evil or retarded so I have a very hard time coming to trust people. I also prefer to keep to myself. I'm pretty ok looking, I get along with most everyone I meet, but the idea of becoming "friends" with someone or becoming "intimate" just seems like too much work with too little reward to me.
I don't get why the incels think that sex is some magical solution to their problems.
is there any hope for an autist, or are we all just going to be virgins
>should incels like myself simply seek out prostitutes to join the 'lost my virginity' gang?
Fuck no
I was replying to a brit so I used his savage bing bong wobbly gong language so he could understand
I think it's just a form of cultural programming. You gotta have a nice car, nice clothes, lots of sex, and listen to the right music or you're worthless. Whoever is behind the programming is up for debate, especially on Sup Forums.
If you haven't lost your virginity at 30 that means you must have a good reason ie: academic or career progress
How is that even possible. I'm no Chad but the moment I started high school girls were so sexually aggressive towards me my 13 year old self couldn't help it. Even my ugly loser gamer friends got laid with girls who were never worse than a 4 and NEVER fat.
Like I said, I just accepted that sad truth that happiness and companionship (even purely physical) is something I'll never know. I used to be angry about it for a long time but now I'm just sad, but at least I have accepted it.
ITT MASSIVE AMOUNT OF VIRGIN BETAS HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH YOU CANT MAKE THIS UP HAHHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHBA
>How is that even possible.
It's just not something that will ever happen to me.
>Even my ugly loser gamer friends got laid with girls who were never worse than a 4 and NEVER fat.
Well, good for them I suppose.
I just never even bothered to try and be with a woman, because I know I'd never be able to please her either emotionally or physically.
When I was your age i had performance anxiety even though I was really horny all the time and couldn't walk around without popping a boner everywhere. If I was to give myself at your age advice I would say to fly to Thailand and fuck as many whores as you can in 2 weeks, or even do it annually. I fell into the trap of putting women in a pedestal, I would have had a better life of I understood how truly worthless most women are. Much easier to see that if you can satisfy your biological urges.
I was to nervous of what other people thought if I got a girlfriend (completely irational I know) and after school I became a recluse, I don't even think I'm ugly
The saddest thing is that's exactly what supreme gentlemen believe: nice car + looks + muscle + money = sex. Elliot Roger had all those things and couldn't get laid. A true alpha needs nothing. You can be broke, ugly and use a bus pass to get around, but if you have confidence and a sense of humor, you will slay vagene
Yes but make sure you get a good escort, they are used to sometimes having virgin cliens so if you tell them its your first time it will go even better
>I have a very hard time coming to trust people.
it's not trust issues, but fear of connection for me. I could get laid on few occasions, but chickened out for some reason. I'm religious, but I don't think that was just it. Anyway, at 32 it's not all lost yet, but I know I'm close to hitting "the wall" for men, so in 2018 I'll try extra hard to get to know someone better and possibly form some relationship with them.
I never was angry about it because I know the problem is with me and not other people
>what is confirmation bias
mostly virgin betas and dumb bullies like you entered this thread
You are homosexual,but people accept homosexuals so you are fine. Its not a problem but beware of muslims.
Not really sure if I'd call it a good reason. I've just never actively gone out and tried to find a mate, and the girls that I've come to like (3, maybe 4 total) never liked me at the same time.
The more I'm around people the more these things come up. I don't want to risk sounding like a neckbeard or fedoron but I'm just not interested in it. I steal my sense of humor from Sup Forums, though, so I make people laugh all the time.
The problem is definitely with me, but it also seems that every person I try to get close to or open up with screws me over somehow, even if just in some little way. Don't get me wrong, companionship and love would be a great thing and I would love to experience it, I just don't expect to find it at any point in my life.
Top Kel AND lel!
i'm a 29yo virgin...i'm not looking to fuck. I'm looking for a girlfriend...I've had a couple before and almost lost it with the last one. I'm really shy and never randomly talk to girls i don't know...so it's kinda something I have to work on...
It's not that I fear connections, it's that I'm just entirely undeserving of that connection. I have nothing that would make a woman want to be with me, even in a transient sexual encounter.
Most young men who use Sup Forums are gamma.
You're in a thread full of gamma virgins.
Careful what you say.
what does Sup Forums think of a man who hasnt lost their virginity into their 30s?
>man
They will be enslaved and used as a fodder in the upcoming race war, those who make it out alive will be pitted to fight to the death against sluts for our entertainment.
Same thing goes for manlets.
Losing your virginity to a hooker won't really make you feel any better. It's just a more expensive and better way to masturbate, you're not making love. As far as 30+ year old incels, I mean, there will be a lot more than there have been in previous generations but it's nowhere near as big a phenomenon as people in these threads like to act. I'm almost in that group and I can confidently say that there are not that many people like us.
Good luck with keeping a girlfriend when you can't live up to the Chads she's been with before.
Like I said, I'm past the point of no return so i've just accepted it. Would have been nice to at least kiss and girl and felt love, but here we are.
Woah... What pill even is that?
Sex is overrated. This is probably infuriating to hear (I know it was when I was still a virgin), but once it happens you'll wonder what all the fuss was about, and why you allowed it to consume your thoughts about yourself.
worst advice ever.
>be finland
>cat call
>get arrested for sexual harrasment
If you're not a virgin, you don't deserve a virgin on your wedding night.
Hold tightly to your integrity. Let Jesus Christ begin to form you.
30 year old (H)andholdless (H)ugless (K)issless (V)irgin here.
I dropped out of HS at age 15, just stayed shut-in since then, never had friends, never spoken to a female my own age at any point in my life, not even in formal situations.
I lift weights and eat healthy, so I stay in shape, I'm also not ugly or anything. Just have a mental disorder that went undiagnosed for a long time until very recently.
I think saying the only reason a living creature is born is overrated is a bit silly.
Don't know, but it's how I feel. I knew since 13 that I'd never know love, happiness, enjoyment, etc. so going without it doesn't make me angry, just sad that this fate has to be mine, but if not me then someone else.
Why would a woman be remain a virgin?
>2k18
>not marrying the first woman you fuck
The absolute state of the west. You degenerates make me want to marry a jewess. Atleast they are smart enought not to fuck losers like you
>illegal to hit on chicks
No wonder the white race is dying. Fuck's sake
well, the things youre' able to fix - fix them. Just for yourself. The ones you can't fix, you have to get over them. If it won't make you laid, it will definitely make you feel better about yourself. At the end of the day you will know you did all you could.
I have an extremely low sex drive for some reason and I never felt an overbearing need to go and have sex with someone
I'm 31, well adjusted in society, liked with a great corporate job in IT but single and pretty much determined to remain so. If there were low sex drive women out there I could get with one but I doubt they exist.
My nieces if they dont grow up to be whores will inherit a small fortune.
Literally how I've felt about everything for the past 3 or 4 years. I guess I'm just not cut out for shit. I have 30 year single moms out for my job and my house but I won't even begin to consider even hanging out with one because I know that I missed my window for finding someone decent.
Kangaroo raping you doesn't count
Why? If it wont change anything why do it?
> At the end of the day you will know you did all you could.
And nothing will result from it. I'm 29. It's too late for this now.
> I missed my window for finding someone decent.
I don't even deserve someone decent, and someone indecent wont want me.
A virgin Chad deserves a virgin Stacy.
I know plenty of Christian women who held onto their virginity until marriage.
Most of them married off before 21 though.
The men who married young lost the ability to gain a single man's wisdom.
Most of them are now pussy-whipped.
If you're 30 and your wife is 20, there's no way she's going to be wearing the pants.
Now start getting ready for church and invest that money in digital currency.
You don't please the woman, she pleases you
What you're doing is giving her reasons to stay and continue to please you
>I have seen the fattest, ugliest guys - dudes who literally look like Michael Moore, pull qts and gf them.
No you have not.
> I myself am a goofy looking DYEL skellington with an overbite and I've slain so much fine vagene it would make you cry.
Post pic of yourself. Oh you won't because you are acutally a super good looking Chad that thinks he attracted females thanks to his "personality" (LOL)
>My nieces if they dont grow up to be whores will inherit a small fortune.
Same thing with me. I've already got a house and am halfway through the mortgage. I'll probably trade up and keep increasing it so that I can leave a piece of property with value rather than pure cash.
>A virgin Chad deserves a virgin Stacy.
And there's no reason for a Chad or a Stacy to ever remain a virgin.
>If you're 30 and your wife is 20,
Why would a 20 year old want to be with me when she's got so many more and better options?
I think obsessing about sex is more harmful than being a virgin. Don't get me wrong, it's sad af to be a virgin at 30+ but in the end you're the one that's putting yourself down for it. If it's simply the act of sex you want just pay an escort to do it. They're better at it than your average woman. There's no magic to sex.
What men really want is an actual meaningful relationship with a self-respecting woman. With that, great sex will come naturally, but better yet you will have someone to fall asleep with and wake up with, which is worth more in the long run.
Idk what to talk about when with women just no topics come to my mind. And thing is i m actually pretty good looking. I m thinking of hoping over the border and losing virginity to a prostitute ( I read that prostitution in Hungary is legal). So that i m more comfortable when around women. Also i like women, they are good looking, femine and generally always much better and nicer person than any man, man are usually hard scum
I have been fucking prostitutes for a while now. I spend far less money than dating women I can't even relate to emotionally. Not everyone is cut for the relationship bullcrap, user.
I didn't dropped out of school, but my circumstances aren't that different. It's weird really
>Why?
because you can
you can look like Greek god or you can look like piece of shit. The choice is easy in my opinion. Do it for youself. Or don't. At the end of the day it's your choice obviously.
And no woman would ever want to put that effort into me, because I'm not worth it and entirely undeserving.
fix without site just in case*
33 yo kissless handholdless virgin here, get on my level.
I am athletic as fuck, almost 2m tall, great sense of humour, a lot of friends, 2 apartments and a house, well paying job. My friends think I slay pussy 24/7 and ask me about advice concerning their gfs and wives all the time. Top fucking kek.
>get an escort
1. I fear disease
2. The idea of fucking a girl that is there only for the money is quite repulsive
>why are you still a virgin?
Dunno, either I am broken in some way or it was my small dick preventing me from pursuing chicks when I was growing up (12 cm).
Either way, I am past the caring stage, I do sports and plan to live a long life, already have places to live and money saved, it will only get better in terms of good living and money as I age. My niece and nephew will inherit a fucking fortune lol.
>There's no magic to sex.
It is for me. If I imagine myself doing it I feel disgusted and start laughing at how absurd it seems.
Why does she have a maxipad on her face?
>Do it for youself.
So masturbation, essentially?