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What are pol's thoughts on polygamy?

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God approves and practices it himself.

The government outlawed it because they wanted to limit the power that fathers have when they begin having large amounts of children.

It is detrimental to society. It leads to the wealthiest men of society hoarding harems, If average men aren't allowed any shot at having pussy they'll tear down society. Without any progeny to tamper their wild instincts they'll indulge in their love of violence and uproot all the infrastructure that more fortunate men depend on.

ok for multi wives. not ok for multi husbands

>getting married in the 21st century
>getting married to multiple women let alone one

wew lad.

you shouldn't pimp women you love, and having 4 women in the same household and fucking all of them in only 1 or 2 steps below convincing them to sell their pussies while you keep all the money in terms of the pimp game required to sustain that long term

you have to be a fucking rock and cooler than cool, because instead of 1 woman sniffing out weak points in your armor, you have 4+

seems like too much work to cultivate that much respect among all of them while still keeping the peace and not being a brute about it

One more note - it's pretty much impossible to do in the West, particularly in mainstream society, for the same reasons it is impossible to guarantee a typical monogamous marriage. The entire marriage hangs on the whim of the woman's emotions, as is the case in all Western marriages.

I will say though that your mileage may vary in heavily religious or separatist communities in the country, although then you have the alphabet agencies breathing down your back.

Utans are uniformly weak willed.

Degenerate

If my japanes animes have taught me something, is that a harem is a good thing. A good guy can only be happy with at least 2 girls.

I've never seen people who argue against polygamy have any actual facts. They always create a argument based on some strawman they made up in their head rather than real history.

It has it applications. I can see rewarding the top ethno elite to gain extra breeding rights.

In this day and age, it wouldn't matter. Too many soyboys that would either cuck anyway or just aren't attractive enough to gain attention from females.

A man without a woman is generally useless to society, and may even be hostile. Polygamy creates instability and unrest, it is one of main reasons why moslem countries just cant stop getting fucked by western and jewish psy ops.

Polygamy is good when its necessary, life when first wife can't have children.
While being wealthy can get you a wife, being poor is not the main reason for most men.
>they'll tear down society
It already happened when the government middled in marriage in the first place.

No, you'd have welders, machinists, and electricians detached from society. Hell bent on drinking more than they usually do and harnessing their skills to the detriment of civilized people.

Agree, I'm willing to let preferred marriage mode be adaptive. In a stable society, I would favour monogamous marriage. In todays society, polygamy could bootstrap high quality birthrates.

>God approves and practices it himself.
fuck off mormon

kys sandnigger. polygamy is anti-white.

Imagine getting divorced by multiple wives. Enjoy never having money again.

I see todays society as already a polygamy. A defacto polygamic system wouldn't change their access to women. Instead I only see benefits in increasing birthrates if good men could legally acquire more access to women.

Mark 10:8 "And they two shall be one flesh: so then they are no more two, but one flesh"

Christ Disapproves

It's also the reason why Africa and the ME are dysgenic as fuck. The average polygamist father is much older, poisoning the wombs of his wives with heavily mutated sperm. Add in cousin marriage and you can see why the third world browns are beyond redemption. Polygamy is shit breeding program and would only be practices in secret by very rich men
Widespread acceptance will destroy entire gene pools

>In todays society
>critical shortage of marriageable women in all 1st world
>let's make it worse
And what is High quality birth rates? You will not be able to define such thing, so dont bother. If you want to see overall intelligence and health improved then eugenics is your choice, not chaotic breeding made even more chaotic.
Also
>Swedish flag
>Speaks for moslem way of life

it's a nice fantasy, but in practice it would disincentivize the vast majority of men to be productive and society would collapse

I'm not a mormon you stupid coward. Read Jeremiah 3, and in the NT see the parable of the wise and foolish virgins.

Then go eat shit.

>metaphore and allegory mean that God is ok with polygamy

are you mentally retarded?

I also don't see how useful men would be the ones without women. It would be the soyboys and cucks. Today you also have porn and consumerism which suppresses this. I also see that enforcing women to marry lesser quality of men, if they want to engage with the other sex, as detrimental both genetically and politically. Politically since lots of opposition to such a system from women and you will cause broken families since you force a couple together that is foundationally unstable (the woman don't respect the man) and that woman will probably look for cock on the side anyway in this situation.

Would Christ describe himself in sinful terms?

Faggot.

>>In todays society
>>critical shortage of marriageable women in all 1st world
>>let's make it worse
Your premise is insufficient. You need to analyse the game for women. They don't have any surefire way to gain good husband material if they really wanted to live this life. I see women generally being more prone to be selective about husbands. But the game presented to 20+ year olds is fucking around. They expect men who only wants sex and so they play the game accordingly trying to snatch an alpha while fucking around. If good men always had an extra spot for good women to join, it would change the metagame. I.e. women would now be guaranteed a good husband if they followed their instincts to become mothers.

High quality birthrate are that good moral living and high IQ men are rewarded a higher birthrate than other men. Is this bad?

>>Speaks for moslem way of life
Not quite. As the game changes, we need to adapt, that's all.

>I also see that enforcing women to marry lesser quality of men, if they want to engage with the other sex, as detrimental both genetically and politically
Women view any man who is not top 10% as lesser. Opinion of women should never taken into account, history teaches us that your society collapses and your enemies subjugate you some time after you start doing so.

If wealthy men were given free reign in their appetites like in Arabic countries, real men would rebel. Army rangers would terrorize and loot the latifundias geriatric fucks would own and no one would attend to their daily duties.

>thinking that women want "good men"
>thinking that women value IQ
How fucking clueless can you be?
On top of that
>As the game changes, we need to adapt, that's all
And this is why you got subverted by (((those))) who always want to bend environment to their will and not bend to it themselves in most convenient way like you propose.

Polygamy is a good idea, but of course, there need to be some rules to it or you'll end up with some millionaires having hundreds of women.
IMO, no man should allowed to have more women than he can care for personally and whenever he wants to marry another woman, the agreements of his other wives should be required. Similiar to muslim law, which in this case is actually better than western laws.

However, christcucks and feminists won't ever let polygamy become legal.

That's one lucky mormom. Every wife is hot.

>t. one who'll most likely be restricted to fucking goats because local alpha male and local rich jew divided all bitches among themselves and bitches are okay with it

Degenerate

You are building a strawman of the type of polygamy that I propose.

First of all, I see monogamy as ideal. We don't live in monogamous society anymore so we need to adapt. One way to bring back marriage, is to award good men with more wives. As marriage rates among women increases competition for women increases, and the way to compete for women would be to offer women marriage. If you can't win this game as a man, you are insufficient.
>Women view any man who is not top 10% as lesser. Opinion of women should never taken into account, history teaches us that your society collapses and your enemies subjugate you some time after you start doing so.
They work as fairly good proxies I would say. Individually, no, but in general it works. Women have a way more restrictive view on reproduction than men which only speaks in favour of this.

Say we eventually reach higher marriage rates, THEN I would be instituting policies in favour of monogamy over polygamy. I could see exponential tax rates for polygamic couples which wouldn't ban them, but it would still be feasible to be rich and have more wives.

>What are pol's thoughts on polygamy?
100% amazing.

>thinking that women want "good men"
>thinking that women value IQ
Ah we have a "nice guy" over here.

They actually do, since they view wealth as attractive and thus a functional high IQ is selected. Who fucking cares about high IQ autists lol? And of course women want stable partners.

I can't lie, I wish I could support and collect one or two more specific women of whom I both long and slightly lust for, but I can't imagine any of the three women in question would concede to that sort of thing. American women have pride.

>you have to be a fucking rock and cooler than cool, because instead of 1 woman sniffing out weak points in your armor, you have 4+

100% this, I think for most men, managing 1 woman is enough hassle, imagine multiple. Also imagine have them gang up on you whenever you fuck something up. Fuck that.

It's probably incredibly rewarding watching a large family grow successful but also incredibly tiring. I don't think 99% of men would be capable of managing it and keeping it together.

But betas have porn and video games now

Doesn't that alter the game significantly?

>polygamy causes shortages of women

This is why sex robots are being made.

Or you can do the historical route and allow the soldiers to keep what they take, including women for wives, from the wars they fight in and all that. But the West is cucked and thinks you should do all this shit for pennies.

Acceptable, especially in such harsh times as we live now. I prefer the one man one woman dynamic myself.

>good men
And who will decide what men are good and how to award them?
The State Almighty, right? Pretty much expected.
>They work as fairly good proxies
Women is to be treated as a resource, a property. Its mind is too limited and in fact barely sentient, it is mostly an animal driven by basic instincts, and to allow it to make any decisions is like letting ape with many grenades loose. Your country is in catastrophic state right now because you forgot that, and moslems successfully invading it despite being vastly biologically inferior because they remember that.

Literally dysgenic

Good post.

>good men
Men who wants to breed and take care of her children. I.e. fulfill the marriage. Men who wants to take responsibility and don't only view marriage as access to a fucktoy and view this fucktoy as their god given right.

>Women is to be treated as a resource, a property. Its mind is too limited and in fact barely sentient, it is mostly an animal driven by basic instincts, and to allow it to make any decisions is like letting ape with many grenades loose. Your country is in catastrophic state right now because you forgot that, and moslems successfully invading it despite being vastly biologically inferior because they remember that.
We will always be animals. The reason why I view women as good proxies is because men tend to become highly autistic about some set of traits. To me, that you allude to men not being animals too, is very dangerous. Because that means you will be convinced that your proposed set of traits of determining "good men" will have "rational basis" as opposed to "animalistic basis".

I dont understand how it works to be honest.

how do you avoid all the catty jealousness of women?
If you even talk to female co workers it causes alarm bells to ring in the head of your partner.

You make them spend time raising their kids. Which if they aren't doing, they will inevitably become catty and detrimental to any social group.

Can your assets stand getting split in half 5 ways?
No?
Hm.

Bad idea!

Lots of pissed off young dudes.

It's like non-linearity at its worst!

Fuck you Russian funded trolls!

You typically don't bring home your war-wife home to meat your honey stateside.

Look up the lost boys of Mormonism or the jihadis of Islam. That is what forgoing monogamy does, do you want a fifth column liable for a beta uprising, because that how you get it.

>Men who wants to breed and take care of her children. I.e. fulfill the marriage. Men who wants to take responsibility and don't only view marriage as access to a fucktoy and view this fucktoy as their god given right.
So most mature men? Even if you start issuing a single wife to every one who wants that, you'll run out of all half-decent females long before you finish, and you talking about multiple wives
In the end man wants woman as means of procreation. Can that be replaced artificially.
>and allow the soldiers to keep what they take
Enjoy your newly conquered empire of La Creaturas.

You make sure every one of them is fucked properly, all the time.
Lots of babies means no time to be a self destructive cunt.

I've had 3 women in my house for over 7 years.. The first wife for 18.

I trust them all, but there is a heiarchy that allows that trust. I'm 8 years older than the oldest one, 12 than the youngest. If anyone was detected looking for weakness in me or the others, they'd be out on their ear faster than a rattlesnake strike on a hot summer day.

There are challenges, they are MORE than offset by all if the benefits. Especially in child care and rearing. Nobody ever lost too much sleep over nighttime feedings, colic or a sick kid.. The kids have 4 adults who live their lives in brutal honesty to turn to, it's rare if one of us is not the right person to go to for a problem. The adults also have 3 different options, plus the power of combining different perspectives to any issue.

The sex is mind-blowing, and with a family business that was quickly established due to 4 professionals focused on it, we have plenty of time and energy for that and the demands of Parenthood.

We often do things together, we shift the combination, and we often do one on one between us all. It's never monotonous because it's not monogamous.

It's not always easy, but it is a lot of supporting each other, so you have the one thing that gets you over everything: Lots of support.

Both your average man and woman are too weak to make it work. Hell even the average, above-average man and woman would have great difficulty.

Having said all this i'll also state that i personally believe a solid 90% of the worlds current polygamous marriages are utter failures kept together by societal expectations or physical / emotional abuse.

People simply aren't emotionally mature enough to handle it. Both sides.

Don't do this with typical women.
You need women who support, not tear things down when they go sideways.
These type of women tend to prefer polygamy, as they are interested in building effectively.

Rich wankers already have all the resources, you want them to have all the pussy too?

What makes you think they don't already?
You think the rich a powerful give two shits for the laws they write for mere sheep?

Thanks for answering that question. My answer is the same.

What do you mean by "Empire of La Creaturas?"

Hablo espanol, pero me no understando what you're getting at here.

When it will create violators of said laws?
blog.dilbert.com/2015/11/17/global-gender-war/

>Now compare our matriarchy (that we pretend is a patriarchy) with the situation in DAESH-held territory. That’s what a male-dominated society looks like. It isn’t pretty. The top-ranked men have multiple wives and the low-ranked men either have no access to women, or they have sex with captured slaves.

>While I’m being politically incorrect, let me describe to you the mind of a teenage boy. Our frontal lobes aren’t complete. We don’t imagine the future. Our bodies want sex more than we want to stay alive. Literally. Lonely boys tend to be suicidal when the odds of future female companionship are low.

>So if you are wondering how men become cold-blooded killers, it isn’t religion that is doing it. If you put me in that situation, I can say with confidence I would sign up for suicide bomb duty. And I’m not even a believer. Men like hugging better than they like killing. But if you take away my access to hugging, I will probably start killing, just to feel something. I’m designed that way. I’m a normal boy. And I make no apology for it.

I refuse to believe a woman can be happy in such an arrangement.

Women are not happy in any arrangement. Haven't you seen the divorce statistics, the breakups rates, etc.? Women's happiness is secondary to more important things.

>DAESH

You've missed some memes goy.
Memes are memes though, yet Latin America in its current current state is exact result of giving soldiers females they conquered.
>be conquistador
>no women sent to you from homeland, have to settle for native ones you caught in jungle
>your descendants is nothing like you, just a extremely violent low IQ mongrel race
To think about it, Islam has genius design as a religion of conquest.
>top of society takes all the bitches
>cannon fodder gets their foreskins removed so they cant even jerk off properly and told that Allah will give them 72 bitches in afterlife if they die fighting infidel
>literally getting swarm of combat bio-drones with no fear of death
They used to be very formidable, but never created truly stable prosperous society. In the end monogamous society of the West advanced enough to gain military technology moslems cant match, but now after west discarded their monogamous system they are becoming threat again.

Awesome, thanks for the reply. I will look into that, you made a good point.

Excuse double post, but that meme has me laughing already. LOL

Ever noticed how every polygamous society rejects alcohol? Muslims, Mormons, Amish etc. Yeah, fuck that.

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With 2 wives they can tell each other their stupid stories

In nature one male gets a whole pack of females. Maybe 15-20% of entire world population of males gets all the females.
If unchecked it happens with human as well. In human civilization that means 85% of males have no stake in maintaining, defending, improving said civilization and its doomed to eventually fail. Not only that but they will be so resentful they will actively work to destroy it.

There is a reason why marriage system (1 male 1 female) was developed. Now every man has something to fight for. That type of system brings in all the males into society. Maximum productivity is also achieved and they thrive. Destroy that core and everything starts to fall apart.

Polygyny

Technically I am
>tfw boss forced me to get married in PNG to a native girl when I was 18
>got married in Australia at 23
>PNG local government has the paperwork
>they could bring it out at any time and fuck up my actual marriage

Wrong. It was instituted so that property couldn't be passed down. If a couple lost their children due to infant death or a barren woman, once they're dead that property goes to the church. If he has more women he has more children to keep the land and fight for it.

rich guys are fucking your girl on the side already.

>If he has more women he has more children to keep the land and fight for it
And more men who want to kill him and take women for themselves like it happens in nature. And unlike in nature, since invention of spear and bow these men will generally be very successful regardless of how alpha he is.

No, she isn't hot enough. It's just lower and middle class guys, just like your girl too.

You've made some good comments in this thread. What are your insights as far as solutions and the right way?

Bill Henrickson was a good man

Traditional European way of life (that was monogamous even before Christianity as far as i know) came to be as most stable and effective system, and it'll come to be again eventually even if current system collapses (and it will collapse I think, not that it's bad outcome compared to establishing of full jewish NWO). Affinity of Europeans towards more monogamous society probably comes from them being most capable race of all, and thus hardest to subjugate and dominate - some prominent negro or arab may beat his lessers into submission and take all women, but try to pull that off with whites and you'll get enemies who may be weak but smart enough to take you down one way or another (not to mention them uniting against you).

I think the time for polygamy has come. Monogamy may be the most stable, but the majority of men should not be in a position to pass on their 'values' to children.

Beta nu-male fags will end up breeding because principled alpha males will limit themselves to one wife. Principled, God fearing men should take on more women, if they are mature enough and able to shoulder the responsibility.

Thanks for the reply, you raise a lot of interesting points man. Much appreciated.

WHO ARE YOU FAGGOTS THAT ARE SAYING THIS IS WRONG.

EVERY WHITE MAN SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO OWN MULTIPLE WHITE WOMEN. THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT WHITE MALE APPROVAL.

THINK OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WAS BUILT. IT WAS BUILT BY STRONG WHITE MEN.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. IF WHITE MEN BECAME THE LEADERS OF AMERICA AGAIN AND WHITE WOMEN DIDN'T HAVE POWER, WE WOULD BE AMAZING AS A COUNTRY.

GO FUCK YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT POLYGAMY FOR WHITE MEN.

Only a faggot could live with 3 women. Women are parasites. End of story.

>EVERY WHITE MAN SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO OWN MULTIPLE WHITE WOMEN
So how's this supposed to work knowing that there are roughly equal amounts of males and females in population?

A real man should be able to provide for a big family and he should be able to take care of his wives.

Only numales think having a dog is enough responsibility when your a man. YOU NEED TO FUCKING BREED

Too many of those males are worthless. Cucks, trannies, traitors in general... they deserve nothing.