Communism: a stateless and classless society where the means of production is publically owned

>communism: a stateless and classless society where the means of production is publically owned
this has litteraly never existed before in history, how can you have a system that has never been tried before?

hate*

Nobody wants it, faggot, nobody wanted it then, and nobody wants it now except some edgy transsexual college kids trying to piss of mum and dad .
You are too young to remember the bronze statuary of your bearded communist idols being dragged down, spat upon, smashed, and melted down for coin by the people who they claimed to represent, but who they repressed like tyrants.
Suck it down.

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the soviet union had a state, therefore it was not communist. try again

Anarchist Catalonia or Makhnovist Ukraine?

>if I just redefine Communism everytime it fails it'll work at some point!

You talk a lot of shit for a tranny
I'll knock your cunt right in, soyboy...
And when I'm done, I'll say: "That wasn't a REAL kicking - looks like I'll need to have another go at this".

out of arguments so quickly britcoon?

>communism: a stateless and classless society where the means of production is publically owned
define bublic. since everyone is equal in a comie's mind, one man owning everything is still owned by the public. oh and yes. that bike you use to get to work everyday is now mine.

You're so ignorant of history.

What would you consider is your share of what someone else has worked for

shit that bike has a flat tire. i will need your shoes now. better yet. the state appointed apartment you are occupying is actually closer to the turnip farm. guess you are moving.

>redefine
It's not redefining if it was the original definition.

>B-but - that wasn't REAL Gommunism...
>out of arguments
A man (?) peddling the old "that wasn't REAL communism" meme shouldn't criticize me when I realize that violence is the only option for dealing with brainwashed cultists, and we should dispense with dialog altogether.

hey i am realy sorry but i found this letter in your mail box. you have been summoned by the party for questioning. something about giving your daughter (who is suffering from tuberculosis) medication that has not been approved by the state...i mean the public

>how can you have a system that has never been tried before?
you accidentally btfod your own thread in the fucking OP. lmao

i like the cut of your jib m8

Ok commu-fag, how about this: agree that anarchy and communism are two different things since anarchism adheres to the NAP in order to facilitate a community with no rulers, but still has rules. Then agree that Voluntaryism and anarchism have more in common than communism and anarchism since voluntaryists can mutually benefit a community and others while anarchists believe they're entitled and can only exist in a commencalist, yet peaceful manner through charities and cuck mutualists giving gibs. If accept this, then in a voluntaryist's eyes, you are seen as anarchists and therefore brothers. If you can't accept peace and revert to a coercive state mentality, you are truly communists and cannot be welcome among us

miss click i assume. i never spoke about anarchism (i could if you want but that would make a rather boring discussion, as i actually agree on most of their points)

You said earlier
>the soviet union had a state, therefore it was not communist. try again
I feel you were conflating and imblying something, but I could not tell what. The USSR was socialist. Communism doesn't have a singular group allocating all walks of life below their elitist group, but requires some inherent arbiters against their will to provide for the "workers" majority aka slavery and therefore a despot state. Anarchism feels entitled to live through a Marxist society, but requires and respects full consent of individuals willing to give for nothing return aka commencalism. Voluntaryists can be both mutualists and commencalists, while mutualists can be only mutualist enclaves and every other self righteous collectivist group will be only inherently commencalist. This is JUST in a voluntaryist world

>muh impossible to achieve imaginary vission of communism has never existed
No shit dumbass

Because its a retarded utopian fantasy

ahem. you asumed that, the other dutch guys was me. look at my id not the fag. honest mistake, but please be careful next time
were my posts
is not

As an unironic communist even I think you're a fucking retard OP.

I hope someday I get the chance to break the jaw of a pathetic, estrogen filled commie

>USSR makes a serious attempt at creating the first Socialist state to advance the revolution. Ends up going from a semifeudal backwater to the worlds second superpower in about 50 years.
>Let me as a privileged Westerner tell you what real communism is

GTFO OP you absolute faggot

Yeah, you can gtfo you absolute faggot

it's these kinds of mistakes that leads to NAP violations

just wanted to add that for giggles

OK if marx was a genius why did the communist revolutions he predicted never happen?

You're right. Here's your deserved (you)

They did happen, but communist societies have not been achieved.

no (you)

will it really be ours tho in OP's utopia?

>this has litteraly never existed before in history
It did tho. Classless, stateless commie societies occured only 2 times in histroy. Both shorth-lived hellholes crushed by a much stronger outer force.
First one is anarchist Ukraine under Makhno. Destroyed by the bolsheviks.
The second(and last) one was Revolutionary Catalonia. Existed during the Spanish civil war. Basically bunch of bandits and criminals terrorizing clerics, peasants and "bourgies"(read: peasants with land). Crushed by the forces of general Franco.

>100,000,000+ dead from all those not-real-communism attempts
If that wasn't real communism, I'd hate to see what is.

Communism can only work on a very small scale. Like a family household or a commune. Bigger than that disencentivises hard wotk.

You are actually retarded if you believe that communism "has never been tried"

>communism: a stateless
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It still wouldn't be a "true" communism as commies like to call it.
After all a family has a patriarch figure, the head of the family, the father. So if there's hierarchy, so not everyone is equal. And if there's no equality, there's no basis for marxist socialism.
And a commune will soon fall due to corruption, social and moral decay(dividing the society into a oppressed-oppressor) and the greed of the "revolution leaders".

Every attempt to realize your utopia regulary end ma up creating a totalitarian state. Don't try again. We will stop You.

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We cannot use Russia's methods, as they only and at best prove that the economy of an agrarian nation can be leveled to the ground; Russia's thoughts are not our thoughts. They are, as it is in the spirit of the Russian city intelligentsia, unphilosophical, and highly dialectic; they are passionate logic based on unverified suppositions. They assume that a single good, the destruction of the capitalist class, weighs more than all other goods, and that poverty, dictatorship, terror and the fall of civilization must be accepted to secure this one good. Ten million people must die to free ten million people from the bourgeoisie is regarded as a harsh but necessary consequence. The Russian idea is compulsory happiness, in the same sense and with the same logic as the compulsory introduction of Christianity and the Inquisition.

Walther Rathenau on communist Russia.

Lol XD jkrowling. You don't get it, do you eurofag?
None of it will ever be yours. It will always belong to the (((people)))

How the fuck would communism even be stateless?
The hallmark of all communistic systems is an overwhelming, overbearing state (not to say that commies are the only ones who have such a type of state).
Besides, even if you got to control the world, the state would still be there - only it would be a single one, and not a plurality of states.
Only anarchists oppose the state, and that is a meme tier ideology anyway.

the state is the organizer off class struggle. eventualy there would be a point where the state dissolves as it has no purpose anymore

all the humans on earth have not turned the color green or grow tails or pee out their poo poos either. these are all made up fairytales