Re:Zero

Has any MC ever ruined an anime to the point of you not wanting to watch the show anymore but feeling guilty for giving it up halfway through? I'm at episode 14 of Re:Zero and for this whole first half of the series Subaru honestly seems like a whiny cuck. He reminds me of Kazuma from konosuba but instead of this being a satirical comedic series, they label this show a drama. As such, I'd expect some sort of character development in regards to his strength besides learning a shitty spell that only further proves his worthlessness. He's constantly relying on the women around him for everything and he's not apologetic about it; in fact, he has not stopped bitching and white-knighting since the first episode. I was honestly enjoying the series up until the most recent episode I watched where he gets his shit kicked in by some stereotypical knight cuck on the grounds of dishonoring his famiry.


Does it get better? Do i just say fuck it? If he doesn't start growing some balls and get some absurd super power that transforms the whole pace of the series, I see no reason to continue watching it.

>guilty
What?

Kill yourself, no seriously kill yourself.
>Muh I can not self insert into mc
>Muh mc is not perfect
Little kids like you need to leave

...

A protagonist can be flawed without being a worthless piece of shit

it gets better

he ends the anime at okay/good but become 10/10 for a MC where his emotions and suffering becomes one the best parts.

Get to ep 18 and 19, even then if you hate the show
Drop it

>become 10/10 for a MC
No.
Subaru gets better, but only so that you dont want him to die every moment he is on screen

If you think he is worthless piece of shit from the anime then you haven't read the first 2 arcs in the japanese WN. He really was a gigantic piece of shit, lowest of the low scummy autist that they had to rewrite to be a more likeable.

The royal selection meeting is the peak of suubs cringefest

He starts actual character development form that point on as the cringeometer settles down. He gets much better by the end of the Anime and MUCH better by the end of Arc 4. Also the anime is somewhat toned down and he is an even bigger turbosperg in the Web novel Arc3

10/10 for a MC was a little to much of a stretch but I really enjoyed his suffering and emotional reactions. What the anime really misses out on his is inner monologue which really characterizes him.

No, it's why I dropped the Light Novel series midway through the second volume.

He's a pathetic faggot, so yeah, it's no shame to drop it. It's a pity we miss out on good girls, but if they're the sort of people who have to like Subaru, it's fine to cut dead weight.

2D has no shortage of perfect girls; there's no need to torture yourself over a loser's antics to see them.

>he needs a mary sue MC to self insert as surrounded by waifubait to enjoy a story

Yea,he gets considerably better
And his emotional suffering does add to the weight show has at the ending
Also
>out on his is inner monologue which really characterizes
Yea, after the anime i am reading the novel, and the inner monologue adds alot of depth to him and his relations to other characters

desu senpai you should have at least waited until vol 3 to drop, in vol 3 his successful loop in the witchbeasts makes him alot more likeable.

did you watch the anime first?

this series would be so much better with Wilhelm as a MC trying to fuck cute girls

Just because the character isn't all powerful doesn't mean that it is a bad character

for me it's less about self-inserting and moreso about how the character with the most screen time should at least have some redeeming factors that help further the plot or make it more interesting to watch than what seems like one big story of subaru being a fuckup and needing everyone around him (including the main love interest) to do the heavy lifting for him

Wilhelm x crusch x Felix
...YES

>all powerful self-insert harem shit
kys

you faggots talk like subaru is a well written character
surprise: he is not well written, so he has to rely on charisma in order to be acceptable, but he is just an autistic faggot

He does become likeable and has many redeemable traits but to develop from friendless NEET to anime MC Alpha Male takes a long time. But the journey is worth it.

>least have some redeeming factors that help further the plot
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Stop bitiching about badly developed characters while you are half way into a show
at least watch till ep 20 then you can whine

No one is saying subaru is well written
He is a fucking autistic sperg
But he isnt a bad MC, he gets alot better as he is mentally broken and when he rebuilds himself with rems help

>surprise: he is not well written,

He is a well written sperglord

>so he has to rely on charisma in order to be acceptable

>Subaru
>Charisma

>but he is just an autistic faggot

Pretty much the point of the whole story you know.

>the autist comes off as an autist

It's like that's what the author was trying to convey the whole time.

shinji, i have never finished eva

but he is written to be a cringy autistic sperg who gets dropped into a fantasy world to overcome obstacles with his suffering. Who is steeled by hardships and grows a person.

>He reminds me of Kazuma from konosuba
Oh fuck you. Kazuma is can actually be quite smart, conscientious, charming, and shows growth both in terms of his character and power level.
So again, fuck you.

But Subaru does all those things in th-
>konofag
nevermind I'll save the braincells

>the point of X is being bad so you cannot criticize it
have you read your own post? you made me laugh

Kazuma is meant to be a lovable jerk. Subaru isn't. The series are different genres anyway.

Stopped at episode 16 for the same reasons, will most likely go back and watch it as i have the BD downloaded, but i can definitely see Subaru as a love him or hate him MC.

Yea..and he does over come them, after breaking his skull on a wall and being matured after it
WATCH THE BLOODY SHOW BEFORE YOU WHINE

You are not getting it, he is suppose to be un-likeable and cringy. Which allows for a longer character arc from asperger NEET loser ---> to a likeable loser ---> likeable non-loser Hero

/lol/

OP your first mistake was putting Re:Zero in the subject field since that's a signal for all the brain dead autists who frequent that general to flock here.

Subaru is a garbage character. There's pretty much no reason to watch this show now that it has faded into popularity outside of 40 or so dedicated losers who worship summaries from reddit of a translated light novel (no I'm not joking they actually do this, they don't read the actual LN, they read SUMMARIES)

>popularity
Obscurity*

Subaru is terribly annoying not only because he's a fucking idiot and acts like a social retard, but also because he learns so slowly. He is gifted the "power" of trial and error, the perfect way to learn from his mistakes, but he still manages to fuck up over and over. Thanks god he gets some character developpement later on, but you don't have to make people watch 15 episodes of cringe to make them realize he's a dullard, we get it.

lol

But he's matured by the pain, not just physical pain. The emotional distress of his situation and frustration of having to rebuild relationships over and over again. The pain of having no-one to tell about his true suffering. Remember that time where he watched everyone he knows in that world get brutally murdered multiple time?

>being bad so you cannot criticize it
Nobody said that but you are criticizing it for it;s intended purpose.

>"the MC is not chad thundercock mc normalfag what a shitty anime"

The story is about an autistic hikki being dragged into another world and suffering to become a better person

You can criticize the story all you like but specifically complaining about the MCs character when the story revolves around him being a shitty character and then his character development makes you look like an imbecile.

>everyone he knows in that world get brutally murdered multiple time
Literally every loop
And yea, why are you linking me, i am saying the same thing

>(no I'm not joking they actually do this, they don't read the actual LN, they read SUMMARIES)
He is called summarryanon because he summarized the first 20 or so chapters in 80,000 words which was basically a 90% translation 10% summarization.
The next 110 chapters have been full translations.

>LN
Web Novel.
>40 anons
No.
>obscurity
the anime aired a long ass time ago

Your post downplays the suffering tbqh

No, because Subaru is quite literally the worst MC I have ever seen of any show.

He's not pathetic like Shinji, who at least does things that people tell him and just lacks confidence. Rather, he's stupider than a goddamn brick and actively does the opposite of what the entire cast is telling him NOT to do. He has the confidence and he's quite capable, he's just fucking stupid and is written to be stupid in order to move the plot forward and to create fake drama.

Rezero is such a goddamn shame, because I like the "return by death" idea a lot and now it can't be used without people going "hurrr rezero ripoff XD"

>return by death
Its a groundhog day rip off

Yes, Kennosuke ruined Kuromukuro for me

I feel it's the opposite. He makes the show.

Without him being such a loser, it would have just been another Shousetsuka ni Narou isekai LN where some NEET gets plopped into fantasy-land with the cheat console on and gets himself an effortless harem of demihuman girls.

Didnt want to completely spoil the anime for him
He clearly hasnt seen anything past ep 18

Higurashi ripoff
Groundhog day ripoff

>Cant use a plot device without being a rip off of something older that used the a similar plot device
Being this mentally challenged

> autistic hikki being dragged into another world and suffering to become a better person

Of course because a Hikki NEET would act so confident and outspoken when they're dropped into a new world.

At least Slave Harem in the Labyrinth of the Other World got the Hikki autistic character right even including the obvious twisted mentality of
the obvious rape.

Hes not autistic nor acts like a real ex-hikki at all and he has no real development. The only reason you defend his character is because you self-insert and are taking MC's criticism personally.

Woops
Sorry wrong person
Ment this sperg lord

>he is not well written, so he has to rely on charisma in order to be acceptable, but he is just an autistic faggot
It's like... it's impossible to argue with you because you don't even comprehend your own argument. What the fuck does a character "relying on charisma" and being massive sperg have to do with how well written it is? It's like you switched to complaining about something else entirely mid-sentence.

>Of course because a Hikki NEET would act so confident and outspoken when they're dropped into a new world.
There are different kinds of socially repulsive autism. Subaru is that guy who won't shut up about things no one else understands or cares about, can't read social cues, and seemingly doesn't care about how much of an ass he is until someone slaps him with some consequences.

It took some rather serious social blunders, involving crossdressing, for him to go full NEET. His autism is a lot worse in the WN.

I just skipped the parts where Subaru gave me secondhand embarrassment.

>I still can't watch Ep13

Anime-only secondary here.

Is that Subaru in drag or another character?

That's Subaru in drag. That's also how he became a social pariah in high school. After his obnoxious attitude destroyed all of his old friendships, he decided the best way to make his debut at a new school was to show up in drag.

So now you understand how Subaru can be both "socially confident" and a recluse. Subaru doesn't know when to stop.

I stopped watching it because I don't like suffering porn and Toyota is an unlikeable retard.

I loved this part because it's the antithesis of the Mary Sue bullshit other MCs get up to.

If any other plucky MC mouthed off to nobility, they'd get away with it. If they fought somebody out of their league, they'd either win anyway or make everyone say "whoah nice fight I bet he'll be the champ someday". If they got beat up, it'd be because the other guy is a big nasty evil unlikeable cheating asshole. Most of all, all the good guys would sympathize. Anything can be forgiven as long as it's to protect your waifu from racists, right?

Instead Subaru eats shit. It's great.

>Does it get better?
Yeah there's some character development and he stops being a faggot, but it's pretty close to the end of the show sadly.

>The only reason you defend his character is because you self-insert and are taking MC's criticism personally.

I am not defending his character I am saying that complaining about his character when his character is the whole point of the story makes you look inept

And I think the person crying that they are incapable of watching something due to not wanting to self insert as the MC is more guilty of insert syndrome than I am for having an objective outlook on the story.

>doesn't know when to stop
Praise the memelord!

Isn't the entire point of that segment to show just how bad of a person Subaru really is? If you got that bothered by it, i think it did it's job.

Keep watching, he grows up. The knight did it in order to save him from the other knights. He knew they'd hold a grudge, and if it was up to them, they'd wait until Subaru was outside of the castle and dragged him into some alley to gut him for "muh dishonor". It gets hinted at later, but the anime makes a poor attempt at explaining it.

> but the anime makes a poor attempt at explaining it.

That pretty much sums up the anime as a whole.

>Has any MC ever ruined an anime to the point of you not wanting to watch the show anymore but feeling guilty for giving it up halfway through?
Hibiki in Symphogear GX.

Dropped this show while it was airing, then my friends told me to give it anther chance and I really disliked it. I don't know how the hell people can say the anime has good characters or characterization, as if their place in the plot makes up for weak writing.

>the anime makes a poor attempt at explaining it.
Really? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory from the beginning when everybody wanted to cave his head in except Julius who acted kinda like a disappointed parent. But then, I already saw this happen in Holyland so I'd played knifey spoony before

I'm with , blame the LN for trying to make him relatable when the story relied on him being a cunt.
Tappei's direction with the villains was "when you see them, you shouldn't even remember they're evil until you finish getting how scummy they are out of your system," and he described the villains as more likeable than Subaru.

I dropped sagrada reset when mc starting slashing himself

You are in the middle of his character development. If you cringed into a little ball at his shenanigans with the knights, then the writers got the exact reaction they wanted out of you. I don't know why this was so hard for Sup Forums to answer.

>Does it get better? Do i just say fuck it? If he doesn't start growing some balls and get some absurd super power that transforms the whole pace of the series, I see no reason to continue watching it.

Dude he's a fucking NEET in a fantasy world, what do you expect?

Re:zero had one of the worst character dev in ages, so bad that people were thinking that the flaws were innovation or something.
I'm not picky at all, but i can say objectively that Subaru (and this anime in general) is just a waste.

He wasn't a complete cunt. He had more or less the same positive traits, just his negative traits went a lot deeper. Somewhere along the line in this series, you come to realize everyone at the mansion is fucking crazy or retarded.

As a crazy retard, it's one of the few places Subaru can feel at home.

Quitting Re:Zero before episode 18 and not realizing Rem is best girl in all of anime. Do yourself a favor wait it out for best girl speech. Her speech is so good it almost makes the mc tolerable.

Is her speech all that great? I mean, it's exactly what Subaru needs to hear because of his mental state, but other than that?

Get to 18.

I just got around to finishing it last week, OP. I had the same problem.

Subaru is just some poor NEET who can't express his thoughts into words and just ends up making everything worse for himself. Before things get better its going to get a lot worse, but at the end of the tunnel is one of the entire series most beautiful moments.

Subaru definitely isn't one of the brightest MC's in the genre though.

People are praising a show by its waifu material nowaday, especially the japanese crowd.
Re:zero is an overused isekai anime, pseudo intellectual with one of the biggest armor plot ever.
But muh rem muh videogames.

Yeah but her speech causes all the time travel stuff to fall in order and gets Subaru to stop being a complete idiot and actually start using his damn superpowers the right way for the first fucking time. That and it could have just been the final episode if he spoiler spoiler spoiler...

Emilia is still my fav girl from this. Just always preferred her looks and personalty, i think its just the strong female leader archetype that appeals to me. Rem is cute but is just a submissive maid who even after being rejected still remains submissive to Subaru.

there is an active difference between a believable character with normal human flaws, and a robot designed to produce whine based spam. i mean i put up with shinji for the """"""art"""""", but like, re:zero doesn't give me something profound or deep, or even new, in exchange for the characters traits i have to put up with.

>That image

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume Subaru would have gone full hollow in a Souls game

I dunno, I thought it was a beautiful speech. While plot-wise it just kicked Subaru into gear, it showed how he was still valuable to someone although he had nothing to give.

I've only seen MADS of this show involving betelgeuse. Is it worth it to watch just for him? He seems glorious.

It somehow become even worst.

his brain tickles tho

Well, it was beautiful, though Rem never stopped believing he had something to give. After reading the WN, I'm 90% sure she thinks he's psychic or something.

I've read about a third of the thread and just wanted to say that Subaru is a consistent written character. I think that makes him good. He doesn't jump all over the place between a bunch of emotions. It all seems like he's the same dude through and through with development. It's hinted that he may be Pride, and his character reflects that well IMO.
Secondly, goddamn he has interesting traits that further the plot, such as his fucking RBD ability. He's not a self insert but rather someone you're supposed to fucking watch.

It got lost in the adaption, but she fessed up to loads of stalker activities as part of the speech.

>Not perfect
That does not even begin to describe the level of pathetic worthlessness that Subaru embodies. I don't even mind him being weak, but he's so unbelievably whiny that it's awful. Then for some contrived reason, the bitch that literally brutalized and murdered him for smelling funny decides she wants to be his waifu. Despite rejecting her like any sane man with not-shit taste, he still fucks off back to worst girl, whining the whole way. Fuck this cuck, and fuck this show, I'm actually mad I finished the whole thing.

>wanted to say that Subaru is a consistent written character.
In the WN, sure. In the LN/anime, he's waaaaaaaay~ off-key at the start of Arc 3.
>It's hinted that he may be Pride,
Disregarding that Aldebaran is pride, there's been more foreshadowing for RbD being the Authority of Envy than for any other sin.

>Then for some contrived reason, the bitch that literally brutalized and murdered him for smelling funny decides she wants to be his waifu
You realise when he resets by death all of that stuff ceases to have ever happened, right?

This fucking bitch went from actually torturing the MC, to wanting to suck his dick. I don't give a fuck about "muh tragic backstory" and her fucking inferiority complex, the only reason people like her is because she's a cute anime grill and wants to fuck the MC now.

Don't listen to these fags. 18 is pure shit and I dropped the show after this episode because it was THAT bad despite putting up with most of the show's flaws until that moment.

That said, I'm one of those who loved episode 13 because of the nuclear bomb it was in the threads and simply because Subaru fucking deserved it.

15 is great too.

Obviously, but the audience has still seen that, and it's fucking jarring. She literally waited for him to leave the house on his own and then tortured and killed him because he smelled like the witch. Fucking best girl 10/10.

What was he like?

>for smelling funny
He literally smells like genocide. Everyone she's met who has had that smell has been some kind of twisted madman.
>In the WN, sure.
To a degree, yeah. In the sense you completely understand he's a jackass with little sense. Which means it's the times he acts cool which stand out.

He was like the start of Arc 3, but all throughout Arcs 1 and 2.