What would happen is asuka had awaken up that scene?

What would happen is asuka had awaken up that scene?

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She'd look like she does at the end and say "disgusting."

baka shinji

>not the gif

She wouldn't even notice the baby batter. She'd be clawing at him in a blood frenzy anyway, though, thanks to the physical and mental torture she suffered at the hands of the enemy Evangelions and the lingering, unsolved resentment she has toward him for consistently outperforming him.

>and people say Shinji is gay

Before or after he cums?

outperforming her in combat*

Damn, I fucked up toward the end.

She'd question who spilled mayo on her right hand.

>Mayo

I don't know how to tell you this but, [spoilee]it's a milkshake

Tsun = "kimochi warui"
Dere = she actually got off on it because Asuka is fucked up like that

>Asuka
>Tsundere

She is literally begging for Kaji's dick

At this point of the series, where she just got almost killed my shinji, attempted suicide, to wake up to him using her body as a object, the thing she hates the most?

She would probably say nothing, just descending into depression and apathy. If her self hate was enough, she might ask shinji to rape her, or for him to finish the job and strangle her dead this time.

who gets his own hand that messy? i have fapped since i was 13 and never got my hand that dirty, he seriously needs to improve his fapping technique

The bigger question I don't understand is why isn't there immense security around the children 24/7.

Especially during this scene.

>implying Asuka didn't know Shinji fapped to her

Someone probably was watching over the camera. Later we get to see Misato checking on asuka

>got almost killed my shinji

You're pretty much right though

She knows, but the situation on the end of the movie is different from the start. Her first reaction probably would be the same though.

>>got almost killed my shinji
I assume the first choking scene, the one with the coffee spilling, is a flashback, not a instrumentality induced illusion.
Happened after shinji telling her Kaji died and was the very last straw for her. She then ran away from home and attempted suicide.

Oh, i re-read, "my" instead of "by" was me being retarded. Ops

It's clearly not a flashback

Asuka is in the hospital because Nerv employees found her in a bath waiting to die. That was her suicide attempt. That Instramentality thing is very unclear

Since it's technically before 3rd Impact I see it as Shinji's imagining of Asuka and how people don't like him

And then when Asuka is telling at him while it seems like they're having sex could probably be the real thing, but it's clearly not a flashback

> What would happen is asuka had awaken up that scene?
Basically what happened in the movie since she was aware of what he did, she just didn't give a fuck. She was catatonic, not in a coma.

They're already in a secure facility in a specialty hospital set for them, I don't think they felt anything beyond basic medical observation and the preinstalled surveilance was necessary. They can put a camera on her whenever they feel it necessary.

I dont think the wording "clearly" is justified in this case. It isnt "crazy" like the 3 girls talking to him in the train about his sexuality, it looks much more grounded in reality than his others illusions. It is just the 2 of them and it fits (clothing and coffee spilling) in the scene from chapter 24 where they talk about kaji.

My particular view of situation is:
>Shinji tells asuka about kaji death
>Asuka breaks down
>Something happens. Maybe Shinji tries to confort her.
>She knows shinji only doing that not for her, but for himself not feel alone and she is his last "friend".
>She calls him out on that
>He has a meltdown and chokes her
>Snaps back at the last moment
>She runs away in despair
>Week later she is found attempting suicide.
I dont think it is that hard to consider it at least a possibility.

Also you talked about their "sex scene". While i particularly dont believe on it, i once read a theory that fits mine, from someone who believe they had sex before all that:
>Asuka uses her last option to make anyone show some "feeling" for her and gets shinji to fuck pretty much the same way she kissed him.
>He doesnt really react or show affection, just like the kiss scene.
>We get the exchange we see in the movie
>She breaks down and start ranting about kaji.
>Cue shinji telling her kaji is dead.
Let me say again i dont particularly this last part, but just throwing it there. I dont think Eva, especially EoE, has hard truths for you to believe, just theories you like the most.

I don't feel like there's sufficient evidence to come to a conclusion

She was being sarcastic in this scene you autist
She called him disgusting for doing that

I'm inclined to believe the kitchen scene is an actual flashback. Shinji saw Misato crying, didn't know what to do 'I'm still a child' and all that, the morning after he sees Asuka and tells her the situation hoping to get help from her but being dumb enough to not realize that those news are also a gut punch for her since she really had a thing for kaji. so now he has two women he needs to console and like a child he's asking for help from one of them instead.

she flat out says she knows about his jerking of to her.
She might be disgusted but was in a mental place she didn't care anyway.

She said it was disgusting, so I'm pretty sure she did care.

not enough to do anything about it. Watch Love & Pop, for a very different reason but the girl there also was disgusted but let it happen anyway.

Third impact inside her vagoo

Which line?

I did watch Love & Pop. I also read the book.
The girl was so overcome with shock that she didn't even realize or process what was happening until the end of it.
Completely different situation.

>I know all about your little jerk-off fantasies about me. Go ahead, and do it like you always do... I'll even stand here and watch.

Also worth noting, this was after instrumentality really started. Some people diverge about how "connected" people are inside the instrumentality, but i find completely possible for someone with a strong relationship with shinji (be it love or hate) to see parts of his memories, masturbation scene included.

eva-armageddon.com/Scripts/EOE2.html

I'm not seeing it in here, is that a dubism or something

>Asuka: Idiot. I know. I know what you've done to me. Do it yourself, I'll just watch from here. You... If you can't be mine, then I don't need you!

Dont really know the original jap scene if she says any term that REALLY implies in masturbation, or just this ambiguous "i know what you did message", although there arent many things that fit in this context.

That translation has it as
>Idiot. I know. I know what you've done to me. Do it yourself, I'll just watch from here. You... If you can't be mine, then I don't need you!

It's possible she learned about it from instrumentality, but the fact is she knows.
I've read she uses a term that means 'sidedish' which has the inuendo of being 'masturbation material'.

The Jap never implies it in that line, but later she says: I know you only see me as a side dish.
Side dish in Japanese being just something you masturbate to, like a pornstar. Not something you care about. It's a really insulting term.

Not sure why the dub added stuff that wasn't in the original.

Huh that does change my opinion on this scene a lot

I guess some culture-isms won't always carry over

There's also this quote
>'Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?'
Regardles of when and how she learned it Asuka knows what Shinji did.

>I created a silly thread
>Its been the best Eva thread in months so far
Thanks everyone

The dub and sub Manga entertainment did of EoE is filled with mistranslations, added bullshit and contradictions.
Never use it as a credible source.

Shinji is best girl

one of my favorite Eva threads ever was started with Asuka going "Chance"

Halfway through the thread someone asked what if OP just wanted shitty Engrish.

Besides what she says, there is what we are shown. When she says that we get to see the masturbation scene filtered again, so there is really no doubt about what it was referring.

I remember the scene where a bunch of asuka "doppelgangers" are saying "chance" in the mind rape scene, but when does she says it the first time? I cant remember.

No doubt it refers to the masturbation, no one is arguing against that, but the tone and implication of her words is a lot different when comparing the two translations.

dub/localizations adding and mistranslating shit is a big pet peeve of mine, sorry for being autistic about it.

Yeah, there's not much of an argument to be made otherwise.

In her intro episode, when she sees her chance to piltot and show off.

>Manga

Don't even get me fucking started on that

So to be clear, what do you think are the very different implications of the two translations because for me I see them as just the same thing worded differently.

Not him but:
>Fantasies =/= What you did
It seens like shinji already had this kind of though, instead of being very spontaneous occurrence when he seen her breast.
>Like you always do
Feels wrong, and actually dont make much sense, unless shinji used to jerk off to asuka before that scene.

In Instrumentality, since everyone's being was formed into one along with their consciouses, does that mean Asuka saw all of Shinji's troubles and remembered them after being revived? That whole bit is just confusing to me

So where did Shinji wipe his hand anyway?

He probably cupped his hand in front of his dick to not get any on Asuka

on her panties.

Thats debatable, it is at least a possibility. I think yes, at least some parts of it. Not what she was referencing by "how disgusting" though. Both she and shinji have seen some fucked up shit and need to sit down and process everything down.

You have a point, the 'jerk off fantasies about me' translation makes it seem like it's been an ongoing occurrence (the masturbation not the assault) while the 'what you've done to me' it's more specific about what he did in the hospital. but at the same time it's not like she doesn't know he's a teenage guy, she knows he tried to kiss her in her sleep. So I think it's a bit of both, she generally knows he probably jerks off to her, but that line it's more about what he did that day.

I think they do. It's part of the theme of the ending, they're back to being closed off individuals but they've have had insight into who each other are, so maybe, just maybe that would lead them into a better path though it's no guarantee.

Is it that bad? I never read it, and from what Sup Forums talks about, never will. Sakamoto's art seens good though.

Didn't she say on the train that she wanted him to masturbate in front of her again? She even thrust her hips into his face.

>She even thrust her hips into his face.
those are her boobs.

look where the dress of her uniform is, she crossed her legs against him

Reminder that Shinji is canonically heterosexual. He only ever had sexual fantasies about women.

>Asuka
>female

nice memes

It's been a while since I've watched it but I thought she was at least partially conscious while it happened, was she in a medically induced coma or something?

>was she in a medically induced coma or something?
Very probably, or at least sedated
She dont react at all to shinji shaking her and calling her name

Given how emotionally fucked up she was by that point, she probably would have just lain there in silence.

I fucking love the kitchen scene. Over its length, it covers pretty much every single mental problem shinji and asuka have

Nigga I Hardcore hate Karl and I think he was a manipulative bad guy, but Shinji would go down on anyone that's nice to him even if he prefers women.

>Shinji would go down on anyone that's nice to him even if he prefers women.
Agreed

>Nigga I Hardcore hate Karl and I think he was a manipulative bad guy
Disagreed. I think kaworu is neutral towards good, a little crazy and unintuitive, but not a bad guy. He just has a weird understanding of humanity, even though he admires it.

Karl is Manga Kaworu, who is basically a huge autist.

Anime Kaworu has good intentions, but he's incredibly naive and kinda a suicidal psychopath.

I don't know why people keep saying this.
Toji and Kensuke were nice to him and he never acted that way with them.
Also whenever the women made passes at him he always rejected them.
With Kaworu he acted like a horny schoolgirl as soon as he met him.

Makes no sense honestly, I guess Anno was just feeling like a homo fag when he made that ep.

See We might not see it properly portrait, but kaworu is supposed to be "perfect", all-understanding, all-loving.

I know, but Kaworu was kind of rude to Shinji the entire episode.
He told him to be aware of his position and riddled off his flaws like a shopping list.
And Shinji kept blushing all the way through it.

So I don't understand how people say he only acted that way because Kaworu was being nice to him. He wasn't at all.
Shinji was blushing at him since the moment he first laid eyes on him, he didn't even care if Kaworu was being a dick or betrayed him.

ayy I remember it, it was when Annoposter started his great ramble explaining everything, I started appreciating Eva much more after it

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Literally nothing would change, she wasn't talking at that point anyway and the next time they interact after that they're both Tang and she knows everything about it anyways.

Any link, or very specific wording you can remember that is easy to search on the archives? Also roughly when was it?

ANTA BAKA ?

she was clearly mocking him

Are you implying Asuka has brain power for sarcasm and banter? Kaworu once told her she's dumb as rocks. Asuka thinks with her hormones.

>Kaworu once told her she's dumb as rocks.

That isnt exactly canon, you know...

>T.N.: "Anta Baka" means "I love you"

Just imagine Anno trying to explain a scene where a young boy masturbates to a comatose young girl and showing his sperm on camera is a necessary scene to portrait in a movie.
And getting away with it.

I think it's hilarious how Asuka is always shittalking everyone else, but once it's thrown her way she runs away crying with her tail between her legs

Why didnt shinji just did the proper job and raped her? Its not like he knew any better about the instrumentality.

Even if it isn't, she lacks critical thinking for social situations. Since when has Asuka displayed sarcasm when that's more of Rei's forte?

What would he rape her with?

>lacking evidence
Yeah, sure, Kaworu, you totally aren't a homo, confessing to a guy, touching hands, sleeping together. All those are just bro bonding activities, amirite?

NGE might have had it's budgetary problems late in the production but by the end of it, it was a fucking phenomenon. They knew they had carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they wanted evidenced by the fact this was the fucking trailer:
youtube.com/watch?v=4HALL5-PZu4

Name one instance in the show where Rei was sarcastic.

Given how much of a betafag he had been up till that point, that would be rather out of character

So? They don't have to hate everyone.

Kaworu is straight.
Shinji was the only one acting homo in that episode.

>Rei
>sarcasm
>humor in any form
What
That shit still gives me nightmares