Ok, someone redpill me on how is this NOT civil nationalism...

Ok, someone redpill me on how is this NOT civil nationalism. Isn't the point of ethnonationalism is having a majority of people of the same ethnic background?!

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We need to gas whatever the fuck the 'althype' is. Good fucking god I miss when only actual Neonazis had the balls to talk about this stuff

ryan is an open homosexual that's been btfo. no one takes him seriously. which is why everyone on the alt-right were giving him shit the other night for fucking up badly on the stream. he uses outdated material for his scientific research too: archive.is/REiHr

And yet they suck his dick in all the e-celeb threads.

The point of the ethno-state is to have a White supra-majority, a White elite and self determination.

It doesn't have to be 100% White, it needs to be at least 90%+ White, and dominated by Whites.

What was the 3rd Reich model? Something about citizens and quests etc.

I should rephrase my point, The point of the ethno-state isn't NECESSARILY to be 100% White, it just has to have a White supra-majority and rule.

For instance envision a scenario where we are in control of the entire United States, it would be sensible to tolerate the presence of some non-Whites as long as they're cornered off in their own space.

Whites and based "whites"? How do you go and accept people of different races to an ethnostate and then go and tell others no entry? The could make the claim of "but we're based too!!" And soon the ethnostate ends up looking like Sup Forums when T_D faggots flooded.

kys nazi retard. ethnostate is just a word that everyone can understand. all we want is a 95% non-larping white majority

This is called strategic appeal to normies. As the tide moves further and further in our favor, we can continue pushing the envelope and tightening our limits.

Forbid any non-White immigration and put a cap on immigration in the constitution. Replacing the current anti-White Jewish/shabbosgoy-Anglo elite should also prevent that.

Moreover we're not talking about letting these people vote and participate in politics or letting them integrate into White society, they should obviously be segregated into their own territory.

>all these people talking about the ethnostate being a happy-go-lucky classical liberal country with hapas, half jews and based blacks
The Ethnostate is going to be a filter state, whose only purpose is to lead the way to the creation of a higher type of man. It has nothing to do with 1950's America, and it has nothing to do with 1940's Germany. It will basically be high-tech Sparta.

>88 larping faggot optics
man, you 3rd reich revival faggots sure know how to paint conservatives in a bad light. Youre ironically, IRONICALLY, the kikes most useful idiot
>t. pure blood, purer than any of you shitbergs

They can stay in the embassy.

You don't even know what conservative means, you dumb faggot.

That would be 1% shy of Ireland you faggot. I don't want another Ireland, browns still can move there.

Nothing wrong with having a immigrant population that doesn't exceed 5%

Problem in the West is we have brought in immigrants who dont want to work, and think its our job to pay for them to breed.

Get rid of these types, keep the immigrant pop under 5% and i dont see why it wouldnt work out.

it sure as fuck doesnt mean bowing down to alt right faggots trying to usurpt the narrative.
>muh ethnostate
that ship sailed a LONG time ago my kike faggot friend, maybe if you were advocating this immediately post-1965 youd have a chance

Define conservative you slimy kike.

Good, now how do you stop them from fucking and reproducing faster without having a possible internal conflict?

Limiting them to their own little space and preventing them from participating in politics should be suitable, they can breed as much as their little territory can hold, it's not gonna be in our society or political system.

I'm thinking of a Jim Crow, Native Reservations, Apartheid setup.

Economic Nationalism as propagated by Trump is the best form of conservatism we have, better than jew boot licker neocons.
>facism
Quit with the larp, your horseshit killed 10's of millions of white european men in the 20th century. quit being the kikes most useful idiot. Optics matter. Look at charlottsville. One fatass died and everyone started calling the right "nazis". Well dumbshit, nazis are equivalent to evil in the minds of normies.

National Socialist Germany allowed foreigners to live in the country but they had less rights than Germans and Germans were prioritized for jobs. As long as whites are put first, having a few non whites shouldn't be a problem.

This is retarded. As white nationalism grows in popularity, fuckloads of non-whites are going to gravitate towards it. You would have an ethnostate with a majority non-white population.

Also some non Germans were given "honorary aryan" status
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!!?? YOU’RE A DISGUSTING DESTINY SHILL, GTFO OF MY BOARD!!

They also lost the fucking war.

You natsoc LARP virgins really aren't good at thinking about the big picture.

Honorary aryans will be meds and slavs, not non-whites

Economic nationalism is not a real thing you fucking retard. It's not even conservative in the economic sense.

Read the article, NatSoc Germany granted it to Japanese and some JEWS, it was about loyalty to Germany more than anything.

What's the big picture?

Like pointed out that won't end good. Jim Crow laws were removed by those same whites that had the power at the time and many germans sabotage their own state during the Nazi regime. This guy is fucking retarded I don't care if he shills for our side.

I meant

he's talking about the irish

Its retarded beyond the sight of god. Regardless of if it would be good or if this is the right thing to do, you aren't going to achieve it. No matter what. This kind of change can't happen without large consequences noone is going to tolerate. Its so stupid and pointless since it can never be done realistically. Massive amounts of minorities and those that disagree, are you going to advocate their slaughter? Its insane that these autists think anyone is going to approve of this outside their little club. They shouldn't be wasting their time on impossibilities and focus on possible goals.

How exactly would it be created? How would you not cause riots among your own army and police forces?

Again how the FUCK is that not civic cuckery?

>the sargonite barges in
Did we not go to the moon, faggot?

kek, I know it is necessary, but I find it hilarious when we tell skeptics that this would be complete non-violent for optics reasons, we say we'd use incentives to remove the niggers, spics, and pakis, but in reality the second the alt right or the greater racially aware nationalist movement takes control we're just going to send brown shirt/volkssturm to niggers houses and have them removed by force. Mass deportation is possible with little resistance, despite whatever Styx says with his retarded libertarian, Americana fever dream of Libertarian partisans going guerrilla and opening firing on fascists .

There were people with Jewish heiritage in the Waffen SS. Exactly what percentage of WN minorities are you expecting to have to deal with? 100% white isn't realistic - hell there's going to be nonwhites no matter what because lol embassies.

Oh - so it was due to a handful of nonwhites that Germany lost the war? No economics, a multi-front conflict and constant bombing? Don't be a moron.

IDK but if it is you'd better stop using that meme flag.

>100% white is not realistic
why?

Hitler didn't destroy Europe, America destroyed Europe and worked with the commies while doing so. You amerimutts are pathetic.

Theoretically, even a state the held homogeny as an ideal could have any level of tolerance based on sympathy, practicality, charity or other reasons.

Alt Hype is fucking awesome, fuck off and stop trying to divide us

Telling people that we will accept pro-white nonwhites HELPS US WIN IN THE PRESENT. We don't have to do everything we say later IF WE EVEN GET THAT FAR.

massive faggot, Ryan has been spreading White nationalism for almost 10 years now and setting the scene for the rise of White identity today.

Real Neo Nazis didn't get on streams with thousands of people and make tons of new people consider whether or not they should support White nationalism.

> t.le 56%

no shitskins no mongrels no americans

I like Shawarma

>lets form an ethnonation based on lies, kek we will kick/gas them after

Yeah as if that's not going to provoke a very violent response from the rest of the world right?

Don't, we'll import it.

EVERYONE SHOULD REALIZE THAT THIS IS A SHILL THREAD USED TO MAKE US INFIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE ARE BTFOING THE SHIT OUT OF THE SKEPTARDS, AND THEY WANT US TO TURN ON THE ALT HYPE/RYAN FAULK INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO WIN.

CRITICIZE ALT HYPE, DON'T HATE HIM OR SAY YOU WANT TO GAS HIM. ALT HYPE FIGHTS FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN AND HE SCARES THE ANTI WHITES.

Don't worry*

>Haha I'm glad none of my Sup Forums friends will fall for this obvious divide and conquer thread!

We don't have to model the ethnostate exactly after the third reich. The problem with the alt-right is that many of them are weebs, who are (for reasons I will never understand) totally immersed in mongoloid culture. Mongoloids are just as racially disparate, if not more so, in terms of cephalic index, facial morphometry, etc, as negroids. We need separation from them if whites are to keep their racial integrity.

Never ever compromise. Gas chambers all the way

Imo it's a betrayal of the point of ethno nationalism, but I am not an ethno nationalist.

Right because the antiwhites are going to be totally honest about everything they do, let's just be boyscouts and suck every nonwhite cock on the planet fucking earth!

>BTFOING
Just say BTFO. The -ing goes on the B. As in Blowing The Fuck Out.

Hope that helps brainlet

>Yeah as if that's not going to provoke a very violent response from the rest of the world right
Do you seriously think that the rest of the world can or will do shit to the US?

He's apparently being retarded.
The only "non-whites" that would be allowed in the Ethno State are those who display majority white phenotypes, but have a

The solution is to figure out how to use gene editing in order to allow non-White White Nationalists to become White.

Even if we really wanted to make transition to an ethnostate as peaceful and harmless as possible, the inevitable blowback and resistance in and of itself would require a violent crackdown.

In for a penny, in for a pound, and at that point we may as well just start burning Pakis for fuel.

The mission of the anti-whites right now is to make us seem like psychotic brown-people-hating retards. It doesn't mean shit if we say right now that we will accept nonwhites. It means nothing. It makes more white people open to us.

Anti-Alt Hype is codeword for Anti-White

>I'm okay with a 90% white nation
Why even bother then, cowards? Imagine a line of 100 people and every percent shitskin is another shitskin. Who wants even 1%?

I don't hate niggers, I hate democrats (The joke being that 99% of niggers are democrats.)
The main objective of creating an ethnostate is to remove all the kikes and other undesirables undermining our civilization, burning down the forest as a solution to the problem.
One of the SS higher ups turned out to be jewish but kept his position because of his dedication.
Always kill a traitor before an enemy.

just repeal the fair housing act. easy peezy.

At least be honest and say its fucking civic nationalism what this guy is advocating. We have enough good figures like Spencer and Millenial Woes arguing for an actual Ethnostate than use this faggot to push civic nationalism. Imo its not the best strategy because it leaves you open for attacks of inconsistency by the other side.

>Imo its not the best strategy because it leaves you open for attacks of inconsistency by the other side
Yeah, it's much better to go full 1488 race war nao

no faggot, it's not

The official Israeli policy that kikes present is that Arabs are equal Israeli citizens. Now, everyone knows that's bullshit, but that's fucking propaganda.

Alt Hype is a fucking genius and is doing smart propaganda. We need a special status for White people and a definition of the state as a White people run and dominated state. You're being retarded.

Alt hype likes to have sex with asian twinks. He was exposed for this, but the fact fell down the memory hole. He want's there to be a white ethnostate which includes 5% asian twinks.

Nope. :( Just watch Millenial Woe's stream with Sargoy. It's okay for us to keep some of the Indians in the U.K. he said... It was one of the very long two streams he recently did with him.
youtube.com/watch?v=YrifNqi2qjo

This movement's "leaders" are very questionable.

>Imo its not the best strategy because it leaves you open for attacks of inconsistency by the other side.
This is the biggest problem with cucking. Unfortunately, we let some 19 year old kekistani barge into the Alt Right and start bitching about optics (aka PRcucking). At the end of the day, the ethnostate is not for liberal whites, as much as it is not for rightwing non-whites. It's a highly exclusive and selective state, and it must be so by definition. By the way, it has nothing to do with the US or any country within Western Civilization. Western Civilization was built and maintained by anglo-kikes, and it is an abomination, but it has nothing to do with the white man of the future.

Even if that were true, who does that help? Alt Hype is bringing thousands more people to thinking in pro-white terms. You dumb fucking faggot.

It's because of people like Ryan who have been working for years on it that White nationalism is just RIGHT NOW having its day in the sun. Attack Sargon and the other anti-white cunts, stop crying about Ryan being a weirdo.

t. shill

Stop being a dumbass. Jim Crow and Apartheid setups failed because they depended on successive generations having the same exact values as the one who enacted it. So when your kids or grandkids inevitably drift to a more liberal outlook they will dismantle those states.

Theres two ways to have an ethnestate. Either 100% white or 90%+ white with minorities which will intermarry with whites and become indistinguishable from the majority in a few generations, while at the same time only allowing further immigration from other whites.

As long as the population of Canada remains at least 90% French/British/Anglo Saxon, I don't care if I have to see some minorities around as along as they remain the minority. I mean, odds are, you're still going to see some with tourists, foreign students, diplomats or businessmen/women in the country. I want ethno-nationalism applied to all countries, but I'm willing to make some compromises if it means most of the country belongs to its indigenous people, which should include the Natives/Aboriginals, if they exist in their respective countries.

Some of the Alt-Right's proposals just sound unrealistic. I mean, deporting all non-Whites, even the Aboriginals/Natives and Black slaves we forced to migrant here? It's just not feasible. These people don't have a homeland or people to go back to anymore, especially considering they're probably interracial products like the American Africans, who are, on average, 1/4 White European.

I just don't feel triggered seeing some foreigner, and I don't feel like harassing that person, especially if I don't know if this person is a permanent immigrant, or some temporary visitor, student, or tourist.

Watch the stream faggot. Then call me a shill after you're done. I don't remember where it is but it's there.

Don't blindly support leaders. Form your own ideas and question things. Look into evidence and don't be a sheep.

Ryan hates niggers so much that he wouldn't live around them even if they integrated into white culture and committed crime at similar levels to whites. He's obviously saying this as a way to save face because the recent debates regarding the creation process of an ethnostate, on Andy's steam, has made the movement look like their okay with committing ethnic cleansing. If that perception persists, than people like Alt Hype will get booted right off youtube/twitter. I also heard Woes say something about being more careful when it comes to answering questions related to removing non-whties from white countries.

Imo, this tip toeing and being fake is going to kill the movement because no one will fall for it. Might as well be honest and just admit that you're cool with slaughtering niggers if they refuse to leave the country. Yes, we are nazis, time to start embracing it, instead of running from it.

Already seen it, you're the sheep if you can't see that we're on the verge of opeing up hundreds of thousands if not illions to Alt Right thinking. And you're crying because Alt Hype isn't hardcore enough. Fuck off

>The point of the ethno-state isn't NECESSARILY to be 100% White

imagine being this stupid
imagine being this fucking stupid

You'll be gassed ryan, you shrill gaylord

Alternative Hypothesis: He's a complete degenerate like most faggots and has a long history of posts online discussing all kinds of depraved things like race mixing, etc.
I find that when people advocate for certain things that introduce cognitive dissonance, they're usually taking part in them.
An early 20th century Feminist writer named Margaret Mead once wrote a book about Somoan Culture not having penalties for women who cheat on their husbands. Women lapped that garbage up despite it being patently false.
It came out later that she was having affairs and was using this false reality to justify her actions.

If you begin to notice a consistent trend in Alt-Hype's work beginning now that continues to suggest that a white ethno state shouldn't be DNA tested to allow only 85% whites and up, then he probably has a lot of black boyfriends.

Also
>If you compromise on all your beliefs, you'll gain more support by appealing to more
Bullshit, that's not working for Christianity at all. It just means that you're weak and you barely believe your own convictions are true.


Alt Hype does good work compiling information related to heritability and racial differences, but occasionally the types of things he tries to extrapolate out of it is blatantly pseudoscience or shaky at best.
He's not integral to our position, except for the information he occasionally provides. He's certainly not a good mouthpiece.

>Alt hype spastically white knighting himself itt
Die of AIDS assmaster. NO ethnostate for you.

>Might as well be honest and just admit that you're cool with slaughtering niggers if they refuse to leave the country. Yes, we are nazis, time to start embracing it, instead of running from it.
Just curious, what's your game plan here? You'll gather your 1% supporters and start waging civil war on the 99%, with the goal of taking over entire US? Or do you think that this whole gas all niggers shtick is going to get normies on your side and win you popular support?

Embassies, tourists, hell even North Korea has a couple white expats running around it. I wouldn't say that means the DPRK isn't an ethnostate. Some uncle tom or extremely self-loathing 1/2 Jew isn't going to destroy the genetics of the nation - especially with anti-miscegenation laws and a culture shift.

I don't want to purity spiral - I want a country that ensures whites will always be the ruling masters and never in existential peril.

I wasn't talking about the Alt Hype. I was referring to Millennial Woes. And I was letting you know he is okay with "based" Indians. And doesn't bother to look at the demographic trends and where they vote and what kind of societies they want.

Also if the movement is co-oped it doesn't fucking matter if it succeeds. I'm unsure if Millennial Woes does believe this but if he makes exceptions the rule instead of looking at the majority of the people of the population and what they will do when in a country that isn't there own... I feel as though he should be educated.

I'm saying he seems to be okay with exceptions defining a population and not looking at the trends of a population. I believe he is incorrect in this regard and this line of thinking is not accurate.

>the only solution is balkanization and civil war, there is absolute no other way
t. white nationalists

>we can only have a 99.9% pure ethnostate
>this means we should allow 10% of the population to be non-white

checked
>why would he advocate for pro-white partial whites.

it sets a precedent for the acceptance of in-grouping. like the wall, we're all aware of ladders but boundaries are symbols of solidarity

moreover, lets face it. a lot of this discussion is about niggers. mexicans can tolerate nazis because they aren't entirely niggers.

if you live in burgerland, you might have met a halfbreed or a quadroon. they're visibly concerned that they're going to accidentally revert to being nignogs. they never get too angry because they've seen nogs chimp out, they're just white enough to recognize it as chimping out, and naturally they don't want to be seen devolving.

there's a big market for this. imo the AltRight is moving towards balkanizing Separatism where the particularity of your group is less relevant to the point of the issue. it will probably always be shared highways, airports and certain other industries. beyond that, we can ally with radical catholics, hoteps, mexicans, faggots, the natives, maybe even jews. basically anyone besides cat-ladies, shitskins and literal niggers: the parasite cultures we want to get away from

i think ryan is getting to this. he had some ridiculous prototype something that he was calling 'omniseparatism' which is stupid. he's getting there tho. he's working it out.

I didn't say we should have 10% nonwhite population. I certainly don't believe we should grant them citizenship.

If we were in a cold war with China would you turn down a defector with critical information for the sake of purity?

You stupid fuckers are opening up our movement to subversion just like all the Trump cucks ruining this board.

That's not the point of the thread though, is it? If you say you can't have a 100% pure ethnostate, without specifying cases such as critical defectors and embassies, the natural conclusion is that you will accept 3, 5 or even 10% non-whites.

I think we could work with that if these non-whites were not given voting rights.
It prevents politicians from practicing tokenism and appealing to minorities like we have in the US.
The other thing I would like to see implemented are graduated tax breaks for having Children.
Make the tax breaks MUCH larger the more income a family has and disincentivize the poor to have many children.
While it's true that wealth and intelligence are not correlated, INCOME and Intelligence have a mild correlation.
By doing this, we encourage intelligent people to breed and unintelligent people to not breed as much.
Non-whites recieve no tax breaks for children. They will resent the state they live in, but their lives within the ethnostate will be preferrable to anywhere else.

Nice that you noticed the pivotal, and the fact how fucking utterly nightmarish the bureaucracy would have to be DEFINING HWUTNESS

Its the only path to take. No one is going to fall for the idea that white ethno nationalist are cool with allowing non-white groups whom they consider to be violent animals that have limited agency into their ethno state. Its totally fake, if people like Alt Hype start going down this route, the movement is dead in the waters.

This. I disagree with Faulk but I really don't give a shit, it's one single issue and it's not a dictum, it's a fucking tweet. The only thing you faggots should ever care about is honor and integrity. Period. Someone like Molyneux is sketchy. Faulk is not. (And Styx is not, even though he's not one of our guys, he has integrity so he can be useful at times on certain issues)

kys Patrick, you're a dumb piece of shit with 0 charisma.

The movement is not dead, we just leave them behind.

>That is exactly civic Nationalism and given his beliefs on the heritability of political beliefs, he should fucking know better.

He does know better, its clearly a facade to protect his youtube channel/twitter. White nationalists are starting to get scared about being positively associated with ethnic cleansing so they're pretending to cuck out. Only idiots like you are falling for the act. Ryan made himself clear on Andy Warski, he wouldn't live around niggers even if they integrated into white culture.

>provoke a very violent response from the rest of the world right?
lel, Then we can play imperium. Who gives a shit what the shitskins want?

But there's no need to allow any non-whites (outside of the mentioned special cases) into the ethnostate in the first place. It's never worked, from India and Iran, to the US and SA. Get them out fast, and move on (if there will be any on the territory we end up settling). Regarding childbirth, legislation will ultimately depend on our population needs and availability of resources. There might come a time when population growth is undesirable.

>Faulk is not
Yes, he actually is sketchy, in many ways. He's also judeophile.